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    Judge Orders New Jersey to Recognize Same Sex Marriage

    In a well reasoned opinion, a New Jersey State court judge ordered the state to begin to recognize same sex marriages. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_4004723.html She ruled that the Windsor case, which struck down DOMA, granted federal benefits to same sex married couples that New Jersey residents with Civil Unions could not obtain. Therefore, same sex married couples in New Jersey were not receiving equal treatment as heterosexual married couples, in violation of an earlier NJ State Supreme Court case.

    It's unfortunate that Governor Fat Fuck vetoed the same sex marriage legislation that the state legislature passed. Republicans continue to be on the wrong side of history on every issue.

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    NJ Judge Orders Statewide Marriage Equality!

    This is huge, guys!

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    A New Jersey state court judge ruled that the state must permit same-sex couples to get married.

    The ruling comes in a lawsuit brought by six same-sex couples and their children. They argued that it's unfair treatment to allow them to only enter into civil unions, now that the Supreme Court has decided the federal government must recognize same-sex marriages in the states where they are legal.

    "This news is thrilling. We argued that limiting lesbians and gay men to civil union is unfair and unconstitutional, and now the Court has agreed, Hayley Gorenberg, Lambda Legal deputy legal director, said in a statement. The organization advocated on behalf of the Garden State Equality organization and six same-sex couples.
    Marriage begins in New Jersey on Oct. 21.

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    Christie's a fool for vowing to appeal. Didn't the state Supreme Court already order that same-sex couples had to get all the same privileges and benefits that opposite-sex couples get? So long as gays are stuck with civil unions, that order is made void -- so the conclusion is a slam-dunk: civil unions have to become marriages.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Judge Orders New Jersey to Recognize Same Sex Marriage

    good beginning!!

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    Re: NJ Judge Orders Statewide Marriage Equality!

    ......and they will appeal............fuckers.

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    Let them. If Christie doesn't want to be elected for anything ever again, that's his decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85
    IN YOUR FACE, CHRIS CHRISTIE!
    anything you throw in his face he will eat ---but deep below his fat you will find a heart and I don't believe he is really anti marriage but as another northeast republican who wants to be president---fatso has to take this stand---with the scary morons running the party if he were to get the presidential nomination--I'd eat pussy.

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    The only reason Christie is making a stink about it is to appeal to his base. He's thinking only of his political career, nothing else. Who cares if he damages lives, just as long as his career thrives.

    It's great to see judges are doing the work the elected republicans are supposed to be doing.

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    The legislature had a chance to do the right thing and failed. Now we see Christie simply delaying the inevitable.
    I hope the legislature simply overides his veto but if they don't,the courts will do it for them and without the religious protections AKA we want to discrimimate and get punished for it language put in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    The legislature had a chance to do the right thing and failed. Now we see Christie simply delaying the inevitable.
    I hope the legislature simply overides his veto but if they don't,the courts will do it for them and without the religious protections AKA we want to discrimimate and get punished for it language put in.
    Any legislator with a sense of duty would vote to override now that this court has stated the obvious, if only to save the people the cost of Christie's shenanigans.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: NJ Judge Orders Statewide Marriage Equality!

    Quote Originally Posted by nycguydowntown View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85
    IN YOUR FACE, CHRIS CHRISTIE!
    anything you throw in his face he will eat ---but deep below his fat you will find a heart and I don't believe he is really anti marriage but as another northeast republican who wants to be president---fatso has to take this stand---with the scary morons running the party if he were to get the presidential nomination--I'd eat pussy.
    The reason I am not sure I agree with this assessment is that he is already hated by the fundamentalists for supporting Obama during the hurricane. The social neanderthals are already against him. So why should he still be a douche on marriage if he doesn't actually just think that way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by palemale View Post
    Republicans continue to be on the wrong side of history on every issue.
    This fact has amazed me for many years.

    They were on the wrong side of civil rights, social security, and Medicare. Their economic policies have twice lead the USA into great depressions.

    They have embraced torture and the imprisonment of people forever without charge or trial. They have fabricated lies to support the initiation of illegal wars.

    They oppose the scientific process and reason and scholarship in general. They oppose feeding the poor. They oppose treating the sick. They oppose gay rights. They oppose voting by poor and immigrant citizens. They oppose the separation of church and state. They object to saving the planet for all mankind because it might inconvenience a tiny number of very rich people a little bit.

    You would think that Republicans would have to be right at least occasionally, just by random chance. But, they are wrong about everything, and have been for decades.

    The most positive things one can generally say about a society - benevolence, compassion, sympathy, generosity, tolerance, inclusion - Republicans pride themselves on rejecting. It is spectacular folly.

    I don't understand how that party survives.


    Quote Originally Posted by nycguydowntown View Post
    I don't believe he is really anti marriage but as another northeast republican who wants to be president---fatso has to take this stand---with the scary morons running the party
    I'm not sure it is possible to know what is in the heart of Christie.

    We formerly had a poster here in CE&P who claimed to support Mitt Romney because he was sure that Romney was lying about his hatred of gays, and would change his position entirely, once elected (despite extraordinary evidence to the contrary). That always struck me as humorous - to support a candidate because you believe he is lying about himself and plans to do a bait and switch on the voters, once he is in office.

    It emphasizes certain problems within the Republican Party, however. What does it say of a party whose leaders cannot get nominated without pretending to be one person, then cannot get elected without pretending to be another? Don't voters deserve the truth? What is wrong with that party that dishonesty is necessary in order to "succeed?"

    And, if Christie is not the homophobe he claims to be, what does it say of a man who would deny tens of thousands of citizens fundamental human rights in order to advance himself?

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    ^ Nailed it. Well stated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    And, if Christie is not the homophobe he claims to be, what does it say of a man who would deny tens of thousands of citizens fundamental human rights in order to advance himself?
    But once he gets elected then he can switch....


    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    But once he gets elected then he can switch....

    I think they all call it 'evolving'

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    Christie isn't the only one that's used our marriage rights for political purposes.
    When all is said and done and we have marriage equality,don't praise the Senate majority leader Stephen Sweeney in any way.
    He and the Democrats had a chance to pass marriage equality in 09 while Corzine was still in office and chose not to.
    Keep in mind by that time it was becoming more and more obvious the promises of civil unions being equal to marriage was a big fat lie.
    And yet,he and the others did nothing to stop it.
    THere are no clean hands in this. If they want to make it right,they will override Christie's veto.
    If nothing else,there is no way the weak defense the state gave is going to stand up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    They were on the wrong side of civil rights, social security, and Medicare. Their economic policies have twice lead the USA into great depressions.
    Close but not exactly on civil rights. The Dems were more opposed to that at the time. The "solid south" of white supremacist led governments was mostly Dems (George Wallace, Lester Maddox, etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotatlboi View Post
    Close but not exactly on civil rights. The Dems were more opposed to that at the time. The "solid south" of white supremacist led governments was mostly Dems (George Wallace, Lester Maddox, etc).
    And Republican Eisenhower was the president who used federal troops to enforce civil rights.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotatlboi View Post
    Close but not exactly on civil rights. The Dems were more opposed to that at the time. The "solid south" of white supremacist led governments was mostly Dems (George Wallace, Lester Maddox, etc).
    It's true that the local politicians were largely Democrats, initially. But, nationally, the civil rights movement was a Democratic Party phenomenon which was aggressively opposed by Republicans. After the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the "solid south" became solidly Republican and many of those local Democratic politicians changed parties so that they might practice their bigotry in peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    It's true that the local politicians were largely Democrats, initially. But, nationally, the civil rights movement was a Democratic Party phenomenon which was aggressively opposed by Republicans. After the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the "solid south" became solidly Republican and many of those local Democratic politicians changed parties so that they might practice their bigotry in peace.
    Sorry but that statement is utter bullshit. Civil rights enjoyed a 80 to 82 percent margin of favor-ability in republican ranks.

    By party[edit source]
    The original House version:[16]
    Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
    Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

    Cloture in the Senate:[17]
    Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
    Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

    The Senate version:[16]
    Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
    Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

    The Senate version, voted on by the House:[16]
    Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
    Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

    By party and region[edit source]
    Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

    The original House version:
    Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
    Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
    Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
    Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

    The Senate version:
    Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
    Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
    Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Sorry but that statement is utter bullshit. Civil rights enjoyed a 80 to 82 percent margin of favor-ability in republican ranks.
    Thanks for doing that so tidily.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Here's hoping the veto is overriden.
    Also,as others have stated,there were many Republicans who were for the Civil Rights Act while Democrats were opposed to it. Once it passed,most of them left to join the Republican party we know today.
    One final thing,gay marriage will be legal in MA for a decade by this time next year. SOmething Mitt Romney did his best to stop and block once it happened.
    Looking back at the history of that,there is no doubt if he had been elected when DOMA was overturned,he would have done everything he could to make it as difficult as possible for us.

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    I disagree. I am fairly certain he would have let it go. He never truly cared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Christie's a fool for vowing to appeal. Didn't the state Supreme Court already order that same-sex couples had to get all the same privileges and benefits that opposite-sex couples get? So long as gays are stuck with civil unions, that order is made void -- so the conclusion is a slam-dunk: civil unions have to become marriages.
    Yes, in Lewis v. Harris (2006).

    The decision was mandatory on Judge Jacobson, and since there were no disputed material facts, there was no reasonable ruling but summary judgment.

    Trial courts in New Jersey cannot stay summary judgments, so we will have to see in the next three weeks if there will be one.

    I have a friend on the board of Garden State Equality and he is also an attorney in New Jersey. His opinion is that there will be a very high bar for Christie in order to get a stay. He must show a likelihood to succeed on the merits, public interest, and public harm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    The legislature had a chance to do the right thing and failed. Now we see Christie simply delaying the inevitable.
    I hope the legislature simply overides his veto but if they don't,the courts will do it for them and without the religious protections AKA we want to discrimimate and get punished for it language put in.
    The legislature did do what was right; the veto override is still pending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Sorry but that statement is utter bullshit. Civil rights enjoyed a 80 to 82 percent margin of favor-ability in republican ranks.
    The vote does not accurately reflect the story of the civil rights movement in America.

    Civil rights became a Democratic Party movement officially during the 1948 Democratic National Convention, when Hubert Humphrey called on the party to "get out of the shadow of states' rights and walk forthrightly into the bright sunshine of human rights." That famously caused the southern Democrats to walk out of the convention in disgust, and ripped the Democratic Party in two: northern Democrats and "Dixiecrats."

    The Dixiecrats were Democrats on paper, but vehemently opposed the party's embracing of the civil rights movement. They voted against their party on civil rights issues, including the Civil Rights Act of 1964. While it is certainly true that the Dixiecrats were Democrats, they were Democrats who rejected their own party's official platform and ideals. Robert Byrd - a Democrat - famously filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964. But he did so without the support of his own party. Byrd even founded a chapter of the KKK in West Virginia. But that does not mean he had his party's support in this endeavor.

    Nixon exploited the rift in the Democratic Party with his famous "southern strategy." By appealing to southern racism - and opposing civil rights - Republicans managed to turn a solidly Democratic south into a solidly Republican south. The Republican Party platform officially supported the civil rights movement in 1960. By 1964, all language of civil rights was stripped from the party platform. The subject is not mentioned in the Republican platform of 1964! That's almost unbelievable. It was the height of the civil rights movement which was ripping America apart, and Republicans could not bring themselves to say they supported it. Similarly, in 1968, there is no mention of civil rights in the Republican Party platform.

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    It is not an accident that Republicans somehow failed to mention the most significant domestic issue of the 20th century in their platforms after 1960. After 1960, the Republican Party increasingly attempted to divorce itself from the civil rights movement in order to appeal to southern sympathies.

    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was called for by president Kennedy in his speech of June 11, 1963. It was written by a committee headed by Robert Kennedy. It was implemented by president Johnson. While the bill enjoyed considerable bipartisan support, it was most definitely a Democratic bill. And, after 1964, it was a bill from which Republicans increasingly tried to separate themselves.

    If you had walked into the home of a black family in the 1960s, it would have been very common to see a portrait of president Kennedy hanging on the wall of that home. They knew who were their friends. And it was not the Republican Party.
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    Just as a matter of interest, when Humphrey invoked human rights, he meant as part of it the Second Amendment individual right of ownership and use of firearms.

    If liberals today would just go back to that, the Republicans would lose the House next time without doubt.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Christie is asking for the Supreme Court to issue a ruling quickly. I wonder why that is

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    Christie is asking for the Supreme Court to issue a ruling quickly. I wonder why that is
    He wants to look bold?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    I meant he wants it over with ASAP lol

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    The only question about marriage equality in NJ is what number they will be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Just as a matter of interest, when Humphrey invoked human rights, he meant as part of it the Second Amendment individual right of ownership and use of firearms.
    Good grief, Kuli. Everything is guns with you and every turn of American history is proof that no power on earth may ever stop you from threatening to shoot people.


    Here is the speech:




    Here is the text of the speech:

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    This speech is historically credited with the start the civil rights movement in America. It does not mention the word "gun" even once or refer even vaguely to the second amendment. The southern delegates did not walk out of the convention because they were so vehemently anti-gun.

    all people -- get this -- all people, white and black, all groups, all racial groups have been the victims at time[s] in this nation of -- let me say -- vicious discrimination.
    He did not proclaim that all the white, or the black, or the red, or the yellow men are equal; that all Christian or Jewish men are equal; that all Protestant and Catholic men are equal; that all rich and poor men are equal; that all good and bad men are equal. What he declared was that all men are equal; and the equality which he proclaimed was the equality in the right to enjoy the blessings of free government in which they may participate and to which they have given their support.
    My friends, to those who say that we are rushing this issue of civil rights, I say to them we are 172 years late. To those who say that this civil-rights program is an infringement on states’ rights, I say this: The time has arrived in America for the Democratic Party to get out of the shadow of states' rights and to walk forthrightly into the bright sunshine of human rights.

    Get a grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    The only question about marriage equality in NJ is what number they will be.
    New Mexico has started granting legal marriages in those counties with court orders. If they stand, then New Mexico stays as #14

    If there is no stay in GSE v. Dow, then New Jersey will become #15

    Hawaii is going to follow as #16 in the first week of November

    Illinois if they go for absolute passage will become #17

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    Good grief, Kuli. Everything is guns with you and every turn of American history is proof that no power on earth may ever stop you from threatening to shoot people.
    Just reminding today's liberals that they have betrayed true liberalism.

    And all you can do is lie.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Just reminding today's liberals that they have betrayed true liberalism.

    And all you can do is lie.
    And that has what to do with this thread?

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