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    Re: West Hollywood bans sales of fur clothing -- what's next??

    Thanks to the members who reported this thread and provided other personal messages. I looked it over earlier today and concluded to close it until I had more time to enhance my understanding of the reported problems.

    I will add several additional posts here to explain some of my observations and perhaps open a new discussion, as requisite.

    The thread will remain closed, until further notice.

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    City Information

    Land Area: Less than 2 square miles (about one thousandth of one percent of the state)

    Population: 35,000 (less than one tenth of one percent of the state) Population ranks 220 out of 481 cities in the state.

    Race: Predominately Caucasian

    Language: Significant presence of Russian-speaking immigrants (13.6%)

    Age of Residents: Mostly adult (half are 25 to 44); very few children; significant gay male population (40 percent or more)

    Religion: About half the population is religious, with Catholic being the dominant affiliation.

    Education: Well educated; almost all have a high school degree

    Median Income: $52,000

    Quality of Life: Almost all residents report satisfaction with their community and job.

    Health: Notably low rates of adult obesity and chronic diseases, such as coronary heart disease. The city is experiencing a decreasing rate of AIDS diagnoses, after being ravaged by the disease since the 1980s.

    Politics: First city in US with majority gay representation on its city council. 86% of residents voted against Prop 8. Is part of California’s 30th congressional district, which has a Cook Partisan Voting Index (PVI) of D+20. The city refers to pet “owners” as pet “guardians” in its municipal codes and outlaws the declawing of cats.


    West Hollywood Municipal Code

    9.51.020 Sale of fur products.

    b. Prohibition. It shall be unlawful to sell, import, export, trade, or distribute any fur product by any means anywhere within the City of West Hollywood on or after September 21, 2013.

    c. Exemption. This section shall not apply to the sale, importation, exportation, trade or distribution of:

    1. Fur products by a non-profit organization; or
    2. The pelt or skin of an animal that is preserved through taxidermy or for the purpose of taxidermy; or
    3. Used fur products by a private party (excluding a retail transaction), nonprofit organization or second-hand store, including a pawn shop.

    (Ord. 11-877 § 1, 2011)


    United States Code

    TITLE 19 / CHAPTER 4 / SUBTITLE II / Part I

    §1308. Prohibition on importation of dog and cat fur products

    (b) Prohibitions

    (1) In general
    It shall be unlawful for any person to-

    (A) import into, or export from, the United States any dog or cat fur product; or
    (B) introduce into interstate commerce, manufacture for introduction into interstate commerce, sell, trade, or advertise in interstate commerce, offer to sell, or transport or distribute in interstate commerce in the United States, any dog or cat fur product.

    (2) Exception
    This subsection shall not apply to the importation, exportation, or transportation, for noncommercial purposes, of a personal pet that is deceased, including a pet preserved through taxidermy.

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    Re: West Hollywood bans sales of fur clothing -- what's next??

    Thread Assessment and Timeline

    This thread was posted at what is typically an inactive time of day in the forum – nearly midnight on the west coast and approaching 3 AM on the east coast (USA).

    The primary focus of the opening post appears to relate criticism of the entities involved in passing an ordinance in a small California city and to make use of sarcasm in an apparent attempt to denigrate or ridicule gay people and their social or sexual activities, the Democratic Party, some Liberals, and perhaps the Trevor Project as well. Some of the statements presented in the opening post are true, while others are either wholly or partially false.

    The topic is presented as an Opinion-Editorial and does not appear to solicit any particular response or feedback from other members. It does appear intended, in a roundabout way, to contrast the ban on the sale of fur products with other pertinent interests of the city – most notably its upscale commercial business enterprises and persons employed by those firms.

    Ten hours later the thread had accumulated 17 additional posts. To that point in time, the posts were largely unremarkable, though several included interpersonal, random, or non-substantive remarks. One also appears to expand a disagreement from one or more unrelated discussions.

    At around 10 hours, the original poster added an additional post, which consisted of a list of satirical statements that purport to describe “The Difference between a Liberal and a Conservative,” which was then followed by a succession of several other posts arguing some of the points in the opening post and suggesting that the city ordinance be expanded to also ban leather products and consumption of food products containing meat. The original poster further proposed that the death penalty for humans might be more humane than a prolonged period of incarceration, particularly when compared to the inhumane practice of slaughtering animals for human consumption. Also within that hour, another member posted a video without any explanation or clear connection to the topic of discussion.

    Before the 12-hour mark, a member quoted the list of satirical statements from a couple hours earlier and challenged the original poster’s motives. This member noted that the list had been posted previously and insinuated that the topic of the city’s ban against the sale of fur products, as introduced in the opening post, was functioning merely as a guise to enable the original poster to bait other members on matters of general political ideology. Another member also challenged the originality of the satirical list and noted that it may be protected by copyright. The original poster continued to participate in the thread, but did not acknowledge or respond to these challenges.

    Shortly after the 12-hour mark, one member posted a direct personal insult against the original poster. Another member posted a different list of satirical statements similar to the originally posted list, but championing the opposing viewpoint. During the 12th hour, the original poster engaged several different members on specific and general points, including remarks about race that were quite obviously precipitated by the direct personal insult previously directed toward him.

    Having accumulated 49 posts, the thread was closed shortly before the 13-hour mark – due at least in part to the fact that it had devolved into little more than interpersonal remarks entirely unrelated to the topic introduced in the opening post or any reasonable variation from that theme.

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