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    Re: Warming Plateau? Climatologists Face Inconvenient Truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    I projected your nasty words back to you. You come across always hateful to me.

    Science is not a voting issue. Scientists have taken a vote on global warming -- that's not science.
    No, scientists haven't "taken a vote" -- they're just doing science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The point is you don't vote on science. Global warming is based on guessing temperatures of the past and projections for the future, the projections were way off and no one wants to admit that.
    SO you really don't know what science is about.

    I've done some of those calculating of past temperatures -- it's got very little to do with guessing, in fact it's a pain-in-the-ass level of detail and careful adherence to everything we know about chemistry and meteorology and quite a bit of biology as well.

    If you'd bothered to read (do you ever read?) the articles linked here, you'd be aware that "no one wants to admit that" is a bald-faced lie: the whole point is that they have admitted it, because that's what the data says. The problem is that the ignorant, once again, will twist things according to some agenda other than science and make that data mean something it doesn't.

    See, what that data doesn't mean is that the planet has stopped warming up. The conditions bringing on warming haven't changed, and that means that warming hasn't changed. What the data does mean is that the heat is going somewhere no one had thought of -- and that's what makes this fun! because it could be warming the ocean depths, or increasing the rate of photosynthesis, or heating deserts farther down into the soil, or... something no one has thought of yet.

    That's what science is about: it sees this plateau in the temperature of the atmosphere, and -- knowing that the heating is still going on -- starts looking to find what changed. Maybe the planet has a mechanism we haven't even imagined that will give us more time to deal with our behavior -- or OTOH, maybe the heat has started going somewhere that's going to cause problems we haven't imagined yet.

    What science isn't about is saying, "See, I told you you were wrong!" That's just juvenile games.

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    ^^

    So to you science is political. All opinion.
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    Re: Warming Plateau? Climatologists Face Inconvenient Truth

    ^ You didn't study science in school, did you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    So to you science is political. All opinion.
    Jack do you know what happens when sea levels rise and more non-ice water is absorbing sunlight?

    Yes or no..?

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    Why do you ask questions to which you already know the answer? Jack is currently opposed to science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    So to you science is political. All opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    So to you science is political. All opinion.
    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    ^ You didn't study science in school, did you?
    Good question. He doesn't understand math, he has no clue what science is....

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    Well, at least I know the difference between science and faith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Well, at least I know the difference between science and faith.
    It's a good thing you caught wind of this before the international community of scientific experts made a critical mistake in their conclusions that you caught for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Well, at least I know the difference between science and faith.
    Scientifically speaking....

    no, you don't, because that would require understanding science -- and the evidence says you don't.

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    The evidence is that there has not been global warming for over a decade and a half. Your evidence is predictions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The evidence is that there has not been global warming for over a decade and a half. Your evidence is predictions.
    This report is much more persuasive even, enlightening providing the unbiased observer with sufficient information to contradict your assertions:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...e-8843573.html


    IPCC report: Scientists are 95% certain humans are responsible for climate change

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    This reader's comment from the captioned "The Independent" report on climate change is pertinent to Jack's predictable denials:

    I have never agreed with the term "climate sceptics". "Climate deniers" is a better definition. Testing the reliability of claims by subjecting them to investigation using the scientific method isn't usually their forte. Denying the prevailing science is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    This report is much more persuasive even, enlightening providing the unbiased observer with sufficient information to contradict your assertions:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...e-8843573.html
    Is it 95% of certainty because of science or politics? It appears it's politics from reading the article -- just saying it's science doesn't make it science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Is it 95% of certainty because of science or politics? It appears it's politics from reading the article -- just saying it's science doesn't make it science.
    Science.

    Moving on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The evidence is that there has not been global warming for over a decade and a half. Your evidence is predictions.
    There is no such evidence.

    The evidence is that the same conditions that have been increasing the atmospheric temperature are still in place. Thus, the earth is still gaining in temperature.

    This is no different than having sun streaming in your kitchen window, a tea kettle simmering on the stove, and the refrigerator running, but all of a sudden the air temperature in the room stops rising. No one with gray matter upstairs would conclude that 'warming' had ended, because those three sources of heat are still doing their thing.

    In both cases, a scientist would ask, "Where is the heat going?"

    We are still getting insolation, still generating heat with all our machines, still cooking away fuel-burning power plants, still sailing nuclear-powered vessels, and all the other things we humans as a society do. Even apart from any greenhouse effect, it's a fact that humans are continuing to heat the atmosphere. But suddenly that heat isn't making the atmosphere warmer -- so a sensible person asks, "Where is the heat going?"

    All the projections were, were graphs of what the atmosphere would do if the heat kept warming the atmosphere. They weren't statements about how much warmer the earth was getting, they were projections of what things would look like if things kept on as they were. As projections, they are fact, just as much as a projection that if a driver stays on I-80 he's going to hit Salt Lake City. The thing you aren't getting is that little word "if", which scientists know is always there in a projection so they don't bother to say it. In the case of the driver, if it happens he doesn't hit Salt Lake City, then we know that he didn't stay on I-80 but turned off somewhere; in the case of global warming, since the temperature didn't hit the atmosphere, we know that it "turned off" somewhere, too.

    Maybe space gypsies are siphoning it off to power their star-wagons...

    but the heat is still coming, and it's going somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Is it 95% of certainty because of science or politics? It appears it's politics from reading the article -- just saying it's science doesn't make it science.
    Just what in the article makes you think it's about politics? It's very clear that it's science -- the only involvement with politics is that politicians are talking about the science.

    If you can get from that article that it's about politics, then Christianity is just politics, highways are just politics, clean water is just politics.

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    The IPCC report has just been published and the science is unequivocal. But will politics do it justice? It’s not at all clear, and there is much cause for pessimism. The power grab by the neoliberal elite of our democratic institutions means that severe constraints will be imposed on policy options to combat climate change. Corporations also cannot be expected to the right thing for even when it comes to a far less complex issue such as paying their taxes, they will do everything in their power to evade them.
    Nature and its natural resources are capitalism’s free lunch. It takes the profit and walks away from the externalities, leaving the rest of us with the consequences.
    It is time for change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The evidence is that there has not been global warming for over a decade and a half. Your evidence is predictions.
    In the last decade and a half, the polar icecaps have been melting at an unprecedented rate. They are melting. You can watch videos and see pictures of it happening before your very eyes. How do you deny global warming exists when this phenomena is so visibly proved? You don't have to believe the overwhelming science. You can see it with your own damn eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EastMed View Post
    The IPCC report has just been published and the science is unequivocal. But will politics do it justice? It’s not at all clear, and there is much cause for pessimism. The power grab by the neoliberal elite of our democratic institutions means that severe constraints will be imposed on policy options to combat climate change. Corporations also cannot be expected to the right thing for even when it comes to a far less complex issue such as paying their taxes, they will do everything in their power to evade them.
    Nature and its natural resources are capitalism’s free lunch. It takes the profit and walks away from the externalities, leaving the rest of us with the consequences.
    It is time for change.
    I planted fourteen new pine trees yesterday. By Thanksgiving, I plan to plant at least five times more.

    A guy I met out once when planting trees couldn't figure out why I was doing it, since there was no profit.
    Unfortunately, he didn't recognize the insult of being called a Ferengi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    In the last decade and a half, the polar icecaps have been melting at an unprecedented rate. They are melting. You can watch videos and see pictures of it happening before your very eyes. How do you deny global warming exists when this phenomena is so visibly proved? You don't have to believe the overwhelming science. You can see it with your own damn eyes.
    Jack doesn't understand science, so it's pointless to try to talk to him about this. If it doesn't fit with his view, it can't be evidence; if there's evidence that contradicts his view, he just points at something else and calls it evidence, even when it isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    In the last decade and a half, the polar icecaps have been melting at an unprecedented rate. They are melting. You can watch videos and see pictures of it happening before your very eyes. How do you deny global warming exists when this phenomena is so visibly proved? You don't have to believe the overwhelming science. You can see it with your own damn eyes.
    Wine country is shifting north, as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Wine country is shifting north, as well.
    Quite nicely, too.

    I've also noticed that out in the woods we have species popping up that have never been seen here before, some as far as five hundred miles outside their accepted range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Quite nicely, too.

    I've also noticed that out in the woods we have species popping up that have never been seen here before, some as far as five hundred miles outside their accepted range.
    I'm sure it's all just natural cycles.

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    I'm not rushing to defend Jack, but...while I'm inclined to believe the science, there's no arguing/denying 'global warming' has been a massive financial gain/industry for some people/industries/corporations (cough, Al Gore), and will continue to generate income for talking heads. Which is mostly why I do not donate or volunteer with environmental organizations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callum View Post
    I'm not rushing to defend Jack, but...while I'm inclined to believe the science, there's no arguing/denying 'global warming' has been a massive financial gain/industry for some people/industries/corporations (cough, Al Gore), and will continue to generate income for talking heads. Which is mostly why I do not donate or volunteer with environmental organizations.
    Of course it has. Anything that happens will enable someone to profit, and any maor issue will be pounced on by those with power as another tool to manipulate the flow of events.

    Don't volunteer, huh? I think my Friends of Bayocean qualifies as environmental, because we're trying to increase native species and their diversity and fight invasive ones. But it's the sort you might enjoy volunteering for, I bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Jack doesn't understand science, so it's pointless to try to talk to him about this. If it doesn't fit with his view, it can't be evidence; if there's evidence that contradicts his view, he just points at something else and calls it evidence, even when it isn't.
    You're talking about yourself. There's evidence that contradicts your POV but you fail to accept it.
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    Regardless if global warming will happen or not,
    human animal does not have the right to over populate and pollute the planet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You're talking about yourself. There's evidence that contradicts your POV but you fail to accept it.
    If that is true, you did not provide any corroboration of it. The article you linked does not support a position of either the science is mixed or that global warming is a political issue only and not a scientific one. You're just here saying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You're talking about yourself. There's evidence that contradicts your POV but you fail to accept it.
    It's impossible to contradict my point of view on this, because my point of view is nothing but the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    Regardless if global warming will happen or not,
    human animal does not have the right to over populate and pollute the planet.


    "Will happen"? It's been happening for several centuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    Regardless if global warming will happen or not,
    human animal does not have the right to over populate and pollute the planet.
    Rights don't exist in the natural world. Since we have overpopulated and polluted the planet, we have "the right" to it, sad as that is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You're talking about yourself. There's evidence that contradicts your POV but you fail to accept it.
    You are trying to be confrontational, but I am about 87% certain you know you got nothing on this one. The entire world agrees on global warming, EXCEPT for social conservative Republicans and other morons who don't believe in facts.

    Either that, or you ACTUALLY don't know how science works and how it reaches conclusions, which is prettttty sad for you at your age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You're talking about yourself. There's evidence that contradicts your POV but you fail to accept it.
    You didn't answer my statement. I asked you a direct question. The polar ice caps have been proven to be melting. There are thousands of hours of video footage and photos that explicitly shows the ice caps melting. You don't have to believe the statistical findings of the science proving global warming. However, you cannot deny the physical evidence you can see with your own eyes that the polar ice caps are melting at an unprecedented rate due to the fact that the planet is warming.
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    The polar ice caps are growing. Sorry.

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    Springer, you're using the Sean Hannity logic, trying to prove there is no global warming by talking about the blizzard that's going on in January. Did you ignore the chart I posted earlier?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The polar ice caps are growing. Sorry.

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    Tide goes in, tide goes out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The polar ice caps are growing. Sorry.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...edictions.html

    Dana Nuccitelli, who blogs cogently in reaction at The Guardian that the 60 percent increase observed in Arctic ice is "technically true, [but] also largely irrelevant." He has no kind words for the analysis in the Daily Mail (and similar report in The Telegraph), and writes "In short, this year's higher sea ice extent is merely due to the fact that last year's minimum extent was record-shattering, and the weather was not as optimal for sea ice loss this summer. However, the long-term trend is one of rapid Arctic sea ice decline, and research has shown this is mostly due to human-caused global warming." If you want to keep track of the ice yourself, Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis offers frequent updates.
    If you are starting from the lowest amount of ice on record...a 60% increase probably looks like something to the anti-science and math crowd.

    If you want to see pure science...

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    I wonder how much someone has to sift the evidence to find these articles or studies that base their rejection of global warming off something like "we still had winter this year and temperatures dropped."

    Someone doing that would be giving us an excellent demonstration of playing politics and not doing science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Tide goes in, tide goes out.
    But how do you know the tide is going in or out? That's a parallel situation to global warming: waves come higher or lower on the beach, and you can't tell from just one wave, or even just a dozen waves, which way the tide is going. Even when a wave washes up and covers sand that was just dry it doesn't prove the tide is coming in; some waves on an outgoing tide can still sweep up farther than any in the last hour or so. To tell what the tide is doing takes observation and plotting of numerous waves over time, for the reason that wave action is not actually a function of tide but a function of wind far away -- they reach farther or not so far in relation to the tide because the tide is changing the underlying level they operate from.

    The same is true of sea ice and atmospheric temperature, two things the clueless in this thread rely on to "prove" global warming has stopped: they are phenomena which are driven by things other than global warming, but the behavior of which over time will track with and show global warming because the earth system's overall heat content changes the conditions which do drive them. No one picture of the sea ice will tell whether it's growing or shrinking; to tell that, a dozen years taken together may not be enough -- but the clueless don't even want to look at a dozen, just the one that pleases them. And atmospheric temperatures function the same way, because there are other things that affect them besides global warming.

    The problem is that most people don't want to make their heads throb grappling with anything that has more than one variable. They want an equation that says f(x) is ax+b, when in reality it's more like f(x) is f({a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h})... and that's just for the linear parts of the system. Seriously, I think anyone who hasn't dealt with matrix algebra is unlikely to have a handle on the situation.

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    Saying "the tide coming in" is inherently landcentric, too.

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    This:



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    Here's an illustration of the fallacy of basing your understanding of what's happening on just recent activity: if I used the last ten days as a baseline for rainfall where I live, I'd have to forecast a total for the coming year of over 400 inches of rain....

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    Too bad that doesn't show the last twenty years.

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    Hmm, where is Jack?

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    Hmm, where is Jack?
    Getting ready for the coming of the ice sheet?

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    Hmm, where is Jack?
    I'm sure he's been building shelters at Habitat for Humanity, donating blood for the Red Cross, organizing fund raising drives for UNICEF, sorting out donations at Goodwill, writing out checks for Save the Children, ironing uniforms for The Salvation Army and stocking shelves at his local food pantry.

    You know, those lee-bural, socialist tasks.

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    For all that, many scientists reject the conclusion that climate change is caused by humans. http://climatechangereconsidered.org/about-nipcc/
    Liberals want to believe humans cause climate change because it provides an ideology for more regulation of business and regulation of our lives. We need to control everything which effects the environment, and everything effects the environment, so, hey, we get to control everything.

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