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    Warming Plateau? Climatologists Face Inconvenient Truth

    Attached is an article from der Speigel about the fallacy of global warming. It's time for people to realize that they've been lied to regarding the warming and changing climate of the earth.

    The average global temperature hasn't warmed in 15 years .. it's a fact.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-923937.html

    It's all about politics and not science. If you truly believe in science you'll understand.

    Bad science is bad science.

    It will be interesting to find out if the report due this Friday will be honest or political.

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    Re: Warming Plateau? Climatologists Face Inconvenient Truth

    This article is not saying what you believe it is saying, Jack.

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    Re: Warming Plateau? Climatologists Face Inconvenient Truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Attached is an article from der Speigel about the fallacy of global warming. It's time for people to realize that they've been lied to regarding the warming and changing climate of the earth.

    The average global temperature hasn't warmed in 15 years .. it's a fact.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-923937.html

    It's all about politics and not science. If you truly believe in science you'll understand.

    Bad science is bad science.

    It will be interesting to find out if the report due this Friday will be honest or political.
    If you take comfort from only 15 years worth of data, fine. And the rise in subsurface oceanic temperatures is to be discounted?

    In any case, scientists have discovered some possible indications as to why temperatures are not currently rising. One explanation involves the Pacific Ocean, which, calculations indicate, has absorbed an unusually large amount of heat from the Earth's atmosphere in recent years. "If this proves to be true, then the warnings are still in effect," Marotzke says. He explains that it would mean the greenhouse effect is adding more and more energy into the climate system, exactly as the simulations predict, just with a larger portion of that energy than expected disappearing temporarily into the ocean.
    (Your source)

    The articles is about perceptions of fact, not facts.

    (Nice job of well-poisoning in your last sentence.)

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    Re: Warming Plateau? Climatologists Face Inconvenient Truth

    ^ Yup.

    As soon as I saw that exact segment of the article Palbert I wondered if Jack knows what it means when more of the ocean is absorbing energy from the sun and less of it is in ice form.

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    Re: Warming Plateau? Climatologists Face Inconvenient Truth

    15 years of data is a very small sample. Here is over 100 years.



    You can defend your thesis saying it's getting cooler now, not hotter. Last month it was 95 degrees but now it's 50.

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    Re: Warming Plateau? Climatologists Face Inconvenient Truth

    It's 48F, 9C here now at 10:15 pm. Earth is cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    It's 48F, 9C here now at 10:15 pm. Earth is cool.
    That debunks all this global warming nonsense. It was 78 this afternoon and now it's 64 at 9:20pm.

    IT'S A FACT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    That debunks all this global warming nonsense. It was 78 this afternoon and now it's 64 at 9:20pm.

    IT'S A FACT.
    When I was out today I saw that Frenchmans Bay was as usual. No warming here.

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    Re: Warming Plateau? Climatologists Face Inconvenient Truth

    http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/safety_climate.aspx

    When even the oil industry has abandoned the deniers....
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    Re: Warming Plateau? Climatologists Face Inconvenient Truth

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    When I was out today I saw that Frenchmans Bay was as usual. No warming here.
    What, no hurricane?

    Obviously no global warming.

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    Re: Warming Plateau? Climatologists Face Inconvenient Truth

    An obviously impugnable, inaccurate, biased, political and just plain wrong source.

    (What did they say?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    What, no hurricane?

    Obviously no global warming.
    No meteors or earthquakes either?

    Must not have been any homos nearby.

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    Re: Warming Plateau? Climatologists Face Inconvenient Truth

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    An obviously impugnable, inaccurate, biased, political and just plain wrong source.

    (What did they say?)


    Why don't you read it.
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    Re: Warming Plateau? Climatologists Face Inconvenient Truth

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Why don't you read it.
    From your link:

    Our strategy to reduce greenhouse gas emissions is focused on increasing energy efficiency in the short term...... blah blah blah
    How can that be when there isn't any global warming?

    Can't you read the OP's article? It's time for you to realize that you've been lied to regarding the warming and changing climate of the earth.

    IT'S A FACT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Why don't you read it.
    Hyperbole and facetiousness, my son. Are Texas schools not a/c'd? Wait, they need to be heated. Or, are they underwater - hence hotter - like most property?

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    Re: Warming Plateau? Climatologists Face Inconvenient Truth

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    From your link:



    How can that be when there isn't any global warming?

    Can't you read the OP's article? It's time for you to realize that you've been lied to regarding the warming and changing climate of the earth.

    IT'S A FACT.
    Which was the whole damn point of saying"


    ....when EVEN the oil companies have abandoned the deniers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Hyperbole and facetiousness, my son. Are Texas schools not a/c'd?
    Were you supposed to have been facetious or are you saying that I was being facetious?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    ... Were you supposed to have been facetious or are you saying that I was being facetious?
    I'll have a large fries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    I'll have a large fries.
    I don't often speak to climate change deniers, but when I do, I order full service unleaded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I don't often speak to climate change deniers, but when I do, I order full service unleaded.
    Trouble with gas, have you?

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    Re: Warming Plateau? Climatologists Face Inconvenient Truth

    Further proof that global warming is a liberal hoax. Read what these expert scientists say:

    http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/20..._stop_the_left

    http://disinfo.com/2009/10/hannity-s...lobal-warming/

    http://www.lauraingraham.com/b/LAT:-...290209128.html

    http://www.glennbeck.com/content/art...cle/198/34222/


    It's time for people to realize that they've been lied to regarding the warming and changing climate of the earth. It's all about politics and not science. If you truly believe these award winning scientists you'll understand.

    IT'S A FACT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Further proof that global warming is a liberal hoax. Read what these expert scientists say:

    http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/20..._stop_the_left

    http://disinfo.com/2009/10/hannity-s...lobal-warming/

    http://www.lauraingraham.com/b/LAT:-...290209128.html

    http://www.glennbeck.com/content/art...cle/198/34222/


    It's time for people to realize that they've been lied to regarding the warming and changing climate of the earth. It's all about politics and not science. If you truly believe these award winning scientists you'll understand.

    IT'S A FACT.
    If it's not on FOX it's not true. Or possible.

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    I want it to be warmer here NOW. I don't want to wait any fifty years for another few degrees!

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    Lol, gotta love it when people hate facts.

    Here is a hint, Jack - in the rest of the world, climate change isn't a political issue, so it's not really a "liberal" lie. Which is why Europe is so far ahead of you guys when it comes to dealing with the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    ... Which is why Europe is so far ahead of you guys when it comes to dealing with the issue.
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    It's fun to look at the different graphs, temperatures from atmosphere and ocean surface, CO2 content in the two hemispheres, and look for the cycles in them. All those cycles combine to give the overall picture -- if we understood them better, we might be able to see plateaus like this coming.

    In a way this is a good thing: when everything goes the way we expect, we don't learn anything new. Variation is an opportunity to learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Hey now, the Borg haven't won my poll JUST YET.
    Change we to "us." I win.

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    Rolyo is bucking to be US (see what I did there)

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Yes I got that I just didn't see how that was particularly relevant in what I suspect was a misunderstanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Rolyo is bucking to be US (see what I did there)

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    Funny you should bring this topic up, Jack Springer. An article was released today showing the certainty within the scientific community that global climate change is happening, and man is responsible for it. There is no 100% certainty in the scientific community, so 95% is considered the gold standard. In fact, scientists are more certain about climate change, than they are on the scientific research of how vitamins are good for your body.

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    What 95% Certainty of Global Warming Means to Scientists

    There's a mismatch between what scientists say about how certain they are and what the general public thinks the experts mean, experts say.

    That is an issue because this week, scientists from around the world have gathered in Stockholm for a meeting of a U.N. panel on climate change, and they will probably issue a report saying it is "extremely likely" - which they define in footnotes as 95 percent certain - that humans are mostly to blame for temperatures that have climbed since 1951.

    One climate scientist involved says the panel may even boost it in some places to "virtually certain" and 99 percent.
    So by denying climate change, you are willfully being ignorant for personal or political motivations which is an injustice to all of us who care about the planet we live on.
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    50F, 10C. No climate warming yet.

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    Well.... all I know for sure is that in about two months it will be cold here....thereby providing irrefutable proof that there is no global warming. This cycle has been going on since I was born and except for all the years where we don't get snow anymore...there has been no change.

    Jack is right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    Funny you should bring this topic up, Jack Springer. An article was released today showing the certainty within the scientific community that global climate change is happening, and man is responsible for it. There is no 100% certainty in the scientific community, so 95% is considered the gold standard. In fact, scientists are more certain about climate change, than they are on the scientific research of how vitamins are good for your body.

    http://www.weather.com/news/science/...tists-20130924


    So by denying climate change, you are willfully being ignorant for personal or political motivations which is an injustice to all of us who care about the planet we live on.
    It appears that you and others here are being ignorant and especially political about global warming.

    You claim to believe in science but not if it doesn't fit your political, personal, and social beliefs -- do you know what that's called -- it's called faith. Faith is not science.

    If you can't accept science then all you have is faith.

    Projections don't equal science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    It appears that you and others here are being ignorant and especially political about global warming.

    You claim to believe in science but not if it doesn't fit your political, personal, and social beliefs -- do you know what that's called -- it's called faith. Faith is not science.

    If you can't accept science then all you have is faith.

    Projections don't equal science.
    Is this your daily talking point? Just curious....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    It appears that you and others here are being ignorant and especially political about global warming.

    You claim to believe in science but not if it doesn't fit your political, personal, and social beliefs -- do you know what that's called -- it's called faith. Faith is not science.

    If you can't accept science then all you have is faith.

    Projections don't equal science.
    I return to my first post.

    The article you linked is not saying what you believe it says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I return to my first post.

    The article you linked is not saying what you believe it says.
    I second that -- for both articles now, his own and the one Just_Believe linked.

    BTW, here's a good snippet from the latter:

    "There's a group of people who seem to think that when scientists say they are uncertain, we shouldn't do anything," said Gray, who was chief scientist for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency during the George W. Bush administration. "That's crazy. We're uncertain and we buy insurance."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    It appears that you and others here are being ignorant and especially political about global warming.

    You claim to believe in science but not if it doesn't fit your political, personal, and social beliefs -- do you know what that's called -- it's called faith. Faith is not science.

    If you can't accept science then all you have is faith.

    Projections don't equal science.
    Wow, speaking of projections, I could take your exact post and post it back to you. That's exactly how you're responding to this critical issue.

    Your post doesn't explain why you think others are being ignorant on this issue. You also do not explain how I am using "faith" for my beliefs and not science. I'm actually citing an article that references specific research to the ongoing problem of global climate change. Again, 95% certainty within the scientific community is considered the gold standard of proof.
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    ^^

    I projected your nasty words back to you. You come across always hateful to me.

    Science is not a voting issue. Scientists have taken a vote on global warming -- that's not science.

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    I think banning the sale of fur materials and clothing is stupid.

    Oh, wrong thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    I projected your nasty words back to you. You come across always hateful to me.

    Science is not a voting issue. Scientists have taken a vote on global warming -- that's not science.
    Actually, "science" is peer review and repeatability, so yeah, it kinda is about voting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    I projected your nasty words back to you. You come across always hateful to me.

    Science is not a voting issue. Scientists have taken a vote on global warming -- that's not science.
    Jack what is even your point? That anything short of 100% consensus (which you will never get on virtually any topic) means that any conclusion is politics and not science?

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    The point is you don't vote on science. Global warming is based on guessing temperatures of the past and projections for the future, the projections were way off and no one wants to admit that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The point is you don't vote on science.
    Exactly.

    So, why do Republicans keep voting on science? You have repealed the facts of evolution, global climate change, and damage from pollution by legislative fiat. You invented your own medicine which requires ultrasounds in order to make abortion "safe," to the objections of doctors.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Global warming is based on guessing temperatures of the past and projections for the future, the projections were way off and no one wants to admit that.
    No, science is not based on "guessing." It is based on evidence, reason, research, and scholarship. I appreciate that you (and the Republican Party) do not believe in these concepts. But, these concepts have been the standard approach to knowledge acquisition in western culture for the past 800 years.

    You are free to look to religious authority for your explanation of the world. But, please do not force your religion on the rest of us by legislation.

    Some of us do not want to return to the 12th century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    I projected your nasty words back to you. You come across always hateful to me.

    Science is not a voting issue. Scientists have taken a vote on global warming -- that's not science.
    I do not hate you, Jack. I call you out on your refusal to engage in a discussion. You consistently ignore legitimate rebuttals against your posts and then claim no one is responding to you. You have an unhealthy obsession against the president, much like the liberal General Alfie had against Bush. I criticized his posts just as much as yours, if you remember. Focus on what is real and substantive. On this issue, science is 95% conclusive on global climate change which is the gold standard of scientific consensus. The article I posted specifically mentions your skepticism and how it does not apply to how science works. Yet your subsequent rebuttals to others here claims that you think you know more about science than scientists know about science. I respectfully disagree, and wish you would provide additional information that refutes the overwhelming consensus here.
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    Jack, not to be factual or anything, but what do you actually work?
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    I thought gays were supposed to be smart

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