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    Straight journalist with some questions about gay porn

    Hey guys.

    I'm a straight male, writing for a gay magazine. I'm writing a feature on gay porn and I'd love to hear some opinions from guys who've seen a lot more of it than I have.

    I've spoken with some academics, authors and activists on the subject and some people within the industry and I've been given the following opposing arguments:

    "Gay porn is racist in it's depiction of dominant black men and submissive, feminine Asian men"
    vs.
    "Gay porn is very broad and caters to many preferences, so racial stereotypes can be found, but are not the norm"

    "Gay porn is harmful to the social/sexual development of young gay men and porn producers + the LGBT community must provide them with healthier images to identify with"
    vs.
    "It's not right to target the porn industry for something that is mainly an educational and social issue - to do so only leads to advocating censorship"

    I'd really like to hear some opinions on this (so long as they are politely and respectfully expressed, of course). If they are compelling enough, I will include them in my final write up - using nothing more than usernames, of course.
    (let me know if you'd like to opt out)

    I really hope you all can help me with my research.

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    I think you have been talking to too many "academics" and "activists". I suppose you can milk the political angle all you want if you really think it amounts to anything meaningful, which it does not. Gay porn is consumed by guys who want to see male nudity, cock sucking, and ass fucking for the purpose of pleasure and sexual release. There. Your research is now complete.

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    Thanks for your reply, Moniker.
    You are absolutely right, speaking to academics is no use if I don't also get the opinions of the people that regularly watch porn.
    Basically the supposed 'harmful' side of gay porn is being talked about in academic circles, but not in the media, so these criticisms are going unanswered. I want to make a start on that.
    Do you think it's unfair for academics to be saying gay porn is harmful and racist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JournoQs View Post
    Thanks for your reply, Moniker.
    You are absolutely right, speaking to academics is no use if I don't also get the opinions of the people that regularly watch porn.
    Basically the supposed 'harmful' side of gay porn is being talked about in academic circles, but not in the media, so these criticisms are going unanswered. I want to make a start on that.
    Do you think it's unfair for academics to be saying gay porn is harmful and racist?
    I don't think so because it really isn't about complex characters (whereas in movies you could argue that a stereotype is attached to a certain race). Sometimes there are stereotypical representations but that isn't bad because that's what people wanna see.

    It all depends on the demand. Some people like seeing petite characters getting penetrated and others like big buff guys getting it. There is so much porn these days and there's something for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JournoQs View Post
    Thanks for your reply, Moniker.
    You are absolutely right, speaking to academics is no use if I don't also get the opinions of the people that regularly watch porn.
    Basically the supposed 'harmful' side of gay porn is being talked about in academic circles, but not in the media, so these criticisms are going unanswered. I want to make a start on that.
    Do you think it's unfair for academics to be saying gay porn is harmful and racist?
    Different academics have different standards about sex & porn ... etc because of their upbringing.
    You have to dig their backgrounds and their behaviors about sex & porn first to understand their opinions.


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    1. There are so many different types of porn that it's impossible to categorize it all within one category. Regardless of what one likes, there is porn out there to fill that need. They need to get a grip. It's not about making societal commentary, it's about getting your dick hard and then getting off.

    2. Looking to porn for healthy self images? Seriously? If you want to look for healthy images, look elsewhere. That's not what porn is for. That's what friends and mentors are for.

    Remember, porn is a tool. It's a tool for the makers to make money and it's a tool for the viewers to get off. We've got to stop making it the be-all-and-end-all of society.

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    I assure you academics also enjoy porn.

    Because gay porn demystifies same-sex activities, I think it has served an important function in helping gay people understand their own attractions, understand that they are not alone, understand even the mechanics of something that still isn't explained in most people's health classes. It isn't ideal for any of those things, but when there is no alternative you look where you can.

    It also magnifies some of the stupid petty prejudices that exist in our everyday lives. But because there might be fewer alternatives to the insight it provides, it attracts greater loyalty from those whom it has served, and greater resentment from those who are excluded by its prejudices.

    Personally, I can't stand cliches in porn. I suppose it undermines my ideals of social equality, but mostly I find it unerotic.
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    Yeah my husband's an academic and he's not one to shy away from porn! Though like everything else he's pretty reserved and personal about it.
    I think so long as you know bear in mind what porn is then you're alright. It's entertainment, fantasy. If you start thinking it's more than that, like a reality for which to strive, then you're in trouble. But like any form of media, it's up to you and your tastes, what you like, what you don't like, and what you would consider doing in reality.
    If porn does have any type of stereotypes, then there has to be a market for it, but then that's where the fantasy comes in. Bear in mind it's not reality....

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    Thanks for your responses guys, this is really helpful.
    Would it be fair then, to say that if a person is turned on by seeing men of a certain race in a certain sexual role, there's no reason to assume that this would have any bearing on how he would view men of that race in everyday life?
    ....meaning, by extension, that racial stereotypes in porn are actually less harmful than elsewhere in society?
    Thanks again for your help guys. mpc

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    i think the opposite
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: Straight journalist with some questions about gay porn

    Quote Originally Posted by JournoQs View Post
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    Would it be fair then, to say that if a person is turned on by seeing men of a certain race in a certain sexual role, there's no reason to assume that this would have any bearing on how he would view men of that race in everyday life?
    ....meaning, by extension, that racial stereotypes in porn are actually less harmful than elsewhere in society?
    I think it does have some (if not a lot of) bearing on how they see people in real life. Acting on it is another matter. Porn might provide a less harmful outlet, but psychological harm is still possible, for reasons already mentioned in this thread. It can be harmless fantasy material for some viewers, but it can also have negative effects at both the personal and societal level. Personally, I wouldn't promote porn focused on non-consensual inequalities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JournoQs View Post
    ....meaning, by extension, that racial stereotypes in porn are actually less harmful than elsewhere in society?
    Racial, and other kinds of, stereotypes, in porn, come FROM "Mainstream Society". Porn does not promote as much as it exploits what is already "out there".

    Porn, of all kinds, is sought out by the consumer, and generally follows their already established inclinations, therefore fortifying, rather than changing, what they already think/prefer.

    Of course, there are those that are more adventurous, and willing to explore beyond their current experiences and expectations. However, they will still tend to favor what they are already basically "in alignment" with.

    Porn can be educational, as far as techniques, or perspectives, or a myriad of other considerations, but rarely will it promote anything that is not already within the consumers mindset, even if not realized, yet. And, that limitation is due to the preferences that are already established by the searcher's particular agenda, and the "why" of that which they are looking for in the first place.

    Since the consumer is initiating their "Surfing for WOW", they're going to follow that which appeals to them already. And, Heaven knows, whatever it is that will "trip their trigger", it is certainly available somewhere! If there is a demand, the market place will provide.

    MONEY doesn't care who has it, where it comes from, or what it's being used for. And, that can certainly be said for Porn, too!

    All the more reasons to ... no matter what ...

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    The rise of barebacking in films should be a huge concern to the entire gay communtiy. Most of the producers/owners are older and lived through the AIDS horrors of the 80s and 90s and for them to dupe stupid teens and young 20s guys into doing it is unconscionable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanimal View Post
    Racial, and other kinds of, stereotypes, in porn, come FROM "Mainstream Society". Porn ... exploits what is already "out there"...
    In case I implied otherwise in my post, this is more or less what I mean -- not that porn CAUSES anything.

    Along these lines -- one of my favorites from Calvin and Hobbes:

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    ^eJ and Chaz pretty much have mentioned what my thoughts are on this.

    Quote Originally Posted by JournoQs View Post
    Thanks for your responses guys, this is really helpful.
    Would it be fair then, to say that if a person is turned on by seeing men of a certain race in a certain sexual role, there's no reason to assume that this would have any bearing on how he would view men of that race in everyday life?
    ....meaning, by extension, that racial stereotypes in porn are actually less harmful than elsewhere in society?
    Thanks again for your help guys. mpc
    Just to add a few more cents...

    Porn itself, gay or straight, is generally a reflection of society. The racial stereotypes found in porn exist because they exist in society first. Porn can be harmful in the sense that it merely perpetuates those stereotypes and can contribute to a lack of respect towards others by the viewer. It can also be harmful just in a general sense for those who have a hard time separating fiction from reality and who can become easily addicted to that fantasy world. But if you just do a cursory observation you will find many of the same racial stereotype issues and many of the rising bareback issues exist in straight porn just as much as in gay porn.

    Personally, I think some people can tend to, unintentionally, turn what they don't understand and may fear into a fetish as a way to explore and understand their curiosity. Example of this being the myth that black men have bigger dicks. This takes root several centuries back starting in Europe and eventually carrying over to the U.S. The idea of "sexual threat", that black men in particular were sub-human, animalistic and lust-driven. This notion created the fear that black men were a sexual threat to society, prone to raping white women. This article explains it very well and makes reference to "Birth of a Nation", a very poignant and relevant film that explains how this myth started and was perpetuated through "sexual racism." Thus the fetish of black men having a larger penis is born and carries over into gay porn to be further perpetuated and to further denigrate gay black men.

    Another example of this, one that is somewhat fascinating...If you were to casually look at both gay and straight porn pre-9/11 and compare it to porn made in 2003 for example and also porn today, you will find a curious truth. There was almost no porn in the U.S. involving people from the Middle East or of Arab descent before 9/11. Yet, soon after you saw a steady influx of both gay and straight porn involving people of Middle East and Arab descent as well as many more military in the desert scenarios....It's reflecting society's interest in Westerners wanting to know who the terrorists were that attacked that day, where they came from and what they are all about. It tends to rear its head as an often racially stereotyped fantasy or fetish.

    I'm rambling at this point, hopefully this makes some sense.

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    ^ That makes a LOT of sense, and you've expressed it more clearly than I managed to!

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    Gay porn in itself is not harmful - porn that exploits actors and puts them at risk or that encourages watchers to put themselves at risk is nasty regardless if its st8 or gay - sadly a lot of porn is made by jaded old's who are remarkably cavalier with other peoples health

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    ^
    I disagree.
    I think--and I think this very strongly--that showing handsome buffed guys having hot sex is a great antidote and alternative to the heterosex romance (with handsome men and beautiful women) in the mainstream movies and television that gay men grow up with.
    I don't care how the performers identify themselves for the moment--if they're handsome and can get it up, know how to fuck and be fucked, more power to them.
    To the OP: why don't you watch some movies and form your own opinion?
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    Re: Straight journalist with some questions about gay porn

    Hey Guys,

    My first gay porn feature went live yesterday, specifically addressing the subject of racism:
    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/g...n-racist011013

    Thanks for all your help. I could only quote a few of you directly, but all of your comments were helpful.

    In answer to LatimerRd - although I have watched a fair amount of gay porn over the last few weeks, the goal isn't to form an opinion myself and then publish it. The goal is to give a balanced and objective summary of opinions from people who are far better qualified to comment than I am.

    I sincerely hope I have achieved this, although I understand that, on a controversial subject, it is impossible to make everyone happy.

    I hadn't actually planned to address the question of racism initially, but my first interviewee made the accusation and I felt it was important to get a broad scope of opinion.

    So yes, thanks so much for all your help thus far.

    Next up, as mentioned in my first post, I'll be asking exactly the same question of gay porn that the whole of the media seems to be asking of straight porn:

    Is gay porn harmful to young people and their social/sexual development?

    There's already been some really good comments on here about this question. I''l be checking in every day, so if anyone else has any more opinions to add then I'll look forward to reading them.

    Here is a quite snippet of the case for the prosecution, from Professor Dines:
    (bare in mind these are just the main bullet points of a quite lengthy discussion)

    "...when I give lectures, I often get the same questions from gay men about gay porn. One of the things they say is that “this [porn] was the first time ever I saw an affirmation of my own sexuality”.... I think the argument would be; that is an incredible example of the dereliction of duty in the gay community – that the only images they can offer gay men is gay porn."

    "where is the responsibility of the porn industry to help nurture and mentor young gay men into a sexuality and into an identity that is life affirming as opposed to one that celebrates bare-backing?"

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    Looks like I'm chiming in a little too late, but may I suggest (if you haven't already -- I'll read the article next) that you try to track down Connor Habib to speak with him? He's an academic and a gay porn star, and he's done a lot of thought and writing on many of these issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JournoQs View Post

    Is gay porn harmful to young people and their social/sexual development?

    There's already been some really good comments on here about this question. I''l be checking in every day, so if anyone else has any more opinions to add then I'll look forward to reading them.

    Here is a quite snippet of the case for the prosecution, from Professor Dines:
    (bare in mind these are just the main bullet points of a quite lengthy discussion)

    "...when I give lectures, I often get the same questions from gay men about gay porn. One of the things they say is that “this [porn] was the first time ever I saw an affirmation of my own sexuality”.... I think the argument would be; that is an incredible example of the dereliction of duty in the gay community – that the only images they can offer gay men is gay porn."

    "where is the responsibility of the porn industry to help nurture and mentor young gay men into a sexuality and into an identity that is life affirming as opposed to one that celebrates bare-backing?"
    Three different issues you've raised that I'd like to comment on:

    • Is gay porn harmful to young people and their social/sexual development?
    • Is the gay community derelict in its duty when the only images young gay men find are pornographic?
    • What responsibility does the porn industry have to mentor young gay men into an identity that is life affirming rather than one that celebrates bare backing?


    Is it harmful? Not intrinsically. It is normal and healthy for all guys to seek visual stimulation. Sure, it can provide unrealistic expectations of things like penis-size, positions, etc. May I recommend the writings of Dan Savage for the advice he gives parents when they ask him what to do when they discover their kids' porn collections?

    Is the gay community derelict? In our defense, I would argue it's not necessarily our fault. With so many people out there accusing the gay community of preying on kids, of recruiting, of pedophilia, is it any wonder that many of us shy away from any direct involvement? And until those teens come out, how would we even reach them -- aside, as we already have done, through representations in the media like "Will & Grace," "Glee," movies, etc.

    What responsibility does the porn industry have? Well, I wish the porn industry had more safe sex and fewer bare-back representations. But there are lots of gay porn companies that only show safe sex, and there are absolutely ZERO straight porn companies that do. So in our defense, the gay porn industry on the whole is infinitely better than the straight porn industry in that regards.

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    "What responsibility does the porn industry have?"

    Responsibility and Porn in the same sentence? It's PORN!!

    The only "responsibility" that pornographers have, under the U.S. Law, is too keep those under 18 off of, and away from, their sites. And, it took a LAW to do That!

    The "responsibility" lies with Parents, Teachers, and Others, that are entrusted with raising our young people! If they are well informed, Fully educated in sexual matters, Porn's consumers would drive the market to reflect the "responsibility" that has already been engrained in them.

    In an Ideal world, EVERYONE would step up to promoting, and encouraging, the "right" choices. However, to imply that The PORN Industry should somehow be held more "Responsible" than practically anyone else, is actually Hilarious! It's PORN!!

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    why would a str8 guy write for gay news....another gay guy losses a job to a breeder!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougmc92 View Post
    why would a str8 guy write for gay news....another gay guy losses a job to a breeder!
    Not all Gay Guys can actually Write Well, Doug!

    And, I do appreciate an Objective approach, and analysis, whenever a Str8 writer has the courage to approach a Gay subject!

    It's all a matter of Perspective.

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    What straight professional journalist uses so many smiley faces?? I smell college paper, and someone too lazy to do their own homework.
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    I smell a closet case sticking his toe out....

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    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    What straight professional journalist uses so many smiley faces?? I smell college paper, and someone too lazy to do their own homework.
    He doesn't use NEARLY as many Smilies as I do!

    And, Real research can certainly include "interviews", in trying to search out various opinions.

    At least he's not asking Us to provide "Sources"!

    Quote Originally Posted by dougmc92 View Post
    I smell a closet case sticking his toe out....
    Sorry, butt I'm not getting that "vibe" in this case. (As much as I'd like to see his toes.)

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    he's gone- used us and won't be back- can't stand breeders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougmc92 View Post
    I smell a closet case sticking his toe out....
    I'm making no assertions about this journalist. I used to work for a gay media company and there were lots of straight people there. There's a 25% unemployment rate among journalists now. I wouldn't be surprised if there are lots of cool straight people working in the gay press, or covering gay issues in non-gay press.

    That said, your comment reminded me of the first time I had sex. It was with a "straight" guy in college who was doing research for a sociology paper and needed to interview someone who was openly gay. I was out, but a naive virgin, and he seduced me. Found out a few years later from one of his openly-gay fraternity brothers that this guy always came up with an excuse to do papers on gay topics so that he could meet/interview/seduce gay people. Wonder if he ever came out?

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    I hadn't actually planned to address the question of racism initially, but my first interviewee made the accusation and I felt it was important to get a broad scope of opinion.

    (From the linked article)
    ‘A lot of gay porn is racist in the way it hyper-masculinizes black men and feminizes Asian men …

    ‘That’s the history of racism in America – black people were defined out of humanness into animalistic sexuality and that’s what was legitimizing the lynching of black men and the raping of black women.
    I wonder if it is possible to separate whatever historical context may be responsible for stigmas, such as casting Black people as “animalistic” sexual beings, the hyper-masculinization of Black men, or the feminization of Asian men from an analysis of contemporary gay porn. And if possible, can that premise be tolerated under the auspices of socially responsible thought?

    I also wonder to what extent Gail Dines regards the penetration of a male by another male to represent an act of violence, in and of itself. After all, some people ostensibly continue to regard gay sex as “unnatural,” because it violates the basic function of genitals and contradicts the nature of humanity. I have not researched Ms. Dines’ work, but it seems reasonable to inquire if she views one or more of the participants in gay sex as “victims.” Even if she is reluctant to label gay sex as an act of conspicuous violence, perhaps she perceives that one or more of the participants are somehow humiliated.


    Quote Originally Posted by JournoQs View Post
    (From the linked article)
    ‘It swirls around the culture – those racist, sexist stereotypes are in this [American] culture – so when they come to produce porn, it’s just sexualizing the stereotypes of black and Asian men.’
    Are the producers of gay porn who fail to appropriately filter their products in order to remove any aspect of presentation that may be subject to reasonable academic criticism acting irresponsibly?

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    Hey guys,
    Thanks for keeping up the convo. A few things to go through here:
    Daedalus – very interesting points and a good defence. I’ll check out the Dan Savage article. Thanks

    Kyanimal (Chaz) – I think your ‘geesh’ reaction is a fair and important one. Plenty of people, in response to academic criticisms of porn, say “it’s just porn!” which, despite its simplicity, is a valid point. The reason I am asking about it is that (as I mention in the actual feature) these criticisms are being made of gay porn in academic discourse and, with barely any media addressing the question, the actual creators and watchers of gay porn don’t really get to respond. Also – I assure you my toes are quite unremarkable.

    Borg68unmatrix – I love smileys obviously wouldn’t use them in final copy, but always when writing informally like this.

    Dougmc – In my experience, there’s not a lot of straight guys in gay media, so we are in a minority in that sense. Some could probably say it’s indicative of being a ‘closet case’, some would argue the complete opposite. By sheer irony, I happened to meet my girlfriend because we both wrote for the same gay mag.

    Generally – this is a debate that is being had between academics. A lot of the time they are quoting and analysing the views of other academics in arriving at their criticisms. For me the key is to be balanced, so when I started working on this, it decided I should head straight to a gay porn forum to make sure I’m listening to the views of those who actually watch and enjoy gay porn. It’s proved immeasurably useful thus far, thanks to you guys.

    Opinterph – Very interesting points. Here’s another snippet of my chat with Prof Dines that may be interest to you:

    “I think gay men really had a chance to show heterosexual men that, in fact, masculinity didn’t have to be about violence and about degradation. They had a chance to redefine masculinity in a way that was more human, more empathic, just a different type of masculinity. I don’t see, as a movement or a group, gay men taking the reins here and really being leaders to straight men about an alternative form of masculinity.”

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    Re: Straight journalist with some questions about gay porn

    Quote Originally Posted by JournoQs View Post
    Kyanimal (Chaz) – I think your ‘geesh’ reaction is a fair and important one. Plenty of people, in response to academic criticisms of porn, say “it’s just porn!” which, despite its simplicity, is a valid point. The reason I am asking about it is that (as I mention in the actual feature) these criticisms are being made of gay porn in academic discourse and, with barely any media addressing the question, the actual creators and watchers of gay porn don’t really get to respond. Also – I assure you my toes are quite unremarkable.
    HA! Do not underestimate the Sensuality of your Feet!

    http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...ngs-about-Feet

    Aside from that though, my degree (from Northwestern University) is in Communications, with a minor in Psychology.

    I did a Thesis on Pornography (in general), from a Communication, Marketing, and Psychological point of view. And, this was at a time when Porn was first "encroaching" on "Main Stream" media. (Think "Deep Throat" being shown in "Real" Theaters!)

    I'm quite familiar with the Academicians' "Ivory Tower" perspective, and how it can be completely "out of sync" with Real Life!

    As an example, let's take the following quote ...

    Quote Originally Posted by JournoQs View Post
    Opinterph – Very interesting points. Here’s another snippet of my chat with Prof Dines that may be interest to you:

    “I think gay men really had a chance to show heterosexual men that, in fact, masculinity didn’t have to be about violence and about degradation. They had a chance to redefine masculinity in a way that was more human, more empathic, just a different type of masculinity. I don’t see, as a movement or a group, gay men taking the reins here and really being leaders to straight men about an alternative form of masculinity.”
    Though I certainly WISH that Prof. Dines' observation was actually Real, I'm afraid her underlying point, that there is a "movement", by Gay Men, is, unfortunately, a fallacy!

    And, I'll certainly have to bring up her assertion that "WE" have missed an important opportunity at "Our" next General Meeting, when I'll also be re-validating my "Gay Card", and cashing in my points, for having converted my quota of Str8s, for a new toaster oven.

    The fallacy I'm trying to explain is that there is, somehow, an innate connection between those that share a given Natural similarity.

    It's like saying that all _____ people have the same agenda, cohesive goals. And, that's simply not True!

    Though there are people, with similar Interests, that do form specific Interest Groups, that is a Social phenomenon, and not a Natural one.

    Just because I may be a short, blue-eyed, GAY, Guy, does not mean that I'm "in sync" with all other Guys who may also be Naturally like me!

    And, the same goes for ALL Pornographers. Other than their (obviously) common interest in making Money, I don't see an underlying effort to somehow effect Society.

    If anything, the overall effects that Porn has on Society is proportionately miniscule compared to the effects that Society has on Porn (market demand)!

    Therefore, I'm going to stand by my assertion that, Geesh!, "It's JUST Porn"!

    Keep smilin'!!
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