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    A Football Offences Act of 1991 (as amended)

    (Note: read soccer for football.)

    I was not aware there was such a thing. Apparently the "small island"-ers have got hurling racial epithets down pat.

    Well, they seem not to have guns.

    This offence is committed when a group of people, or one person acting alone, chants something of a racialist nature at a designated football match. "Racialist" means the same as "racist".
    Section 3 of the Act.

    A congregation of fans, primarily Jewish, of the Tottenham Hotspur Football Club, shout and chant "Yid" in support of their team. Football officials say this behavior is racist. They ignore that the persons chanting it are supposedly the offended.

    And, that opposing fans are wont to hiss like an Auschwitz gas chamber.

    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...arks-uk-debate

    Now, "football" is not the butt and crotch show that football is, but really! These fans kill each other over less.

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    Re: A Football Offences Act of 1991 (as amended)

    I live right by the Hearts Football (soccer) Pitch , here in Edinburgh . When they are playing Hibs , the bigots and the smell of hate is heavy in the air .

    When i was a kid , i can remember my dad taking me to an Old Firm Match in Glasgow . Put me off the game for life .

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    Re: A Football Offences Act of 1991 (as amended)

    I never go to live matches I find trhe IQ of a good majority of fans is nil nil!

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    Re: A Football Offences Act of 1991 (as amended)

    Yay lets deride a whole section of society for the actions of a minority! Football is not just for stupid violent people, and come on we are better than pretending this is the case.

    It seems strange to attack us here in the UK on the racist grounds, considering we are world leaders in eradicate wide spread racist behaviour that was abhorrent, but a main stay of British football stadiums until the 1980s. Its right that we should have laws in place not allowing it as it allows us to deal with the situation as it arises.

    The y-word aspect of the debate comes up now and again but needs to be dealt with. Its mainly to do with the fact that North London is historically home to one of the largest communities of Jews in the UK, anyone living there today will still tell you this is the case, although with a massive growth in populations from other communities. With this connection to a Jewish community, teams took to calling Tottenham (the team that represents this area) the y-word back as far back as I know - certainly 30s/40s. Over time the Spurs fans took this term on, and have used it to support themselves with chants of "yid", "yid army", "yido" etc. In their mind they are using this chant as one that supports and promotes the teams heritage of being a "Jewish team" even if the ethnic and religious make up has changed. This self promotion creates the environment where the opposition (normally other London teams, although other have been known to do it) make chants to attack this image - including the hissing mentioned. This is in terrible taste but its not always with racist intention (not that I support this, and I believe Spurs should give up the jewish identity as its no longer really the case). We do have problems but its not massive, and on the whole crowds here are super well behavioured. Also this behaviour is not limited to us as Ajax do the same thing in Amsterdam - so not just small island problems!

    And please we are not killing each other, I have not seen fights at matches for so long now! We have the odd flair up (see man punching a horse at Newcastle Sunderland last year) but its really not that bad.

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    Re: A Football Offences Act of 1991 (as amended)

    Really!! Then please come and watch a Celtic and Rangers match , in Glasgow i can assure you it is more than a *Police* horse being punched . Spat on . Had bottles of piss thrown at you .

    Then you may want to amend your post .

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    Re: A Football Offences Act of 1991 (as amended)

    Well I should have said England rather than Scotland to be fair, I have only ever been to Celtic games and never seen trouble. It feels like the old firm might die down these days anyway as Celtic have moved to a standard higher than Rangers ever have been at or ever will return to once they get promotion back up the table.

    The horse punch thing was part of wider trouble that day, but that is all I really remember of it. But lets be fair, I am not sure how long you have been going to football or around, but god damn its better than before. I am not saying we are done, but the level of violence is so little in comparison.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Anyway the post originally was about racism, not religious divides in Scotland/Ireland

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    Re: A Football Offences Act of 1991 (as amended)

    Not having a pop at you mate . I agree with you , but , here in Scotland they very much are the same thing .

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    Re: A Football Offences Act of 1991 (as amended)

    I know I realised as soon as I wrote it how stupid the comment was. But to be fair, Scotland crowd troubles is improving as well partly for the same sad reasons as England - ticket prices are too expensive for working class people to attend. But I hope its also partly due to improved behaviour on the whole. Like I said, I go to a lot of football and I never really hear shit anymore. When I was a kid (I started going to matches weekly from 4/5+) you use to hear loads of stupid shit, even in a fairly nice town like Colchester. That has all gone now, which is good. I do think people in the states have a view of football fans fed to them that makes us all seem like right dick heads!

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    Re: A Football Offences Act of 1991 (as amended)

    ^Colchester i was based in Swindon...........Now that is what you call a garrison town .

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    Re: A Football Offences Act of 1991 (as amended)

    You in the army? I am glad to be away from garrison towns, the weird feeling of locals vs the army is such an odd one - even more so in Colchester it always felt Locals vs Students vs Army

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    Re: A Football Offences Act of 1991 (as amended)

    No , i was in The Royal Air Force.......................Now there was rivalry .

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    Re: A Football Offences Act of 1991 (as amended)

    Football is intended primarily for Neanderthals and sadly they can be relied upon to behave exactly as one would expect. There's never been the need for legislation to control behaviour at say Wimbledon.

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    I really dont feel like tennis and football can be accurately compared in terms of what the crowds are like. Mainly because people just sort of go to wimbledon, very few go following a certain player. The most you get are a load of people watching British players - but that is more just partisan following rather than supporting, with I doubt more than 20% having seen a single game outside of the grand slams for that player.

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    Re: A Football Offences Act of 1991 (as amended)

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyAnger View Post
    I really dont feel like tennis and football can be accurately compared in terms of what the crowds are like.
    I'd say I was drawing a distinction rather than making a comparison.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyAnger View Post
    ... but that is more just partisan following rather than supporting ...
    Forgive me if I don't get the difference!

    The point I was trying to make is that football supporters, almost uniquely, are routinely badly behaved. Matches have to be heavily policed and legislation is needed (as the OP has pointed out) to try to regulate behaviour. The distinction I was trying to draw was that in just about any other sport you'd care to mention, whether Rugby Union, Wimbledon, Dressage or whatever, people behave themselves and enjoy proceedings in a much more agreeable and civilised fashion.

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    Re: A Football Offences Act of 1991 (as amended)

    I remember when I went to college football (football) games and people wore ties and jackets. Now they wear paint!

    What about football (soccer)?

    What happens at university football (soccer) matches?

    And why single out the Jewish adherents? At one time they had the personal protection of the Sovereign.

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    Re: A Football Offences Act of 1991 (as amended)

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    What happens at university football (soccer) matches?
    Can't tell you I'm afraid. I've never attended a football match in my life, whether at university or otherwise. I'd suspect though that you don't get the lower class thugs who attend the professional matches at universities. Even in these egalitarian, dumbed-down times when almost everyone is expected to go to university, they're still clearly far too stupid.

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    And why single out the Jewish adherents? At one time they had the personal protection of the Sovereign.
    There's a strong racist element at many matches. The anti-Jewish stuff is mainly directed at Tottenham Hotspur which is based in what is supposedly a predominately Jewish area of north London. Black players are regularly greeted with monkey noises. It's disgraceful, but exactly what one would expect from those concerned.

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    Re: A Football Offences Act of 1991 (as amended)

    We don't really do university games (they happen but they are of less importance than actually football). I would suggest they normally come in track suits as they are athletes. It really depends on the game though, if its a big match (international/final) they will wear suits.
    If it is the actual fans themselves, then no. No one wears suits but officials and that pretty much goes across the board of sports here. Be it cricket, rugby, tennis the fans will just wear what they want.

    I don't know how to answer your Jewish thing, other than again saying the area Tottenham represent is a historic Jewish area.

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    Re: A Football Offences Act of 1991 (as amended)

    As is Brick Lane in the east of London . Around the Shoreditch and Bethnal Green areas .

    As for comparing Football to Tennis .
    I believe there is a saying--*Football is a sport played by thugs who look like gentlemen--Rugby is a sport played by gentlemen who look like thugs*

    Even the more "prestige,s " off our sports have their trouble , as in the female player stabbed in the back , by a pair of scissors , during a match at Wimbledon .
    Though i do agree with *Lord York* , their really is no comparison .

    Many people think off Brick Lane as a mainly Indian Community , though there is still a huge Jewish element in the area .

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