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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Obamacare will kill private insurance companies. You think the government will be able to manage your healthcare when they can't do complete investigations for employees.

    The federal government's health care system will end up like Walmart -- something you hate.
    Personal computers and word processors killed off the typewriter industry. Where's Smith-Corona now? The automobile industry killed off the blacksmith shops. DVD's killed off VHS tapes.

    It's called progress.... you know.... that terrible, frightening word conservatives hate and fear.

    It's morally wrong to make profits off someone's health problems. It's time for them to go. And unless you're a Seer or some kind of time traveler you don't have a clue as to how it will function in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Obamacare will kill private insurance companies. You think the government will be able to manage your healthcare when they can't do complete investigations for employees.

    The federal government's health care system will end up like Walmart -- something you hate.
    Actually private insurance companies prior to Obama starting the healthcare debate were a lot like Wal*Mart commercials, except the happy face was jumping around knocking down things you were covered for or bumping you out of coverage when you got sick.

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    ^^

    Progress is people not having insurance? You don't like physicians, nurses, chemists, and health care workers?

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    ^^

    Progress is people not having insurance? You don't like physicians, nurses, chemists, and health care workers?
    What are you babbling about? If you don't have any idea what you're talking about then why are you?

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    the government … can't do complete investigations for employees.
    I heard that the recent problems with security clearances primarily involved the outsourcing of that function to private industry.

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    I heard that the recent problems with security clearances primarily involved the outsourcing of that function to private industry.
    Absolutely not surprised.

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    Obamacare will kill private insurance companies.
    But Obamacare IS private insurance.

    It is mandatory private insurance. It is one of the greatest things ever to happen to the insurance industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    But Obamacare IS private insurance.

    It is mandatory private insurance. It is one of the greatest things ever to happen to the insurance industry.
    There's that, too. I'm not sure under what picture of healthcare changes Springer is operating but it does not (as far as I can tell) seem to be updated with the knowledge that the system that stood to arguably harm private insurance (due to probably providing better care at less cost) his party filibustered and made sure was murdered out of the proposal. Yet here he is saying that Obamacare is going to kill insurance somehow.

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    Re: Your premiums under the Affordable Health Care Act calculator

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You think the government will be able to manage your healthcare when they can't do complete investigations for employees.
    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    I heard that the recent problems with security clearances primarily involved the outsourcing of that function to private industry.
    Opinterph is correct.

    Both Edward Snowden and Aaron Alexis were cleared by the same private security contractor.

    And I don't know why Republicans think private companies are so flawless in every way. One of the fundamental problems with the health care industry in America is that it is private. It is a private system that operates without the market forces of capitalism. The party which pays the bills is not the party which utilizes the services. There is incentive for profit but not for cost-containment. Obamacare, regrettably, does not change this.
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    Re: Your premiums under the Affordable Health Care Act calculator

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Obamacare will kill private insurance companies. You think the government will be able to manage your healthcare when they can't do complete investigations for employees.

    The federal government's health care system will end up like Walmart -- something you hate.
    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    But Obamacare IS private insurance.

    It is mandatory private insurance. It is one of the greatest things ever to happen to the insurance industry.
    This.

    Obamacare is Republicancare -- a system using the government to require Americans to provide profits for large companies.

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    More and more it's obvious Springer has no clue what Obamacare actually features - and will no doubt say that's because all of it is secret and hidden - yet constantly offers new gloom-and-doom scenarios.

    Jack, isn't it better to make statements based on actual information for a change? I'm sure you'll love it if you only give it a try.
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    The same old song and dance. We've heard this all before.



    Try and take away Medicare now and guess what will happen.

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    Double Down: Obamacare Will Increase Avg. Individual-Market Insurance Premiums By 99% For Men, 62% For Women

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...rtner=yahootix

    "For months now, we’ve been waiting to hear how much Obamacare will drive up the cost of health insurance for people who purchase coverage on their own. Last night, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services finally began to provide some data on how Americans will fare on Obamacare’s federally-sponsored insurance exchanges. HHS’ press release is full of happy talk about how premiums will be “lower than originally expected.” But the reality is starkly different."

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    Obama said that night that once people see that health insurance will cost less than your phone bill people will sign up.

    My cell phone bill is $75.

    Liar-in-Chief strikes again.

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    It now appears that there will be a huge business for supplemental insurance because of the low coverage of Obamacare. Since the 3 plans will cover only 60%, 70%, or 90% - huge opportunity for insurance companies to create a new level of health insurance like they have with Medicare.

    There will still be medical bankruptcies. 60% insurance coverage is not going to fair well with people who have had deductible coverage before. I know of no current plans that only offer 60% coverage.

    Obamacare has been oversold.

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    I'm all for a national healthcare system. But this has been a marketing catastrophe. It looks more complicated than what we're used to having. And that is not really Obama's fault, since this version of Obamacare is not the version he really wanted for us, but is the only version the GOP was willing to give him (and since have tried to retract 42 times). A shame it's not going to be anywhere near as simple, nor beneficial, as in other countries where it is a big success. It looks like just another thing that Americans will need to stress over, which is not the real intent of a good national healthcare system.
    You're trying to blame this mess on republicans? Not one republican voted for the ACA. Democrats controlled all three branches of government when it was passed.

    What color is the moon on your planet?

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    Re: Your premiums under the Affordable Health Care Act calculator

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    It now appears that there will be a huge business for supplemental insurance because of the low coverage of Obamacare. Since the 3 plans will cover only 60%, 70%, or 90% - huge opportunity for insurance companies to create a new level of health insurance like they have with Medicare.

    There will still be medical bankruptcies. 60% insurance coverage is not going to fair well with people who have had deductible coverage before. I know of no current plans that only offer 60% coverage.

    Obamacare has been oversold.
    Hey Jack, it's too bad your party blocked a real healthcare reform isn't it?

    This is the reason no one takes this outrage seriously.

    Is anyone else amused that Jack sees the problem with the privately-dominated healthcare system, only when he can attach a Democratic President to it in some manner?

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    Re: Your premiums under the Affordable Health Care Act calculator

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    Double Down: Obamacare Will Increase Avg. Individual-Market Insurance Premiums By 99% For Men, 62% For Women

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...rtner=yahootix

    "For months now, we’ve been waiting to hear how much Obamacare will drive up the cost of health insurance for people who purchase coverage on their own. Last night, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services finally began to provide some data on how Americans will fare on Obamacare’s federally-sponsored insurance exchanges. HHS’ press release is full of happy talk about how premiums will be “lower than originally expected.” But the reality is starkly different."
    I think you should have sanitized the "happy talk" link from your posted link.

    http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/2...e_premiums.cfm
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    Quote Originally Posted by bendted View Post
    I think you should have sanitized the "happy talk" link from your posted link.

    http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/2...e_premiums.cfm
    Everyone isn't 27 years old. Wait until and if they are ready to post the real costs next week.

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    Everyone isn't 27 years old.
    Tell me about it! Actually don't remind me. I'm in my mid 50s now, but I remember turning down insurance at that age or thereabouts because I thought it was too expensive at $5 / week. At another shitty job I had as recently as the late 80s granted us free insurance and I mean real major medical.
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    Re: Your premiums under the Affordable Health Care Act calculator

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Double Down: Obamacare Will Increase Avg. Individual-Market Insurance Premiums By 99% For Men, 62% For Women

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...rtner=yahootix

    "For months now, we’ve been waiting to hear how much Obamacare will drive up the cost of health insurance for people who purchase coverage on their own. Last night, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services finally began to provide some data on how Americans will fare on Obamacare’s federally-sponsored insurance exchanges. HHS’ press release is full of happy talk about how premiums will be “lower than originally expected.” But the reality is starkly different."
    Forbes is generally a sound source on financial matters. The numbers of 27-y.o.s isn't surprising, but for the older folks at 40 it is.

    Ouch.

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    Re: Your premiums under the Affordable Health Care Act calculator

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Obama said that night that once people see that health insurance will cost less than your phone bill people will sign up.

    My cell phone bill is $75.

    Liar-in-Chief strikes again.
    Well, let's see....

    My cell bill is about $42/mo. If my current insurance were to cut me loose, my cost after subsidy would be about $32/mo.

    Of course, without the subsidy, my cost would be about fifteen times my phone bill....

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Your premiums under the Affordable Health Care Act calculator

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    It now appears that there will be a huge business for supplemental insurance because of the low coverage of Obamacare. Since the 3 plans will cover only 60%, 70%, or 90% - huge opportunity for insurance companies to create a new level of health insurance like they have with Medicare.

    There will still be medical bankruptcies. 60% insurance coverage is not going to fair well with people who have had deductible coverage before. I know of no current plans that only offer 60% coverage.

    Obamacare has been oversold.
    Anything under 80% is insurance no one can afford to use.

    My doctor wanted to send me in for a neural assessment once. Insurance would have covered 80% . . . my share would have been two months' income.
    I didn't get the assessment.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Your premiums under the Affordable Health Care Act calculator

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    You're trying to blame this mess on republicans? Not one republican voted for the ACA. Democrats controlled all three branches of government when it was passed.

    What color is the moon on your planet?
    Republicans wrote it.

    It was modified left and right multiple times to make Republicans happy.

    THEN, after they got a piece of legislation written by their own, modified to meet their wishes -- then they voted against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bendted View Post
    I think you should have sanitized the "happy talk" link from your posted link.

    http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/2...e_premiums.cfm
    Not sure what you mean -- that's the report Jack's linked article was discussing.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Republicans wrote it.

    It was modified left and right multiple times to make Republicans happy.

    THEN, after they got a piece of legislation written by their own, modified to meet their wishes -- then they voted against it.
    That's nutz. The ACA is purely a democrat dream. Not sure how you can say republicans wrote the bill. Get in touch with reality.

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    Re: Your premiums under the Affordable Health Care Act calculator

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    Obamacare will kill private insurance companies. You think the government will be able to manage your healthcare when they can't do complete investigations for employees.

    The federal government's health care system will end up like Walmart -- something you hate.
    This is the most idiotic thing that I've ever read.

    Obamacare was written by the insurance and pharmaceutical companies. They are going to get 25 million more customers handed to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    That's nutz. The ACA is purely a democrat dream. Not sure how you can say republicans wrote the bill. Get in touch with reality.
    Even the Wall Street Journal (a Rupert Murdoch publication) says it is a Republican plan.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...144786448.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Not sure what you mean -- that's the report Jack's linked article was discussing.
    Forbes article he posted supports his view, but the link supporting a more optimistic view was within that article.
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    You guys are paying crazy cell phone bills. I have a pre-paid deal and maybe make $5-10 worth of phone calls / month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    That's nutz. The ACA is purely a democrat dream. Not sure how you can say republicans wrote the bill. Get in touch with reality.
    Wow... speaking of reality.

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    This is the most idiotic thing that I've ever read.

    Obamacare was written by the insurance and pharmaceutical companies. They are going to get 25 million more customers handed to them.
    Interesting to see you and trex backing off your support of Obamacare.

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    Interesting to see you and trex backing off your support of Obamacare.
    As has been stated in multiple discussions, you have completely missed two years worth of the fact that the plan we're getting is NOT the one that progressives wanted, it's an adapted version of YOUR PARTY'S healthcare reform proposal. It is not Obama's brainchild, it is not a Democratic healthcare reform. It is what emerged from the pasta machine after your party filibustered every form of real change that would have done more actual good for people in need of healthcare than for the private healthcare conglomerates that fund your party's campaign expenses.

    The reason nothing we say "seems to make sense to you" is because you are so clearly operating from a delusion that the single payer nationalized healthcare system we should have had and which Obama preferred is what's actually coming, and not something that barely survived Republican temper tantrumming to make sure it stood no chance of effecting substantial change.

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    Jack doesn't think republicans had anything to do with the ACA. I think we should all take a moment to marvel at this.
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    ....taking a moment...
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    As has been stated in multiple discussions, you have completely missed two years worth of the fact that the plan we're getting is NOT the one that progressives wanted, it's an adapted version of YOUR PARTY'S healthcare reform proposal. It is not Obama's brainchild, it is not a Democratic healthcare reform. It is what emerged from the pasta machine after your party filibustered every form of real change that would have done more actual good for people in need of healthcare than for the private healthcare conglomerates that fund your party's campaign expenses.

    The reason nothing we say "seems to make sense to you" is because you are so clearly operating from a delusion that the single payer nationalized healthcare system we should have had and which Obama preferred is what's actually coming, and not something that barely survived Republican temper tantrumming to make sure it stood no chance of effecting substantial change.
    It's the one your people passed. That's reality.

    Republicans were not a part of the ACA -- total blame goes to Obama and the dems.

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    It's the one your people passed. That's reality.

    Republicans were not a part of the ACA -- total blame goes to Obama and the dems.
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    total blame goes to Obama and the dems.
    Jack how is that any different from absolutely any problem in the history of the United States, according to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    It's the one your people passed. That's reality.

    Republicans were not a part of the ACA -- total blame goes to Obama and the dems.
    So what you are saying is that your boys in Congress had their index fingers FIRMLY up their noses and not paying attention while Obama and his Evil Liberal Brigade was passing this America-hating law?

    You are basically criticizing the Republican party here. WHY DO YOU HATE REPUBLICANS, JACK?!
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    Did none of you see the:

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    How gay, that's a girls' bike!
    If you could just put a light bulb over every gay person’s head, people would see just how well-lit their streets and cities are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    That's nutz. The ACA is purely a democrat dream. Not sure how you can say republicans wrote the bill. Get in touch with reality.
    That is reality: the ACA is lifted right out of material proposed by the Heritage Foundation clear back in 1989.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Quote Originally Posted by bendted View Post
    You guys are paying crazy cell phone bills. I have a pre-paid deal and maybe make $5-10 worth of phone calls / month.
    What are you paying, two or three cents a minute?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    That is reality: the ACA is lifted right out of material proposed by the Heritage Foundation clear back in 1989.
    Prove it please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Prove it please.
    The fact has been posted in threads you've allegedly read. You ignore all proof, as you do with most anything here.

    Question, everyone: is there any point in supplying Jack once again with information that has already been put in front of him?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Nope, you've done your part.
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    Re: Your premiums under the Affordable Health Care Act calculator

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    The fact has been posted in threads you've allegedly read. You ignore all proof, as you do with most anything here.

    Question, everyone: is there any point in supplying Jack once again with information that has already been put in front of him?
    Not accusations, proof please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    The fact has been posted in threads you've allegedly read. You ignore all proof, as you do with most anything here.

    Question, everyone: is there any point in supplying Jack once again with information that has already been put in front of him?
    Sadly, no. He either doesn't reply to it or doesn't read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Interesting to see you and trex backing off your support of Obamacare.
    I don't understand what you mean.

    I have never opposed Obamacare, even though I think it is extraordinarily stupid legislation.

    It is better than doing nothing and letting the American economy collapse under the weight of an unsustainably expensive health care system, which is what your party is advocating.

    What America needs is single-payer, universal healthcare coverage for every citizen for every disease. Regrettably, the president has chosen to support the private, expensive, Republican "alternative."
    Last edited by T-Rexx; September 27th, 2013 at 09:15 AM.

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