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    Your premiums under the Affordable Health Care Act calculator

    OK, for you people who bitch and moan that "no one knows" what health care will cost under the Affordable Health Care Act, and it's some kind of trick that Obama played, here is a calculator. Also read (click) the notes below the calculator and the FAQ section.

    http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/
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    That's an interesting, useful tool.

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    thanks for the info--I have insurance but this should be interesting for those who do not have it.

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    I played with it, although I will have coverage for life.

    Me alone would be four grand a year

    With my Mom and SO..... 22,000 a year......

    I think i will just pay the penalty for a few more years.....
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    P.s. I lowered my income from present to just my retirement pay and still would pay 8k for the three person plan... BUT I get a 13,000 dollar government tax benefit..... so in other words if i can pay in that much I get it back..... hmmm ... this appears to be the worst plan ever devised by mankind. We could do so much better without an obstructive republican party
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    I grasp better now why so few people have any insurance: had I none, coverage would be close to $8k... more than half my income. But that number is small enough that a country this wealthy has it easily within its capacity to subsidize that amount for every citizen who can't afford it. The question is whether we are a people, or just individuals in a Darwinist jungle.
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    We could do so much better without an obstructive republican party
    Sorry to go off topic, [Text: Removed]

    Please don't bite the hand that feeds you. The Republican party has been, & continues to be, a staunch supporter of the military. Democrats favor shrinking the military (the far left Democrats would probably prefer to get rid of the military altogether). In other words, Democrats left to their devices would love nothing more than to get rid of your job.

    You really don't want to know what the gay liberals in Berkley & San Francisco say about gay men, such as yourself, in the military. To them, you are evil and Bradley (Chelsea) Manning is a hero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    Sorry to go off topic, [Text: Removed]

    Please don't bite the hand that feeds you. The Republican party has been, & continues to be, a staunch supporter of the military. Democrats favor shrinking the military (the far left Democrats would probably prefer to get rid of the military altogether). In other words, Democrats left to their devices would love nothing more than to get rid of your job.

    You really don't want to know what the gay liberals in Berkley & San Francisco say about gay men, such as yourself, in the military. To them, you are evil and Bradley (Chelsea) Manning is a hero.
    What absolute bunk. I lived in Berkeley and had military and non military friends there and nothing you're saying reflects reality so much as it reflects the villainous picture painted of the Bay Area by right wing pundits as wholly anti-American.
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    What absolute bunk. I lived in Berkeley and had military and non military friends there and nothing you're saying reflects reality so much as it reflects the villainous picture painted of the Bay Area by right wing pundits as wholly anti-American.
    I respectfully disagree with your view, but let's just leave it at that and let the thread go back to topic.
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    I have insurance thru my job and I would gather most people do. I think the biggest issue is the cost of healthcare and the over priced services we are charged. My local dr wants me to get bloodwork done ever 4 months and I can promise you the dr i visit out of town yearly will not use any of the test my local uses, even though its the same test, they always want their own. I asked them who do you all think has to pay all these bills and they just smile and say "yeah i know its expensive". Its like one author, not sure who, said, you dont get a "menu" of the services you need from surrounding hospitals and do comparison shopping. Bloodwork here is $500 and the next town over is $350, will you all price match?? Who do I need to talk to haggle over prices? Do you run sales on major services? Is there a coupon in the local ad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    Sorry to go off topic, [Text: Removed]

    Please don't bite the hand that feeds you. The Republican party has been, & continues to be, a staunch supporter of the military. Democrats favor shrinking the military (the far left Democrats would probably prefer to get rid of the military altogether). In other words, Democrats left to their devices would love nothing more than to get rid of your job.

    You really don't want to know what the gay liberals in Berkley & San Francisco say about gay men, such as yourself, in the military. To them, you are evil and Bradley (Chelsea) Manning is a hero.
    The Republican attitude toward the military is one of the strongest indications that there are very few conservatives any longer in the GOP. The actual conservative position on the military is that it should be small and used only for actual defense of the country and close allies, of which there should be few. Today's GOP seems to think the military should be ever larger, ever more powerful, and able to throw its weight around the world to get the country's way in things. That isn't a conservative position at all, but a fascist or imperialist one.

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    Re: Your premiums under the Affordable Health Care Act calculator

    It says I am not eligible for coverage.

    It says I can buy insurance under the exchange, but the lowest rate quoted exceeds my annual income!

    Health insurance, even under Obamacare, will cost more than every penny I make.

    I guess I'll have to pay the fine, and continue to go without health insurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justdra View Post
    I have insurance thru my job and I would gather most people do. I think the biggest issue is the cost of healthcare and the over priced services we are charged. My local dr wants me to get bloodwork done ever 4 months and I can promise you the dr i visit out of town yearly will not use any of the test my local uses, even though its the same test, they always want their own. I asked them who do you all think has to pay all these bills and they just smile and say "yeah i know its expensive". Its like one author, not sure who, said, you dont get a "menu" of the services you need from surrounding hospitals and do comparison shopping. Bloodwork here is $500 and the next town over is $350, will you all price match?? Who do I need to talk to haggle over prices? Do you run sales on major services? Is there a coupon in the local ad?
    Doctors will rely on blood work from any lab that's trusted, so long as it's current. Depending on what's under scrutiny, something two weeks old may not be helpful any more -- or even one week. When I was having some medication side effects once, I was getting blood drawn every other day so they could figure out what the frak was going on with my chemistry.

    I took care of having to get two tests done for two different doctors a while back by getting things scheduled so both regarded a single test as sufficiently current. It can be a headache making two doctor visits sufficiently close together for that to work, but I decided it was worth it. If you ask, my bet is that would work for you too. And if it doesn't, talk to your insurance company -- they'd love to admonish the doctors to work together on the scheduling, just to avoid paying a second lab bill once a year (especially at those prices).

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    I respectfully disagree with your view, but let's just leave it at that and let the thread go back to topic.
    Jayqueer you live in OC far far far away from the Bay. Are you now asserting that your Republican SoCal Immigrant family somehow makes you an Expert on San Francisco. I CALL BULLSHIT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Jayqueer you live in OC far far far away from the Bay. Are you now asserting that your Republican SoCal Immigrant family somehow makes you an Expert on San Francisco. I CALL BULLSHIT!
    As with most things he postulates upon, he is off base, out of touch, and generally has no idea what he talks about. Meh!

    For the record JQ, the military DOES need to shrink and in a massive way. Additionally, health care, if done progressively, could be the best damn system on earth.

    P.S. I sure hope your hapless idiot party succeeds in shutting down the government. As soon as the red state welfare recipients lose all those cash bene's the red party lies will be fully on expose. Then hopefully they can be run from office so the democrats can become the corrupt with power party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    As with most things he postulates upon, he is off base, out of touch, and generally has no idea what he talks about. Meh!

    For the record JQ, the military DOES need to shrink and in a massive way. Additionally, health care, if done progressively, could be the best damn system on earth.

    P.S. I sure hope your hapless idiot party succeeds in shutting down the government. As soon as the red state welfare recipients lose all those cash bene's the red party lies will be fully on expose. Then hopefully they can be run from office so the democrats can become the corrupt with power party.

    RANT OVER
    Every single discussion I ever heard in the Bay Area near someone in the military went like this:

    "Why'd you join the military?"

    "I wanted help with college money."

    "Oh."

    End of conversation. This Bill O'Reilly/Sarah Palin/Michael Savage inspired picture of the America-hating Bay Area is largely myth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Every single discussion I ever heard in the Bay Area near someone in the military went like this:

    "Why'd you join the military?"

    "I wanted help with college money."

    "Oh."

    End of conversation. This Bill O'Reilly/Sarah Palin/Michael Savage inspired picture of the America-hating Bay Area is largely myth.
    I am sure there are 95% of folks who could care less one way or another. However until you have driven into your office and had to clear hundreds of cardboard coffins then you get an idea of a liberal protest area. Lawrence is like that around here. Still JQ speaks of that which he has no clue, as is usual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Every single discussion I ever heard in the Bay Area near someone in the military went like this:

    "Why'd you join the military?"

    "I wanted help with college money."

    "Oh."

    End of conversation. This Bill O'Reilly/Sarah Palin/Michael Savage inspired picture of the America-hating Bay Area is largely myth.
    Two of my sisters went to college in the Bay Area (Quite shocking for nice Texas girls) If I had known better I'd have followed them instead of going to school in Dallas.

    I would have been a much happier godless faggot much sooner. C'est la vie. At least I knew better than to go to Baylor like my Baptist relatives wanted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Every single discussion I ever heard in the Bay Area near someone in the military went like this:

    "Why'd you join the military?"

    "I wanted help with college money."

    "Oh."
    So they joined the military because they wanted a handout (i.e., free money for college), not because they felt like they wanted to serve their country first & foremost?

    Typical.
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    So they joined the military because they wanted a handout (i.e., free money for college), not because they felt like they wanted to serve their country first & foremost?

    Typical.
    I have news for you JayQueer. It's why most people go. You think they go for the great pay or to die in some conflict like Iraq? Dream on.

    What's "typical" is a neocon like yourself describing a legal benefit (and it ain't much sweetie, you aren't getting ANY free rides through college on it these days) to serving in the military as a "free handout" after someone signs away 3 years of their life and could die during that time. What nerve you have to call that a handout.

    What did you go to school for, and what sacrifice did you make as an affluent Orange County resident for it?
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    What did you go to school for, and what sacrifice did you make as an affluent Orange County resident for it?
    This conversation is moving from a conversation/debate into personal attacks, and I'm not going to engage with you if you insult my character or make personal attacks towards me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    This conversation is moving from a conversation/debate into personal attacks, and I'm not going to engage with you if you insult my character or make personal attacks towards me.
    How is pointing out that you live a sheltered existence a "personal attack" when you call out service members who risk their very existence as "looking for a handout?" Is that how the right "supports" the military these days?

    My Gramps went to college on the GI bill after fighting in WW2 - I suppose he was just some kind of welfare leech "looking for a handout."

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    Makes me really freaking angry that I had friends in college who were 3 years older than me because they'd served in the military, STILL worked a job while in school, and had debt on top of that, and some affluent O.C. Republican comes in and says they were taking free handouts. One even had to declare bankruptcy before graduating because he was just crushed with debt, even with the military financial aid, which as I mentioned, is pathetic compared to the cost of an education today.

    So JayQueer unless you have some really impressive resume that would remotely justify your denigration of these people as people who somehow just took something for nothing after giving away 3 years of their lives, and we know you don't, what I asked you was perfectly fair.

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    I'm offended he called it a "handout." It's a fucking BENEFIT that should be much larger than it is.
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    All, All, of these give-ways will necessarily be from borrowed money when we are already running trillion dollar deficit (borrowed). What happens to the system and our health care when the Chinese stop subsidizing our ponzi scheme?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    All, All, of these give-ways will necessarily be from borrowed money when we are already running trillion dollar deficit (borrowed). What happens to the system and our health care when the Chinese stop subsidizing our ponzi scheme?
    All....no ALL of universal health care could be paid for if the US started beating swords into plough shares and diverted some of the hundreds and hundreds of billions it pours into the military industrial complex into health and education and if it shifted away from the rapacious rip-off of private insurers and for-profit hospitals using human life and health as a get rich quick scheme.

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    In England we pay for virtually nothing people making 20,000 £ A YEAR PAY 22% TAX HIGH SALARIES AVERAGE 32% BUT IT IS WORTH IT. The only thing you pay is £7.50 (about $11.00) per prescription. You can pay £10.40 for 10 months each year and then get two or more prescript a month no extra charge. Once you hit 60 even medicine is free. I fractured my arm went to the emergency. They took care of it but wanted me to go to another hospital. I said I know how to get there tehys aid go outside there is a taxi that will take you for free. SO happy to be in UK

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    Please don't bite the hand that feeds you. The Republican party has been, & continues to be, a staunch supporter of the military. Democrats favor shrinking the military (the far left Democrats would probably prefer to get rid of the military altogether). In other words, Democrats left to their devices would love nothing more than to get rid of your job.

    You really don't want to know what the gay liberals in Berkley & San Francisco say about gay men, such as yourself, in the military. To them, you are evil and Bradley (Chelsea) Manning is a hero.

    someone using the military as a political shield just shows how big of a coward they are that they cant fight their own battles.

    leave it to republicans to drag the military into a political battle, Bush did it and thousands of Americans and countless innocent humans died because of your idea.


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    Sorry to go off topic, [Text: Removed]

    Please don't bite the hand that feeds you. The Republican party has been, & continues to be, a staunch supporter of the military. Democrats favor shrinking the military (the far left Democrats would probably prefer to get rid of the military altogether). In other words, Democrats left to their devices would love nothing more than to get rid of your job.

    You really don't want to know what the gay liberals in Berkley & San Francisco say about gay men, such as yourself, in the military. To them, you are evil and Bradley (Chelsea) Manning is a hero.
    bs. the military should be shrunk not because its evil but because its bloated as hell and a big part of the reason the US has a lot of debt. it's double the cost it was a decade ago and a lot of waste goes into military contracts with companies like lockheed.

    before the bush tax cuts and war in iraq we were on target for a surplus, even with the high rise in healthcare costs.

    and it's the liberals that want to support the vets. republicans like to make lip service to the military but they consistently cut spending on veterans benefits specifically, and more generally the medical and safety net programs vets rely on when they come back home. their interest isn't in supporting the troops, it's in supporting the contractors.

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    I'm all for a national healthcare system. But this has been a marketing catastrophe. It looks more complicated than what we're used to having. And that is not really Obama's fault, since this version of Obamacare is not the version he really wanted for us, but is the only version the GOP was willing to give him (and since have tried to retract 42 times). A shame it's not going to be anywhere near as simple, nor beneficial, as in other countries where it is a big success. It looks like just another thing that Americans will need to stress over, which is not the real intent of a good national healthcare system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    So they joined the military because they wanted a handout (i.e., free money for college), not because they felt like they wanted to serve their country first & foremost?

    Typical.
    "Free" money for college?

    That is so bloody clueless....

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    This conversation is moving from a conversation/debate into personal attacks, and I'm not going to engage with you if you insult my character or make personal attacks towards me.
    You already began attacks with your snide "typical" remark. But I saw no personal attack on you, though you certainly invited some.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Maybe my dad was right: the way to do universal health care would be to require three years of military service from everyone, and then just expand the V.A.

    Maybe then some people would actually appreciate reality.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    It says I am not eligible for coverage.

    It says I can buy insurance under the exchange, but the lowest rate quoted exceeds my annual income!

    Health insurance, even under Obamacare, will cost more than every penny I make.

    I guess I'll have to pay the fine, and continue to go without health insurance.
    Then you will qualify for Medicaid, yes? Assuming of course you governor isn't a teabagger who refuses to sign on to the Affordable Health Care Act out of contempt for Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I have news for you JayQueer. It's why most people go. You think they go for the great pay or to die in some conflict like Iraq? Dream on.

    What's "typical" is a neocon like yourself describing a legal benefit (and it ain't much sweetie, you aren't getting ANY free rides through college on it these days) to serving in the military as a "free handout" after someone signs away 3 years of their life and could die during that time. What nerve you have to call that a handout.

    What did you go to school for, and what sacrifice did you make as an affluent Orange County resident for it?
    You can attend many institutions with the current GI Bill. It now goes for four years and provides a housing stipend. If a person cant find a quality education for the money offered then they are simply choosing a name school or ivy league and not the education. In Cali, perhaps the exorbitant living cost would prevent that but place of living is a choice.

    That is my only critique. You are spot on about JQ deriding people with a thousand times more honor and courage offering the biggest sacrifice of all for their goals. JQ, I assure you the end result of someone looking for a handout are people like Manning and Alexis because the tempo and rigors of service require you have someplace deep to dig into when getting the job done.

    Interesting story that exemplifies this idea. Another guy just looking for a free education because his family couldn't afford to do it was Dwight D Eisenhower. I toured his home, museum and Presidential Library today. He came from humble surroundings in Abilene, Kansas. His family was Menonite - which are pacifist who do not believe in the military or war. So by JQ's estimation one of the greatest men ever to both lead men in war and lead this country, well he was just a loser looking for a handout.
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    Then you will qualify for Medicaid, yes? Assuming of course you governor isn't a teabagger who refuses to sign on to the Affordable Health Care Act out of contempt for Obama.
    The Republican governor is OK with it, but the Republican state house and senate will not allow it out of contempt for Obama.

    That's one of many problems with this stupid law. It still leaves tens of millions of people uncovered - even in states where the Medicaid expansion will take place, millions of people will not be covered. This is not universal health care. America continues to provide health care mostly for the rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiff View Post
    I'm all for a national healthcare system. But this has been a marketing catastrophe.
    It is astonishing how poorly the Obama administration has defended Obamacare. They give the impression that they do not believe in it themselves (which perhaps they don't, since it is the Republican plan).


    Quote Originally Posted by Spiff View Post
    It looks more complicated than what we're used to having. And that is not really Obama's fault, since this version of Obamacare is not the version he really wanted for us, but is the only version the GOP was willing to give him (and since have tried to retract 42 times).
    The stupidity of the plan is partly Obama's fault. He threw out majorly important parts of the plan (such as the public option) with no discussion, in the hopes of getting Republican votes. In the end, he didn't get a single Republican vote. Not one. He gutted his own plan for no reason whatsoever.

    You could argue that the president nobly tried to be bipartisan; but it was obvious to most of us watching from outside Washington that the Republicans were not going to support him no matter what he did. I don't think it is correct to argue that the current plan is "the only version the GOP was willing to give him" since the GOP was never willing to give him anything. That the president continues to fail to understand this amazes me.


    Quote Originally Posted by Spiff View Post
    A shame it's not going to be anywhere near as simple, nor beneficial, as in other countries where it is a big success. It looks like just another thing that Americans will need to stress over, which is not the real intent of a good national healthcare system.
    Exactly. Nor will it be nearly as cheap.

    We could have saved so much money with health care reform and done so much good for so many people. What we've got instead is the Heritage Foundation's plan, which is complicated, designed for rich people and the medical industry, and leaves millions of people uncovered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    You could argue that the president nobly tried to be bipartisan; but it was obvious to most of us watching from outside Washington that the Republicans were not going to support him no matter what he did. I don't think it is correct to argue that the current plan is "the only version the GOP was willing to give him" since the GOP was never willing to give him anything. That the president continues to fail to understand this amazes me.
    I agree with you that this is what happened, and I think the sophomoric behavior of the GOP was an almost complete and utter shock for Obama, and I think it was his first major learning curve in office: you can't calmly sit down and reason with the GOP as a group of adults.

    You're right that those of us who have watched the GOP since at least Bush's first term knew that they were not going to cooperate with him on *anything, he was guilty of being a little too optimistic and having too much faith that the GOP would be willing to come to the table and help govern as adults with him. He learned otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bendted View Post
    Then you will qualify for Medicaid, yes? Assuming of course you governor isn't a teabagger who refuses to sign on to the Affordable Health Care Act out of contempt for Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    The Republican governor is OK with it, but the Republican state house and senate will not allow it out of contempt for Obama.

    That's one of many problems with this stupid law. It still leaves tens of millions of people uncovered - even in states where the Medicaid expansion will take place, millions of people will not be covered. This is not universal health care. America continues to provide health care mostly for the rich.
    I should add that one of the ironies here is that I will be fined because I am too poor to afford health insurance.

    Not only will I continue to suffer from lack of coverage and be subjected to the very much higher health care costs that cash-paying customers get billed, but I will be penalized because I am poor, and the fines I pay will be used to help provide health insurance for rich people.

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    I remain astounded that the 'deal' has costs associated that blow my mind. I keep telling myself that it is because I have had 100% employer provided care for my adult life. Still the costs looks forbiddingly high to me. The cost for my family insurance would be 20% of my income. That is how much one should put towards their home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I remain astounded that the 'deal' has costs associated that blow my mind. I keep telling myself that it is because I have had 100% employer provided care for my adult life. Still the costs looks forbiddingly high to me. The cost for my family insurance would be 20% of my income. That is how much one should put towards their home.
    If I understand the numbers correctly that is exactly in line what what part of our GDP we're putting towards healthcare nationally.

    As frightening as that is.

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    ^ That is correct.

    And it is twice what any other nation on earth spends on health care.

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    ^ That is correct.

    And it is twice what any other nation on earth spends on health care.
    For less care and higher dissatisfaction with the care we receive.

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    It is astonishing how poorly the Obama administration has defended Obamacare.
    No, it isn't. He's too much the professor to be able to grasp that people don't bother to actually think about it, and that the lies the GOP makes up are actually received as truth.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Lot's of people will have to pay the penalty because they will not be able to afford the insurance. But that's OK.

    The word 'affordable' is only in the formal name of the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    It says I am not eligible for coverage.

    It says I can buy insurance under the exchange, but the lowest rate quoted exceeds my annual income!

    Health insurance, even under Obamacare, will cost more than every penny I make.

    I guess I'll have to pay the fine, and continue to go without health insurance.
    ... you're finally understanding Obamacare. When it goes bankrupt it will also take down Medicare and Medicaid and you'll have the government managed health care that you've always wanted. I'm just not sure how many years that will be.

    You'll pay an extra 1% tax in 2014 and 2.5% tax in 2016 for not being able to afford health insurance.

    Huge mess.

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    Exactly, Springer. I'm glad you see the problem of private insurance for what it is and now realize that properly-implemented single-payer universal healthcare is our only option.

    /unlikely situation
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    ^ Yup.

    So Jack, why'd your party block the single payer system again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    ^ Yup.

    So Jack, why'd your party block the single payer system again?
    Because socialism!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mightbe View Post
    Exactly, Springer. I'm glad you see the problem of private insurance for what it is and now realize that properly-implemented single-payer universal healthcare is our only option.

    /unlikely situation
    Obamacare will kill private insurance companies. You think the government will be able to manage your healthcare when they can't do complete investigations for employees.

    The federal government's health care system will end up like Walmart -- something you hate.

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