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    What do you think about the pope's new issue?

    http://www.latimes.com/world/worldno...,2183109.story

    Basically speaking, the pope is faulting the church for focusing so much on homosexuality and abortion.

    Homosexuality isn't even mentioned in the new testament, and yet the church has treated it like it's part of the 10 commandments (even though it's not).

    From the pope's own mouth

    "A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality,” he told La Civilta Cattolica. “I replied with another question: 'Tell me, when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?'
    I actually take issue with his answer. This is pretty much the love-the-person-hate-the-sin bullshit that we've been hearing from bigots.

    Try to think of it this way. They go out by the masses to vote against our rights. They tell us they love us, but they deny us basic rights in society. Is that really love or just bullshit?

    I'm seriously thinking about marrying my boyfriend/partner. I can't really see myself leaving him anytime soon or ever. But for now as it stands, our union will not be recognized and something as simple as visitation rights will be like jumping through 20 hoops. How on this green earth is that them showing they love us?

    I do give it to the pope for the following words.

    "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible," he said. "The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear, and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time."
    He's right. Homosexuality isn't even on the 10 commandments and it doesn't even show up in the new testament. The only parts of the bible it showed up was in the old testament right next to putting your neighbor to death for eating shellfish. And yet for decades the church has treated it like murder.

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    Re: What do you think about the pope's new issue?

    Bottom line...organized religion exists to control the masses...and I am not so sure it is really a bad idea sometimes....

    Fear is a wonderful tool and homosexuality is a wonderful scapegoat...

    Shame and guilt are two other fabulous and effective tools used to control people and the Catholic Church wrote the book on it....

    ...but alas...I am a Pagan...and what the church says about anything has no value for me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    Bottom line...organized religion exists to control the masses...and I am not so sure it is really a bad idea sometimes....

    Fear is a wonderful tool and homosexuality is a wonderful scapegoat...

    ...but alas...I am a Pagan...and what the church says about anything has no value for me....
    Well, it should have some value to you simply because they have direct influence over the quality of your life. They have a lot of sheeps to control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombiekiller View Post
    Well, it should have some value to you simply because they have direct influence over the quality of your life. They have a lot of sheeps to control.
    Yeah...but it doesn't. That is why being gay is a complete non issue for me.....

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    I thought he had just given birth ....

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    Re: What do you think about the pope's new issue?

    What do you think about the pope's new issue?
    No idea - I don't subscribe.

    I think the pope is doing the right thing, and doing it the right way. He may be the pontiff, but I doubt he can reverse several centuries of ingrained homophobia in the Church simply by announcing "Gays are now OK". That would simply lead to huge arguments throughout the faith, and possibly with his removal (at which point he'd be replaced with a more "traditional" pontiff). I think this pope can in fact be the effect of some hefty change within the Church. But he can't jump to the finish line. He has to lead the church there. And his comments make sense within that context. He is asking people Catholics to reflect specifically on how Jesus and God would treat homosexuals, and suggesting that they focus on other, more pressing concerns. I think that's the best first step.

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    Re: What do you think about the pope's new issue?

    I don't think the Catholic Church will be changing its' policies on abortion and homosexuality any time soon. Having a new PR person isn't going to change things overnight.
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    Re: What do you think about the pope's new issue?

    He might be at the top of the steaming pile of excrement, but it's his army of cockroaches who are doing the daily work of keeping people feeling guilty about the shit they're wallowing in.


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    Re: What do you think about the pope's new issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by zombiekiller View Post
    http://www.latimes.com/world/worldno...,2183109.story

    Basically speaking, the pope is faulting the church for focusing so much on homosexuality and abortion.

    Homosexuality isn't even mentioned in the new testament, and yet the church has treated it like it's part of the 10 commandments (even though it's not).

    From the pope's own mouth



    I actually take issue with his answer. This is pretty much the love-the-person-hate-the-sin bullshit that we've been hearing from bigots.

    Try to think of it this way. They go out by the masses to vote against our rights. They tell us they love us, but they deny us basic rights in society. Is that really love or just bullshit?

    I'm seriously thinking about marrying my boyfriend/partner. I can't really see myself leaving him anytime soon or ever. But for now as it stands, our union will not be recognized and something as simple as visitation rights will be like jumping through 20 hoops. How on this green earth is that them showing they love us?

    I do give it to the pope for the following words.



    He's right. Homosexuality isn't even on the 10 commandments and it doesn't even show up in the new testament. The only parts of the bible it showed up was in the old testament right next to putting your neighbor to death for eating shellfish. And yet for decades the church has treated it like murder.
    I don't think he hates gays.

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    Sounds like a good dude.

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    I don't think he hates gays.
    Again, it doesn't matter if he hates gays or not. What matters is what happens to gays under his policies.

    Try to think of it this way. I used to have a friend that was against all forms of gay unions and benefits. She was so much against it that she even went out of her way to campaign against not just gay marriage but any kind of domestic partnership benefits like health care and visitation rights. You think she hates gays, right? Nope. She was probably the most gay friendly person I knew at the time. She even went to gay bars on a regular basis. She was as pro-gay as anyone could be. She was just extremely anti-gay rights.

    So, the question really isn't does she hate gay people. I personally don't believe for a moment that she hated me. Yet, at the same time, her actions harm me directly.

    You can love someone and harm them directly, you know.

    And this is the attitude that a lot of homophobes try to take because it is more politically correct. Rather than say "we hate fags", they say "we love fags, but we hate the faggory ways".

    Going back to the pope, no, I don't think the pope hates us. At the same time, he can actually do more damage to our lives being that way than if he just came out and say "I hate fags".

    A fake ally can do a lot more damage than a full blown enemy. With the enemy, at least you know to keep a watch on them. But the fake ally can stab you in the back any time.

    Just sayin'. I'm not so sure it's a good idea for us to celebrate now. Yes, the pope could be taking the first step toward leading the charge to the 21st century. Or he could be using a new strategy. Let me explain.

    I have a gay friend. About 2 years ago, he joined this church which was all welcoming. He kept telling me how great the people of the church was and how welcoming they made him feel. So, he brought me to one of the services. A red flag in me was raised when I heard "god loves you, but..." and the pastor went on to talking about sins. You know, the typical god loves you but hate your sins.

    Sure enough, about a month after that, my friend started telling people he was no longer gay. When people asked him why, he said he found jesus. Trust me, knowing this guy, he would have to take Viagra to get an erection from a woman.

    Nowadays, he doesn't date, at all. Why? Because homosexuality is a sin and women actually are repulsive to him. So, he doesn't date at all. And he still tells people he found jesus and jesus tells him to stop sinning (meaning stop being a homo).

    What's the moral of the story? The Christians that are pretending to be accepting and friendly can actually do more harm to us than the Christians that are holding the "god hates fags" signs.

    Where will the pope lead the church from here? I don't know. All I'm saying is this could be a new strategy toward the so-called gay problem.

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    ^^^ I dread the day the Catholic Church embraces us^^^

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    ^^^ I dread the day the Catholic Church embraces us^^^
    Don't get me wrong. If one day the catholic church embraces us (for real), I think that would be awesome.

    But we should approach it with caution.

    Again, going back to the example with my friend. That church would not have been able to turn him straight or at least make him stop dating men had they been all "we hate fags". This particular church knew to reel them in with messages of love and acceptance and then once the trust is there turn them.

    Even my own sister I can't trust. She's a devout catholic. Also the first person in the family I came out to. She was vocal about believing I was just going through a phase for about 2 years. Then she stopped saying it and started claiming she was all accepting. Well, lately, she's been putting in sentences in our convos like "there's still hope for you" and "I really like that Melissa girl, you still see her?" One time, I let it slip that I used to date girls, she said "oh, good!"

    The church is many things. But they have made it abundantly clear that they are not our ally. If they want to earn my trust, it will take more than just messages of acceptance.

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    What do I think of the Pope's latest comments? I think that it is a breath of fresh air. He isn't changing any of the rules, but he is changing the emphasis on them. It will be interesting to see how this plays out over time. We will have to wait and see. The Catholic Church has been losing Americans and young Americans for a generation, partially because of divorce and birth control. He can't be any worse than the recent past and is probably much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    ...organized religion exists to control the masses.....
    Yes. It is just like Political Correctness. It is just rules handed down by the elite so the masses don't have to think for themselves.
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    Tsk, tsk, tsk.

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    The pope doesn't have the power to change the Church's attitude on homosexuality even if he wanted to. He's already done and said too many radical things (good things) without any gravitas or political capital to spend. I really doubt the bishops take this pope seriously. They will continue the gay bashing as usual.

    Francis can continue on this path, and I hope that he does. With all his humility he is practically unassailable, and therefore the bishops won't criticize him openly to a large extent.
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    Re: What do you think about the pope's new issue?

    I think the pope has been very controversial lately. He claimed to have no problem with homosexuality (as long as the gay person is a devoted Christian though - a bit minus point), openly gay priests, abortion, and atheism (this one, he said that atheists can still go to heaven if they're devoted to their beliefs - a bit weird). Quite a positive thing, though, if you ask me.

    The minus point is however he persists the idea of not having women as cardinals or high priestesses, claiming that 'it has been like that for centuries and will be for the next centuries', although he added that women play important roles in the church and can take various roles besides the ones mentioned. Still sexist to a degree, I see.
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    Re: What do you think about the pope's new issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    The pope doesn't have the power to change the Church's attitude on homosexuality even if he wanted to. He's already done and said too many radical things (good things) without any gravitas or political capital to spend. I really doubt the bishops take this pope seriously. They will continue the gay bashing as usual.

    Francis can continue on this path, and I hope that he does. With all his humility he is practically unassailable, and therefore the bishops won't criticize him openly to a large extent.
    Just like in a huge international conglomerate , where the CEO appoints heads of depts . Francis is the one to elevate priests to the Red-Robes .
    He is a far from stupid man , and if anyone thinks he is , remember the order he was ordained into . If he can gradually steer the choice of younger more "radical" Bishops in positions of real power . Then perhaps he may yet surprise you .

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    All you Catholics better KEEP on PRAYING!

    Or you better start finding some good excuses for when your god takes you on your Day of Judgement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    Just like in a huge international conglomerate , where the CEO appoints heads of depts . Francis is the one to elevate priests to the Red-Robes .
    He is a far from stupid man , and if anyone thinks he is , remember the order he was ordained into . If he can gradually steer the choice of younger more "radical" Bishops in positions of real power . Then perhaps he may yet surprise you .
    He won't have enough time. Perhaps if he were a decade younger.

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    It's a cool idea and I really hope he succeeds in stopping people from taking potshots at us and actually try and help the poor for a change but I still prefer science

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    If I were not an atheist to be a Christian in most religions when your gay would never work for me. I had two very very hot guys Mormons come to my door. I said no way I would join your church I am gay. one of them said I was gay before you can change. I said come in here for 15 min you will be gay again buddy. They lef! I could never belong to a religion that says god loves you not your sin be celibate.

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    Re: What do you think about the pope's new issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by zombiekiller View Post
    And this is the attitude that a lot of homophobes try to take because it is more politically correct. Rather than say "we hate fags", they say "we love fags, but we hate the faggory ways".
    Well

    The way I see it is this:

    1. In the Bible, Mr God loves testing the faith of his people. There are numerous examples of this.
    2. Being challenged in whatever way is seen as another way to test your faith. You're blind and life is hard - do you give up your faith, or do you persevere knowing the rewards in the next life (allegedly) far outweigh the pain of this one?
    3. Being tempted is another favourite - do you succumb, or does it make your faith and will to be better even stronger?

    So perhaps being gay is our cross to bear, our temptation, our challenge. Perhaps Mr God really does want us to fight it and not succumb, and not lie with another man as we would with a woman. Being sexless (as in being a non-practicing gay) won't kill you; plenty of people are celibate either through choice or circumstance and don't drop off as a result of it. So if we practice, we are being willfully and persistently disobedient, and should be subject to all the fury Mr God will throw at us when we die.

    Personally, I can't reconcile that with the image of Mr God being a loving and forgiving master. But those do seem to be the rules as laid out in The Book, so...

    I'm amazed by the guys who can have a faith and still be willfully and persistently disobedient by ignoring the relevant parts of The Book. I don't know how they can reconcile the two ideas. I like to think that believers would do what The Book says, not pick and choose the parts which suit them in a sort of Christianity-lite kind of way. I mean, if you choose to break certain part of the law in your country and you get caught, you get nailed. Personally I don't believe religion should be any different.

    But since are there are so many contradictory parts to The Book, I find it more logical to just be a non-believer.

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    Interesting stance I have to say... He is not really endorsing the Anti-LGBT hate groups either with his statement!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    The pope doesn't have the power to change the Church's attitude on homosexuality even if he wanted to. He's already done and said too many radical things (good things) without any gravitas or political capital to spend. I really doubt the bishops take this pope seriously. They will continue the gay bashing as usual.

    Francis can continue on this path, and I hope that he does. With all his humility he is practically unassailable, and therefore the bishops won't criticize him openly to a large extent.
    Er, his office IS gravitas.

    The length of his reign will determine the extent of his lasting power. Pope John XXIII convened Vatican II, and the waves it began are still churning.

    Catholicism cannot be wished away or dismissed simply because this or that movement sees it as obsolete, out of touch, or repressive. Its adherents are under no delusions where corruption or hypocrisy are concerned: they see it from low to high. Yet, every institution has myriad flaws. History continues to prove Catholicism doesn't have fatal flaws. It's numbers increase while it remains the largest order of Christianity on the planet.

    The notion that gays and gay allies are going to somehow usher in the HRCC's apocalypse is intentionally ignorant of the global marginalization of gays and the tenacity of Catholicism. To see Pope Francis' alliance with gays as a shrewd by cynical political move is to impute a need that Catholicism does not have.

    The shrill Fundamentalists are outstripping their Protestant brethren by leaps and bounds and their (Fundamentalist) rhetoric goes unabated on the gay issue. The Catholics have no need to be pro-gay to attract adherents.

    If Pope Francis is a gay ally, and he appears to be, the objections or resentments of vehemently anti-Christian LGBT individuals will not change the fact that he is indeed an ally.

    The repeated notion on JUB that we get to vote in (by sentiment or popularity) who gets to be counted as a gay icon, or in this case, an ally, is comical. People are who they are, alliances and politics are what they are, and it really isn't going to be affected by a being malcontent or peevish about it.

    I'm reminded of the kidnapping of Patty Hearst by the SLA. Her "captors" demanded a donation of $1 million dollars worth of food to be distributed to the poor. The Hearst family complied. The evening news aired footage of an 18-wheeler open with staff handing out boxes of food like the food banks give away. One woman was walking away with a box load of food and petulantly complained to the camera in rank ingratitude, "it still ain't enough!"

    It's progress. Take your box of food already.
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    ^^

    I know it's progress. But at the same time, it's very very little progress considering the times. The homophobia displayed by the church is staggering at this point in time. This is not 1950. This is 2013, soon to be 2014.

    Going back to your box of food example, what we're getting from the pope isn't a box of food. It's more like half a piece of candy.

    Remember jim crow and segregation? I'm sure there were plenty of people back then telling black folks to just take it because it was progress from slavery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbeltninja View Post
    But since are there are so many contradictory parts to The Book, I find it more logical to just be a non-believer.
    It's not so much that they are contradictory as they are translated according to the mores of the day. Whichever issue is the 'talk of the town' becomes the 'sin of the day', and the translations reflect that.

    The word 'unclean' in Leviticus 18:22, for instance, has been translated as 'an abomination', 'an unforgivable sin', and any number of other dastardly terms used in the various versions of the Bible. In fact, the original Hebrew says that 2 men should not share a marital bed. It's not a sin. It's just 'unclean'. God isn't saying that 2 men shouldn't have sex together. He's just saying they shouldn't have it in a marital bed. It's the human translators who have turned it into a sin.

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    Re: What do you think about the pope's new issue?

    Bah.

    It isn't realistic for a pope to turn around and say gay is ok, his hateful sheep (read a good chunk of them) would turn thier backs on him. But at least he is taking a step in the right direction.

    As for does the bible say gay is wrong? Yes, you can interpret it differently if you want, but then I think you're as bad as the bible badgers that take other more innocuous verses and repurpose those against whatever it is they are hating on. That said, the bible says a whole lot of things are dirty and wrong that are just plain silly. Point being a lot of the teachings of the bible are outdated, and should be left in the past. The message we should take from it if we believe, is that of love and forgiveness.
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    One thing we need to remember is that the Catholic Church is a HUGE organization. I look at Pope Francis and I am astounded by how much he is bringing them forward. I realize that he is NOT where we want him to be, BUT he's a lot further along in the process and the discussions than his predecessor was. He is only 76. He could easily live another 20 years. And who knows how far he can take the Church in 20 years?

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    Baby steps to change is how I see it.

    I think as the younger generation of religious church goers take over the church, acceptance will be preached and policies might even change. I was a Catholic who went to church for the first 18 years of my life and I see that the 30 and younger crowd tends to be for gay rights and equality. I still know many devout (younger) Catholics who preach acceptance and are very liberal when it comes to social policies. I was talking to my cousin, who is a devout Catholic, and she referred me to a church that has a group for LGBT + Allies. Of course I didn't go, but I do think there is a good chance for religion to change its views and policies in a few decades.

    You can continue spiting the pope for his half-assed (at least that's how it seems that you're perceiving it) statement, but spite him less because what he's saying and doing should be commended, even if it's not exactly where we want his (or everyone's) stance to be at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    Er, his office IS gravitas.

    The length of his reign will determine the extent of his lasting power. Pope John XXIII convened Vatican II, and the waves it began are still churning.

    Catholicism cannot be wished away or dismissed simply because this or that movement sees it as obsolete, out of touch, or repressive. Its adherents are under no delusions where corruption or hypocrisy are concerned: they see it from low to high. Yet, every institution has myriad flaws. History continues to prove Catholicism doesn't have fatal flaws. It's numbers increase while it remains the largest order of Christianity on the planet.

    The notion that gays and gay allies are going to somehow usher in the HRCC's apocalypse is intentionally ignorant of the global marginalization of gays and the tenacity of Catholicism. To see Pope Francis' alliance with gays as a shrewd by cynical political move is to impute a need that Catholicism does not have.

    The shrill Fundamentalists are outstripping their Protestant brethren by leaps and bounds and their (Fundamentalist) rhetoric goes unabated on the gay issue. The Catholics have no need to be pro-gay to attract adherents.

    If Pope Francis is a gay ally, and he appears to be, the objections or resentments of vehemently anti-Christian LGBT individuals will not change the fact that he is indeed an ally.

    The repeated notion on JUB that we get to vote in (by sentiment or popularity) who gets to be counted as a gay icon, or in this case, an ally, is comical. People are who they are, alliances and politics are what they are, and it really isn't going to be affected by a being malcontent or peevish about it.

    I'm reminded of the kidnapping of Patty Hearst by the SLA. Her "captors" demanded a donation of $1 million dollars worth of food to be distributed to the poor. The Hearst family complied. The evening news aired footage of an 18-wheeler open with staff handing out boxes of food like the food banks give away. One woman was walking away with a box load of food and petulantly complained to the camera in rank ingratitude, "it still ain't enough!"

    It's progress. Take your box of food already.

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    Not for the timid, Al, not for the timid.

    Imagine some thoughts requiring longer consideration and treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    Not for the timid, Al, not for the timid.

    Imagine some thoughts requiring longer consideration and treatment.

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    Neo-Pelagian.
    If I were Francis I'd watch my back.
    http://www.theopedia.com/Pelagianism

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    ^Great point . He was a Celtic Monk . The Pagan Religion is still alive and strong here in Scotland .
    They even hold an annual fire festival at Carlton Hill , which overlooks Edinburgh . It is also the most infamous late-night cruising area in the city .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post


    He was only slightly more handsome than you, Youngun.

    Hey, I couldn't let your swipe go begging.

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    Ironically . . . or not:


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    Your Pope has just excommunicated one of his own.

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/ch...920-2u5jp.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    Ironically . . . or not:

    Gift or not, a wise husbandman will always quarantine a 'new' beast to make sure it is sound before allowing it to merge with other stock.

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    No one imagines that the Vatican has ceased to be the Vatican, only that the wars are not going to be pressed with the vigor of the past.

    The defrocked priest was allegedly booted for not ceasing and desisting.

    Once he was ordered to stop observing the mass publicly, he refused.

    The Catholic Church is nothing if it is not authoritarian. They clock in right behind the LDS, and probably excommunicate fewer than the Mormons. But, their learning is expansive and their politics more sage. Don't expect any public embrace from the LDS president anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahaih View Post
    Gift or not, a wise husbandman will always quarantine a 'new' beast to make sure it is sound before allowing it to merge with other stock.
    Conceded, but wait-and-see is different than being certain the well has been poisoned.

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    The thought of an old fart who maybe or maybe not has never has sex in his life telling me that I might or might not be accepted into the church is just wrong.
    I don't know what his intend or motivations are but I'm a skeptic

    I was a rebel when I was young because I refused to do my confirmation.......am I going to hell?




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    Politics.

    Gays do not behave with a hive mind (sorry Borg) but when we are perceived to do so, it harms our collective cause.

    When a political leader (in this case, a religio-political leader) spends political capital to endorse our plight, or even champion more acceptance for us, it ill-behooves us to spite that overture.

    It is a certainty that it will have a chilling effect on others who are testing the waters.

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    .
    Looking at the "big picture" the Pope is trying to convince young(er) people to return to the Church. Also, he would like to separate the Church from the Old Testament. The New Testament has been highly regarded as the Good News. From the Gospel of St. Luke: "And the angel said unto them (the shepherds) 'do not be afraid, for I bring you good news of great joy which shall come to all the people. For there has been born to you today, a savior who is Christ the Lord."

    To be said another way, Pope Francis would like to disassociate the Church from the wankers. He may have even seen this:



    or this:

    Last edited by chrisrobin; September 21st, 2013 at 08:57 AM.

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    Occasionally, by providence or otherwise, a reformer works his way to the top. Pope John XXIII pulled off the hat trick. If Francis is of that cut of cloth, hang on -- it's gonna be a bumpy ride.

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    ChrisRobin brings up a very salient part - the Old Testament vs. the New.
    The Old Testament, and the Talmud, started out as an oral tradition - passed down from generation to generation by mouth, not written word. How many of you played the "Whisper in the first kid's ear and pass it down to the last, then compare" in grammar school?
    What did you discover from that exercise? Add in personal biases of the particular purveyors of "God's" word and what do you wind up with?

    Leviticus would have us all dead - stoned for eating unclean meat (pork, shellfish, etc.) among other things. The original Kosher Laws were to try and keep sanitation and safe food among the people to minimize dysentery and other things.

    The new testament represents the Word of God from Jesus Christ - WRITTEN down within 50 years of Christ's resurrection into heaven. A LOT less time for corruption of the Word.

    Part of that Word may surprise you, if you are open to the interpretation, based on the common connotations of words in the original Greek.

    http://www.goodhopemcc.org/spiritual...hew-85-13.html

    A little more background vis. a vis. the Church and its members - for We ARE the Body and Blood of Christ.
    When the revised Lectionary/Order of Mass was promulgated, there was lively debate - some of the so-called-Conservative (I call pre-Vatican II thought minded, but nowhere near the Conservative as in What Would Jesus Do) members were actually promoting the idea of a Smaller but more faithful church. The word "catholic" means UNIVERSAL - ALL, EVERYONE. Their very thought processes are corrupt. Pope Francis is steering us back on the course from Christ, as intended in Vatican II reforms.

    Pat Grimshaw:
    Re: the excommunication of the priest - that does not surprise me, even as the second most powerful man in the Vatican has had conversations on the possibility of Married Priests. I live in a diocese that had a similar, very loving, active priest - his parish wound up forming their own church, using one of our local Schools of Music for their Sunday worship. He has ordained at least one woman priest.

    Spiritus Christi.

    Our Good (now retired) Bishop, found himself in the position of having to issue the same order - and he had parishioners with websites with countdown clocks counting the years, months, weeks, days, hours, and seconds until he retired because he was too liberal - when a Bishop attains mandatory retirement age (85?) he must tender his resignation. Normally, Rome leaves them in full office until a replacement is named. Pope Benedict and his minions immediately accepted his resignation, appoint the (more "conservative" Bishop of Syracuse) as our Parochial Administrator. Still no Bishop - I suspect because Francis put a hold on all such appointments that may have been in the works until HE knows the candidates hearts.

    Pope Francis is a breath of Fresh Air. I think we will be ecstatically happy in the long run.
    Yes, there are those, narrow-minded people who may leave the church - but there are just as many if not more who will flock to the church - or at least stand up and shout Hallelujah.

    Someone posted a chart of National Tolerance for Gay Marriage awhile back - the "Catholic" countries were the ones at the HIGH Acceptance % of the chart. We are not all the ignorant, illiterate peasants the Church once dominated. We can read and interpret Christ's teachings for ourselves.


    And I know, if I'll only be true, to this glorious quest . . .

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    Here's a link to Spiritus Christi for those interested.

    http://www.spirituschristi.org/spiri...g/Welcome.html


    And I know, if I'll only be true, to this glorious quest . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    No idea - I don't subscribe.

    I think the pope is doing the right thing, and doing it the right way. He may be the pontiff, but I doubt he can reverse several centuries of ingrained homophobia in the Church simply by announcing "Gays are now OK". That would simply lead to huge arguments throughout the faith, and possibly with his removal (at which point he'd be replaced with a more "traditional" pontiff). I think this pope can in fact be the effect of some hefty change within the Church. But he can't jump to the finish line. He has to lead the church there. And his comments make sense within that context. He is asking people Catholics to reflect specifically on how Jesus and God would treat homosexuals, and suggesting that they focus on other, more pressing concerns. I think that's the best first step.

    Lex
    When 'evangelicals' say "What would Jesus do?" it's almost always an intro to bringing in some legalism. But when a pope does it, well, the Roman Church is so steeped in legalism it tends to be a reach toward compassion and mercy.

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Your Pope has just excommunicated one of his own.

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/ch...920-2u5jp.html
    No excommunication without stated reason is valid.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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