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    Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    I watch 'The View' daily and Whoopi said the video game, released Sept 17th, made $800 million dollars on day one of being released.

    - The View has mentioned the game for the third day in a row. The Talk also mentioned it.

    - Why do people bother making movies? Video games are more lucrative

    - I have taken a two year vacation from playing video game. Technically its a birthday present for me so I havent opened the game yet. I havent played it.

    - Ill post some video when I have played the game and show that it really does show people how to kill people (not that that is what this thread is about, or is it?). Remember the terrorists used Microsoft Flight Simulator to help them learn to fly planes (as well as taking flying lessons)

    - On a personal note, I enjoy being on top of a building and shooting the rocket launcher down at the street and blowing up cars (and yeah, I use the sniper rifle to kill people too)

    - Movies are not the big money maker. A person will pay $10? to buy a ticket to see a movie or $60 to buy a video game.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Thoughts?

    A training ground (or 'idea' garden) for people who want to kill people.

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    Training and inspiration for people who want to harm others. The game should be banned.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    Thoughts?

    A training ground (or 'idea' garden) for people who want to kill people.
    This is as stupid as people who say violent movies are training tools for murderers.

    It makes me really angry when after a shooting the moronic media runs and points to something utterly asinine like "he LIKED Call of Duty on his Facebook six months ago!", ignoring the fact that multi MILLIONS Of people all over the planet also play Call of Duty and don't go shoot anyone. It is not a cause and it's probably not even an influence. Someone disturbed enough to go on a shooting rampage was disturbed prior to and separate from any videogames they played. There's no proof that videogames unhinge anyone or make them violent.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    I don't play game at all, so I have no idea what grand theft auto is. My nephew asked me for the game, so I bought it for him a couple months ago. Still don't have any idea what it is.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    This is as stupid as people who say violent movies are training tools for murderers.
    He asked for my thoughts and I gave them. Thank you for calling me 'stupid'.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    Thoughts?

    A training ground (or 'idea' garden) for people who want to kill people.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Training and inspiration for people who want to harm others. The game should be banned.
    Yeah, and porn is a training ground for those who want to rape people.

    Am I the only person who knows people who planned their year's vacation around this game? I'm covering for at least two people here who are spending a week (or two weeks) doing nothing but playing GTA V and eating pizza.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Violent entertainment teaches people to be violent as much as gay people being gay teaches children how to be to gay. Anyone blaming entertainment for actions of others are just lazy.
    Last edited by MakeDigitalLove; September 19th, 2013 at 11:39 AM.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    He asked for my thoughts and I gave them. Thank you for calling me 'stupid'.
    What you said was stupid. It's not supported by any facts and it's the lazy roll off the tongue explanation for violence that the media spoonfeeds to people. The only people who repeat it are people who don't videogame and apparently somehow magically think there's something different about games than about sports, movies, music, books or any other form of entertainment that somehow brainwashes or influences people to be violent or to lose their grip on what's okay in fiction is okay to translate into reality.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Unfortunately I cannot purchase this game yet, luckily I have others to hold me off until then. Cannot wait until the online starts in October.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    It's a trashy game, and it's unfortunate so many millions of people (mostly men) will be wasting their time playing it rather than engaging in so many more stimulating activities. Still, the sandbox technology is awesome, and I do respect the capacity the game is capable of for player freedom.
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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Not really a waste of time if the people enjoy their time with it.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Quote Originally Posted by MakeDigitalLove View Post
    Not really a waste of time if the people enjoy their time with it.
    What gets me about the waste of time criticism you frequently hear about games is that the people not gaming very frequently spend similar amounts of time on facebook, television shows, i-phone apps and similar. It's definitely a false choice when people act as though time people spend on videogames would have otherwise been spent on edification and intellectual pursuits.

    The only real difference from gaming and movies is that gaming requires participation from your brain and costs far less per hour of entertainment than going to or purchasing movies. (I guess unless you buy it and then watch it 10+ times).

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    I actually do read books far more often than playing video games OR watching TV...but I don't consider myself superior for doing so. That's just MY enjoyment. I see a lot of people getting a lot of enjoyment out of video games. Do they sometimes get angry and wrapped up in them? Of course. So do I with my books. I've cancelled a night out with somebody because I wanted to see how a book ended.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Quote Originally Posted by m1thousand View Post
    I watch 'The View' daily and Whoopi said the video game, released Sept 17th, made $800 million dollars on day one of being released.

    - The View has mentioned the game for the third day in a row. The Talk also mentioned it.

    - Why do people bother making movies? Video games are more lucrative

    - I have taken a two year vacation from playing video game. Technically its a birthday present for me so I havent opened the game yet. I havent played it.

    - Ill post some video when I have played the game and show that it really does show people how to kill people (not that that is what this thread is about, or is it?). Remember the terrorists used Microsoft Flight Simulator to help them learn to fly planes (as well as taking flying lessons)

    - On a personal note, I enjoy being on top of a building and shooting the rocket launcher down at the street and blowing up cars (and yeah, I use the sniper rifle to kill people too)

    - Movies are not the big money maker. A person will pay $10? to buy a ticket to see a movie or $60 to buy a video game.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    This is as stupid as people who say violent movies are training tools for murderers.

    It makes me really angry when after a shooting the moronic media runs and points to something utterly asinine like "he LIKED Call of Duty on his Facebook six months ago!", ignoring the fact that multi MILLIONS Of people all over the planet also play Call of Duty and don't go shoot anyone. It is not a cause and it's probably not even an influence. Someone disturbed enough to go on a shooting rampage was disturbed prior to and separate from any videogames they played. There's no proof that videogames unhinge anyone or make them violent.
    The mass murderer this week was hooked on violent video games. He played them for hours a day.

    There is no magic one item solution to end violence .. doing away with violent games would be a start. No one will suffer if they are banned -- which I realize will never happen.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The mass murderer this week was hooked on violent video games. He played them for hours a day.
    Because he enjoyed violent stuff. He was like that BEFORE he got violent video games. Playing the games neither fueled his violent behaviors nor quelled them. It gave him an outlet for them for awhile, but it eventually proved insufficient.

    There is no magic one item solution to end violence .. doing away with violent games would be a start. No one will suffer if they are banned -- which I realize will never happen.
    It wouldn't change the number of violent incidents in the world one iota.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The mass murderer this week was hooked on violent video games. He played them for hours a day.

    There is no magic one item solution to end violence .. doing away with violent games would be a start. No one will suffer if they are banned -- which I realize will never happen.
    Violence existed way before video games or any sort of violent entertainment did. Nothing will change if they are banned and people will just look for another scape goat rather then take responsibility for their problems or acknowledging that people themselves are the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakeDigitalLove View Post
    Violence existed way before video games or any sort of violent entertainment did. Nothing will change if they are banned and people will just look for another scape goat rather then take responsibility for their problems or acknowledging that people themselves are the problem.
    I don't think Jack is saying what you think he's saying. I don't think he's saying violent games make people violent.

    Just like everything else, I suspect that violent games is a tiny part of the cause of violence. But as people have pointed out, violence has existed for as long as there's been anything alive... or dead.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    You would be shocked to hear how guys talk when online. During a game, there can be 16 guys connected online.
    I heard a 12 year old British kid say n_gger and I said "do you know the meaning of that word?" He didn't and he was just repeating what he has heard online.

    I have played Grand Theft Auto and Call of Duty and I think what is said online is more damaging to people than any animation they see during the game. I didn't start the thread with this in mind but later today, I will play online and I'll let you know what was being said.

    I'm guessing but I would say about 20-35% of the gamers playing are underage and are not suppose to be playing this game or Call of Duty.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The mass murderer this week was hooked on violent video games. He played them for hours a day.

    There is no magic one item solution to end violence .. doing away with violent games would be a start. No one will suffer if they are banned -- which I realize will never happen.
    No they wouldn't, because there's absolutely no hard evidence of any causation whatsoever, and because multi-millions of people play violent video games, including in every single first world country with almost no mass violence problem whatsoever, such as Japan.

    Quote Originally Posted by zombiekiller View Post
    I don't think Jack is saying what you think he's saying. I don't think he's saying violent games make people violent.

    Just like everything else, I suspect that violent games is a tiny part of the cause of violence. But as people have pointed out, violence has existed for as long as there's been anything alive... or dead.
    Your suspicion isn't valid considering what I posted above.

    Quote Originally Posted by m1thousand View Post
    You would be shocked to hear how guys talk when online. During a game, there can be 16 guys connected online.
    I heard a 12 year old British kid say n_gger and I said "do you know the meaning of that word?" He didn't and he was just repeating what he has heard online.

    I have played Grand Theft Auto and Call of Duty and I think what is said online is more damaging to people than any animation they see during the game. I didn't start the thread with this in mind but later today, I will play online and I'll let you know what was being said.

    I'm guessing but I would say about 20-35% of the gamers playing are underage and are not suppose to be playing this game or Call of Duty.
    You think this is limited to gaming? Go read the comments section in youtube. Go read comment exchanges on facebook. Are both of those now contributors to violence?

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    This is as stupid as people who say violent movies are training tools for murderers.
    Opens thread *
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    To the OP : Yes and I am still really excited about this game, going to visit my ex-housemate and her bf this week hopefully just to play the game. I pretty much expected good sales number given the hype surrounding it even before release (and let's not forget how many people pre-ordered them, and gotta give those marketing people props for coming out with the idea of limited edition gifts). Having visited some of the big international game companies during school trips, the bosses of the companies pretty much said the same thing - The game industry is making big bucks nowadays and the movies on the other hand not as much anymore. From app games to console games you name it. I think I might need to shift my priority from move to games now. All of my classmates are going into game companies instead of Tv/ movie companies.
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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Personally, I love GTA and all the inside jokes and general piss-taking which the games have been chock-full of since forever. The technical achievements make it even more impressive.

    Looking immensely forward the predicted PC port of the game in the next few months.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    I have to agree with some of the posters here that mentioned violence themed games are not the main cause/influence of violence among kids. I have even met kids who never played video games (although rare in this generation) behaving just as aggressive or bratty.

    Back when I actively play online games (where majority of the community are young teenagers) they swear just as much and use profanity. And these games are not just limited to violence themed games, as I mostly play fantasy type rpgs. My ex-housemate, who mostly play dancing type games swore or use just as much profanity.

    Let's not forget game arcade players too. I don't exactly like it when people miss a few steps on the dancing machine and get called "fucking NOub".
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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Sample. But there is racing as swell. The game has a huge city and the gameplay is limitless. Its not just about killing people. I made this quick video that just happens to show the police. Personally, I like using the grande launcher to blow things up.


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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    Yeah, and porn is a training ground for those who want to rape people.

    Am I the only person who knows people who planned their year's vacation around this game? I'm covering for at least two people here who are spending a week (or two weeks) doing nothing but playing GTA V and eating pizza.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Watching porn often makes you want to have sex and people use it to masturbate. There is a correlation.
    With rape? No, no there is not. Also sexual desire exists regardless of porn. So you're kinda shooting your really poor assertion here in the foot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m1thousand View Post
    Sample. But there is racing as swell. The game has a huge city and the gameplay is limitless. Its not just about killing people. I made this quick video that just happens to show the police. Personally, I like using the grande launcher to blow things up.

    Sorry, but I'll never understand how killing someone in a game, tv show, or movie is entertainment or adds anything of value life.

    If a person gets enjoyment out of that, I think they might get enjoyment out of torturing puppies and cats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Sorry, but I'll never understand how killing someone in a game, tv show, or movie is entertainment or adds anything of value life.

    If a person gets enjoyment out of that, I think they might get enjoyment out of torturing puppies and cats.
    You are welcome to your own personal taste about what is or isn't good entertainment. The problem is when you believe you should get to decide for everyone else and start proposing bans based on absolutely no evidence of anything.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    It's an intelligent well-done game. I'm upset I have such limited time to play it, but I will be picking up my preorder soon.

    It's entertainment. And it's crafted very well just as a movie or album can be crafted well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Sorry, but I'll never understand how killing someone in a game, tv show, or movie is entertainment or adds anything of value life.

    If a person gets enjoyment out of that, I think they might get enjoyment out of torturing puppies and cats.
    I personally like violent video games and I have a Cat who I love dearly, I also have worked with animals in the past. I took care of 20+ puppies and sometimes kittens during my shift. Please keep reaching.

    You're honestly a tool of the media if you really believe entertainment controls any one human being, whether you like said entertainment or not.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    For most of you then there shouldn't be any concern about people shooting guns for recreation.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Are you a troll?

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    Thoughts?

    A training ground (or 'idea' garden) for people who want to kill people.

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/gta...s-man-w,33893/

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    I have to admit that I didn't like that vid at all, I find it a bit unsettling. It makes casually gunning people down way too realistic and pointless.

    It's a long way from the settlement/strategy-type games I play where men are just these tiny little identical soldiers and you were fighting battles etc. As for the fantasy games I only killed people in defence after being attacked first, and they were mostly creatures anyway. And it was never as reality-based a scenario as that vid.

    The only time I ever played GTA was once or twice years ago at my cousin's house I think. I was a pacifist.

    I didn't want to shoot anyone so I just raced around the city in a car. The single death I was responsible for was the one time when I accidentally knocked somebody over.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    For most of you then there shouldn't be any concern about people shooting guns for recreation.
    Quote Originally Posted by MakeDigitalLove View Post
    Are you a troll?
    What you're seeing, MakeDigital, is what we live with in CE&P on a daily basis.

    If only it were trolling.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    I have to admit that I didn't like that vid at all, I find it a bit unsettling. It makes casually gunning people down way too realistic and pointless.

    It's a long way from the settlement/strategy-type games I play where men are just these tiny little identical soldiers and you were fighting battles etc. As for the fantasy games I only killed people in defence after being attacked first, and they were mostly creatures anyway. And it was never as reality-based a scenario as that vid.

    The only time I ever played GTA was once or twice years ago at my cousin's house I think. I was a pacifist.

    I didn't want to shoot anyone so I just raced around the city in a car. The single death I was responsible for was the one time when I accidentally knocked somebody over.
    I like sim/strat games too. Ever play Rome Total War? When you conquer a province in that game, the game asks if you want to enslave the population, exterminate it, or peacefully occupy it. But I certainly don't suddenly gain a sympathy with the final solution or anything else because I play that game.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    That article very much pokes fun at the monkey-see-monkey-do mentality that people apply to videogames and to nothing else.

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    Re: Grand Theft Auto 5 sells $800 million on day 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    For most of you then there shouldn't be any concern about people shooting guns for recreation.
    I DO shoot guns for recreation.

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    Watching porn often makes you want to have sex and people use it to masturbate. There is a correlation.
    And then...they go out and rape people? No, they stay home and jerk off.

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    I like sim/strat games too. Ever play Rome Total War? When you conquer a province in that game, the game asks if you want to enslave the population, exterminate it, or peacefully occupy it. But I certainly don't suddenly gain a sympathy with the final solution or anything else because I play that game.
    Nope but I played Age of Empires II and III and Age of Mythology, and before that Command & Conquer and a few other lesser-known ones. Plus the amazingly wonderful Elder Scrolls III.

    So yeah I'm sure I've killed many many 'people' during my time but like I say it was in an escapist fantasy or battle scenario, and nothing so life-like as ordinary innocent people shot dead with a rifle or shotgun. Just not my thing, I find it way too unsettling and uncomfortable.

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    Watching porn often makes you want to have sex and people use it to masturbate. There is a correlation.
    I'm guaranteeing that every mass murderer ate food within the 24 hours prior to his/her attacks. Watch out!! Correlation overload!!!

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    I remember playing the original version of this game with my 8 year old nephew a few years ago. I was shocked at the violence. I wasn't impressed that he was allowed to get the game. A disgrace and needs to be banned. No wonder society is so desensitised to such violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Sorry, but I'll never understand how killing someone in a game, tv show, or movie is entertainment or adds anything of value life.

    If a person gets enjoyment out of that, I think they might get enjoyment out of torturing puppies and cats.
    I didnt have any luck when making that video. The weather was dark and so I whipped up that video. GTA has so much gameplay and things you can do. Its not just a people killing game. It can be used as a drive simulator and it is much like life.

    I came back from seeing my mom and played some GTA and Call of Duty

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    Nope but I played Age of Empires II and III and Age of Mythology, and before that Command & Conquer and a few other lesser-known ones. Plus the amazingly wonderful Elder Scrolls III.

    So yeah I'm sure I've killed many many 'people' during my time but like I say it was in an escapist fantasy or battle scenario, and nothing so life-like as ordinary innocent people shot dead with a rifle or shotgun. Just not my thing, I find it way too unsettling and uncomfortable.
    You liked Elder Scrolls III.

    Are you married yet, Chickenguy?

    Quote Originally Posted by youfiad View Post
    I'm guaranteeing that every mass murderer ate food within the 24 hours prior to his/her attacks. Watch out!! Correlation overload!!!
    You are SO onto something. Jack, you better post this in CE&P. Food linked to spree shootings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsox View Post
    I remember playing the original version of this game with my 8 year old nephew a few years ago. I was shocked at the violence. I wasn't impressed that he was allowed to get the game. A disgrace and needs to be banned. No wonder society is so desensitised to such violence.
    I'm over 30, I'm not allowed to purchase this game if I choose because irresponsible parents might negligently whip out the credit card for a violent videogame unsuitable for their extremely young child? Do you apply the same argument to pornography? No wonder we have so much divorce. Look how desensitized people are to sex and lovemaking.

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    Have to say I'm --amazed-- at the Puritanism coming out on this porn site in this thread. What's on the book burning list?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Sorry, but I'll never understand how killing someone in a game, tv show, or movie is entertainment or adds anything of value life.

    If a person gets enjoyment out of that, I think they might get enjoyment out of torturing puppies and cats.
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    Youfiad, how many people did you PK on Napa Valley?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redsox View Post
    I remember playing the original version of this game with my 8 year old nephew a few years ago. I was shocked at the violence. I wasn't impressed that he was allowed to get the game. A disgrace and needs to be banned. No wonder society is so desensitised to such violence.
    If society is desensitized to violence, it is not because of video games. Pls now, pls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakeDigitalLove View Post
    If society is desensitized to violence, it is not because of video games. Pls now, pls.

    It is just one of many things that contribute. So it's part of the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakeDigitalLove View Post
    If society is desensitized to violence, it is not because of video games. Pls now, pls.
    It's a lazy case of "let's blame it on every form of entertainment I personally don't like-- I don't play videogames, so they're to blame. But not movies, books, etc."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redsox View Post
    It is just one of many things that contribute. So it's part of the problem.
    So why does it only contribute here and not in Japan, where they adore turboviolent video games?

    Find another scapegoat. One that actually makes sense and has some more backing behind other than "tsk tsk, I don't like those smelly tasteless videogames."

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