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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post

    Wow, Buzzer's Native American?

    I was going to start teasing him about tee-pees and Tonto, but apparently that makes me uncomfortable in a way that teasing you about Gypsies simply does not. How very bizarre.

    I never got to the Sanderson years. I stopped reading I think a couple of books after the Cougar tied Matt to the bed with her red ribbons and made him like it.
    That's cause you have no guilt toward gypsies. I, on the other hand, have no guilt toward native Americans. Although he IS half of one, while my only relationship to gypsies is that there are some in my home country. I'm no more a gypsy than you are black

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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    That's cause you have no guilt toward gypsies. I, on the other hand, have no guilt toward native Americans. Although he IS half of one, while my only relationship to gypsies is that there are some in my home country. I'm no more a gypsy than you are black
    Implying Gypsy, Black and Bulgarian are three separate things!

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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    That's cause you have no guilt toward gypsies. I, on the other hand, have no guilt toward native Americans. Although he IS half of one, while my only relationship to gypsies is that there are some in my home country. I'm no more a gypsy than you are black

    Sanderson did a fantastic job. He is a master of magical systems and great at fast pacing, and he did things with the One Power that Jordan had never dreamed of.
    You'll always be my little Reef Romani.

    I suspect you're right about the collective guilt thing. I've been thinking about it all day because it was such a strange reaction to have. They are in fact no different. If I feel it's wrong to poke fun at Native Americans, I should feel it's wrong to poke fun at Gypsies right?

    Except (and aside from the no malice intended anywhere thing) I typed it up then deleted it. I think it's also that we're trained that other white guys are fair game, but it's almost always a bad idea for a white guy to start making racial jokes in public.

    I typed up the post with him in the white guy space in my head - then realized that was an error, and got immediately uncomfortable with what I was doing. Oh and yes, I caused myself to ponder why I just assumed he was a white guy in the first place, and is that wrong?

    Culture does strange things to us does it not.


    BTW Robert was distracted because he was dreaming of a leash carrying 'trix in spiky platform, patent thigh boots and a leather bustier.
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Well, since I have been promoted to non-white, I can now make ALL THE RACIST JOKES!!!
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Why do you think you're getting out of it that easily?
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    You'll always be my little Reef Romani.

    I suspect you're right about the collective guilt thing. I've been thinking about it all day because it was such a strange reaction to have. They are in fact no different. If I feel it's wrong to poke fun at Native Americans, I should feel it's wrong to poke fun at Gypsies right?

    Except (and aside from the no malice intended anywhere thing) I typed it up then deleted it. I think it's also that we're trained that other white guys are fair game, but it's almost always a bad idea for a white guy to start making racial jokes in public.

    I typed up the post with him in the white guy space in my head - then realized that was an error, and got immediately uncomfortable with what I was doing. Oh and yes, I caused myself to ponder why I just assumed he was a white guy in the first place, and is that wrong?

    Culture does strange things to us does it not.


    BTW Robert was distracted because he was dreaming of a leash carrying 'trix in spiky platform, patent thigh boots and a leather bustier.
    So much of it is intent, really. Rolyo says things I'm sure I'd eviscerate a total stranger for, because I know he doesn't seriously mean any of it.

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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Why do you think you're getting out of it that easily?
    Because I'm awesome?
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    See, I'd have let you off the hook if you'd said fabulous.
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    The map seems pretty contrived...Denmark a rating below Sweden and Norway (as a collective whole, Scandinavia is probably the best place for LGBT citizens)? The UK up at a 70% bullshit equality factor? France up there with Scandinavia? Italy worse than most of the Balkans? Luxembourg on par with Lithuania?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    See, I'd have let you off the hook if you'd said fabulous.
    I'm too chill and masc to say I was fabulous.

    Though I am. Fabulous.
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I'm too chill and masc to say I was fabulous.

    Though I am. Fabulous.
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    You certainly are.

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    That's nothing if not fabulous!
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I'm too chill and masc to say I was fabulous.

    Though I am. Fabulous.

    I'm way more Alpha than you are brah. No one guesses I'm gay and women hit on me all the fucking time.

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    You certainly are.
    It's like the elephant in Moulin Rouge.
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    fucked by KARMA!!!

    those two posts together. Priceless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post

    I'm way more Alpha than you are brah. No one guesses I'm gay and women hit on me all the fucking time.
    I said I'm chill and masc. Not alpha. I'm proud to be recognized as being gay btw
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Yeah well I'm just that shockingly SA, you can't possibly not want me.

    I'm not surprised my straight gayness makes you feel inadequate.

    It's like I'm a space gypsy or something.
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    That's nothing if not fabulous!
    It's the Space Gypsies!

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    ^ I snorted out my soda

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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    That map is completely absurd.

    By the way, I'm quite partial to a bit Chalga music occasionally.

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    You're stalking my ride now? And you say *I* feel inadequate?! Jeesh... It's pretty pimp though, right?

    I'll let you ride in it if you give me road head. Yunno, just a little. Lap. Nap. *makes an arc with finger, pointing down to crotch*.
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    If I drive will y'all go in the BACK to uhhhhhhhh discuss European gay tolerance?

    (Is that like reverse cowgirl?)
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    If I drive will y'all go in the BACK to uhhhhhhhh discuss European gay tolerance?

    (Is that like reverse cowgirl?)
    But the map doesn't have gypsies on it.

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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    They're subversive like that.
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    I bet Rolyo is really named something like Gallius Sylfesta and lives in Topeka.
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Not sure how UK has topped the stats for that map.

    Mind you, it depends how they have assessed all the factors i guess.

    As an example, if you take the Kingdom of Mitchyland, and you asked the citizens "should homosexuality be tolerated in society?", and the votes went like this:-

    North Mitchyland - 85% YES - 12% NO - 3% UNSURE

    South Mitchyland - 79% YES - 5% NO - 16% UNSURE

    Which of the two would be better to live in as a gay person? When the most tolerant governments happen to have the most intolerant citizenships, it kind of undermines the overall status in purely legislative terms.

    Simply put, the best countries for gay people to live in, are the ones with the highest citizen support, since government policies, however favourable they are, could be abolished at some point down the line, to our detriment, unless the citizens oppose it. Look at the USSR when Lenin was in power, gay rights forerunner! Then along comes Stalin, and without enough public support of Lenin's ideals, gay rights started turning in the wrong direction.

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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Except that it just takes one 'phobe to fire you with no recourse where you have no rights.
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Except that it just takes one 'phobe to fire you with no recourse where you have no rights.
    Very good point.

    When the law doesn't formally protect you, your experiences will vary wildly because it will depend on whether or not you live near, work with, or interact with people who just happen to be openminded or not.

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