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    Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Unfortunately the further east you go in Europe, the less tolerant people are to homosexuality. The following graphic is very telling.


    Article: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-8824932.html
    Gay, lesbian and transgender people face shocking levels of violence, discrimination and abuse across Europe, with gaps in EU and national legislation robbing them of justice and creating a climate of fear, a new report by Amnesty International says.


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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Apart from the legacy of countries that once formed part of the Soviet Empire I'd question Amnesty's assessments for Switzerland, Italy, and Greece where gays do not "face shocking levels of violence, discrimination and abuse" and, where European Union legislation guarantees gays the same human rights that can be found in those countries coloured green.

    I appreciate that legislation in those (green) countries extending marriage rights/civil union rights to gays might colour the issue sufficiently to warp perceptions.

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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Proximity to the Atlantic Ocean is the deciding factor. Western Europe is more culturally heterogeneous and prosperous given better access to the world's seas.

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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    Apart from the legacy of countries that once formed part of the Soviet Empire I'd question Amnesty's assessments for Switzerland, Italy, and Greece where gays do not "face shocking levels of violence, discrimination and abuse" and, where European Union legislation guarantees gays the same human rights that can be found in those countries coloured green.

    I appreciate that legislation in those (green) countries extending marriage rights/civil union rights to gays might colour the issue sufficiently to warp perceptions.

    I agree. The map seems rather inconsistent to me.

    The UK is described by the map as more tolerant than the Nordic countries, when it is relatively late to gay marriage and has as yet no plans for gay marriage for Scotland or Northern Ireland.

    And it is absurd to describe Switzerland, Italy, and Greece as places where gays "face shocking levels of violence, discrimination, and abuses." Are Croatia and Albania really orders of magnitude more tolerant of gays than Italy? People who live in these areas have told me that that is a strange conclusion.

    And the map's claim "Scale based on national legal and policy human rights situation of LGBT citizens in Europe" is a meaningless phrase. It explains nothing about what criteria were used in evaluating homophobia vs. tolerance in Europe.

    The map seems to be just someone's attitudes about Europe, generally.

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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    And the map's claim "Scale based on national legal and policy human rights situation of LGBT citizens in Europe" is a meaningless phrase. It explains nothing about what criteria were used in evaluating homophobia vs. tolerance in Europe.
    That was my first complaint: no objective criteria are stated. That makes the whole thing rather worthless.

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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    I agree. The map seems rather inconsistent to me.

    The UK is described by the map as more tolerant than the Nordic countries, when it is relatively late to gay marriage
    According to that logic New Jersey can't be liberal because it doesn't have gay marriage yet, when actually it's just because of an intransigent conservative governor.

    as yet no plans for gay marriage for Scotland or Northern Ireland.
    Au contraire.

    Scotland is moving full steam ahead.

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    Well, they did my country right...
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Well, they did my country right...
    Bulgaria? Archaeological gold mine but not terribly progressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post

    Bulgaria? Archaeological gold mine but not terribly progressive.
    Exactly. Not too homophobic either. More indifferent and slightly repulsed attitude. We won't be passing any anti-gay legislation at least.
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Exactly. Not too homophobic either. More indifferent and slightly repulsed attitude. We won't be passing any anti-gay legislation at least.
    They haven't even come to grips yet with the fact that they're all Romani posing as something else. >

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post

    They haven't even come to grips yet with the fact that they're all Romani posing as something else. >
    I will fist you, and everyone you care about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I will fist you, and everyone you care about.
    With those Romani hands I'm afraid you'll steel my prostate or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post

    With those Romani hands I'm afraid you'll steel my prostate or something.
    I may stEAl it but I'm unlikely to steel it Plus, are you even using it all that much anyway?
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Would love to participate here but I have no idea what y'all are talking about.

    The only "Romani" I know is:

    "...Romani eunt Domus?...People called Romani they go the house?..."
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    According to that logic New Jersey can't be liberal because it doesn't have gay marriage yet, when actually it's just because of an intransigent conservative governor.
    A governor who vetoed gay marriage, after it was passed by both houses of the New Jersey legislature.

    The citizens of New Jersey voted the man into office. You have to presume that if gay marriage was important to them, they would have elected someone else.

    But that is precisely my point about the map. If these were states of the United States, New Jersey might get a higher rating for gay tolerance because someone perceives it to be "liberal," not because it has actually done anything to advance gay rights. I suspect someone applied a similar logic to this map of Europe.


    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Au contraire.

    Scotland is moving full steam ahead.
    It has been introduced into the Scottish parliament.

    Nothing has been passed. At this point, it's just a hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Would love to participate here but I have no idea what y'all are talking about.

    The only "Romani" I know is:

    "...Romani eunt Domus?...People called Romani they go the house?..."
    Like most people who know jack about gypsies, buzzer uses some Hollywood romanticized name for them that they themselves never use. Poor thing, bless his little heart ^_^
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    ...beats Rolyo about the head for the vague and cryptic response...


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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Are YOU a Gypsy, a Romani? Why did I think a Romani wore a toga and WHO IS THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!



    Bwahahahahahah!!!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Like most people who know jack about gypsies, buzzer uses some Hollywood romanticized name for them that they themselves never use. Poor thing, bless his little heart ^_^
    All I know is that when I went to Bulgaria you threw your junk at me in a basket and ran off with my wallet.

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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post

    The citizens of New Jersey voted the man into office. You have to presume that if gay marriage was important to them, they would have elected someone else.
    Again that logic would also say that Spain and Canada would not elect conservative governments because they value gay rights so much. They did, they do, but LGBT rights almost never determines an election because frankly it is not a priority to most people.

    It has been introduced into the Scottish parliament.

    Nothing has been passed. At this point, it's just a hope.
    It's inevitable, and it already has a schedule.

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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak
    Again that logic would also say that Spain and Canada would not elect conservative governments because they value gay rights so much. They did, they do, but LGBT rights almost never determines an election because frankly it is not a priority to most people.
    Again, the question under discussion is not how liberal or conservative is any state or country, but to what extent that entity supports gay rights.


    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak
    It's inevitable, and it already has a schedule.
    Gay marriage is inevitable in New Jersey and it has a schedule in New Jersey, too.

    But, to date, neither Scotland nor New Jersey allows gay marriage.

    Both may be relatively "liberal" places. But that does not make them especially more gay friendly than "conservative" places with precisely the same laws.
    Last edited by T-Rexx; September 20th, 2013 at 03:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    All I know is that when I went to Bulgaria you threw your junk at me in a basket and ran off with my wallet.
    Did he at least blow you first?
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Again that logic would also say that Spain and Canada would not elect conservative governments because they value gay rights so much. They did, they do, but LGBT rights almost never determines an election because frankly it is not a priority to most people.
    That's the sad truth. Also, a lot of people really devalue the importance of state politics and feel that party affiliation doesn't matter anywhere near as much on state level as national-- whether that's actually the case or not.

    California is a *strong* case in point of: you really cannot extrapolate the values or the politics of the voters from who the vote as Governor. Most people simply don't care that much about who is governor, you certainly don't hear the politics or the party of the governor mentioned in political discussions very often compared to national politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Did he at least blow you first?
    Um yeah? Are you kidding?

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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Again, the question under discussion is not how liberal or conservative is any state or country, but to what extent that entity supports gay rights.
    Gay marriage is a legal change, which means it takes a liberal political movement. It has nothing to do with how tolerant people are, and tolerant people might not rate LGBT rights as a priority enough to elect a government that will pass gay marriage. In fact, gay marriage has the support of over 70% of Germans, but Merkel's party will not budge.

    Gay marriage is inevitable in New Jersey and it has a schedule in New Jersey, too.

    But, to date, neither Scotland nor New Jersey allows gay marriage.
    New Jersey does not have a schedule or the veto override votes, and actually in pointing out that New Jersey has a pro-gay legislature, you gutted your claim that a state without gay marriage is necessarily less tolerant. Polling in New Jersey is around 60%, hardly like the Bible Belt.

    Both may be relatively "liberal" places. But that does not make them especially more gay friendly than "conservative" places with precisely the same laws.
    Well you're wrong. They are more gay friendly than Eastern Europe and Wyoming.
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    Honestly feel bad for gay Russians. Considering how big the country is and how many gays that are there suffering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Um yeah? Are you kidding?
    And then he woke up with a powerful erection.

    TX-Beau, we have lots of gypsies in Bulgaria, and buzzer, sad limited American that he is, assumes we are all gypsies, which, of course we aren't any more than all Americans are black. Also, he's only been to Bulgaria through Wikipedia.
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Well, aren't you all gypsies with bright silky shirts and bandannas, and quaint, colorful arched wagons and such? Who are just misunderstood and always include that one wise old crystal ball woman who's never believed and always right?

    Or is that pirates?

    I get confused.

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    Aaaaaand, it's fisting time again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Well, aren't you all gypsies with bright silky shirts and bandannas, and quaint, colorful arched wagons and such? Who are just misunderstood and always include that one wise old crystal ball woman who's never believed and always right?

    Or is that pirates?

    I get confused.

    Oh wait, there's a lot of guitar and provocative dancing too, right?

    (don't hit me)

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    It's why you're a fiddler isn't it?

    (ducks)
    Pretty much take that image you created, and put it under a Macedonian flag, and that's Bulgaria. You have it perfectly.

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    I'm sorry, what happened to your original race again? ^_^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I'm sorry, what happened to your original race again? ^_^
    We ascended. Didn't you watch Stargate?

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    whoopsie...

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    We ascended. Didn't you watch Stargate?
    Ascended? Is that some new term for Influenza and STDs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Well, aren't you all gypsies with bright silky shirts and bandannas, and quaint, colorful arched wagons and such? Who are just misunderstood and always include that one wise old crystal ball woman who's never believed and always right?

    Or is that pirates?

    I get confused.

    Oh wait, there's a lot of guitar and provocative dancing too, right?

    (don't hit me)

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    It's why you're a fiddler isn't it?

    (ducks)
    Confusing gypsies and pirates?

    Good thing for you Boston Pirate isn't around these days, or you might be ducking a full broadside.
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    But Kuli what are pirates but Bugarians of the... excuse me GYPSIES of the deep!!

    Sea Gypsies!!!!!!!!!


    (would make a sea monkey joke but Rolyo would have me cursed NO WAIT! That's voodoo. Damn it's hard to keep your stereotypes straight.)

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    Were there ever any actual - you know, arrrrgh matey pirates in Boston?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    But Kuli what are pirates but Bugarians of the... excuse me GYPSIES of the deep!!

    Sea Gypsies!!!!!!!!!


    (would make a sea monkey joke but Rolyo would have me cursed NO WAIT! That's voodoo. Damn it's hard to keep your stereotypes straight.)

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    That's basically the history of Bulgaria, I don't know what Alnitak is on about with this "archaeological value" stuff. Pirates dressed exactly as Tx-Beau described just pretty much rolled up into the port at Byzantium and were like "Yarr!!" and took it over, dressed as Macedonians and robbed people and called themselves Bulgarian. Aside from inventing post-it's and the fad-popular 80's Jellies shoes, they slid quietly into history other than occasionally robbing tourists. Their intellectual property lawsuit against Disney for the character "Jack Sparrow" is still pending in international courts.

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    Right?

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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Wait a minute. I though Disney stole Jack Sparrow from WEHO.

    But JELLIES!!!! That is some soul crushing shit right there.
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    But Kuli what are pirates but Bugarians of the... excuse me GYPSIES of the deep!!

    Sea Gypsies!!!!!!!!!

    That would be more the Atha'an Miere, I'd think.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Only if the Windfinders were wearing Jellies.

    That would have made them just that much more ridiculous.

    SOMEONE NEEEEEEEEEEEDS TO BE SPANKED WITH A SLIPPER!!!

    Wait, that's the Tower bitches, I forget which S'n M' punishment the Sea Folk practiced.

    I had to laugh at the leashes though - I was like really Robert? Women on leashes? Just go to the Exotic Erotic Ball already.

    Honestly I tried to like the end of that series like I liked the beginning of it, but from all the spanking/slippering/slapping/leashing naked dominatrices frolicking about in their lesbian subtext (and not so subtext), I began to really wonder about Robert. Oh yeah that and the absence of hot men spanking and leashing each other.
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    But Kuli what are pirates but Bugarians of the... excuse me GYPSIES of the deep!!

    Sea Gypsies!!!!!!!!!
    When the first Bulgarian astronaut goes into space, it will be SPACE GYPSIES!

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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    When the first Bulgarian astronaut goes into space, it will be SPACE GYPSIES!
    Only if they go in brightly painted spacecraft.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    *the number is now forty

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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Oh do believe Stargate Atlantis has covered that eventuality.

    Go Ahead Rolyo -I DARE YOU TO DENY IT!!!!!!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So yeah, slowing down on the scotch.
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    1. Sci-fi geekdom worships my infinite knowledge.

    2. The ascension comment was tied to my racist insensitivity re buzzer's Native American ancestry.

    3. The Sea Folk hang people from their toes.

    4. I channel the True Power without restraint.

    5. I also literally just finished Memory of Light, even though I read The Eye of the World as a wee boy. It was an incredible ending to a series that should have had better and more even writing before Sanderson picked it up.
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    I agree. The map seems rather inconsistent to me.

    The UK is described by the map as more tolerant than the Nordic countries, when it is relatively late to gay marriage and has as yet no plans for gay marriage for Scotland or Northern Ireland.

    And it is absurd to describe Switzerland, Italy, and Greece as places where gays "face shocking levels of violence, discrimination, and abuses." Are Croatia and Albania really orders of magnitude more tolerant of gays than Italy? People who live in these areas have told me that that is a strange conclusion.

    And the map's claim "Scale based on national legal and policy human rights situation of LGBT citizens in Europe" is a meaningless phrase. It explains nothing about what criteria were used in evaluating homophobia vs. tolerance in Europe.

    The map seems to be just someone's attitudes about Europe, generally.
    My thoughts as well.

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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    From what I have seen in Europe after living there for over a year, this map is a bunch of crap.... France is a very intolerant country country compared to Nordic countries. Plus, I wouldn't even say France is tolerant of gays at all. Of course, they now have same-sex-marriage by law, but that doesn't reflect tolerance at all. All of my gay friends in France tend to agree that there is still a huge problem of homophobia in France.

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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    1. Sci-fi geekdom worships my infinite knowledge.

    2. The ascension comment was tied to my racist insensitivity re buzzer's Native American ancestry.

    3. The Sea Folk hang people from their toes.

    4. I channel the True Power without restraint.

    5. I also literally just finished Memory of Light, even though I read The Eye of the World as a wee boy. It was an incredible ending to a series that should have had better and more even writing before Sanderson picked it up.
    Wow, Buzzer's Native American?

    I was going to start teasing him about tee-pees and Tonto, but apparently that makes me uncomfortable in a way that teasing you about Gypsies simply does not. How very bizarre.

    I never got to the Sanderson years. I stopped reading I think a couple of books after the Cougar tied Matt to the bed with her red ribbons and made him like it.
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    I suppose we should say something on topic.

    Equality and acceptance are not the same thing. I will take legal equality over being loved to itty bitty pieces by the Neighborhood and have no rights.
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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Wow, Buzzer's Native American?

    I was going to start teasing him about tee-pees and Tonto, but apparently that makes me uncomfortable in a way that teasing you about Gypsies simply does not. How very bizarre.

    I never got to the Sanderson years. I stopped reading I think a couple of books after the Cougar tied Matt to the bed with her red ribbons and made him like it.
    *Snickers* Poor Bulgaria.

    One time Rolyo and I almost got in trouble for our race-teasing of each other in HT.

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    I suppose we should say something on topic.

    Equality and acceptance are not the same thing. I will take legal equality over being loved to itty bitty pieces by the Neighborhood and have no rights.
    That's a good point. I doubt there's a single country on earth where you are not going to run into PLENTY Of people who have major and macho problems with gay people, and someone's perception of how good or bad that is in a given country will vary wildly I imagine by where they live, who they meet and what their experiences are like. But legally recognized rights across the nation are a more objective and less anecdotal measure.

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    Re: Tolerance of Gays in Europe - it's a rainbow of sorts...

    You know, every now and then I'll take a little Safari over to Hot Topics - but the bitches are so mean, not like our decorous and respectful CE&P community.


    Equality before the law is the only measure of equality.
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