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    You forget Rolyo that publicly funded Fire Departments that must save EVERYONE is the Socialism donchaknow - Jack doesn't approve of the Socialism - It's a Commie Plot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    You forget Rolyo that publicly funded Fire Departments that must save EVERYONE is the Socialism donchaknow - Jack doesn't approve of the Socialism - It's a Commie Plot.
    I'm occasionally surprised that patriotism itself isn't called socialism, since it rests on the premise that we all, after all, have some sort of obligation to one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Rachel Maddow had a great piece on her show tonight about how the right wing is trying to inject fear so they can exploit those afraid of Obamacare for financial gain. "Send me money and I will get rid of Obamacare" they claim. Mike Huckabee was the latest to join in as he saw profit potential.

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    Rachel gave many examples of the republican con artists exploiting people's fears started by the right wingers.

    Senator Amy Klobuchar is looking into these con artists claims. It's modern day snake oil.

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    This. Simple.

    These hucksters like Huckabee know that the best way to fleece the flock is to make them angry and afraid. Politicians and religious leaders do it all the time, knowing that they have no intention or possibility of making the changes they promise.

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    Anyone remember how Obama promised everyone they would be able to keep their own insurance and not be forced into buying something they didn't want?

    That was one of the main selling points of the ACA ... now we all know it was a big lie.

    No one knows how this all will end up. We do know that Obamacare has costs millions of jobs and billions of dollars of benefits to employees.

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    ^ Anyone remember? You're not responding to any of the discussion here. There's over a dozen posts now that answer yours and Benvolio's and you're not even paying attention to it. It's like you're just shouting over the rational discourse:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Anyone remember how Obama promised everyone they would be able to keep their own insurance and not be forced into buying something they didn't want?

    That was one of the main selling points of the ACA ... now we all know it was a big lie.

    No one knows how this all will end up. We do know that Obamacare has costs millions of jobs and billions of dollars of benefits to employees.
    Millions of jobs really. Where's the economic collapse.

    There's nothing in actual reality to back up anything you wish to be true.

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    Yeah, Jack, how about you at least respond to what others have actually wrote? I know you don't choose to show enough class to at least fake respect for anyone here, but while you may not be taken seriously, there are at the very least ways to not antagonize people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    We do know that Obamacare has costs millions of jobs and billions of dollars of benefits to employees.
    Really! Millions? Billions? LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    ^ Anyone remember? You're not responding to any of the discussion here. There's over a dozen posts now that answer yours and Benvolio's and you're not even paying attention to it. It's like you're just shouting over the rational discourse:

    "Remember this! Remember that? Obama! Obama! Lalala! BENGHAZI!11!!1"


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    ... your response? personal attacks.

    why not defend the ACA and the President? we all know why ... you can't.

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    When Obamacare goes into full effect, cats will be having sex with dogs (and vice versa).
    The resulting offspring will spawn a virus that is resistant to any antibiotics we currently have. Millions will die. Many jobs will be lost. However, the beauty of this is that the virus will only infect Republicons. Oh, the humanity! Repeal Obamacare or repent!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ... your response? personal attacks.

    why not defend the ACA and the President? we all know why ... you can't.
    It is not a personal attack to point out that you are eschewing any actual discussion in favor of simply throwing out new posts with more portends of doom without acknowledging any of the reasonable responses that addressed your (few) points.

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    Millions of jobs and billions of dollars? OMFG.

    The sky is falling.

    This is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Millions of jobs and billions of dollars? OMFG.

    The sky is falling.

    This is ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    why not defend the ACA and the President?
    Thus far, you’ve added 5 posts to this thread. Your primary points appear to suggest that some entity associated with the Affordable Care Act desires to control our lives and propose that such intent will effect a rebellion of some sort. You note that no one knows how this will end; however, you twice suggest that a determination should wait until January 2014. Moreover, you indicate a common knowledge that one of the assurances put forward as a selling point for the Act – that everyone will be able to keep their existing insurance and not be forced to buy something they don’t want – is now recognized as a false affirmation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Don't forget binders of women.
    It's the death panels I'm worried about. That the right people aren't on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Thus far, you’ve added 5 posts to this thread. Your primary points appear to suggest that some entity associated with the Affordable Care Act desires to control our lives and propose that such intent will effect a rebellion of some sort. You note that no one knows how this will end; however, you twice suggest that a determination should wait until January 2014. Moreover, you indicate a common knowledge that one of the assurances put forward as a selling point for the Act – that everyone will be able to keep their existing insurance and not be forced to buy something they don’t want – is now recognized as a false affirmation.
    Obama even admits now that people will not be able to keep their own insurance. Just this week Home Depot and Walgreens took their insurance away from employees that work under 40 hours a week.

    Thanks for counting my posts -- please count Bob's personal attack responses -- I'm not wasting my time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Obama even admits now that people will not be able to keep their own insurance. Just this week Home Depot and Walgreens took their insurance away from employees that work under 40 hours a week.
    I'm not wasting my time.
    You're doing it right now.

    Another canard. When I was temping at a major food company in 1994 (25 hours), I had no health insurance waaaay before ACA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    You're doing it right now.

    Another canard. When I was temping at a major food company in 1994 (25 hours), I had no health insurance waaaay before ACA.
    I've only ever had insurance at 1 job I've had so far in my life. And it is terrible, with a $5,000 deductible.

    I think Jack along with most Republicans is overlooking the fact that that's a normal fact of life for millions of Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I've only ever had insurance at 1 job I've had so far in my life. And it is terrible, with a $5,000 deductible.

    I think Jack along with most Republicans is overlooking the fact that that's a normal fact of life for millions of Americans.
    With that size deductible, it's a joke to even say you have insurance. But that's no surprise, either -- many people I know have insurance they can't afford to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    With that size deductible, it's a joke to even say you have insurance. But that's no surprise, either -- many people I know have insurance they can't afford to use.
    Yup. It is basically "I guess I get to fight with them when I need critical care for something catastrophic." You know what amazes me though, Kul? I walked into a doctor's office not 5 months ago for a basic exam because I was having some back trouble, with $300 in cash in my pocket and a credit card on me. They told me they don't take anyone without insurance, flat out.

    I simply went to another office, but I could not help feeling distinctly irritated and as though I'd just been discriminated against. I could pay for my care and they wouldn't take me at all?

    For all intents and purposes, you're right. I don't have insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I've only ever had insurance at 1 job I've had so far in my life. And it is terrible, with a $5,000 deductible.

    I think Jack along with most Republicans is overlooking the fact that that's a normal fact of life for millions of Americans.
    The way my boss describes it, insurance isn't for the day to day minor stuff... it's for the catastrophic stuff. In the even that that happens, $5,000 is a drop in the bucket. People abuse the health care system for every headache and hang nail they go to the emergency room for, when they should be going to a Urgent Care center.

    btw- I don't have insurance either. I'm illegible - I just don't feel like I can afford that much taken out of every pay check.
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    I got my FactCheck newsletter today and I thought some of you need to really, really read it. I'm hoping it isn't off topic. It just MAY stop some of the misleading posts on this forum.

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    Obamacare Myths
    Falsehoods about the Affordable Care Act are still swirling -- and the intensity of the claims is rising as the exchanges are set to launch.

    Posted on September 16, 2013

    Summary

    We’ve been batting down bogus claims about the Affordable Care Act for years, since 2009, when legislation was still in the debate stage. But they’ve been increasing in intensity in recent months as we approach Oct. 1, the date the insurance exchanges will be open for business for those buying their own insurance, mainly with the help of federal subsidies.

    So, more than three years after our last health-care-whoppers piece (published just before the law was signed in 2010), we’re giving readers a rundown of the top claims.

    Some have been around for years, and others are relatively new. Most touch on three topics: jobs, premium costs and medical care. For instance:
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I've only ever had insurance at 1 job I've had so far in my life. And it is terrible, with a $5,000 deductible.

    I think Jack along with most Republicans is overlooking the fact that that's a normal fact of life for millions of Americans.
    Exactly. Much of America (most?) which has health insurance "on paper" does not actually have health insurance.

    The current private system only covers rich people.

    I remain baffled as to why Republicans think only rich people should have access to medical care and food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Thanks for counting my posts -- please count Bob's personal attack responses -- I'm not wasting my time.
    Oh Jesus fucking Christ, Springer.

    Your obsession with me is frightening.

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    If the above was good for this thread, then this one should be also. It answers questions about taxes. Some people sent their erroneous emails before they could correct them. Therefore many many wrong examples of the ACA.

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    Posted on September 18, 2013

    Q: Does the health care law contain a “hidden” tax on hunting and fishing equipment?

    A: No. There is a 2.3 percent excise tax on certain medical devices. Cabela’s, a Nebraska sporting goods company, applied the tax to some of its customers’ purchases by mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    The way my boss describes it, insurance isn't for the day to day minor stuff... it's for the catastrophic stuff. In the even that that happens, $5,000 is a drop in the bucket. People abuse the health care system for every headache and hang nail they go to the emergency room for, when they should be going to a Urgent Care center.

    btw- I don't have insurance either. I'm illegible - I just don't feel like I can afford that much taken out of every pay check.
    But it's not entirely that simple. If you're uninsured some places won't take you at all, and you're also paying more for almost everything. I'm fortunate to be able to afford that when I get sick or something happens that I feel a doctor should look at, I can afford to drop $150 on the spot to see a doctor, and however much more for bloodwork or xrays or a short-term prescription or whatever might be necessary. Someone with insurance may be getting all of those things on a $15-50 co-pay. I don't begrudge that a lot of blue collar families with possibly multiple kids in this country where someone is always getting sick or hurt in the normal course of life can't be dropping a few hundred a month for uninsured urgent care center treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    The way my boss describes it, insurance isn't for the day to day minor stuff... it's for the catastrophic stuff. In the even that that happens, $5,000 is a drop in the bucket.
    $5,000 may be "a drop in the bucket" far as the total cost of catastrophic care, but it is enough to bankrupt most Americans. It's no accident that 70% of American bankruptcies result because somebody got sick.


    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    People abuse the health care system for every headache and hang nail they go to the emergency room for, when they should be going to a Urgent Care center.
    One of the strange things about the European systems is that people abuse them left and right - and that paradoxically seems to save money.

    When you can see a doctor without cost, there is no impediment to scheduling an appointment for virtually every little scrape and sniffle - so people do, of course. But, this frequent contact with the medical system seems to keep them healthy. High blood pressure and diabetes and other problems are discovered during these visits, and are dealt with while they are yet still minor problems. And that seems to save more money than the American system of waiting until complications of disease have become serious, and then dealing with them emergently.


    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    btw- I don't have insurance either. I'm illegible
    Just because you don't write well is no reason to deny you insurance.


    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    I got my FactCheck newsletter today and I thought some of you need to really, really read it. I'm hoping it isn't off topic. It just MAY stop some of the misleading posts on this forum.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2013/09/oba...d5e5c-47775093
    You misunderstand, White Eagle.

    The misleading posts are not made in ignorance. The people making these posts know full well how stupid they are. There is a need on the right to stop Obamacare before it is implemented. Republicans believe that Obamacare will work (it is, after all, their own plan) and that it will become another respected, useful, and valued American institution like Social Security and Medicare. It is therefore necessary to stop it before people can be allowed to benefit from it.

    You can't stop misleading posts by pointing out how valuable might be Obamacare and how dishonest are the posts. The real fear about Obamacare among the right is that it will work, and work well. Dishonesty is the whole point of these posts/threads. Pointing out the merits of Obamacare will only make the misleading threads worse.

    See the discussion at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-even-help-it/
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    $5,000 may be "a drop in the bucket" far as the total cost of catastrophic care, but it is enough to bankrupt most Americans. It's no accident that 70% of American bankruptcies result because somebody got sick.




    One of the strange things about the European systems is that people abuse them left and right - and that paradoxically seems to save money.

    When you can see a doctor without cost, there is no impediment to scheduling an appointment for virtually every little scrape and sniffle - so people do, of course. But, this frequent contact with the medical system seems to keep them healthy. High blood pressure and diabetes and other problems are discovered during these visits, and are dealt with while they are yet still minor problems. And that seems to save more money than the American system of waiting until complications of disease have become serious, and then dealing with them emergently.
    I have been saying this for I don't know how long. When insurance companies have been major scrooges when it comes to things like pre-emptive or preventative or routine screenings for things like cancer and such, so many people find out they have expensive medical conditions when they're something like stage 3 or stage 4 cancer and in need of incredibly expensive care when catching it early would have decimated the cost of treating it. Not to mention the fact that so many cancers have a much larger survival rate when caught early than caught late.

    I have never understood why, if the goal is making money, insurance companies don't REQUIRE their insurees to get fairly regular testing for any condition that would be orders of magnitude more expensive to treat if caught later. $100-300 or so for a test now vs. treatments that could cost hundreds of thousands of dollars if caught as a stage 4 cancer? I can only conclude that the fact that insurance companies are so shortsighted about this is because the people in charge of making decisions are worried only about short term and quarterly profit reports in tunnel vision, and 10 years ago it would have most definitely been in the hope that even if an insuree came down with an expensive condition they'd just find a way to wiggle out of covering them when it came up.

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    Well y'all will have insurance on January 1 -- whether you want to or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Well y'all will have insurance on January 1 -- whether you want to or not.
    And people would not want it why, Jack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    The way my boss describes it, insurance isn't for the day to day minor stuff... it's for the catastrophic stuff. In the even that that happens, $5,000 is a drop in the bucket. People abuse the health care system for every headache and hang nail they go to the emergency room for, when they should be going to a Urgent Care center.
    Not many places have Urgent Care. That's why one of the reforms should have been to provide very low-interest loans to establish them -- along, of course, with building dozens of new medical schools to supply the doctors for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Not many places have Urgent Care. That's why one of the reforms should have been to provide very low-interest loans to establish them -- along, of course, with building dozens of new medical schools to supply the doctors for them.
    That plus the uninsured cost of seeing a doctor even at urgent care is not going to be different between a "stubbed toe" and pneumonia. You're going to be dropping $100+ for the doctor's time either way.

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    One of the strange things about the European systems is that people abuse them left and right - and that paradoxically seems to save money.

    When you can see a doctor without cost, there is no impediment to scheduling an appointment for virtually every little scrape and sniffle - so people do, of course. But, this frequent contact with the medical system seems to keep them healthy. High blood pressure and diabetes and other problems are discovered during these visits, and are dealt with while they are yet still minor problems. And that seems to save more money than the American system of waiting until complications of disease have become serious, and then dealing with them emergently.
    Exactly. Which is why any reform should have included one free annual physical and two free regular visits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    That plus the uninsured cost of seeing a doctor even at urgent care is not going to be different between a "stubbed toe" and pneumonia. You're going to be dropping $100+ for the doctor's time either way.
    At the new Urgent Care facility here, connected to the Adventist Health hospital, there is a fee scale dependent on how long the doctor is with you, and on the severity of the condition -- so at least at one facility, there is a difference between a stubbed toe and pneumonia.

    And for their inaugural year, first visits are free!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Well y'all will have insurance on January 1 -- whether you want to or not.
    No, we won't.

    That's one of the stupidities of Obamacare/Romneycare. It doesn't come close to covering everybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    At the new Urgent Care facility here, connected to the Adventist Health hospital, there is a fee scale dependent on how long the doctor is with you, and on the severity of the condition -- so at least at one facility, there is a difference between a stubbed toe and pneumonia.

    And for their inaugural year, first visits are free!
    I'm sure it varies by location and the way the facility in question is being funded or subsidized, but the only time I have ever paid less than $100 in a doctor's office is having something very specific done that didn't require a doctor, such as going in for a tetanus shot, where you pay the cost of the shot plus 15 bucks or whatever for some medical assistant to administer it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    The way my boss describes it, insurance isn't for the day to day minor stuff... it's for the catastrophic stuff. In the even that that happens, $5,000 is a drop in the bucket. People abuse the health care system for every headache and hang nail they go to the emergency room for, when they should be going to a Urgent Care center.

    btw- I don't have insurance either. I'm illegible - I just don't feel like I can afford that much taken out of every pay check.
    If you have decent insurance you don't go to the ER. Your boss is an idiot. If you can get regular, decent care, you can largely avoid catastrophic events. Regular care is cheaper than crisis care.

    Deductibles are high because of insurance companies wanting you to pay out of pocket so it doesn't impact their bottom line, and they don't have to provide the service you are PAYING them to provide in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Well y'all will have insurance on January 1 -- whether you want to or not.
    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    And people would not want it why, Jack?
    Still couldn't afford it then as I can't now?

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    No, we won't.

    That's one of the stupidities of Obamacare/Romneycare. It doesn't come close to covering everybody.
    The fines will be cheaper than the coverage, assuming everything they're saying now is true.

    Aren't most people (and major companies) planning on paying the cheaper fines, and then signing up for it when/if they need it ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I'm sure it varies by location and the way the facility in question is being funded or subsidized, but the only time I have ever paid less than $100 in a doctor's office is having something very specific done that didn't require a doctor, such as going in for a tetanus shot, where you pay the cost of the shot plus 15 bucks or whatever for some medical assistant to administer it.
    When I was at OSU, if you saw the doctor for less than ten minutes it was $40. Since many instances at urgent care only took half that in doctor's time, we figured they were getting over $300/hr in billing for each doctor if all he was doing was simple stuff. That was on top of a base $20 for a visit, for a total of $60 for the simplest of visits.

    When I went in after punching a wall instead of a person, though, the bill broke $200 just from the examination (not counting x-rays)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    If you have decent insurance you don't go to the ER. Your boss is an idiot. If you can get regular, decent care, you can largely avoid catastrophic events. Regular care is cheaper than crisis care.

    Deductibles are high because of insurance companies wanting you to pay out of pocket so it doesn't impact their bottom line, and they don't have to provide the service you are PAYING them to provide in the first place.
    I agree. I think catastrophic care only insurance doesn't "count" as far as whether someone is insured or not and has access to more than "care when Jaws of life and ICU are required", and I could only say anything decent about high deductible insurance existing if it were inordinately cheap for people who *only* wanted catastrophic care insurance. But because I do work in an HR capacity, I do know that the insurance I have isn't cheap, which is the flabbergasting part of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    If you have decent insurance you don't go to the ER. Your boss is an idiot. If you can get regular, decent care, you can largely avoid catastrophic events. Regular care is cheaper than crisis care.

    Deductibles are high because of insurance companies wanting you to pay out of pocket so it doesn't impact their bottom line, and they don't have to provide the service you are PAYING them to provide in the first place.
    I have good insurance, and they tell me to go to the ER.

    Anxiety attack? ER.
    Poked in the eye? ER.
    Small laceration? ER.
    Chest pains? ER.
    Blow to the head? ER.

    It's even printed on the back of my insurance cards: "If you need care immediately, go to the nearest emergency room".

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    If I go to my regular doctor the copay is $20.00. There is no deductible for checkups, office visits, etc. Certain kinds of tests, hospital stays, ER, has a $1000.00 deductible and a cap. If you go over the cap you're on your own until next year I think, but I suspect that if that were the case they's find some way to drop your expensive unhealthy ass.

    There used to be a program for getting regular care and following health guidelines (not smoking/drinking diet exercise, etc) that would raise the cap or lower deductibles/payments, but I think that's gone now, was a good idea.
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    Oh yeah, and that costs $800.00 a month - I pay half.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I agree. I think catastrophic care only insurance doesn't "count" as far as whether someone is insured or not and has access to more than "care when Jaws of life and ICU are required", and I could only say anything decent about high deductible insurance existing if it were inordinately cheap for people who *only* wanted catastrophic care insurance. But because I do work in an HR capacity, I do know that the insurance I have isn't cheap, which is the flabbergasting part of it.
    I don't even want to know what mine costs. It's part of my disability package, so I don't have to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    At the new Urgent Care facility here, connected to the Adventist Health hospital, there is a fee scale dependent on how long the doctor is with you, and on the severity of the condition -- so at least at one facility, there is a difference between a stubbed toe and pneumonia.

    And for their inaugural year, first visits are free!
    Adventist Health is free to calculate the fees by whatever means they like.

    But what gets paid is defined by the criteria set by Medicare (for all cases, not just Medicare insurance). And, if Adventist does not document Medicare's (not their) criteria in their charts, they will not get paid at all (not even by the private insurance companies).

    (In other words, this is just a marketing ploy, not some "reform" of how they calculate their bills).
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    I can't conceive of why they'd send you to the ER unless that means they don't have to pay a primary care physician and you aren't going over the deductible.

    Otherwise that just costs then more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I agree. I think catastrophic care only insurance doesn't "count" as far as whether someone is insured or not and has access to more than "care when Jaws of life and ICU are required", and I could only say anything decent about high deductible insurance existing if it were inordinately cheap for people who *only* wanted catastrophic care insurance. But because I do work in an HR capacity, I do know that the insurance I have isn't cheap, which is the flabbergasting part of it.
    You're right. Crisis only insurance is not health care - it's crisis care for you and pretty safe gambling for the insurace company. If that's all you have, in effect you don't have health care at all.
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    I can't conceive of why they'd send you to the ER unless that means they don't have to pay a primary care physician and you aren't going over the deductible.

    Otherwise that just costs then more.
    It costs 'WAY more! It's over $600 just to go through triage at the ER, and another few hundred to sit down in a cubicle and wait to see someone.

    But it takes three days or more to get in to see a primary care physician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I don't even want to know what mine costs. It's part of my disability package, so I don't have to know.
    AHHHH, they've probably flagged you into the crappy care/expensive monthly payment category. What's more interesting is that with a recognized disability you could get insurance at all. You wouldn't be able to here in Texas - they'd just refer you to the fed.
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