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    Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    The following report speaks to how the demographic changes are going against the Republicans but whether they can stem the tide by nationally pumping up the white vote. I will be posting my own response after this opening; and that's due to space. I can warn that this is a long report. It's worth it. —CoolBlue71

    Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win
    With Whites Alone

    Obama lost key groups of white voters by the largest margins since the 1980s,
    but that doesn’t mean Republicans can rely on whites to retake the White House.


    By Ronald Brownstein
    September 5, 2013 | http://www.nationaljournal.com/magaz...alone-20130905

    This much is undisputed: In 2012, President Obama lost white voters by a larger margin than any winning presidential candidate in U.S. history. In his reelection, Obama lost ground from 2008 with almost every conceivable segment of the white electorate. With several key groups of whites, he recorded the weakest national performance for any Democratic nominee since the Republican landslides of the 1980s.

    In 2012, Obama won a smaller share of white Catholics than any Democrat since Jimmy Carter in 1980; lost groups ranging from white seniors to white women to white married and blue-collar men by the widest margin of any Democrat since Ronald Reagan routed Walter Mondale in 1984; and even lost among Democratic-leaning college-educated women by the widest margin since Michael Dukakis in 1988, according to the latest National Journal analysis of the trends that shape the allegiances of American voters.

    And yet, behind rousing support from minorities everywhere, and often much more competitive showings among whites in both Democratic-leaning and battleground states, Obama not only won reelection but won fairly comfortably.

    Few decisions may carry greater consequences for the Republican Party in 2016 than how it interprets these facts. The key question facing the GOP is whether Obama’s 2012 performance represents a structural Democratic decline among whites that could deepen even further in the years ahead—or a floor from which the next Democratic nominee is likely to improve.

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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    Interesting. I think the most telling story of this party driving off a cliff is the 'autopsy' that came to the conclusion they must support immigration and they must have a direction not just being against Obama. Since that time the party has steadfastly refused to take that advice. Going to be a long slow flame out. As you see Obama's policy decisions being turned on their head, you can now understand why Hillary is not a part of this administration.
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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    the country is run by republicans for many years---even with a dem in the white house---I know rep can win white house no matter what math progressives want to believe in---this is a scary fact looking at the mutants in the rep party that want to be prez.

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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    it seem that the cycle will never be broken....we vote cuz it makes us feel part of the process, but in essence the winner is picked by the houses ...it is NOT a coincedence that it has been ..dem/rep/dem/rep/dem/rep..for so many years....they have created a loop to keep us in check. dem gets in things get better and we feel comfortable because the need is for the people.....then republican gets in and fucks it all up again because people mean nothing its all about money and power.....then it goes again. since hilary is a dem , the odds she will win 2016 are minimal because it would challenge the cycle, it really sucks because i think she could be amazing.
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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    Actually I think it will be likely that it will be another Dem in 2016.

    Any person who has some understanding of US politics know the Democrats got fucked over for the 2010s due to their radical push to the left that opened wide the GOP to redistrict much of the country in its favor. It explains why the GOP still manages to hold onto Congress but will not likely get the Senate majority or White House.

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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    After the Syrian mess and seeing how Obama and his crew has made the mess they made even worse. I think if the republicans run a true conservative for President, they will win big.

    I always get a laugh out of the articles written by liberal bloggers who are so concerned about republicans disappearing. The author makes a huge assumption that republicans are racists and have nothing to do with minorities. The author should look at what minorities are being elected --- republicans.

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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    Of course republicans won't win. There aren't enough frightened, angry racists to vote in an election. The right wing will try their best to lie and gerrymander their way to win something....anything, but they're fading fast.

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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    The republican party will chew itself in half once again this time around. They learned absolutely nothing from the last two ass whippings, except 'the mean race card people don't like them'

    Unfortunately for us since the math does not equate to a republican in the whitehouse, the re-districting means republicans can harm our country until after 2020. Or in other words, Dems keep the top spot but republicans can continue to be obstructionalist to anything going forward in America.

    So Jack, Help me out.... how do republicans take any of the following states EVER??

    So 24 votes to grab? In the remaining states that swing around in the wind? Face it Jack by alienating aliens and racing past the races the republican party loses, over and over and over and over.
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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    Both parties have been given 'last rites' in the past.

    Life goes on. If you remember the republican party decisively won the House in 2010. Americans are seeing how democrats are fumbling foreign policy right now and if the economy does not turn around, people will vote republican in 2016.

    The author and you are both assuming that illegal aliens will vote in future elections and that they will hold grudges against republicans. After the 1987 law - Americans elected two republicans and two democrats as President.

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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Both parties have been given 'last rites' in the past.

    Life goes on. If you remember the republican party decisively won the House in 2010. Americans are seeing how democrats are fumbling foreign policy right now and if the economy does not turn around, people will vote republican in 2016.

    The author and you are both assuming that illegal aliens will vote in future elections and that they will hold grudges against republicans. After the 1987 law - Americans elected two republicans and two democrats as President.
    That military intervention would appear no longer to be an option I would propose that Obama's sabre rattling has worked to ensure that Assad surrenders his chemical weapons...in other words a foreign policy success for President Obama.

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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    ^^^

    The cat is out of the bag. I think many eyes have been opened during the past several weeks.

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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^^

    The cat is out of the bag. I think many eyes have been opened during the past several weeks.
    That the United States, and Russia have persuaded Assad's regime to surrender its chemical weapons arsenal for destruction?

    I'd say that Obama's tactics threatening military intervention produced the result that he originally intended....further proving that Obama, and Putin can find common ground when the alternative is further distabilisation of the Middle East that nobody needs.

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    What's a true conservative, Jack? Please describe in some detail if possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    That the United States, and Russia have persuaded Assad's regime to surrender its chemical weapons arsenal for destruction?

    I'd say that Obama's tactics threatening military intervention produced the result that he originally intended....further proving that Obama, and Putin can find common ground when the alternative is further distabilisation of the Middle East that nobody needs.
    Kerry was just talking .. he wasn't serious. The State Department walked his statement back right after he said it. He's tired, too old for the job ... talking without listening or thinking.

    You can't keep saying you're for something if you said you were against it -- that's what the Obama is doing right now. They are talking in so many directions it makes your head spin. It makes you wonder if there is really anyone in charge.

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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    The good cop, bad cop (Kerry) routine is a common strategy in the international political arena with the right result to prove the effectiveness of the strategy employed by President Obama.....

    I'd give Obama 9 out of 10, and even compliment Putin for being so cooperative with the United States.

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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    [Secretary of State John Kerry is] too old for the job
    Whose red line is that?

    42 Representatives and 24 Senators are older than John Kerry.

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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    that's what the Obama is doing right now.
    The Obama? Which Obama?

    Also, I am still hoping for an answer to my question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    The good cop, bad cop (Kerry) routine is a common strategy in the international political arena with the right result to prove the effectiveness of the strategy employed by President Obama.....

    I'd give Obama 9 out of 10, and even compliment Putin for being so cooperative with the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Whose red line is that?

    42 Representatives and 24 Senators are older than John Kerry.
    Time for them to retire ... enjoy their grandchildren, spend the millions they made as representatives and senators.

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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    After the Syrian mess and seeing how Obama and his crew has made the mess they made even worse. I think if the republicans run a true conservative for President, they will win big.
    What a NOVEL idea!!!!!!!!!

    Republicans haven't run a true conservative for President since Bob Dole's try in 1996.

    A CONSERVATIVE does not work overtime to destroy the ecology (anti-"conservation"), try their hardest to make sure the population is sick and cannot get treated and dies early, people go without edjumakayshuns or get "educated by stupid" using textbooks written by rednecks for Texans, force state-mandated rape on women who simply ask about abortions, etc.
    "All legal U. S. residents who are 18 years or older, shall have an unconditional right to vote." - We need a 28th Amendment to the U. S. Constitution which resembles this...NOW!

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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    So your answer is there is no answer for the shitty math and then deflect deflect deflect.

    So Jack you prefer the situation where the Administration ignores the new information, lies to the public and then wastes trillions of dollars and countless lives on lies? That is what your party demonstrated as a foreign policy. They demonstrated no other entity on earth takes them with credibility and they DO NOT get their initial goal just a vast mired land of suffering and waste.

    Is that what you wish for the current situation? The idea of a peaceful relinquishment of chemical weapons is bad to you jack? Tell me please?
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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    Back to topic.

    I think there is a very real likelihood that Republicans and whites will be disproportionately over-represented. The reason: their voter turnout is higher.

    I don't ignore the effects of gerrymandering. I am just not certain the Republicans have to be so resolute. I believe they could actually take more districts if they seized the main chance.





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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    What a NOVEL idea!!!!!!!!!

    Republicans haven't run a true conservative for President since Bob Dole's try in 1996.

    A CONSERVATIVE does not work overtime to destroy the ecology (anti-"conservation"), try their hardest to make sure the population is sick and cannot get treated and dies early, people go without edjumakayshuns or get "educated by stupid" using textbooks written by rednecks for Texans, force state-mandated rape on women who simply ask about abortions, etc.
    Wait, we still don't have Jack's definition of a "true conservative". Perhaps all the things you list are in the plus column for him and he simply doesn't think Romney was conservative enough...
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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    It will take another presidental election for them to figure that out.

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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    Clinton will win in 2016 if she runs. No decent competition for her, and she'll score the minorities and immigrants since the GOP hates them.

    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    That military intervention would appear no longer to be an option I would propose that Obama's sabre rattling has worked to ensure that Assad surrenders his chemical weapons...in other words a foreign policy success for President Obama.
    Oh? You're talking about the 'deal' being brokered by non-superpower Russia (and not America)? The country that is likely producing the chemical weapons for Syria anyway? Riiight. This 'deal' isn't worth anything. It's designed to perceive Russia as a peace negotiator, and to take alleged authoritative power away from America. Nothing more.
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    ^^

    Clinton will be too old. If he really wants to run in 2016, a better use of her time would be disappearing from the public view for a year and getting a facelift.

    If she does run in 2016 she will be confronted by hoards of people yelling Benghazi! She cooked her own goose in her testimony.

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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    Clinton will be too old. If he really wants to run in 2016, a better use of her time would be disappearing from the public view for a year and getting a facelift.

    If she does run in 2016 she will be confronted by hoards of people yelling Benghazi! She cooked her own goose in her testimony.
    You actually believe that, don't you? I honestly believe that somebody outside of Teabagistan actually CARES about Benghazi. You REALLY desperately need to go out more. Multiple polls show that if Clinton runs, there is no Republican currently being discussed as a possible nominee that could win against her. Deal with it.
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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    As a matter of curiosity, wasn't Benghazi a surgical strike by the terrorists to degrade the US presence?

    In our view of preemption should we complain? In our lights shouldn't it be legit?

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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Clinton will be too old.
    Reagan: elected at 71
    Clinton: would be elected at 68. Fuzzy math?

    If he really wants to run in 2016, a better use of her time would be disappearing from the public view for a year and getting a facelift.
    Got mysogeny?

    If she does run in 2016 she will be confronted by hoards of people yelling Benghazi! She cooked her own goose in her testimony.
    She "cooked her own goose" when she killed Vince Foster.


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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    As a matter of curiosity, wasn't Benghazi a surgical strike by the terrorists to degrade the US presence?

    In our view of preemption should we complain? In our lights shouldn't it be legit?
    We don't know why the consulate was attacked. No interest by the Administration in informing us.

    I don't understand your last two questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    We don't know why the consulate was attacked. No interest by the Administration in informing us.

    I don't understand your last two questions.
    ¿What's good for the goose is good for the gander?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    Reagan: elected at 71
    Clinton: would be elected at 68. Fuzzy math?

    <snip>

    She "cooked her own goose" when she killed Vince Foster.
    If John McCain were elected in 2008 he would have been 72.
    If Bob Dole were elected in 1996 he would have been 73.
    Ron Paul was in his 70's also.

    Republicans always nominate whomever's "turn" it is to run for President, but unfortunately when their turn comes up they're all ancient.

    Oh, don't forget that not only did she kill Vince Foster, she and Bill dealt drugs out of the White House. So says The Clinton Chronicles.

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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    Jack Springer effectively admitted that his Republican Party isn't conservative.

    Jay Hawk's quotation of states—which include the "Blue Firewall"—speaks to the limitations for the Republicans. When the party won 400-plus-vote landslides in the 1970s and 1980s, mathematically they did not need to carry Florida and Ohio. Nowadays, they can't pull off a winning electoral map without both.
    Last edited by CoolBlue71; September 10th, 2013 at 09:32 PM.

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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    Actually I think it will be likely that it will be another Dem in 2016.

    Any person who has some understanding of US politics know the Democrats got fucked over for the 2010s due to their radical push to the left that opened wide the GOP to redistrict much of the country in its favor. It explains why the GOP still manages to hold onto Congress but will not likely get the Senate majority or White House.
    We will have a better indication as we are going into 2016.

    As for the "radical push to the left," it was a radical push to "corporatism"—the details of the healthcare bill; which included no public option (which polled over 60 percent approval nationally); it was a slap to actual liberals and—with them being a huge part of the base—they were not particularly inspired to turn out for the 2010 midterm elections.

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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

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    Election 2008 (above left) saw Barack Obama carry 43 percent of the white vote nationally. Taking inspiration from those who think whites are monolithic, I put together a map, kind of like a model, showing how the states would have carried had all 50 (plus District of Columbia) boasted 43-percent voting support throughout all. (Totals: John McCain 129 | Barack Obama 409.)

    Unlike previous cycles, Election 2012 (above right) did not include exit polls of all 50 states plus D.C. Associated Press had exit polls in 31 states. Very disappointing for those who like to have this info available (and that includes me)! Texas, the No. 2 most-populous state, was not exit-polled. Georgia, which overtook Michigan to become No. 8 in rank (and was one of three Republican/John McCain states from 2008 in which the female vote was won over by President Obama), was also not exit-polled. With my 2012 map, also kind of model in which President Obama was re-elected even with 39 percent of the national white vote, some states were left gray because I did not have sufficient information to compute the results. (Totals: Mitt Romney 182 | Barack Obama 306. Not determined: 50.)

    By the way: All other 2008 and 2012 voting results, by race, are being kept in tact. This is about whites.

    (Note: I forgot how to enlarge the images.)
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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    The GOP must change, but the GOP can't change: the 'evangelicals' won't let it.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^^

    The cat is out of the bag. I think many eyes have been opened during the past several weeks.
    The cat is out of the bag.
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    Re: Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone

    OP's title is half right. As the late Tip O'Neal once asserted that "all politics is local" That would apply to districts that have been gerrymandered to death and the effectiveness of voter suppression." Teabaggers know this. Voters were conned into believing their false promises.

    On the other hand, national elections are quite different. The Republicon base is comprised of white, aging, wealthy, heterosexual males who are living under the delusion that they are losing the world of the Cleavers and the Nelsons, who never existed in the first place. These voters are scared to death at the empowered voting blocks over which they have no control. (Blacks, women, immigrants and LGBT persons.) What do Republicons have to offer to these voters? HINT: Nothing.


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    What's a true conservative, Jack? Please describe in some detail if possible.
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    Couldn't have said it better myself.


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    Conservatives failed to make any noise, in fact, they held no discussion at all when a player in the supposed Bengahzi scandal was confirmed this week.

    Jack,
    I will tell you why Benghazi occurred when you can tell me why the USS Cole occurred, why the Twin Towers were destroyed, why the Beirut Marine Barracks were bombed, or why any other act of terror occurred over the last sixty years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    The GOP must change, but the GOP can't change: the 'evangelicals' won't let it.
    Not so fast...the evangelicals actually DID let it change...we are seeing the result of that change every day. Reagan began the marriage from hell when he jumped in bed with Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority,....or Immoral Minority...however you choose to look at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    Not so fast...the evangelicals actually DID let it change...we are seeing the result of that change every day. Reagan began the marriage from hell when he jumped in bed with Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority,....or Immoral Minority...however you choose to look at it.
    In those terms, they didn't "let" it anything -- that was a planned, orchestrated takeover.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    Not so fast...the evangelicals actually DID let it change...we are seeing the result of that change every day. Reagan began the marriage from hell when he jumped in bed with Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority,....or Immoral Minority...however you choose to look at it.
    What really spurned the Moral Majority into action was the passage of Roe v. Wade. (The law of unintended consequences.) They now had Carte Blanche to condemn anyone they didn't like.

    I've already posted this somewhere else, but it deserves a second look:



    Sen. Goldwater was a sage.


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    it will take 20 years for the hater racist crones in the Republican party to die off enough to give the GOP a chance at rebirth. Until then we'll all have to suffer.

    Unless something pretty dramatic happens and all those so called "moderate conservatives" I've been assured exist in vast numbers actually appear somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    What really spurned the Moral Majority into action was the passage of Roe v. Wade. (The law of unintended consequences.) They now had Carte Blanche to condemn anyone they didn't like.

    I've already posted this somewhere else, but it deserves a second look:



    Sen. Goldwater was a sage.
    My Grandmother in New York HATED religion...and she worshipped Goldwater...I don't know if one had anything to do with the other or not. She had a fight with my father when she found out he let me go to Sunday Mass on Easter with his friends one time. When she went into town everyday and we had lunch at the Woolworths counter I was bribed with toys from the Woolworths basement to tell the waitress and whatever other clerk we ran into the "Vote For Goldwater".

    Barry was right on in that quote. I wish there were more of the actual Republicans from the past around so we could have a reasoned dialogue. Hell...I am as far left as you can get but I actually liked a lot of things about Nixon.

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    The most burning question is where can one find that hot guy in Chrisrobin's avatar....
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    it will take 20 years for the hater racist crones in the Republican party to die off enough to give the GOP a chance at rebirth. Until then we'll all have to suffer.

    Unless something pretty dramatic happens and all those so called "moderate conservatives" I've been assured exist in vast numbers actually appear somewhere.
    The real question is how long it will take until the 'evangelical' infection of the GOP shrinks to a sufficiently small portion that the rest of the party feels they can get away with shoving them over the side and returning to the modern world,

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Rand Paul has said he would like to see the 1964 Civil Rights Act go away and Ted Cruz has already turned off many people in his own party,if Hil runs she'll have a field day with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    After the Syrian mess and seeing how Obama and his crew has made the mess they made even worse. I think if the republicans run a true conservative for President, they will win big.

    I always get a laugh out of the articles written by liberal bloggers who are so concerned about republicans disappearing. The author makes a huge assumption that republicans are racists and have nothing to do with minorities. The author should look at what minorities are being elected --- republicans.
    A "true conservative" would probably capture a fantastic portion of the electorate.

    Of course, there hasn't been one in any running since Barry Goldwater. So don't hold your breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    A "true conservative" would probably capture a fantastic portion of the electorate.

    Of course, there hasn't been one in any running since Barry Goldwater. So don't hold your breath.
    If there had been a real conservative running against Obama, he/she would have gotten my vote.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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