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    Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle13724670/


    Canada’s refugee board is likely to look favourably on claims of persecution by gay asylum-seekers from Russia, the Immigration Minister says. Chris Alexander said Monday in Surrey, B.C., that Russia has taken the wrong path in restricting the fundamental rights of its gay community, and that any refugee claims “related to this particular issue will of course be looked at very seriously by our very generous system.”

    It's the right thing to do and a far improvement from the "None is too many" policy toward refugees that we had going into WWII.

    So for all the gay Russians out there, welcome aboard. We drink a bit less on average, but you'll find the weather very familiar.

    I must admit, I'm curious to know whether the Citizenship Minister will extend the same welcome mat for Ugandan gays.
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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

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    I don't think this is the first time Canada has been a refuge to those in need. Kudos to Canada!

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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    Seeking safe-haven in Canada seems to be the thing to do. Many of my friends (and family) have moved to Canada in the past 2 years or so. I plan to move there myself one day. I'm glad they're planning to help our brothers and sisters in Russia. This post gives me all kinds of warm fuzzies.

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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    Cool for Canada to do this!

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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    What if some Russians pretend to be gay ?
    Is there a cock sucking test to see if he is legit ?


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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    No! Bring these hot Russians to America!
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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    It is a fucking disgrace that gay people in Russia even need to consider leaving their home country because of violence and persecution. Fuck Russia!

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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    Canada will be all the more interesting and richer for having them come here.

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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    What if some Russians pretend to be gay ?
    Is there a cock sucking test to see if he is legit ?
    LOL.

    Seriously, I think that it's great. I'd like to thank the government of Canada fo that decision.

    I hope that it will help some Russian gays.

    But I myself do no want to be a refugee.

    I really believe that a person must become an immigrant only if he or she has some opportunites to find a well-paid and social respectable job.

    I understand those Russians who are super-class programmers or super-class athletes or ex-Soviet scientists, who decided to immigrate.

    But I suppose that to become a refugee means to become a second-rate person, not respected in the the new society.

    Or even worser to become a parasite, a man who doesn't yearn his money by working hard, but depends on social support.
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    Good for Canada! They'll be better off up there than here. We got a lot of shit to straighten out.
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    @ Russian bottom slut

    Not at all. Many people come to Canada as refugees and have become very successful and valued members of the community.

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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    Quote Originally Posted by Russian Bottom Slut View Post
    LOL.

    Seriously, I think that it's great. I'd like to thank the government of Canada fo that decision.

    I hope that it will help some Russian gays.

    But I myself do no want to be a refugee.

    I really believe that a person must become an immigrant only if he or she has some opportunites to find a well-paid and social respectable job.

    I understand those Russians who are super-class programmers or super-class athletes or ex-Soviet scientists, who decided to immigrate.

    But I suppose that to become a refugee means to become a second-rate person, not respected in the the new society.

    Or even worser to become a parasite, a man who doesn't yearn his money by working hard, but depends on social support.
    Russians are not obliged to come as a refugee.

    There is the Federal Skilled Worker Program:
    http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigra...lled/index.asp

    This is a path to permanent residence and citizenship.

    There is also the Temporary Foreign Worker Program, which is also open to those whose skills may not be as specialized:
    http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/work/apply-who.asp

    Depending on the occupation and the province chosen, it can also lead to permanent residence.
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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    Canada has always been a welcoming country. Good for them! The GOP can take lessons from our neighbors to the north.

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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    Quote Originally Posted by cherton View Post
    It is a fucking disgrace that gay people in Russia even need to consider leaving their home country because of violence and persecution. Fuck Russia!
    Russia has been like that since the arrival of the Mongol horde.

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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    Is this after he had been refused entry to the US?

    Just asking here....
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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Canada has always been a welcoming country. Good for them! The GOP can take lessons from our neighbors to the north.
    The GOP can take lessons
    Certainly you jest! I don't think Ayn Rand was Canadian.

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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    Certainly you jest! I don't think Ayn Rand was Canadian.
    No, but apparently she had some weird and abiding connection to Winnipeg.
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    Maple syrup flavored vodka. Sounds delicious.

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    ^ It is by the way....An oz of Murple surple to 1 oz of Vodka makes a great winter martini.

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    Maple syrup flavored vodka. Sounds delicious.
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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    Good for them.

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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    bankside
    Thank you very much for the links. I'll study them.

    rareboy
    I hope so. Still I don't know ANY stories about Russians,
    who became prestigious and well-paid specialists (I don't mean taxi drivers) by becoming a refugee.

    I know some stories about people, who immigrated (mostly in the USA), because they were high-classed specialists, who weren't able to find a good job after the collapse of Soviet Union. But they were not refugees.

    And I suppose that a person is culturally connected with his homeland anyway.

    Remember Alexander Solzhenitsyn for example. He was forced to immigrate. But he didn't become an American writer. He was RUSSIAN writer.

    I am not Solzhenitsyn, but I know Russian language, Russian history, Russian culture much better than Canadian or American.

    So, seriously, I think my homeland is a better place to stay.

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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.c...icles/russians

    An interesting article on the Russian communities of Canada. Good luck whether you stay or look abroad.
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    bankside

    Thanks. I really think that to immigrate is a good decision for some Russian gays.

    But I live not in Russia, but in Moscow. And I am a Moscow native, so I think I am not in such a bad situation.

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    It certainly helps when the Minister of Foreign Affairs plays for our team

    ...or so they say

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    Quote Originally Posted by cherton View Post
    It is a fucking disgrace that gay people in Russia even need to consider leaving their home country because of violence and persecution. Fuck Russia!
    Maybe Obama will send a few cruise missiles into the Kremlin, in support of Russian gays.

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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    What about Syrian refugees? Or gay, Syrian refugees?

    I'm amazed at how easy Russia has gotten off with its blatantly homophobic laws.

    "The West" has dropped the ball with Russia. It's like "The West" is afraid of it. Putin grabs onto power, makes being gay criminal, and does what it can to prevent backwards countries from being held accountable (Iran and Syria for starters).

    I can't believe Putin's anti-Americanism has an audience over there. And, that, some Russians would believe that we'd care what Putin says and does. They don't know the grass is greener over here.
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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    makes being gay criminal,
    No, to be gay was criminal in Soviet Union. But it's not criminal in Russia. Sexual relationship between two males or two females are not criminal.

    The law just force gays to stay in closet. As far as the majority of Russian gays are staying in closet and are not very politically active, it doesn't change much.

    This law is just a way to prevent people of thinking about more important problems. Sometimes, I begin to thnik that gay activism is also a way to prevent people of thinking about more inevitalbe problems.

    And do you really believe that Putin is anti-American or anti-Western?

    He holds money from oil and gas in American banks! In fact Putin is being widely criticized by our communists for holding money in American banks not using them for Russian industry.

    Putin also made Russia a member of World Trade Organistion. It was also much critisized by Russian communists and some people from Russian industrial sector.

    Economics is much more important thing than politics and PR.

    On the field of the economics Putin is absolutely pro-Western and pro-American. He supported the membership in World Trade Organisation, despite communistic protests and he holds money from gas trade in American banks.

    His rhetorics is also less anti-American than the rhetorics of some Latin American leaders. He never called any American president a "diabolus" as some left-oriented Latin American politicians.

    So, Putin is not anti-Western. And on the field of economics he has much in common with the Republicans. He supports the idea of "letting the rich become richer". He is not socialist at all, despite using some symbols from Soviet past.

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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    The new anti gay Russian legislation encourages violence against gays, by morons concerned with exacting punishment on those who appear "different" which will inevitably create a much more conformist society, Putin's design to ensure that Russians are noted for their masculine ways drinking vodka, and dying prematurely....with Putin's own emphasis on stripping to the waist posing for the paparazzi (emulating Benito Mussolini's clownish theatrical appearances way back in the 1930s) an appeal to the Russian voter to support a clean living heterosexual with an appetite for being photographed semi-naked.

    This article sheds a little more light on the consequences arising from this legislation tragic for a society trying to throw off its unhappy experiment with Communism.:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...hobic-violence

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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    Yes, unfortunately we have some right-oriented organistaions, which became more anti-gay.
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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    I beg you pardon for my previous post. I just want to say that the attention to homophobia in particular is a little bit silly. People should understand that Russian society is very agressive in general. People live is scuh condicitions that make them rude.

    There are lots of cases that an absolutely heterosexeual person in Russia can be beaten to half-death. Just becsuse he do not let some redneck to drive his car first on the highway.

    Do you know that some car drivers in Russia still use baseball bats and have them in the cars? And baseball is not very popular in Russia.

    So, maybe all Russians should immigrate to Canada or somethere else? Not only gays?

    But I think that it's impossible to the whole nation to immigrate. We should build our socirty by oursleves.

    I do not support Putin. I just think that the roots of his regime is in 1990, when Boris Yeltsin ruled in our country. I think his politics were also not very wise. He just lend money from the West and said "the right words" about "democracy" like some clown.

    Anti-Western hysteria in modern Russia is silly. But late Gorbachev and Yeltsin's politics when we are just lend money from other countries were not very wise also.

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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    To immigrate is to escape. Russian gays and other Russian people should learn to solve their problems.

    I hope that the situation will become better. Some Russians now became more einlightened, Those of them who live in Mocow are middle-classed.

    But unfortunately the middle-class in Russia is very narrow. The poliitcs of Boris Yeltsin and the radical reformes of 1990s had some responsibility for that.

    Also Russians are more used to agression, That's the result of not onyl the awful refime of Stalin, but also the result of no less awful anarcihistic and criminal 1990s.

    But now middle-class people become more independent more critical to the government. Government tries to use some poor people phobias.

    And unfortunately there are a lot of poor people in Russia, who think that gays are some Western creme de la creme, who don't understand that gays can be part of all classes.

    The are a lot of hate in Russia in general. For exaple people who live outside of Moscow sometimes hate people who live in Moscow.

    But the whole nation can't immigrate. To imigrate can be a soluion fro some person but not for the whole nation.

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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    ^ Well to be clear about this...we don't want the entire country to emigrate. We're just happy to help those who are being persecuted because they are homos to escape a dangerous and potentially deadly situation.

    Sadly, I don't think that homo rights is likely to even get a mention while the G20 leaders ham it up over Syria and the sputtering world economy over borscht and Stroganoff this week in St. Petersburg.

    In a related note, Canada has just given shelter to 7 Algerian ballet dancers who were being threatened with harm and death in their own backward shithole of a country.

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    rareboy

    I just mean that to immigrate is to escape. Gays in West fought for their rights. They did not immigrate, they fought.

    And this fight was not an easy one. Anti-gay fundamentalist organistaions still exists, even if they became marginal now.

    The other problem is that the LGBT right is a part of human rights. There are lots of problems on the field of human rights in Russia.

    This is the result of both the 70 year of communism and absolutely criminal and corrupted regime of Boris Yeltsin, who was unfortunately totally supported by the West.

    And I beg you not to call Algeria or some other country a shithole. Algeria became such a shithole because it was colonised by France. It was economically collapsed by the process of colonisation.

    Russia was also economically collapsed during 1990s, when our leaders just lend Western money and did nothing more.

    If educated Algerians or Russians will hate their homeland and just thinking how to immigrate, then their countries will be in such a condition for a long time.

    I love my country, despite it has very difficult history. I don't think that Russians are more essentialy homophobic than other people (in fact in XIX century Russia was less homphobic than the USA).

    I just think that Russians has a long way to democracy and to understanding human values and human rights. But at first we should improve the situation with the rights of the majority. And only after the we can improve the situation with the rights of the minority.


    And to immigrate, to think "Oh, my country is shit, I want to spit on it and immigrate" is just to escape problems, not to solve them.
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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    Quote Originally Posted by Russian Bottom Slut View Post
    rareboy

    I just mean that to immigrate is to escape. Gays in West fought for their rights. They did not immigrate, they fought.

    And this fight was not an easy one. Anti-gay fundamentalist organistaions still exists, even if they became marginal now.

    The other problem is that the LGBT right is a part of human rights. There are lots of problems on the field of human rights in Russia.

    This is the result of both the 70 year of communism and absolutely criminal and corrupted regime of Boris Yeltsin, who was unfortunately totally supported by the West.

    And I beg you not to call Algeria or some other country a shithole. Algeria became such a shithole because it was colonised by France. It was economically collapsed by the process of colonisation.

    Russia was also economically collapsed during 1990s, when our leaders just lend Western money and did nothing more.

    If educated Algerians or Russians will hate their homeland and just thinking how to immigrate, then their countries will be in such a condition for a long time.

    I love my country, despite it has very difficult history. I don't think that Russians are more essentialy homophobic than other people (in fact in XIX century Russia was less homphobic than the USA).

    I just think that Russians has a long way to democracy and to understanding human values and human rights. But at first we should improve the situation with the rights of the majority. And only after the we can improve the situation with the rights of the minority.


    And to immigrate, to think "Oh, my country is shit, I want to spit on it and immigrate" is just to escape problems, not to solve them.
    I see your point..
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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    I'm glad you love your country and want to stay to fight for gay rights. The fact is though that in the past, the western countries were slow in acting and this has historically led to some horrifying consequences for persecuted people.

    Having visited Russia and having Russian friends, I am not as confident as you about the future of homo rights in your nation over the next decade. I see the strong hand of the fundamentalist Orthodox church forming a hard fist. In the past, this has been used with terrible results.

    Certainly we all wish our friends in Russia all the best in the fight but I'm glad we're here and willing to help protect those who are truly at risk.

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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    Thanks!

    I think that in some ways the situation is not so bad now.

    Firstly, people now know more about gays than in the USSR than even for educated people gays were terra incognita.

    So, gays are more open now than in the USSR.

    Other thing is that now (unlike the poor 1990s) we have some middle-class. That middle-class is Western-oriented and do not want to live in an isolated country.

    But there are a lots of Russians who are still poor and declassed. Putin use their phobias.

    Russian Orthodox Church is just in instrument for that. In fact RUSSIANS ARE NOT VERY RELIGIOUS.


    Lots of Russians can be homophobic and anticlerical at the same time.

    Putin's aim is to repress middle-class in general, not only gays. So, it's only a beginning of long process...

    If middle-classed heterosexuals' voices become more influental in modern Russia, than it will be a time for gays.

    We just need to wait now. And then make a decision how to act. But now is not the moment for that. Now we should wait, how will the situation change.

    Besides, our elite is also not so anti-Western. It is also not monolite.
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    Re: Canada will welcome gay Russian refugees.

    Quote Originally Posted by Russian Bottom Slut View Post
    No, to be gay was criminal in Soviet Union. But it's not criminal in Russia. Sexual relationship between two males or two females are not criminal.

    The law just force gays to stay in closet. As far as the majority of Russian gays are staying in closet and are not very politically active, it doesn't change much.

    This law is just a way to prevent people of thinking about more important problems. Sometimes, I begin to thnik that gay activism is also a way to prevent people of thinking about more inevitalbe problems.

    And do you really believe that Putin is anti-American or anti-Western?

    He holds money from oil and gas in American banks! In fact Putin is being widely criticized by our communists for holding money in American banks not using them for Russian industry.

    Putin also made Russia a member of World Trade Organistion. It was also much critisized by Russian communists and some people from Russian industrial sector.

    Economics is much more important thing than politics and PR.

    On the field of the economics Putin is absolutely pro-Western and pro-American. He supported the membership in World Trade Organisation, despite communistic protests and he holds money from gas trade in American banks.

    His rhetorics is also less anti-American than the rhetorics of some Latin American leaders. He never called any American president a "diabolus" as some left-oriented Latin American politicians.

    So, Putin is not anti-Western. And on the field of economics he has much in common with the Republicans. He supports the idea of "letting the rich become richer". He is not socialist at all, despite using some symbols from Soviet past.

    From what I've read, Putin seems to be going after all the wealthy people who made their money (maybe unethically) after the Soviet Union broke up. For an economy, so dependent on the price of oil, you'd think he'd be worried about that than antagonizing people. The whole adoptions ban doesn't hurt Americans. It hurts Russian orphans who could use a loving family, even if the family is a world away. That legislation was petty. I'm not so sure how it played out over there, but I can tell you that there are many more countries in this world that will let Americans adopt their children.

    I read online that Putin said that he wasn't anti-American and didn't want to ruin relations with us when discussing what would happen with Snowden. The article said there was snickering in the audience after the comment with Putin smiling in response. That sounds like open anti-Americanism.

    Why is it that no Russians are angry or doing anything about Putin changing the laws giving him more power and less criticism from a truly independent press? Why are reporters from NGO's dying? There are many abnormalities and stories of overreaching by Putin in the US press and the articles never seem to capture Russian feelings on these issues. (Like this week, someone seized paintings of Putin in lingerie. Seriously?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    I'm amazed at how easy Russia has gotten off with its blatantly homophobic laws.

    "The West" has dropped the ball with Russia. It's like "The West" is afraid of it. Putin grabs onto power, makes being gay criminal, and does what it can to prevent backwards countries from being held accountable (Iran and Syria for starters).
    Not "the West" -- Europe. With Russia's petroleum supply, Putin has the EU by the balls. He could destroy their economy in a week by ordering the pipelines shut off, and they know it.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    . . . .
    The whole adoptions ban doesn't hurt Americans. It hurts Russian orphans who could use a loving family, even if the family is a world away. That legislation was petty. I'm not so sure how it played out over there, but I can tell you that there are many more countries in this world that will let Americans adopt their children.
    Putin is freaked over the fact that Russia has a negative population growth rate, so he doesn't want to let any child leave Russia behind.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Kulindahr
    Russia depend on Europe, much more than Europe on us.

    Europe can buy non-Russian gas. Norway has gas. So, we depend on Europe.


    Lostlover
    The answer is simple. If people do not have BASIC rights, they do not care for higher rights.

    If a person lives in poverty, that person just struggles for life and do not think about free elections or some other things.

    Russians see no connection between the democracy and order. This is the result of the years of Boris Yeltsin.

    And Boris Yeltsin was absolutely supported by the USA administration.

    It was him, not Putin, who made this autocratic and cleptocratic regime.

    The USA put a blind eye to that criminal capitalism in Russia. Certainly, it wasn't their fault. It was Russians's fault that they were very naive and did not know nothing about capitalism and it's problems.

    The results of "shocking therapy" in Russia, ideologically supported by the USA, was absolutely destructive.

    We have very narrow middle-class. I think that even China, despite it's problems will have more infleuntal middle-class.

    Sure, they are not democratic. But at last they are not on the level of national degradation.

    And lots (not all) Russians are on the level of national degradation. This is the result of the "shocking therapy".

    Our industry and science was collapsed in 1990s. Our scientists went to the USA.

    In Soviet Union we have working class. Now we don't.

    In Soviet Union we have the class of engeneers and scientists. Now we don't.

    We just have a population of degradants. And some narrow class of super-rich people.

    Even the problem of alcoholism, which was certainly a big problem in the USSR, only rised.

    Now we have even more alcoholics than in the USSR. And mcuh more drug-addicts,

    Russians, who worked in Soviet industry lost everything.

    All Russia became some kind of Detroit.
    So, it is hypocritic that people who supported Yeltsin criticise Putin. Putin was "born" by Yeltsin. The Yeltsin's years are the roots, the Putin's are the result.
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    The rapid mass privatisation which followed the break up of the Soviet Union fuelled an increase in death rates among men, research suggests

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    Let me explain again.
    Russian people lived for 70 years in an isolated country. They knew very little about the West. They knew very little about gays also, They do not have free elections.

    Bad? - Certainly!

    Now. 1990s. They have abstract freedom. They have elections (though, Yeltsin was able to win in 1996 only with making some hysteria against his opponents).

    But Russians lost any social stability, lost their jobs. People who were intellectual workers began to do less intellectual work or immigrated.

    Gangsters filled our streets.

    Our "democrats" and "liberals" believed that it was inevitable for the tramsision between communism and capitalism.

    They even did not mind if some people will die during the period of "shock" reforms.

    Our "liberals" of 1990 had absolutely cynical Darwinian attitude towars people.

    So, thanks to our 1990s leaders lots of Russians who losteven weak social quarantees that they had in Soviet Union, believe that "democracy" is the synonimus of "anarchy".

    Certainly, it is our fault. But is it real that Western leaders did not understand that the FAST, not SLOW transmission from communism to capitalism results only in ganster form of capitalism?

    Was it not evedent? So, why Clinton and Co. supported the shock therapy? They were fools? Or they wre just arrogant people, who believed in their superiority?

    You can't take some isolated country and made it Westernised in 2 years. You just collapse the country.

    So, this alll was the result of both immorality of our own elite and arrogance of Western elite.

    The result is total Detroit-isation of Russia.

    The result of the deeds of our corrupted elite. And the arrogance of Western elite. The arrogance, the belief that you can change people's mind in a day is very dangerous.
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    Russia depend on Europe, much more than Europe on us.

    Europe can buy non-Russian gas. Norway has gas. So, we depend on Europe.
    Europe gets about a quarter of its petroleum from Russia, and even more of its natural gas. There are no suppliers who could make up the difference if Putin turned off the faucet. So if Russia turned off the oil -- which Putin has shown he will do if he's pissed -- the EU economy would go into the toilet.

    Of course, so would the rest of the world, because all the other suppliers would jack up the price; gas at the pump in the US would pass $5 per gallon and head upward almost overnight. But the PTBs in Russia have never cared what happens to the world or their own people so long as they keep power.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    But is it real that Western leaders did not understand that the FAST, not SLOW transmission from communism to capitalism results only in ganster form of capitalism?

    Was it not evedent? So, why Clinton and Co. supported the shock therapy? They were fools? Or they wre just arrogant people, who believed in their superiority?

    You can't take some isolated country and made it Westernised in 2 years. You just collapse the country.
    If by "Westernized" you mean "free market" -- actually, you can. You just don't take your advice, as Clinton and the rest did, from people who do venture capitalism and/or run giant predatory corporations. That's like asking giant corporations to renew a forest; their idea of that is to cut it all down and leave it on its own -- no, you ask the little guy, who understands the forest and sees that if he takes care of it, it will take care of him.

    The result Russia got came from believing Wall Street and not asking main street. Wall Street thrives only because they ride on top of an economy built and maintained in healthy fashion by the multitude of people who run small businesses across the country. Yeltsin should have told all the representatives of big capitalism to go to hell, and invited in ten thousand shop owners from across the US and Europe to show people in Russia how to do it.

    The speed of transition is irrelevant. A country gets gangsters capitalism because they took advice from gangsters.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Europe gets about a quarter of its petroleum from Russia, and even more of its natural gas. There are no suppliers who could make up the difference if Putin turned off the faucet. So if Russia turned off the oil -- which Putin has shown he will do if he's pissed -- the EU economy would go into the toilet.
    Actually I think Canada could. If it happened tomorrow there would definitely be a recession while everyone panicked and built infrastructure. But if it happened in 3 years I'm not so sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russian Bottom Slut View Post
    The result is total Detroit-isation of Russia.

    The result of the deeds of our corrupted elite. And the arrogance of Western elite. The arrogance, the belief that you can change people's mind in a day is very dangerous.
    What is the first step to fixing it?
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Actually I think Canada could. If it happened tomorrow there would definitely be a recession while everyone panicked and built infrastructure. But if it happened in 3 years I'm not so sure.
    In three years, possibly.

    But even the thought of it should be even more incentive to build up the alternatives.


    Maybe some gay Russian refugee will by the one to come up with a way to free Europe from that dependence.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Kulindahr

    Maybe Europe depends on Russian gas, but Russian depends on Europians goods also. And if Germany will decide not to buy Russian gas, I believe that Russian economics will collapse faster than German. We do not have BVW and other brands. We have only one brand - Gazprom. And some brands from the Soviet past - mostly our weapons, which we can sell to some Third World countries.

    So, I do not think taht Putin don't care about the opinion of Europeans.

    Lots of Russians (and some Americans also) still support death penalty. Maybe I should say that the majority of Russians support death penalty.

    But Putin is against death penalty. Despite his populustic actions such as the returning of Soviet athem, etc, he did not return to death penalty.

    So, I think that his attitude towards death penalty case is one of the evidence that he is afraid about what Europeans will think about him.

    bankside

    I hope that middle-class in Russia will become stronger. In Moscow and St.Petersburg people want more freedom and liberty.

    But outisde of Moscow life is quite different. People do not undrstand that only democratic regime can provide them law and order. They want law, order and social stability, but they don't see the connection between the democracy and such things.

    And on the field of homophobia only a long-time work can improve the situation.

    I remember one TV-show (something like Russian version of "Oprah"). It was about transgenders. One of the heroes was a transgender from Russian provience. His mother - a simple uneducated person - was in somewhat hysterical condition. She cried: "Ah, what should I do?"

    But some members of Russian boheme, who were participants of that talk-show, began to critisize her for being not enlightened.

    I was in total shock. This woman needed a psychologist! But instead of that she was critisized by some "pop-singers" (which in modern Russia usually do not have any voice, they just need to have big tits) for being not very "modern" and "bright"!
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