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    What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

    There are plenty of initiatives underway. Some to be enthused by and some to be proud of concerning recent efforts.

    The military announced not only would they offer same sex partners full marriage benefits but are working on service specific programs so that couples can travel to a state that allows same sex marriage if they live in one that does not.

    Military same-sex couples to get full benefits

    Additionally, I heard a news report this morning concerning a legally married in Vermont couple who is seeking the constitutional protection embodied in spousal privilege in a murder trial in Kentucky.

    Kentucky Gay Couple Seeks Spousal Privilege Protection In Murder Trial

    Both of those are great steps forward for equality. Recently an Ohio couple was successful in a court decisions to have the death certificate read "married" so that the same sex spouse can be eventually buried in the family cemetery.

    Without JockBoy87's constant spurring of these conversation I find they are not occurring. So this is my attempt to get the insight of those of you legal-philes who enjoy this sort of thing.

    SO what is happening around you? What do you think will be the issue that drives a Supreme court review of enforcing the states normal policy of recognition of other state laws (including marriage)
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    The California Supreme Court rejected ProtectMarriage's last desperate appeal, finally driving a final stake into the heart of Prop 8. The court said the appeal was a veiled attempt to get the state court to overrule a federal court on a meaningless technicality.
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    Re: What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

    I'll have to depend on this site, probably, to hear about any news from my own state of Illinois.
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    Re: What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

    Equalityontrial is a great way to get updates on marriage equality battles in various states.
    It should be noted that tommorrow,New Jersey will be hearing legal arguments on why gay marriage should be brought to NJ and how civil unions are seperate and unequal.

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    The latest Gallup poll shows record high support for same-sex marriage (54%) and record low opposition (43%), and no backlash following the Supreme Court decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    I'll have to depend on this site, probably, to hear about any news from my own state of Illinois.
    The Illinois House would like to emulate its Federal counterpart --- to do nothing. It can't even approve a state pension bill. The "Equal Marriage" bill was supposed to be passed on Valentine's day. The year was not specified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Equalityontrial is a great way to get updates on marriage equality battles in various states.
    It should be noted that tommorrow,New Jersey will be hearing legal arguments on why gay marriage should be brought to NJ and how civil unions are seperate and unequal.
    The NJ Supreme Court will likely rule that there is a right to same sex marriage in New Jersey. The state enacted civil unions when the NJ Sup. Ct. ruled that gay couples had to have the same rights as married couples. Now that the federal government will recognize gay marriages in granting federal benefits, but not necessarily civil unions, I don't know how the NJ Sup. Ct. could rule otherwise.

    Incidentally, the NJ legislature approved same sex marriage. Unfortunately, Governor Fat Fuck vetoed it, and the legislature does not have the votes to override the veto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palemale View Post
    The NJ Supreme Court will likely rule that there is a right to same sex marriage in New Jersey. The state enacted civil unions when the NJ Sup. Ct. ruled that gay couples had to have the same rights as married couples. Now that the federal government will recognize gay marriages in granting federal benefits, but not necessarily civil unions, I don't know how the NJ Sup. Ct. could rule otherwise.

    Incidentally, the NJ legislature approved same sex marriage. Unfortunately, Governor Fat Fuck vetoed it, and the legislature does not have the votes to override the veto.
    Exactly, but likely/hopefully it will be with summary judgment.

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    Re: What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

    There have been Civil Partnerships in the UK for several years, but last month the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013 received Royal Assent meaning that gay marriage is now legal in England and Wales. It's expected that the first marriages will take place next summer. Apparently the delay is for general administration (including updating the IT so that it can deal with same sex spouses) and amending the surviving spouse legislation for pensions.

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    Re: What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

    I think it is exciting that since the first state legislature heard arguments over same sexes marrying 22 years ago, we can now expect change to come at a relatively quicker pace. I was even heartened by the idea that Ohio could be headed towards a legal showdown for equal rights.

    Still i wonder which argument (if any) will push the Supreme court into forcing recognition and thereby forcing same sex marriage on every state.
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    Re: What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I think it is exciting that since the first state legislature heard arguments over same sexes marrying 22 years ago, we can now expect change to come at a relatively quicker pace. I was even heartened by the idea that Ohio could be headed towards a legal showdown for equal rights.

    Still i wonder which argument (if any) will push the Supreme court into forcing recognition and thereby forcing same sex marriage on every state.
    I imagine it will either be done on 5th amendment grounds or even the 14th amendment

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    Re: What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

    I was leaning on the fifth because of the recent story i saw about the lesbian couple in KY. However, that is only because I recently read the story. lol....
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    Re: What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

    The DoD announced it will be expanding all marriage benefits to same sex couples by September 1st. The delay is caused by the need to conduct software updates to the DEERS system that is used to track dependent family members and their status to handle same sex couples but all benefits will be retroactive to the date of the Supreme Court ruling.

    An interesting benefit to be offered is the option for same sex couples planning to get married but are stationed over 100 miles from any state that authorizes same sex marriage to take a week's leave (10 days for overseas) to travel to a place where they can be married. This caused some discussion at work about appropriateness since there is no similar benefit for opposite sex couples but as I pointed out there no place you can be stationed where you would be more than a 100 miles from a place that will perform an opposite sex wedding.
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    Re: What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

    Yeah that is a fantastic perk they are offering along with the benefits. That was what spurred my initial post about the military benefits. I was happy. Funny thing is I am winding down my career so i will narrowly benefit if I choose to marry in the next few years. Yet that also opens the door to a vast array of dependent benefits for when I retire.
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    Re: What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    The DoD announced it will be expanding all marriage benefits to same sex couples by September 1st. The delay is caused by the need to conduct software updates to the DEERS system that is used to track dependent family members and their status to handle same sex couples but all benefits will be retroactive to the date of the Supreme Court ruling.

    An interesting benefit to be offered is the option for same sex couples planning to get married but are stationed over 100 miles from any state that authorizes same sex marriage to take a week's leave (10 days for overseas) to travel to a place where they can be married. This caused some discussion at work about appropriateness since there is no similar benefit for opposite sex couples but as I pointed out there no place you can be stationed where you would be more than a 100 miles from a place that will perform an opposite sex wedding.
    Indeed, a straight couple can simply go to the nearest court and get married. A gay couple might have to travel hundreds of miles to do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Indeed, a straight couple can simply go to the nearest court and get married. A gay couple might have to travel hundreds of miles to do the same.
    This is one aspect that points to a deep thought in enacting the policy for the DoD. I appreciate such considerations. Oddly, I am at a point in my life where I dont know what I would give if I married my beau or if I intend to do so at this point. It is odd to finally have the ability and not necessarily have the desire. Because of my service I will give whomever I marry a lifetime paycheck if they outlive me, and considering my love of younger twinks, it is likely....

    In other news (not that my life is news) ....

    Gay marriage law comes into effect in New Zealand


    The legalisation of gay marriage adds another notch to New Zealand's liberal record. It was the first country in the world to grant women the right to vote in 1893 and it has declared itself to be nuclear-free since 1984.
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    Re: What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

    Meh... I can talk to myself I suppose... lol

    PA Court To Hear Same-Sex Marriage Arguments On Sept. 4

    This could have momentum. A County arguing the constitutionality of the state one man, one women marriage law gaining momentum with two mayors joining the fray has all the correct gravitas to end up in the supreme court, dontcha think?

    In western Pennsylvania, Braddock Mayor John Fetterman said he has performed several same-sex marriages at his home. In State College, Mayor Elizabeth Goreham instead hosted a same-sex wedding while inviting a local minister to perform the service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Meh... I can talk to myself I suppose... lol

    PA Court To Hear Same-Sex Marriage Arguments On Sept. 4

    This could have momentum. A County arguing the constitutionality of the state one man, one women marriage law gaining momentum with two mayors joining the fray has all the correct gravitas to end up in the supreme court, dontcha think?
    Indeed. There already is the federal court case pending in Pennsylvania, but this could push the issue to the state supreme court quickly.

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    Re: What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

    9 Sept 2013:

    Happening October 28:

    Hawaii Governor Calls Gay Marriage Special Session

    HONOLULU — Gov. Neil Abercrombie on Monday called for a special legislative session to move forward on a bill that would legalize gay marriage.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...ces&ref=topbar

    Hawaii already has civil unions.

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    Re: What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    9 Sept 2013:

    Happening October 28:



    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...ces&ref=topbar

    Hawaii already has civil unions.
    Indeed,which can be helpful in passing this along. Keep in mind there is a lawsuit pending against the gay marriage ban and even thought it was clear before that civil unions before DOMA were seperate and unequal,since Section 3 has been struck down,it's become even more obvious.
    Considering this is a special session,I don't think it would get called unless the votes are there.

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    Interesting, Hawaii has been on the forefront of gay marriage for a long time. They legalized it at one point which was then blamed on 'lying tv ads' and voted down and then civil unions were installed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Indeed,which can be helpful in passing this along. Keep in mind there is a lawsuit pending against the gay marriage ban and even thought it was clear before that civil unions before DOMA were seperate and unequal,since Section 3 has been struck down,it's become even more obvious.
    Considering this is a special session,I don't think it would get called unless the votes are there.
    The whip count showed 27/16 with 8 undecided in the House and 20/5 in the Senate.

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    Re: What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

    If the number stays true,gay marriage will be legal in Hawaii,as 26 is the magic number.

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    Re: What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

    Current status:

    • 13 States (MA, CA, CT, IA, NH, VT, NY, ME, MD, WA, MN, RI, DE)
    • New Mexico (8 counties)
    • Pennsylvania (174 licenses pending)
    • 6 Tribes


    Pending actions:

    -final resolution soon-

    • New Mexico - Pending state supreme court appeal October 23
    • Hawaii - Pending special session October 28
    • New Jersey - Pending superior court decision anytime. Veto override possible
    • Illinois - Pending veto session Oct/Nov


    -final resolution at a future time-

    • Oregon - Pending 2014 ballot
    • Indiana - Constitutional ban pending 2014 ballot (likely the last one)
    • Pennsylvania - Pending federal court and appeals in state court. Schedule conference September 30
    • Nevada - Pending 2016 ballot and federal court (December briefs due)
    • Michigan - Hearing for motions in federal court October 16
    • Ohio - Hearing for motions in federal court December 18
    • North Carolina - Briefs due November 15
    • Texas - Divorce only. Oral argument at state supreme court on November 5


    -New lawsuits without any scheduled dates-

    • Oklahoma, Utah, Arkansas (federal and state), Kentucky, South Carolina, Virginia




    See Your complete guide to marriage efforts in each state @ AFER.ORG for more details

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    Re: What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

    An update on the NJ veto override situation:

    TRENTON — Under the din of a bustling election season, there’s a quiet movement afoot to make gay marriage a reality in New Jersey by the end of the year.
    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf...de_effort.html

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    September 30th for Pennsylvania is that for the state or federal case? Also the district court judge in Illinois is supposed to issue a ruling on motions/summary judgment very soon I believe.

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    ..............................

    Illinois?


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    So Illinois may be the next state?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    September 30th for Pennsylvania is that for the state or federal case? Also the district court judge in Illinois is supposed to issue a ruling on motions/summary judgment very soon I believe.
    Federal.

    The ruling on motions in Illinois is due this Friday the 27th. However, it will need to survive appeals if the judge approves summary judgment.

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    So Illinois may be the next state?
    The next four will be in rapid succession in all likelihood making it difficult to predict the order. Illinois will be one of them, but Hawaii is likely to be first around November 2 or 3.
    Last edited by Alnitak; September 23rd, 2013 at 02:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    So Illinois may be the next state?
    I heard something new on my radio this morning. Somebody in the House that was awake brought up the economic value of equality of marriage. Maybe the invitation from the mayor of Minneapolis had something to do with it. "Come on up to Minneapolis," he said.

    An interesting angle: not having equality of marriage might be damaging to Illinois' economy.
    Old expression from noted economist, Pope Pius XII: "Money she's a talk - bullshit she's a walk."
    Last edited by chrisrobin; September 23rd, 2013 at 02:33 PM.

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    It's my understanding that summary judgments move through the appeals process fast, so depending on the timing New Jersey and Illinois could beat Hawaii.

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    Re: What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

    .
    Gay marriage 'tourism': How big an economic boom for states?

    http://news.yahoo.com/gay-marriage-t...175611709.html

    When Minnesota enacted a same-sex marriage law this summer, Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak saw an economic opportunity.
    Earlier this month, he flew to Illinois – where legislators had recently failed to pass a same-sex marriage bill – to launch “Marry Me In Minneapolis.” Mayor Rybak invited same-sex couples from Chicago to wed (and spend a few dollars) in his city.
    The Illinois House better get on the stick (so to speak).

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    It's my understanding that summary judgments move through the appeals process fast, so depending on the timing New Jersey and Illinois could beat Hawaii.
    In the meantime, New Jersey trial courts cannot stay their own summary judgments. So that's something to look forward to.
    Last edited by Alnitak; September 24th, 2013 at 05:51 PM.

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    Re: What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

    The New Mexico Supreme Court will be hearing arguments Oct .23. It's possible they could leaglize gay marriage in NM that very dya or shortly thereafter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    The New Mexico Supreme Court will be hearing arguments Oct .23. It's possible they could leaglize gay marriage in NM that very dya or shortly thereafter.
    A flurry of activity in NM.

    http://www.abqjournal.com/268083/new...age-in-nm.html

    Republican state legislators, three county clerks, more than a dozen University of New Mexico School of Law professors, the American Civil Liberties Union and other state and national groups weighed in on the last day to file written arguments, giving the state’s five Supreme Court justices plenty to digest before the Oct. 23 hearing.
    Who's against it?

    two dozen current and former GOP lawmakers, represented by a Christian law group called Alliance Defending Freedom
    However, Attorney General Gary King’s office asked the Supreme Court to declare the denial of marriage licenses to same-sex couples as unconstitutional. He says there is no “rational basis” on which to treat same-sex couples differently from straight couples.

    Republican Governor Gov. Susana Martinez, hasn't intervened. She wants a vote. Vote for equal rights. Yeah, right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    The New Mexico Supreme Court will be hearing arguments Oct .23. It's possible they could leaglize gay marriage in NM that very dya or shortly thereafter.
    I've always thought of New Mexico as being rather progressive, especially Santa Fe and Taos.



    I guess New Mexico isn't called the "Land of Enchantment" for nothing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    I've always thought of New Mexico as being rather progressive, especially Santa Fe and Taos.


    I guess New Mexico isn't called the "Land of Enchantment" for nothing!
    Yes and no.

    New Mexico has never passed partnership rights, but has never banned same sex marriage either.

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    Re: What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

    Democrats control the Senate and House in New Mexico and while some of them are opposed to SSM,the last thing they want to do in an off year is increase the number of older voters whom are likely to come out and vote Republican by putting a gay marriage ban on the ballot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Democrats control the Senate and House in New Mexico and while some of them are opposed to SSM,the last thing they want to do in an off year is increase the number of older voters whom are likely to come out and vote Republican by putting a gay marriage ban on the ballot.
    I think our side now has the turnout/enthusiasm advantage, even in an off year election.

    Also, it was just announced in South Carolina that briefs are due November 15th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Democrats control the Senate and House in New Mexico and while some of them are opposed to SSM,the last thing they want to do in an off year is increase the number of older voters whom are likely to come out and vote Republican by putting a gay marriage ban on the ballot.
    Democrats are not necessarily liberal, especially away from the Northeast and West Coast, though in New Mexico they are tepidly liberal. If NM had a Democratic governor, there would have been a real chance at passing a same sex marriage law this year.

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    Re: What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

    Here's something new on the gay marriage front.

    George H. W. Bush served as a witness at the gay marriage of Bonnie Clement and Helen Thorgalsen in Maine over the last weekend.

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    ^ In the end, all the Republican politicians are hypocritical lovers of the gays. The bastards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Democrats are not necessarily liberal, especially away from the Northeast and West Coast, though in New Mexico they are tepidly liberal. If NM had a Democratic governor, there would have been a real chance at passing a same sex marriage law this year.
    Indeed they aren't,and even if they are,doesn't mean they are pro gay marriage. Illinois should be proof of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Indeed they aren't,and even if they are,doesn't mean they are pro gay marriage. Illinois should be proof of that.
    We probably have close to 80% of the Democrats in the House. The rest of the high numbered districts are downstate, which is wedged between Missouri, Indiana, and Kentucky, so no surprise there.

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    Speaking of Illinois,the judge just ruled the lawsuit against the ban will proceed. One way or another,Illinois will have marriage equality very soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Speaking of Illinois,the judge just ruled the lawsuit against the ban will proceed. One way or another,Illinois will have marriage equality very soon.
    It's a standard ruling in most cases. The defense will seek a dismissal, and the judge usually does not issue one for each count.

    The case in Illinois was not dismissed, but some of the counts were.

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    CHristie appealed in NJ like we all knew he would,the only "good news" is that he's asking it to be fast tracked straight to the State Supreme Court which means this whole thing could be settled sooner versus later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    CHristie appealed in NJ like we all knew he would,the only "good news" is that he's asking it to be fast tracked straight to the State Supreme Court which means this whole thing could be settled sooner versus later.
    There's a good chance they won't hear the case, and even if they do that either:

    -a stay won't be granted

    -it'll be resolved without a trial by the 21st of October, thus no stay will be needed

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    Oregon in the spotlight

    I just heard it on ABC news, so I hope I got this right: Oregon's governor has directed the counties to honor same-sex marriages from other states. It sounded like this applies only to residents of other states moving to Oregon, at this point.

    I'll try to update when I find more.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    There are marriage equality cases in TWENTY states now, making their way through the system.

    Sadly, Michigan didn't do shit today and the judge postponed the decision for February.
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