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    I found this link in an email this AM.

    http://www.nclrights.org/cases-and-p...latta-v-otter/

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    Four same-sex couples have filed a federal lawsuit in Boise challenging Idaho’s laws prohibiting same-sex couples from marrying and refusing to respect the legal marriages of same-sex couples who married in other states.

    The lawsuit argues that Idaho’s laws barring same-sex couples from marrying and prohibiting the state from respecting the marriages of same-sex couples who married in other states violates the United States Constitution’s guarantees of equal protection and due process.
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    You knew marriage equality was going to pass by all the stalling tactics the anti-equality side did. You don't do that unless you are trying to kill the bill.
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    I just found out that through the First Nation Ministry I can get ordained to become an official minister. I will be able to perform marriage ceremonies. Looks like I have a way to make Texas a Gay Marriage friendly state./satire off

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    We work with you to become a trained and licensed Officiant for all ceremonial rites, with legal ordination through First Nation Ministry and comprehensive certification through the American Council of Wedding Officiants (ACWO). The process generally takes only a few days, is simple, requires minimal study* and is valid and legal everywhere in the world!

    Under the bylaws of First Nation Ministry, any person can serve as a ceremonial minister (or Officiant) for weddings, funerals, commitment ceremonies, handfasting, house blessings, naming ceremonies and other rites with approval of the church's board. Click here to begin the ordination process ... it only takes a few minutes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    I just found out that through the First Nation Ministry I can get ordained to become an official minister. I will be able to perform marriage ceremonies. Looks like I have a way to make Texas a Gay Marriage friendly state./satire off
    No joke, that's already taken place in Oklahoma. If that interests you why don't you go for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    I just found out that through the First Nation Ministry I can get ordained to become an official minister. I will be able to perform marriage ceremonies. Looks like I have a way to make Texas a Gay Marriage friendly state./satire off

    http://www.firstnationministry.org/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    No joke, that's already taken place in Oklahoma. If that interests you why don't you go for it?
    Wow! I have a funny feeling about this. But you and Palbert are for it. Thinking, Thinking, Thinking. Will let you know.
    Oh, I don't know any gays here in CC let some that want to get married.
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    The Hawaii Senate will approve the House amendments when it reconvenes sometime after 2 pm (EST) on Tuesday, Nov 12. After that, the bill gets sent to Gov. Abercrombie. Of course, that places Hawaii again in competition with Illinois, whose bill has a signing on November 20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    The Hawaii Senate will approve the House amendments when it reconvenes sometime after 2 pm (EST) on Tuesday, Nov 12. After that, the bill gets sent to Gov. Abercrombie. Of course, that places Hawaii again in competition with Illinois, whose bill has a signing on November 20.
    I'd say we are still #15, since the signing is a done deal and there is already a date set for the start of marriages.

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    Illinois is number 15,Hawaii will be 16. NM is likely to be 17th and sadly,until Oregon (most likely) repeals its amendment to become the 18th,that will most likely be where the count is until the courts step in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Illinois is number 15,Hawaii will be 16. NM is likely to be 17th and sadly,until Oregon (most likely) repeals its amendment to become the 18th,that will most likely be where the count is until the courts step in.
    If the Virginia Attorney General race indeed heads in the direction it looks to be then they are likely to be state number 18. Also, Colorado and possibly Ohio are strong contenders for amendment repeals/legalization for 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    If the Virginia Attorney General race indeed heads in the direction it looks to be then they are likely to be state number 18. Also, Colorado and possibly Ohio are strong contenders for amendment repeals/legalization for 2014.
    Time will tell. The courts are the only way Virginia will allow gay marriage and that will take time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Time will tell. The courts are the only way Virginia will allow gay marriage and that will take time.
    That it will, but we must remember this: The women's movement started in Seneca Falls, N.Y. in 1845. By 1924, women were allowed to vote in a presidential election. Regarding equality, we're way ahead of the game as it stands right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Time will tell. The courts are the only way Virginia will allow gay marriage and that will take time.
    The district court the case is pending in is the fastest one in the country. The average time frame from case filing to decision handed down is only 1 year (it's not nicknamed The Rocket Docket for nothing). If no statewide officials step in to defend it (and the family groups can't anymore due to the Supreme Court rejecting Perry due to lack of standing), then there is a strong chance marriage equality will be a reality in Virginia by next fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    That it will, but we must remember this: The women's movement started in Seneca Falls, N.Y. in 1845. By 1924, women were allowed to vote in a presidential election. Regarding equality, we're way ahead of the game as it stands right now.

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    Don't you mean 1920?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Illinois is number 15,Hawaii will be 16. NM is likely to be 17th and sadly,until Oregon (most likely) repeals its amendment to become the 18th,that will most likely be where the count is until the courts step in.
    Nevada is half way there already, and Colorado, Michigan, Arizona, and Ohio can go to the ballot at any time. In fact I anticipate it all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    There is no bull's rush, anytime soon, to start allowing polygamy, or marriage to close relatives, or letting me marry my refrigerator (or a cat, if I chose to get one). Of course marriage to relatives has been proven, for a long time, to tend to cause gene-pool issues.

    I'm not convinced that polygamy is harmful, except that the genders are more-or-less balanced in this country (something like 48% men, 52% women? - less a small number with gender ambiguity) and, as polygamy is almost always a guy marrying multiple women, the available pool could go out of balance.
    Polyamory is already here and accepted by much of the LGBT community, if not the straight world just yet.

    Polygamy as a legal construct has consequences for class warfare in relation to availability of spouses.

    It's already a problem in China where a permanent underclass of men cannot attract available spouses, up to 15% of men in fact. The reason: available women are all taken by wealthier men. Chinese culture today does not widely practice polygamy, but it does practice selective abortions favoring male babies. What if Chinese men who could afford to support more than one wife started doing so in large numbers? The unmarriagable class would only widen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    The district court the case is pending in is the fastest one in the country. The average time frame from case filing to decision handed down is only 1 year (it's not nicknamed The Rocket Docket for nothing). If no statewide officials step in to defend it (and the family groups can't anymore due to the Supreme Court rejecting Perry due to lack of standing), then there is a strong chance marriage equality will be a reality in Virginia by next fall.

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    I do, thanks. Women really had a long, tough road - 75 years. National marriage equality should happen much sooner. We can only hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    I do, thanks. Women really had a long, tough road - 75 years. National marriage equality should happen much sooner. We can only hope.
    Nobody seems to agree when the movement for same sex marriage started, but there are several candidates:

    • May 18, 1970 Jack Baker and Mike McConnell filed for a marriage license and then fought for it in Minnesota court.
    • August 28, 1989 Andrew Sulllivan published "Here Comes the Groom: A (Conservative) Case for Gay Marriage."
    • May 1, 1990 same sex couples in Hawaii filed suit for marriage under Baehr v. Mike. Trial court find for the couples in 1996.



    Most everyone agrees that by the mid-90s, same sex marriage was a major issue. In 1996, the public got wind that same sex marriage would be legalized imminently without prophylactic legislation. In that year Congress and several states passed defense of marriage acts, and the rest is history until today.

    The roots go back to 1970, but by and large, the movement is only about twenty years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    The district court the case is pending in is the fastest one in the country. The average time frame from case filing to decision handed down is only 1 year (it's not nicknamed The Rocket Docket for nothing).
    Is this the Court in which the Republicans are blocking ALL THREE of the Obama nominations to fill the vacancies? They claim that he is "packing the Court" when he is merely doing his Constitutional duties to fill vacancies on this Court, and bring the number of judges back to the PRESCRIBED number for that Court.

    Now, FDR *did* try to pack the Supreme Court in the 1930's, by naming Justices which would bring the total number of Justices ABOVE NINE - now, THAT is what "packing the court" means.

    Whether it's THIS Court that Obama is merely trying to do his duty to restore the prescribed roster for, or not, how long did it take for THREE vacancies to accumulate? This has to be a process of YEARS, perhaps from as far back as Sen. McConnell's stated purpose was "to make Obama a one-term President."

    If it is this Court with the vacancies, any decision in it may not be as certain to be favorable to us, because I assume there are old Republican appointments in it as well, and the Republicans will do anything they can to make sure they don't lose that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    Is this the Court in which the Republicans are blocking ALL THREE of the Obama nominations to fill the vacancies? They claim that he is "packing the Court" when he is merely doing his Constitutional duties to fill vacancies on this Court, and bring the number of judges back to the PRESCRIBED number for that Court.
    That is the DC Court of Appeals. No marriage cases will ever go there.

    Bostic v. McDonnell is in the District Court Eastern District of Virginia, which falls under the heavily Democratic 4th Circuit Court of Appeals.

    If it is this Court with the vacancies, any decision in it may not be as certain to be favorable to us, because I assume there are old Republican appointments in it as well, and the Republicans will do anything they can to make sure they don't lose that.
    They stopped permitting appointments when the court was split 50-50.

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    The Hawaii Senate passed the Bill, as amended in the House, 19-4.

    Signing details are unconfirmed.

    The law will be effective December 2.

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013...hawaii.html?hp

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    Sweet 16 for marriage equality!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Sweet 16 for marriage equality!
    Congratulations to the Aloha State.



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    New Mexico will be next, likely by the end of the year.

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    New Mexico without question. After we close out that state in a few weeks, I'll start a new thread summarizing our gains and things happening next year.

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    Who's next? (He answers his own question.)

    These Are the Next Gay-Marriage Battlegrounds

    Read more: Next Battlegrounds: Where Gay Marriage Is and Is Not Legal in U.S. | TIME.com http://nation.time.com/2013/11/10/th...#ixzz2kZkMqj5o

    A synopsis:

    New Mexico: Possibly in Time for a New Year’s Eve Kiss
    Oregon: Wait Until Next Election
    Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Colorado, Nevada, Utah: Targeting 2016
    Virginia: Tell It to the Judge
    North Carolina: Pressing the Issue
    Mississippi, Texas, Tennessee: Not Anytime Soon

    The others: When Hell freezes over

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    .
    Who's next? (He answers his own question.)

    These Are the Next Gay-Marriage Battlegrounds

    Read more: Next Battlegrounds: Where Gay Marriage Is and Is Not Legal in U.S. | TIME.com http://nation.time.com/2013/11/10/th...#ixzz2kZkMqj5o

    A synopsis:

    New Mexico: Possibly in Time for a New Year’s Eve Kiss
    Oregon: Wait Until Next Election
    Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Colorado, Nevada, Utah: Targeting 2016
    Virginia: Tell It to the Judge
    North Carolina: Pressing the Issue
    Mississippi, Texas, Tennessee: Not Anytime Soon

    The others: When Hell freezes over
    Virginia, Colorado, and possibly Ohio are strong contenders for next year. In Virginia, Democrats have swept every statewide office, thus making it likely that no one will appeal a favorable ruling. Given the speed of the district court the case is being heard in (average filing to decision time frame is only 1 year), there's a good chance Virginia will be the 18th state with same sex marriage, and also the first southern state. Colorado is likely to announce shortly that they're going to the ballot in 2014. Signatures are already being collected and One Colorado has been traveling around the state meeting with supporters and sharing estimates as to what it will take to win (this past summer they consulted with Outfront MN to get said estimates). Ohio will depend largely on what happens in Indiana. Should Indiana send the amendment to the voters, Ohio will likely be put on the backburner until 2016. If the amendment dies in the legislature, there is a good chance Ohio will put it on the ballot. They have been collecting signatures and are likely close to their goal.

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    Mississippi, Texas, Tennessee: Not Anytime Soon
    Texas and Tennessee just had federal lawsuits filed a few weeks ago. They are De Leon v. Perry and Tanco v. Haslam respectively. Mississippi does not have a lawsuit against its DOMA per se, just one that would require recognition of other states'.

    However, those two cases might not even make it to appeals court before one of the oldest cases is decided by SCOTUS, and that could be either Sevcik (NV), Deboer (MI), or Kitchen (UT). The Nevada case currently before the 9th Circuit is already 18 months old. The Virginia and North Carolina cases will likely go undefended, and so they will not be appealed unless we lose them. All of the other cases were filed in July or later, so unless those oldies are the big 50 decision, we'll be watching them closely.

    In all, 18 states have 23 challenges to their marriage laws.
    Last edited by Alnitak; November 13th, 2013 at 08:35 PM.

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    So the Republican governor of North Carolina would be unable/unwilling to appeal the case?

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    There is a challenge to the new marriage law in Hawaii but I think it will DOA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    So the Republican governor of North Carolina would be unable/unwilling to appeal the case?
    Roy Cooper sure won't.

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    It took some digging on Lexis, but yes the Attorney General of North Carolina is independent.

    Dice v. Dep't of Transp., No. 831SC63, 1984 N.C. App. LEXIS 2989, at *12-14, 312 S.E.2d 241, 245-246 (N.C. Ct. App. 1984)

    The constitutional independence of these offices, and their differing functions and duties, create clear potential for conflict between their respective holders. In the event of such conflict, power in the Attorney General to resolve, without their consent, controversies involving agencies or departments under the supervision of the Governor, could be abused by exercise in a manner effectively derogative of the Governor's constitutional duties to exercise executive power and to supervise the official conduct of all executive officers. We do not believe the General Assembly, in the enactment of G.S. 114-2(2), intended to create such potential.

    ...

    This practice [of hiring additional counsel] would, however, cause additional expense to the State. It would also undermine, and perhaps ultimately destroy, the customary role of the Attorney General's office in representing the agencies and departments of the State, a role which historically has served the State well.

    Thus, to avoid additional expense to the State, and to preserve for the Attorney General's office a well-established role of proven utility, we believe the better rule to be that an agency or department of the State should have the right possessed by other litigants to determine whether its counsel, whether the Attorney General or otherwise, can enter a consent judgment on its behalf. Such a right is also consonant with fulfillment by the respective agencies and departments of the State of their statutorily assigned duties.
    So while the governor probably cannot overrule the attorney general's discretion, a separate agency would have the right to independent counsel. So it remains to be seen whether by this rule the case can proceed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    It took some digging on Lexis, but yes the Attorney General of North Carolina is independent.

    Dice v. Dep't of Transp., No. 831SC63, 1984 N.C. App. LEXIS 2989, at *12-14, 312 S.E.2d 241, 245-246 (N.C. Ct. App. 1984)



    So while the governor probably cannot overrule the attorney general's discretion, a separate agency would have the right to independent counsel. So it remains to be seen whether by this rule the case can proceed...
    But would they have standing in federal court?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    But would they have standing in federal court?
    That's the $64,000 question. While the governor can approve special counsel for an agency, federal court might not accept it, so we'll see.

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    Speaking of North Carolina, briefs are due tomorrow. It is one of the five current cases filed before Windsor was decided.

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    I'll say this about the NOrth Carolina ban,the people pushing for it didn't even bother to hide what they think of us. There is no way they can say animus didn't play a part in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    I'll say this about the NOrth Carolina ban,the people pushing for it didn't even bother to hide what they think of us. There is no way they can say animus didn't play a part in it.
    They also said that they knew it would be over in 20 years, little did they know it might not even last three.

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    The judge in the Pennsylvania federal case renamed Whitewood v. Wolf has denied the state's motion to dismiss. A trial date will be decided next week.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-1...e-says-1-.html

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    I think this was inevitable:

    http://progressillinois.com/news/con...ss+Illinois%29

    Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn plans to sign the state's marriage equality bill into law November 20. That same day, Bishop Thomas Paprocki of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Springfield says he will perform “prayers of supplication and exorcism” at the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception in the state's capital.

    “It is scandalous that so many Catholic politicians are responsible for enabling the passage of this legislation and even twisting the words of the pope to rationalize their actions despite the clear teaching of the church,” Paprocki said in a statement issued Thursday.
    As an evildoer who is destined for Hell I would like to tell Bishop Paprocki:

    "You tend your garden and I'll tend mine."

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    ^ As one happy homo who doesn't give a Fuck what Paprocki thinks...I'd like to only say...'Bite me bitch'. You don't know squat about what Chrisianity does or does not care about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
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    I think this was inevitable:

    http://progressillinois.com/news/con...ss+Illinois%29



    As an evildoer who is destined for Hell I would like to tell Bishop Paprocki:

    "You tend your garden and I'll tend mine."
    Exorcism??? Of whom? An exorcism is for a specific individual determined to be possessed by a demon or demons after a specified process. No bishop can just decide to do an exorcism of no one in particular....

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    On Monday, ten years ago, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court issued its opinion in Goodridge v. Department of Public Health.

    Thus, we celebrate 10 years of marriage equality in the United States.



    While Massachusetts is credited with the first court victory over marriage equality, in fact Hawaii came first in 1996, and then Alaska in 1998. Both of course were unfortunately preempted by constitutional amendments.

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    Cheney sisters feud over gay marriage

    http://news.yahoo.com/liz-mary-dick-...135437171.html

    "Liz has been a guest in our home, has spent time and shared holidays with our children, and when Mary and I got married in 2012 — she didn't hesitate to tell us how happy she was for us," Poe wrote. "To have her now say she doesn't support our right to marry is offensive to say the least."
    A Cheney? Offensive? I've never heard of such a thing!

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    Liz is pathetic in her obvious fakery of having a position on marriage at all...
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    ^ Hilarious.

    Hopefully sis drop kicks Liz right in the cunt for being one.

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    It will be worse when Liz loses. She has been sliding in the polls since Summer and has no chance against an established incumbent such as Enzi. When the dust settles, there will just be ill feelings at family gatherings. As far as I know, Liz is the only one in the immediate family with anti-gay views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    It will be worse when Liz loses. She has been sliding in the polls since Summer and has no chance against an established incumbent such as Enzi. When the dust settles, there will just be ill feelings at family gatherings. As far as I know, Liz is the only one in the immediate family with anti-gay views.
    This is my impression, also.

    Both Dick and Lynne Cheney support gay marriage, as does Mary, of course. Liz is the only holdout.

    Liz has no chance of winning this election. NPR said tonight that Mary and Liz aren't speaking to each other. Liz is destroying her family relationships in an attempt to appeal to Wyoming Republicans, to no good end.

    Why is it that "family values" candidates are so predictably anti-family?

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    That stupid bitch go to the sister's wedding to another women offering her full support then reverses course during a campaign???

    If ANY voter cannot see the shallow depth of her honesty with family and still would trust that person, then they deserve whatever fifth level of hell they are led into.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    That stupid bitch go to the sister's wedding to another women offering her full support then reverses course during a campaign???
    She didn't reverse course. She opposed gay marriage while attending one. Same story with Tony Abbott who has a gay sister.

    Seriously you can't make this stuff up.

    If ANY voter cannot see the shallow depth of her honesty with family and still would trust that person, then they deserve whatever fifth level of hell they are led into.
    They don't trust her; that's why her numbers are awful.
    Last edited by Alnitak; November 18th, 2013 at 04:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    If ANY voter cannot see the shallow depth of her honesty with family and still would trust that person, then they deserve whatever fifth level of hell they are led into.
    The (apparent) inability of voters to see through stuff like this always amazes me.

    But then, we're talking about people who insist the world is 6,000 years old, that global climate change is a liberal conspiracy, and that homosexuality is a "lifestyle choice."

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