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    Meanwhile, in Hawaii, science triumphs over religion-caused mental deficiency:

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    Love it ^^^

    Hawaii and Illinois are now neck and neck.

    The vote in Illinois is imminent!

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    It passed!
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    ^ Yay!!!!!!!!

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    Passed with 61 votes, just two more than needed !!!

    Now the senate will approve the changes.

    Illinois becomes the 15th state and brings the country to 37% of the population.

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    It passes!Number 15!!!

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    I was watching it live. Got kinda emotional, not gonna lie
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    Now on to Hawaii!

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    The Senate will vote on the changes right away.

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    And from what I gather, the governor will sign it right after.
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    Changes were approved 32-21. Gov Quinn to sign

    Totally unexpected. Great start to this week guys.
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    35 more states to go. Yay!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Passed with 61 votes, just two more than needed !!!

    Now the senate will approve the changes.

    Illinois becomes the 15th state and brings the country to 37% of the population.
    Boy, did you ever beat me to it. I got the email at 4:30 and you posted this at 4:10. Central time, of course. Way to go Illinois.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Boy, did you ever beat me to it. I got the email at 4:30 and you posted this at 4:10. Central time, of course. Way to go Illinois.
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    Great news from Illinois!

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    Whoo whoo! Great news! Wish I had caught it while I was at work but things got hellishly busy at the end of the day. Let's work on getting all 50!
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    Good for Illinois. This deserves a nipple rub!
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    More good news. The Hawaii House committees have advanced the bill to the floor. Hawaii will be the next state.

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    Passing the one-third level (by population, not by number of states) is a REALLY big deal.

    It will make it harder and harder for the highest Courts (ultimately the SCOTUS) to issue rulings which reverse all of this progress. Much more difficult to do so than ten years ago when Massachusetts was the only place that recognized these marriages.

    And even much MORE difficult after the elections one year ago, when even places like the 3M states (Minnesota, Maine, Maryland) along with Washington State supported such rights by POPULAR VOTE, which had rarely happened before.

    I still don't think that North Carolina (not that long ago) is the last state that will go "the other way" though - or do ALL of the "red states" now have antigay laws or Constitutional Amendments in place, in which case they've already gone the other way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    Passing the one-third level (by population, not by number of states) is a REALLY big deal.

    It will make it harder and harder for the highest Courts (ultimately the SCOTUS) to issue rulings which reverse all of this progress. Much more difficult to do so than ten years ago when Massachusetts was the only place that recognized these marriages.

    And even much MORE difficult after the elections one year ago, when even places like the 3M states (Minnesota, Maine, Maryland) along with Washington State supported such rights by POPULAR VOTE, which had rarely happened before.
    Progress won't be reversed by courts but it can be stunted. Still, the trajectory of case law is in our favor.

    We can pick up nine states just by winning at the legendary 9th Circuit and the heavily Democratic 4th Circuit, which includes Virginia, West Virginia, North Carolina, and South Carolina.

    I still don't think that North Carolina (not that long ago) is the last state that will go "the other way" though - or do ALL of the "red states" now have antigay laws or Constitutional Amendments in place, in which case they've already gone the other way?
    How do you mean?

    All but four conservative states have them. Wyoming, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Indiana are the holdouts. Only one of these, Pennsylvania, has a current state court fight. In addition, Indiana will be facing a potential amendment in 2014, but passage is not assured in the legislature.

    North Carolina does have a constitutional amendment, but there is also a federal court case that has yet to go to trial, and it is under the jurisdiction of the Democratic 4th Circuit. The neighboring Virginia case is going to get there first, and could legalize North Carolina by 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    And from what I gather, the governor will sign it right after.
    Thanks Gov. Quinn for being with us all the way!


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    Saw this on the ticker today. Good news indeed.
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    Yay for Illinois and soon, Hawaii. None of the election results today mattered to me as much as hearing this great news in the forward movement to marriage equality. Still by no means a won fight, but history is inevitably moving in that direction.
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    I might as well make this post where it belongs, rather than in "the other thread" where I first noticed this - I apologized for my post there being far, far off-topic. I don't even remember which thread it was, it was in HOT TOPICS, where I saw Rolyo85 make a post entirely unrelated to gay marriage, as that wasn't the topic.

    But it was there, that I posted that seeing his avatar with Illinois covered in a rainbow for the first time, I couldn't help but start crying. I had already known about it being passed in this state, but seeing the entire state of Illinois depicted as a rainbow REALLY brought it home to me, in all its wonder and all my gratitude for Springfield finally doing the right thing, after something like twenty months of broken promises and delays.

    (It WAS last year, right - or was it THIS year, early - when most people already thought it was a Done Deal?? When I'm having as much fun as I've been having so far this year, time does VERY strange things in my mind, and I can't tell whether this was about 7-8 or 19-20 months ago. Wow.)

    It will allow some life-changing things to happen for some friends, and I know some WHO WILL INDEED get married in this state. One couple was all set to go to Iowa and get married, which until this week would have been merely ceremonial within these state borders. Now it can be done IN STATE!

    Well, at least it's very imminent. I believe that it still has to be finished in the Senate, but it wasn't that chamber that put up all the opposition, it was the House in this state instead - and Governor Quinn has promised to sign it. So, even if it's not entirely passed and signed yet, it looks like it's a success!

    Tears for me are rare, but they're usually a good thing, and certainly true this time. This is fantastic news, and well overdue. And thank you Rolyo.

    Look...multiply that by thousands...all of that is now commerce which will not be outsourced to Iowa, New York, and other places anymore. It all adds up.
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    I doubt Texas will even consider it.

    Or lets see what happens after 2016
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    I doubt Texas will even consider it.

    Or lets see what happens after 2016
    The state legislature won't, but there is a state divorce case that went to oral arguments yesterday at the Texas Supreme Court, and a federal case was just filed.
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    Illinois means that 30% of US states now have marriage equality.

    But, because those states with marriage equality tend to be populous, I have made a rough calculation that 37% of the American population now has access to gay marriage. (If Hawaii becomes the 16th state soon, it will be 37.6% of the population).

    2012 census data:

    01 *California.............................38,041,430
    02 Texas....................................26,059,20 3
    03 *New York............................19,570,261
    04 Florida...................................19,317,5 68
    05 *Illinois...................................12,875 ,255
    06 Pennsylvania........................12,763,536
    07 Ohio.......................................11,544, 225
    08 Georgia...................................9,919,94 5
    09 Michigan.................................9,883,360
    10 North Carolina........................9,752,073
    11 *New Jersey...........................8,864,590
    12 Virginia....................................8,185, 867
    13 *Washington...........................6,897,012
    14 *Massachusetts.....................6,646,144
    15 Arizona...................................6,553,25 5
    16 Indiana....................................6,537,3 34
    17 Tennessee.............................6,456,243
    18 Missouri..................................6,021,98 8
    19 *Maryland...............................5,884,563
    20 Wisconsin...............................5,726,398
    21 *Minnesota.............................5,379,139
    22 Colorado.................................5,187,582
    23 Alabama .................................4,822,023
    24 South Carolina.......................4,723,723
    25 Louisiana................................4,601,893
    26 Kentucky.................................4,380,415
    27 Oregon....................................3,899,35 3
    28 Oklahoma...............................3,814,820
    29 *Connecticut...........................3,590,347
    30 *Iowa........................................3,074 ,186
    31 Mississippi...............................2,984,92 6
    32 Arkansas.................................2,949,131
    33 Kansas....................................2,885,90 5
    34 Utah.........................................2,855 ,287
    35 Nevada....................................2,758,93 1
    36 New Mexico............................2,085,538
    37 Nebraska................................1,855,525
    38 West Virginia..........................1,855,413
    39 Idaho.......................................1,595, 728
    40 Hawaii.....................................1,392,3 13
    41 *Maine....................................1,329,19 2
    42 *New Hampshire...................1,320,718
    43 *Rhode Island........................1,050,292
    44 Montana..................................1,005,141
    45 *Delaware..................................917,092
    46 South Dakota.............................833,354
    47 Alaska.........................................731 ,449
    48 North Dakota..............................699,628
    49 *Vermont.....................................626,0 11
    50 Wyoming.....................................576,41 2

    District of Columbia...........................632,323

    Total population of 15 marriage equality states + D.C. = 116,698,555

    USA (2012 census estimate)..................313,914,040

    % of population with access to gay marriage = 37%


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Yay for Illinois and soon, Hawaii. None of the election results today mattered to me as much as hearing this great news in the forward movement to marriage equality. Still by no means a won fight, but history is inevitably moving in that direction.
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    ^ It's because of those "conservatives," Sausy is the only one that celebrates in good news posts of marriage equality and LGBT civil rights. The others are *always* silent, if not critical of such progress towards equality. Which is why their motives for being a part of this community are suspect.
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    Another hurdle for Hawaii out of the way, a couple more steps to go. It looks like Hawaii will be state number 16 at this point:

    http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/2...floor-for-vote
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    This vote is going to be a nail biter,no doubt about it. Hopefully others won't wimp out like Carroll did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    ^ It's because of those "conservatives," Sausy is the only one that celebrates in good news posts of marriage equality and LGBT civil rights. The others are *always* silent, if not critical of such progress towards equality. Which is why their motives for being a part of this community are suspect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    ^ It's because of those "conservatives," Sausy is the only one that celebrates in good news posts of marriage equality and LGBT civil rights. The others are *always* silent, if not critical of such progress towards equality. Which is why their motives for being a part of this community are suspect.
    Allowing marriage among two people who love one another would, I think, be a conservative value.

    Faux conservatives scream about the "sanctity of marriage" but it's entirely OK for a former Georgia congresscritter to divorce his bedridden wife in her hospital bed, suffering for cancer, while he goes off and robs the cradle. It's also OK for Britney Spears to be married for a fraction of a week.

    Allowing only some to experience the "sanctity of marriage" while arbitrarily disallowing others, is not conservative. No different than the laws a couple generations ago which didn't allow anything but couples from the same "race."

    There is no bull's rush, anytime soon, to start allowing polygamy, or marriage to close relatives, or letting me marry my refrigerator (or a cat, if I chose to get one). Of course marriage to relatives has been proven, for a long time, to tend to cause gene-pool issues.

    I'm not convinced that polygamy is harmful, except that the genders are more-or-less balanced in this country (something like 48% men, 52% women? - less a small number with gender ambiguity) and, as polygamy is almost always a guy marrying multiple women, the available pool could go out of balance.

    There is no rush to allow people to marry inanimate, or non-human, objects.

    Though I am a screaming diehard liberal - which includes a number of "universal" viewpoints which SHOULD NOT be considered to be conservative/liberal at all - Sausy knows well that I fully respect his viewpoints, because his views are backed with his own thoughts and decisions, not merely parroted because a blogger, an organization or entity (Tea Party, a union, Fox News or MSNBC, etc.), a politician (even Chris Christie) believes it.
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    This morning in the Hawaii House:

    The second reading on the bill is delayed.

    The Hawaii House of Representatives gaveled into session a little after 10 a.m. Wednesday for the second reading and vote on an amended version of SB 1, the "Hawaii Marriage Equality Act of 2013", which advanced out of the Judiciary & Finance committees 18-12 Tuesday night.

    After an invocation and brief introductions, lawmakers immediately recessed. Vice Speaker John Mizuno indicated Representatives would reconvene at 11 a.m., but nearly an hour has come and gone since then with no indication of when legislators will return to the floor. Republican Minority caucus member, Representative Bob McDermott, who is a staunch opponent of SB 1, says the delay is a result of in-fighting between Democratic Majority caucus members. McDermott says a few Representatives reportedly want a roll-call vote on the floor for a proposal to introduce a Constitutional Amendment to let the people vote on same-sex marriage, but not everyone agrees.

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    Of course, in politics nowadays, there is almost NO such thing as a "universal" value. IF OBAMA LIKES IT, IT IS BAD. (so say Republicans sitting in Washington.) So many Supreme Court decisions are 5-4. Washington votes such as 424-11/96-4, or 8-1/9-0 Supreme Court decisions should be - if not the rule - at least common. But this stuff rarely happens at all.
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    It si getting ugly at the capitol building in Hawaii. Gay Marriage supporters are now being rushed and drowned out by "loving" Christians.

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    It si getting ugly at the capitol building in Hawaii. Gay Marriage supporters are now being rushed and drowned out by "loving" Christians.
    The Civil Unions battle in Vermont thirteen years ago was worse.

    This is the last statute that will ever legalize same sex marriage and the fundies may be cognizant if that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Illinois means that 30% of US states now have marriage equality.

    But, because those states with marriage equality tend to be populous, I have made a rough calculation that 37% of the American population now has access to gay marriage. (If Hawaii becomes the 16th state soon, it will be 37.6% of the population).


    I doubt it matters much population wise, but donít forget that at least two Indian tribes in Oregon have equal marriage for their people.


    I suppose it may not matter much since I doubt the Feds recognize it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thynight View Post
    I doubt it matters much population wise, but don’t forget that at least two Indian tribes in Oregon have equal marriage for their people.


    I suppose it may not matter much since I doubt the Feds recognize it.
    They should go radical, and offer a blood ceremony for any gays who want to join so they can get married.

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    Hawaii House of Representatives passed its bill on second reading 30-18 after 11 hours of debate on amendments.

    They must wait 48 hours until a third reading, presumably Friday, and confirmation by the Senate, before going to Abercrombie.

    Good article on the day's events: http://www.civilbeat.com/articles/20...et-for-friday/

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    Despite being pioneers in gay sexual activity reaching back some thousands of years, Greece has fallen well behind on the legalisation of gay partnerships...nevertheless, The European Court has just given our judiciary a kick in the pants with the hope that the Greek Government may take note by introducing parliamentary legislation to legalise partnerships for gay loving couples:

    http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w...11/2013_526716

    I quote:

    Greece wrong to exclude same-sex couples from 'civil unions,' European Court of Human Rights rules

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    One final floor vote so expect some antics but I expect the vote tally we saw for the second reading will be the final tally. A majority no vote yesterday and the bill would have been dead.
    Number 16 is on its way folks.

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    http://hawaii.news.blogs.civilbeat.c...o-vote-against
    Guy pretty much explains it all. It all boiled down to politics.

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    Governor Quinn will sign the Marriage Equality Bill in Chicago* on November 20. Congratulations to Illinois!



    To the other 35 states: persistence works!

    *University of Illinois
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    Scotland is on track to approve equal marriage

    Legislation to introduce equal marriage in Scotland has been backed by a committee looking into the proposals

    The Equal Opportunities Committee has forwarded the bill to Parliament, where the first stage will begin during the week of November 18. The final stage should wrap up by February, leading to royal assent soon after.

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    Heard news today that four couples in Idaho are suing the state in federal court for the current laws on the books against marriage equality.

    Is this how it's going to have to be to get all the red states on board?
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    I suspect that is how it will be. I am in a red state and the majority are unshakable in their ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AstareGod View Post
    Heard news today that four couples in Idaho are suing the state in federal court for the current laws on the books against marriage equality.

    Is this how it's going to have to be to get all the red states on board?
    It's how the laws against mixed-"race" marriage were downed.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by AstareGod View Post
    Heard news today that four couples in Idaho are suing the state in federal court for the current laws on the books against marriage equality.

    Is this how it's going to have to be to get all the red states on board?
    Yeah the 9th circuit is already briefing Sevcik, so the Idaho case might not even reach trial.

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    Alright folks, Hawaii's in the bag. The House just voted 30-19 on passage, and confirmation in the Senate will be a formality.

    This was the final statute in the marriage equality agenda. It was a circus to watch, with some of the worst testimony I've ever heard in years of following this debate, including from a member of our own community.

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