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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    And they spinner it as "we attracted more citizens, they attracted more media."
    I don't believe that for a second unless you're talking about Fox and the conservative blogosphere.

    We're going to get our Illinois vote November 7 in all likelihood. If we do not "there will be hell to pay." We will do the same thing that we did in Rhode Island and primary the shit out of the obstinate Democrats. They think they have conservative challengers to worry about? We have not yet begun to fight!

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    Indeed Alnitak,one of the reasons gay marriage finally passed in RI was many of the bigoted Democrats who stood in the way got the boot.
    And let's not forget NY. Many of the turncoat Democrats got the boot for what they did in 09.
    They thought there wouldn't be a price to pay for their no votes,they thought wrong.

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    Hawaii's special session starts Monday.

    One of the biggest issues cropping up is actually for profit church-based wedding services. Hawaii is a huge destination state for weddings. However services cannot discriminate including for profit churches. I wonder if this applies only to legal weddings because the antidiscrimination law has been on the books a long time. Or as usual conservatives are using the marriage bill as another attempt to carve out exceptions from the civil rights act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Hawaii's special session starts Monday.

    One of the biggest issues cropping up is actually for profit church-based wedding services. Hawaii is a huge destination state for weddings. However services cannot discriminate including for profit churches. I wonder if this applies only to legal weddings because the antidiscrimination law has been on the books a long time. Or as usual conservatives are using the marriage bill as another attempt to carve out exceptions from the civil rights act.
    I've never heard of churches making a profit on weddings before -- that's disgusting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post

    I've never heard of churches making a profit on weddings before -- that's disgusting!
    I think he means renting space for reception, not the actual ceremony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I've never heard of churches making a profit on weddings before -- that's disgusting!
    Oh forgive me I didn't provide a link.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...r=Gay%20Voices

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    Every time I see this thread I read it "What is new on the Gay Marriage font?" I didn't know there was one.
    But no, nothing new on the front here in Texas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I've never heard of churches making a profit on weddings before -- that's disgusting!
    Pastors make money performing the ceremony. The parents pay the church basement ladies to provide a luncheon during the reception if it's held at the church. The parents often pay the church for use of the building, utilities, etc.

    Weddings and funerals are profitable for churches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Pastors make money performing the ceremony. The parents pay the church basement ladies to provide a luncheon during the reception if it's held at the church. The parents often pay the church for use of the building, utilities, etc.

    Weddings and funerals are profitable for churches.
    Correct, but generating profit does not make an organization a for-profit organization. The subtlety is in what they do with it. There must be no beneficiaries of a non-profit organization. Thus, the ceremony facility part of the church cannot directly run a for profit service and be organized as a church or with a church. The facility in question must also be registered properly for taxes.

    We saw this problem occur before where a Methodist church ran a wedding facility in Ocean Grove, New Jersey. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=91486340

    The services in question in Hawaii are performed in facilities that generate profits that go to either owners or investors. I see no reason why same sex couples do not already use these services. The HuffPo article failed to provide further details. Usually, the defense our opponents offer at hearings is that passing same sex marriage will make the "problem worse."
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Every time I see this thread I read it "What is new on the Gay Marriage font?" I didn't know there was one.
    But no, nothing new on the front here in Texas.
    Because the news hasn't reported what is happening.

    A divorce case in Texas goes before the Supreme Court of Texas on November 5, just two weeks away.

    Texas High Court Takes Up Same-Sex Divorce Cases
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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Pastors make money performing the ceremony. The parents pay the church basement ladies to provide a luncheon during the reception if it's held at the church. The parents often pay the church for use of the building, utilities, etc.

    Weddings and funerals are profitable for churches.
    I've known lots of pastors, and none of them ever made a dime from a wedding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Correct, but generating profit does not make an organization a for-profit organization. The subtlety is in what they do with it. There must be no beneficiaries of a non-profit organization. Thus, the ceremony facility part of the church cannot directly run a for profit service and be organized as a church or with a church. The facility in question must also be registered properly for taxes.
    Exactly. To qualify as a church, they can't make a profit on a wedding. Those charges Bob referenced have to be the actual cost of using the facility.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Correct, but generating profit does not make an organization a for-profit organization. The subtlety is in what they do with it. There must be no beneficiaries of a non-profit organization. Thus, the ceremony facility part of the church cannot directly run a for profit service and be organized as a church or with a church. The facility in question must also be registered properly for taxes.

    We saw this problem occur before where a Methodist church ran a wedding facility in Ocean Grove, New Jersey. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=91486340

    The services in question in Hawaii are performed in facilities that generate profits that go to either owners or investors. I see no reason why same sex couples do not already use these services. The HuffPo article failed to provide further details. Usually, the defense our opponents offer at hearings is that passing same sex marriage will make the "problem worse."
    I think the courts are being ridiculous about this. If there's any religious freedom at all, it has to include the right to decide who can do what on what are considered sacred grounds.

    "What if a church offers marriage counseling? Will they be able to say 'No, we're not going to help gay couples get along because it violates our religious principles to do so? What about summer camps? Will they be able to insist that gay couples not serve as staff because they're a bad example?" Stern asks.
    THe answer to all those should be "It's up to the church".

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Pat Quinn seems confident a vote will happen during the final week of the session:

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/10/i...e-legislation/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I think the courts are being ridiculous about this. If there's any religious freedom at all, it has to include the right to decide who can do what on what are considered sacred grounds.
    In this case where profits are generated, that blurs the lines between dedicated religious operation and public accommodations.

    Also, courts do not get involved in religious disputes, e.g. what constitutes "sacred." However, the First Amendment does protect on what occurs on church property that is not profit generating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    In this case where profits are generated, that blurs the lines between dedicated religious operation and public accommodations.

    Also, courts do not get involved in religious disputes, e.g. what constitutes "sacred." However, the First Amendment does protect on what occurs on church property that is not profit generating.
    The simple rule would be that so long as charges for use of property are no greater than the actual cost of providing them, the church can pick and choose who to allow the use. But if they're making a profit, then they have to open it to everyone.

    Although if someone founded the Church of the Eternal Treasury, with the holy Rules of Acquisition, an exception might have to be made....

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post

    Although if someone founded the Church of the Eternal Treasury, with the holy Rules of Acquisition, an exception might have to be made....
    You mean every Televangelist since Oral Roberts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    You mean every Televangelist since Oral Roberts.
    LOL

    No, that's not their official allegiance.

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    Re: What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

    The Hawaii session gay marriage starts tommorrow,keep your fingers crossed.

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    Hawaii's a done deal. It's the only issue on the agenda and they have the schedule all laid out. Also, they never would've scheduled the session if they weren't sure they had the votes.

    Illinois is where we need to pull out all the shots to assure it's voted on next month. However, it's important to remember that even if it's not, it will be approved in January as the deadline for primaries will have passed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    Hawaii's a done deal. It's the only issue on the agenda and they have the schedule all laid out. Also, they never would've scheduled the session if they weren't sure they had the votes.
    By Friday is it? The House hearings are on Thursday.

    Illinois is where we need to pull out all the shots to assure it's voted on next month. However, it's important to remember that even if it's not, it will be approved in January as the deadline for primaries will have passed.
    I always thought the idiom was in reference to organs, which at full blast have all of their [air] stops pulled out.

    Anyway, you mentioned that the situation behind the scenes is often better than it appears to all of us. At the rate Darby v. Orr is progressing in Cook County Circuit Court, the heat death of the Universe will occur first. We'll know for sure when Harris calls a vote. We have supporters actually protesting outside his office. Talk about pressure...

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    Watch the Hawaii Senate hearing LIVE

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    Word is they for sure have the votes to pass it in Hawaii. Looks like they will be the 15th state with the freedom to marry!!!

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    I'm watching the live feed - thanks again Alnitak!

    It seems like almost every single person arguing in opposition is bringing up God and religion. Chairman Hee just asked one of the testifiers what she thinks about people from different religions being in support while others are in opposition and how they can be diametrically opposed to one another.

    We've heard all these arguments before, time and time again. I really hope you guys are right, that the legislature wouldn't have called this session unless they were sure they had the votes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AstareGod View Post
    I'm watching the live feed - thanks again Alnitak!

    It seems like almost every single person arguing in opposition is bringing up God and religion. Senator Hee just asked one of the testifiers what she thinks about people from different religions being in support while others are in opposition and how they can be diametrically opposed to one another.

    We've heard all these arguments before, time and time again. I really hope you guys are right, that the legislature wouldn't have called this session unless they were sure they had the votes.
    I get so frustrated that politicians even listen to people arguing "God says" in political questions. The proper response would be, "And what does that have to do with this?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I get so frustrated that politicians even listen to people arguing "God says" in political questions. The proper response would be, "And what does that have to do with this?"
    I can understand politicans' need to maintain an objective ear. Whether or not they base their votes off of that is another story.

    We heard the same religious arguments from the republicans after the Supreme Court decisions back in June.
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    Pretty much just the same old arguments spewed elsewhere.
    I'm going to believe the votes are there and if they aren't,the 9th Circuit can simply see that the legislature had the chance to do the right thing and failed.

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    Well the nasty arguments didn't work. The Senate committee advanced the bill 5-2.


    Meanwhile, we have a new federal lawsuit lodged in San Antonio, Texas by two couples.

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/loc...ay-4933604.php

    This is 20 states with 27 different lawsuits now as far as I've been able to research.

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    I have to say yesterday was easily the worst testimoney I've heard yet.
    As we gain equality in more and more states,the true nature of those opposed to SSM is starting to come out. They didn't even bother to hide the fact that some of them simply want us to be put to death.

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    And I love it. Because it comes to show how desperate they are. And how helpless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    I have to say yesterday was easily the worst testimoney I've heard yet.
    As we gain equality in more and more states,the true nature of those opposed to SSM is starting to come out. They didn't even bother to hide the fact that some of them simply want us to be put to death.
    It often backfires. Here in Maryland some of the fence sitters such as Sen. Brochin explicitly credited the extremism for his vote on our bill.

    Anyway, the bill passed a procedural vote today and will get a floor vote in the Senate's morning session (afternoon on the East Coast). Given that the chamber is blue 24-1, it is going to pass easily.
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    I haven't seen any news yet on how the vote went today (or if it's even been voted on, yet).

    I agree that many of the oppositional testimonies may actually swing people in our favor.
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    LIVE feed of the debate in the Hawaii Senate

    http://livewire.kitv.com/Event/2013_...e-sex_marriage

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    Hawaii Senate passes the bill 20-4

    The House committee takes up its bill tomorrow.

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    It will be a much tougher battle in the house. Two of the top Democrats have made it clear they oppose marriage equality and though they say the votes are there,we've seen this happen before whehter due to cowerdice or bigotry,Democratic controlled legislatures fail to do the right thing.
    Keep your fingers crossed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    It will be a much tougher battle in the house. Two of the top Democrats have made it clear they oppose marriage equality and though they say the votes are there,we've seen this happen before whehter due to cowerdice or bigotry,Democratic controlled legislatures fail to do the right thing.
    Keep your fingers crossed.
    It will be a challenge to ward off attempts to curtail the human rights act, which was passed in 1991. The one we might have to let go is for-profit religiously affiliated wedding accommodations, but we'll see.

    The House committee hearing is in four hours.

    It will most likely be shown live on KITV http://www.kitv.com/

    An archive and schedule of live events is here http://olelo.granicus.com/ViewPublisher.php?view_id=13
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    Remember the special session would not have been called if they weren't positive the votes were there.

    I believe the amendment they may add to the bill would have to do with businesses which provide services and have fewer then 5 employees. Many states already have the same exemption in their laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    It will be a challenge to ward off attempts to curtail the human rights act, which was passed in 1991. The one we might have to let go is for-profit religiously affiliated wedding accommodations, but we'll see.

    The House committee hearing is in four hours.

    It will most likely be shown live on KITV http://www.kitv.com/

    An archive and schedule of live events is here http://olelo.granicus.com/ViewPublisher.php?view_id=13
    You mean let religious groups run those accommodations for a profit? That seems bizarre to me: in order to claim they can't allow gay wedding on certain premises, the argument has to be that those premises are in a solid sense sanctified ground -- but if it's sanctified, why are they using it to make a profit (unless making profit is a religious tenet)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    Remember the special session would not have been called if they weren't positive the votes were there.

    I believe the amendment they may add to the bill would have to do with businesses which provide services and have fewer then 5 employees. Many states already have the same exemption in their laws.
    Even the federal Civil Rights Act exempts small businesses. However, anyone on payroll is an "employee" even if the employee works half an hour a week. It's very easy to go over the limit for any business even one that is run out of a home.

    BTW, the Hawaii House committee hearing is being held live until an indefinite time

    Watch the LIVE feed here: http://livewire.kitv.com/Event/2013_...#ixzz2jKfTaAzF
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    Civil Beat reports that the joint House committee has the votes to pass the bill by a comfortable 20-8 with two undecided.

    http://hawaii.news.blogs.civilbeat.c...ass-hawaii-gay

    Testimony is still ongoing with over 4000 left to testify when the committee adjourned at midnight. With two minutes per person, that comes out to 139 hours of testimony left at maximum efficiency. Obviously that is impossible to accommodate in a reasonable amount of time. After today's session, the joint committee will make a decision on how to proceed.

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    Truly the most disguisting testimony I've heard yet in these states. The Mormon Church went into overdrive with the bigots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Truly the most disguisting testimony I've heard yet in these states. The Mormon Church went into overdrive with the bigots.
    I agree that the LDS Church is behind a significant number of testifiers at the House committee hearing in Hawaii. Fred Karger was absolutely right when he said that the LDS would try to come back stealthily, but no proof of it has surfaced other than several testifiers identifying themselves as Mormon. The goal seems to have been to effectively filibuster the bill with testimony.

    Don't worry. While the House committee hearing is the most extreme we have seen in terms of length, it will be concluded eventually. The half way point was reached sometime yesterday, so I suppose it will be done by Tuesday.

    Here is the complicated bit:

    When the testimony is over, several amendments could be offered and a vote taken. Bob McDermott is probably the most anti-gay member of the House, and he is one of those Republicans who is so obnoxious that not even his friends like him. Though he will try to offer fatal amendments, there is a good chance that the committee won't pass any because of the rather sizable majority (20-8) in favor of it.

    The House committee is actually a joint hearing of the finance and judiciary committees. The joint committee will not take a vote as a whole, leaving the vote to the individual committees. However, each one has about the same 2-1 majority in favor of SB1. Because the amendments approved in one committee must be recommended by the other, amendments could end up prolonging the bill even further. The majority is so big that there will not be much of an appetite to go for extra delays, leaving the amendment process to the House body.

    That said, the House vote in favor is assured with at least 27 confirmed votes (26 needed) and probably several more. That majority, being slim, might not be enough to ward off some amendments that would curtail Hawaii's human rights act that was passed in 1991. Should the House amend SB1, it would have to go into conference committee, where the amendments could be stripped, and the bill voted on again. In a reasonable timeframe, this could all be accomplished by Friday.

    On a side note, this timeframe leaves Hawaii and Illinois neck and neck for the #15 slot next week, with New Mexico in legal limbo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Truly the most disguisting testimony I've heard yet in these states. The Mormon Church went into overdrive with the bigots.
    It sounds like street talk in south county here.

    Nauseating.

    (Happily, the south end of the county has been 'discovered' by retiring people from civilization, and its makeup is changing.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    It sounds like street talk in south county here.

    Nauseating.

    (Happily, the south end of the county has been 'discovered' by retiring people from civilization, and its makeup is changing.)
    Not Mississippi. Having neglected to invest in infrastructure throughout the 20th century, its population and economic growth have been stunted. It has half of the population of neighboring states and the lowest GDP per capita of any state. The tiny District of Columbia actually has a higher economic output.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    On a side note, this timeframe leaves Hawaii and Illinois neck and neck for the #15 slot next week, with New Mexico in legal limbo.
    More and more I am getting the feeling that nothing will happen in IL next week :/ I hope I am wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    More and more I am getting the feeling that nothing will happen in IL next week :/ I hope I am wrong.
    I'm leaning against the likelihood of a vote, but there has been some good news.

    Same-sex marriage vote likely

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    I feel like it would not be held this close to the chest if it were going to truly happen. Shame on them.

    I really hope the guys responsible for this fiasco get punished in elections. It's time we showed Democrats that they aren't safe just because they have a D in front of their names.
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    Illinois is essentially the same as New York was back in 2011. It came together behind closed doors and was down to the wire, but in the end it worked out in our favor. The same thing will likely happen their this week I expect.

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    The leader of the bill in Illinois, House Rep. Greg Harris, has filed amendments according to EQIL in a tweet...

    This is a sign that the call for a vote is imminent.

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    Watch the Illinois House floor proceedings LIVE

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