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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    It's there, and has been for a while. Regardless, the state has no power to undo a federal court.
    Indeed, plus, our rights shouldn't be determined by public polls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teddybear71 View Post
    It's not often I wish time would speed up, but I can hardly wait for this to get to the Supreme Court so it can be decided once and for all...
    I'm actually happy that it's taken as long as it has (with considerable time, YET, before it ultimately makes it to SCOTUS)...I think there's no doubt that the tipping point has been passed. I wouldn't have been nearly so sure even two years ago.

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    Primaries have no effect on public policy.
    Astonishing primary victories such as this one, though, when the most-reactionary candidate prevails, CAN embolden people in other states, and some weird shit can get passed which may not have been introduced otherwise.

    I don't think that neighboring North Carolina is finished passing Stone Age legislation, not at all, and I think that the Brat win will motivate the extremes there even more.
    "All legal U. S. residents who are 18 years or older, shall have an unconditional right to vote." - We need a 28th Amendment to the U. S. Constitution which resembles this...NOW!

    VOTING: Just remember: "Be careful of what you DON'T wish for. You might just get it." GET OUT AND VOTE for what you DO wish for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teddybear71 View Post
    No, but I was thinking it might be a sign of the way people in Virginia are thinking - that public opinion for equal marriage might not be there quite yet?
    Doubtful. The important issue was immigration, vindictiveness v justice.

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    This is a very conservative part of the state, so don't extrapolate on marriage from one district.

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    COLORADO

    Brinkman v. Long is in for hearing on Monday June 16.

    Brinkman v. Adams County Clerk and Recorder will see its day in court following huge victories in Oregon and Pennsylvania. Judges ruled that marriage bans in both states were unconstitutional, extending the freedom to marry to same-sex couples. Momentum is truly on our side, now more than ever, and we know that Coloradans, like a majority of Americans, are ready for marriage equality.

    Hearing for lawsuit challenging Colorado’s marriage ban scheduled
    I suppose this will get its own thread when the time comes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackinSea View Post
    This is a very conservative part of the state, so don't extrapolate on marriage from one district.
    Ah, well, that's good to know!
    I have lost a lot of the overview I had of American politics after 30-odd years here in Norway, so it's nice to be updated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    COLORADO

    Brinkman v. Long is in for hearing on Monday June 16.



    I suppose this will get its own thread when the time comes.
    I can't imagine this ruling not going our way. I'm ready for another victory!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    I can't imagine this ruling not going our way. I'm ready for another victory!
    It'll be interesting to see what the Republican AG does. Also, since it is in state supreme court, there's a good chance a stay (if requested) will be refused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    It'll be interesting to see what the Republican AG does. Also, since it is in state supreme court, there's a good chance a stay (if requested) will be refused.
    That's what I'm hoping for as well. If nothing else, this being in Focus On The Family's backyard will make a ruling in our favor that much sweeter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    That's what I'm hoping for as well. If nothing else, this being in Focus On The Family's backyard will make a ruling in our favor that much sweeter.
    The AG hasn't even indicated yet that he will appeal, and it wouldn't at all surprise me if he doesn't. I know he issued a brief to the 10th circuit supporting the upholding of OK and Utah's bans, but he's also not running for re-election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    That's what I'm hoping for as well. If nothing else, this being in Focus On The Family's backyard will make a ruling in our favor that much sweeter.
    No kidding.

    I wonder if it's occurred to any of them that this is God's way of punishing them for getting political instead of following Jesus.

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    So the decision has now been stayed in Wisconsin as well. Will all rulings in our favor be stayed until a case reaches the Supreme Court, or can we hope to have final decisions (that are not appealed) in any other states?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teddybear71 View Post
    So the decision has now been stayed in Wisconsin as well. Will all rulings in our favor be stayed until a case reaches the Supreme Court, or can we hope to have final decisions (that are not appealed) in any other states?
    The opposing side has to ask for stays ordinarily, hence marriage equality is final in Oregon and Pennsylvania. It's anybody's guess which states will ask for them.

    A few cases are in state court, e.g. Florida and Colorado. The US Supreme Court has no jurisdiction in those cases.
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    ^^^And in both of which the Republican attorney generals have not indicated they will even appeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    ^^^And in both of which the Republican attorney generals have not indicated they will even appeal.
    Pam Bondi certainly will as she likely has ambitions beyond AG. The one in Colorado likely will simply because he's a douchebag.

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    Lambda Legal apparently thinks the judge will rule soon in Baskin v. Bogan, a federal case filed in US district court in Indiana. Judge Richard Young had previously granted preliminary recognition to a couple in the case based on medical emergency, but the long wait on the stay has some thinking a wholesale decision is forthcoming.

    Broader decision on Indiana same-sex marriage ban could be coming

    The state asked U.S. District Judge Richard Young for the stay on May 8, the same day he granted a preliminary injunction requiring Indiana to recognize the marriage of Amy Sandler and Niki Quasney.

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    The delay makes Reisman suspect Young may simply skip the stay order and decide whether to throw out Indiana’s same-sex marriage ban.
    I have not seen the briefing schedule, if there is/was one, so I can't say if the case has been fully briefed and ready for a full decision. Judge Young is also handling three similar cases. We'll see!
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    I've been meaning to ask, Al, are you an attorney yourself? I'm not, but have a fair amount of legal background/experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Pam Bondi certainly will as she likely has ambitions beyond AG. The one in Colorado likely will simply because he's a douchebag.
    ^^^That could be a good reason for her NOT to appeal lol.

    If both state supreme courts refuse to stay the rulings (there is a good chance of this in Colorado given the makeup of the court) then it will seem frivilous to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackinSea View Post
    I've been meaning to ask, Al, are you an attorney yourself? I'm not, but have a fair amount of legal background/experience.
    Paralegal only. I am curious what your experience is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    ^^^That could be a good reason for her NOT to appeal lol.
    I have seen comments saying both ways.

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    I worked in the state court system for several years as a clerk, sitting in on many, many trials, etc. My dad was an attorney , later a judge (immigration). I've found Toobin's books profiling the recent Supreme Court justices quite interesting.

    One of the little known aspects to the marriage battle that fascinates me is the spouse in Kentucky, who's technically in contempt under current state law, for refusing to testify against her (out-of-state-marriage not recognized) wife. That privilege is a rare, overlooked one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    I have seen comments saying both ways.
    Considering she and Scott are both running contested re-elections (especially Scott), it would be wise for them to drop this issue. Regardless, the state supreme courts in Arkansas, Colorado, and Florida will settle the issue by the end of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    ^^^That could be a good reason for her NOT to appeal lol.
    That was my thought. After all she can always evolve at the right time.

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    Biondi is a RIGHT WING NUTJOB, who isn't going to drop this at all. She's very much against marriage equality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackinSea View Post
    One of the little known aspects to the marriage battle that fascinates me is the spouse in Kentucky, who's technically in contempt under current state law, for refusing to testify against her (out-of-state-marriage not recognized) wife. That privilege is a rare, overlooked one.
    That detail sort of accents the whole case, doesn't it? With marriage recognized, the law grants some potent privileges.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackinSea View Post
    Biondi is a RIGHT WING NUTJOB, who isn't going to drop this at all. She's very much against marriage equality.
    Her briefs were virtually identical to Corbett's and he ended up not appealing the ruling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    Her briefs were virtually identical to Corbett's and he ended up not appealing the ruling.
    I got the mental image of the two of them standing side by side wearing briefs.


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    I got the mental image of the two of them standing side by side wearing briefs.

    That's one three-way you're MORE than welcome to!

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    The problem for Bondi is this, in order to get through a primary, you have to be against gay marriage.
    More to the point, many bigots don't care if it's a losing issue or not, they will fight until the bitter end and I think Blondi will be one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    The problem for Bondi is this, in order to get through a primary, you have to be against gay marriage.
    More to the point, many bigots don't care if it's a losing issue or not, they will fight until the bitter end and I think Blondi will be one of them.
    True, but it doesn't appear there are any Republicans running against her.

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    and I think Blondi will be one of them.
    Was that a typo ... or a pun on her Ann Coulter-like looks?

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    Read the details on the Colorado lawsuit in for hearing today:

    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...rriage-license

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Read the details on the Colorado lawsuit in for hearing today:

    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...rriage-license
    From what I've been able to read online, the only question is how fast the judge will rule in our favor.
    He didn't buy the procreation argument the state tried to present and more or less told them they had nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    From what I've been able to read online, the only question is how fast the judge will rule in our favor.
    He didn't buy the procreation argument the state tried to present and more or less told them they had nothing.
    The state presented nothing new, like an insane person expecting a different outcome after repeated failures. Actually, I was concerned because Judge Crabtree is a Bill Owens appointee, but he was sarcastic to all of the state's arguments.

    At hearing, Colorado judge points to rulings in other states striking down gay marriage bans

    Colorado's gay marriage ban appeared to be on thin ice Monday after a judge considering two lawsuits against the law pointed out that 15 other judges have recently struck down similar bans in other states.

    ...

    A lawyer from the Colorado attorney general's office, which is defending the ban, argued that the justices' ruling has been misread, to which Crabtree replied, "They got it all wrong?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    The state presented nothing new, like an insane person expecting a different outcome after repeated failures. Actually, I was concerned because Judge Crabtree is a Bill Owens appointee, but he was sarcastic to all of the state's arguments.
    I love how they told the judge that he should rule agianst the ban because the SUpreme Court might rule against him and other judges.
    In other words, they are reduced to asking the judge to punt. He was right to not take them seriously.

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    And these state attorneys are getting paid for this....

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    The assistant AG's don't have a choice but I have to imagine they feel like idiots for having to make these arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    And these state attorneys are getting paid for this....
    They get their salary regardless. All they are really doing is enriching pro-gay law firms at state expense through attorney fees. The recognition claims filed for interim marriages are especially lucrative, hence the ACLU is jumping at every opportunity to get involved in them, now in Wisconsin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    The assistant AG's don't have a choice but I have to imagine they feel like idiots for having to make these arguments.
    Not if they're anti-marriage bigots themselves.

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    A good recap of the current US Court of Appeals cases and the five cases from all four states to be heard at the 6th Circuit on August 6. Note only one, DeBoer v. Snyder from the District of Michigan, concerns actual marriage licenses.

    http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/06/fo...-sex-marriage/
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    They're quite good looking, but to me I wouldn't go so far as "hot".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    A good recap of the current US Court of Appeals cases and the five cases from all four states to be heard at the 6th Circuit on August 6. Note only one, DeBoer v. Snyder from the District of Michigan, concerns actual marriage licenses.

    http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/06/fo...-sex-marriage/
    I have a feeling we'll get our split here. Bush Jr got way too many of his far right judges on there and the ones leftover from the St. Ronnie and Bush Sr era aren't much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    I have a feeling we'll get our split here. Bush Jr got way too many of his far right judges on there and the ones leftover from the St. Ronnie and Bush Sr era aren't much better.
    There's no question it's W's court. I suppose we'll know their intentions by oral arguments six weeks from now, but by then the decisions should be rendered in one or both of the 4th and 10th cases. I suspect Herring will appeal the 4th's decision to the Supreme Court right away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Two hot dads denied adoption of their own children in Texas.

    VIDEO: Texas dads denied parental rights to their own twin sons
    WTF??? How can a judge say that a biological father can't be listed on the child's birth certificate?

    Did I live in Texas, I'd suggest an old Texas remedy: grab that judge, and a rope, and find a tree!

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    And Luxembourg makes 17! Europe keeps moving forward - with the notable exception of Russia, of course. Putain [sic] is certainly making an ass of himself, and cannot leave office soon enough!

    So do we think that the US will make it into the "Top 20" - maybe by this time next year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Two hot dads denied adoption of their own children in Texas.

    VIDEO: Texas dads denied parental rights to their own twin sons

    And, the situation just gets messier and messier

    http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com...14/06/18/89481

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    There's no question it's W's court. I suppose we'll know their intentions by oral arguments six weeks from now, but by then the decisions should be rendered in one or both of the 4th and 10th cases. I suspect Herring will appeal the 4th's decision to the Supreme Court right away.
    There could always be an En Banc with the 4th and given the fact it is now more Democrat then Republican, they will lose if there is a 2-1 ruling against us.
    Last edited by Ninja108; June 18th, 2014 at 11:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokeshadow View Post
    And, the situation just gets messier and messier

    http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com...14/06/18/89481
    That is ridiculous beyond belief.

    I stick with my "Texas justice" remedy.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/laur...ous-expression

    Santorum: ‘Vast Majority’ of Gay Rights Movement Sees Religious Expression as ‘Purely Bigoted'

    While some people in the gay rights movement support and respect religious liberty and expression, most do not, and see religious expression as “purely bigoted,” said former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Penn.) on Thursday at the “March for Marriage” on Capitol Hill. He also said that homosexual “marriage” will greatly harm the institution of marriage overall because children have a natural right to be reared by a mother and a father.
    Google Santorum.

    In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

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    I wish good old Rick would simply go away like the loser he is.

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