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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
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    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gay-ma...115851245.html

    Gay marriage's latest frontier: state Federal courts
    Misleading headline, but maybe people don't know the difference, and it's not entirely true because there are at least six feasible contenders for amendment repeals.

    We are more or less done with state courts with only a few exceptions, e.g. Pennsylvania.

    Of the 23 ongoing cases against state DOMAs, 20 of them are in federal courts, and two of those are in courts of appeals. Of the three state court challenges, only one is in a place without a constitutional amendment, while the other two are federal challenges in state court, but that may be a smart choice of venue in Arkansas where we have had consistent victories on family rights.

    Also, if it happened in Utah (conservative and heavily Mormon) it can happen anywhere!
    That's the idea.

    Over the course of the next year we will see unpredictable, shocking, and unprecedented victories. In addition, the ultimate path to the Supreme Court will become clearer.

    The only thing that we can say with near certainty is that Oregon will repeal its amendment in November. Again, it's likely that we will have many federal court victories as well, potentially surpassing this years' progress. There will be several more countries, e.g. Scotland, but also possibly including some of the first in Southeast Asia, e.g. Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand... but we'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    ^ Watch the neo-cons start yammering that this is a federal legislative issue if they think they can win Congress.
    They can't because there is no such thing as a federal marriage.

    Rep. Timothy Huelskamp (R-OK) already reintroduced the Federal Marriage Amendment, but it doesn't even have a quarter of the House Republicans as cosponsors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    That's the idea.

    Over the course of the next year we will see unpredictable, shocking, and unprecedented victories. In addition, the ultimate path to the Supreme Court will become clearer.

    The only thing that we can say with near certainty is that Oregon will repeal its amendment in November. Again, it's likely that we will have many federal court victories as well, potentially surpassing this years' progress. There will be several more countries, e.g. Scotland, but also possibly including some of the first in Southeast Asia, e.g. Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand... but we'll see.
    Scotland, Luxembourg, and Finland will likely legalize it in the first few months of 2015. We also may see surprises in Germany, Australia, and Colombia. Nepal has also once again become a contender since a pro-LGBT parliament has been elected and the country is showing stability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    ^ Watch the neo-cons start yammering that this is a federal legislative issue if they think they can win Congress.
    Congress tried that and the law was gutted.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    They can't because there is no such thing as a federal marriage.
    That's something the latest opinion/ruling took pains to make very clear: not only is there no such things as a federal definition of marriage, there's not going to be, either.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Good summaries on nine of the battles

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...o-watch/Oregon

    I would say the left out Virginia though...

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    It's sort of a sperm and egg race now. Reviewing the 24 cases on Plainsite and elsewhere, they are all moving forward with briefing and discovery schedules. Many have even had motions for preliminary injunctions as Texas has and summary judgments as the cases in Virginia have.

    So much is going on behind the scenes that it is already a part time job for me to keep track of. I won't post every little thing that happens, but don't worry major stuff will be enough to post about.

    In any event, one case is destined to mate with the Supreme Court, if not Utah, if not Nevada, then Virginia or Texas. Utah in particular has changed everything, and if the denial of a stay means anything we will win at the conservative 10th Circuit. Thus the Supreme Court can't ignore the post-Windsor aftermath forever. I think they know it and want to deal with it, especially because of Utah, which is why they will take its or Nevada's appeal in October.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    It's sort of a sperm and egg race now. Reviewing the 24 cases on Plainsite and elsewhere, they are all moving forward with briefing and discovery schedules. Many have even had motions for preliminary injunctions as Texas has and summary judgments as the cases in Virginia have.

    So much is going on behind the scenes that it is already a part time job for me to keep track of. I won't post every little thing that happens, but don't worry major stuff will be enough to post about.

    In any event, one case is destined to mate with the Supreme Court, if not Utah, if not Nevada, then Virginia or Texas. Utah in particular has changed everything, and if the denial of a stay means anything we will win at the conservative 10th Circuit. Thus the Supreme Court can't ignore the post-Windsor aftermath forever. I think they know it and want to deal with it, especially because of Utah, which is why they will take its or Nevada's appeal in October.
    I have a nagging suspicion that SCOTUS has decided this is inevitable, and they actually want to take a case so they can give approval to same-sex marriage while using the opportunity to slam the door or any further marriage equality.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I have a nagging suspicion that SCOTUS has decided this is inevitable, and they actually want to take a case so they can give approval to same-sex marriage while using the opportunity to slam the door or any further marriage equality.
    I am discounting that entirely, because the court will not and cannot rule on a question that is not directly before it. To the matter you are alluding to, the cohabitation case currently on appeal probably won't even be granted cert because the appellants will lose.

    On the question of plural marriage, remember that a poor and socially undesirable man, who would be represented ex rel. by the state, has a perfectly valid defense, i.e. that he much of a right - also based on an equality argument - to a equal chance at finding a spouse as someone in an unfairly advantageous position, i.e. endowed with resources, who is a serial collector of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    It's sort of a sperm and egg race now. Reviewing the 24 cases on Plainsite and elsewhere, they are all moving forward with briefing and discovery schedules. Many have even had motions for preliminary injunctions as Texas has and summary judgments as the cases in Virginia have.

    So much is going on behind the scenes that it is already a part time job for me to keep track of. I won't post every little thing that happens, but don't worry major stuff will be enough to post about.

    In any event, one case is destined to mate with the Supreme Court, if not Utah, if not Nevada, then Virginia or Texas. Utah in particular has changed everything, and if the denial of a stay means anything we will win at the conservative 10th Circuit. Thus the Supreme Court can't ignore the post-Windsor aftermath forever. I think they know it and want to deal with it, especially because of Utah, which is why they will take its or Nevada's appeal in October.
    I'm not sure if I'd call the 10th Circuit conservative (5 Dem appointments vs 5 Rep appointments), but I guess it would be compared to the others we've dealt with prior. Depending on how fast the cases all move forward, the Supreme Court may actually deny cert with those out of Nevada and Utah, in anticipation of an appeals court ruling against us (likely the 5th and/or the 6th).

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    I'm not sure if I'd call the 10th Circuit conservative (5 Dem appointments vs 5 Rep appointments), but I guess it would be compared to the others we've dealt with prior. Depending on how fast the cases all move forward, the Supreme Court may actually deny cert with those out of Nevada and Utah, in anticipation of an appeals court ruling against us (likely the 5th and/or the 6th).
    One reason these discussions can get very tangled is that some words have more than one meaning in the same context. When we say a court is conservative, do we mean it in the current political sense, the classic political sense, or the classic social sense? The last would mean a court cautious about making major changes; the middle one something similar, while the first would mean leaning toward the reactionary views of today's GOP.

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    As a chronic college football fan, every year I make it a point of watching the Rose Bowl game, preceded by the Tournament of Roses parade. To those unfamiliar, every float must be covered with some sort of natural vegetation - no crepe paper allowed. Right now, the floats are being given their finishing touches. This year's parade is special for two reasons: its the 125th Anniversary. The other reason is that there is going to be wedding of two gay men on one of the floats. As one might expect, there is opposition by the usual suspects and threat of a boycott and its predictable silliness. The theme of this year's parade is aptly named "Dreams Come True." Read all about it:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4521985.html

    LOS ANGELES (AP) — Aubrey Loots and Danny Leclair joke that they're getting married New Year's Day in front of 80 million of their closest friends, and the men say they aren't that concerned that a few thousand others may boycott the first gay marriage at the 125-year-old Rose Parade.

    The pair, together for 12 years, plan to tie the knot atop a giant wedding cake on the AIDS Healthcare Foundation float when it stops at the Rose Parade's reviewing stand on Wednesday. Hundreds of thousands of people line the 5 1/2-mile parade route through Pasadena and an estimated 80 million more are expected to watch on TV from around the world.

    If I may indulge... (run 'til 1:10)



    Ceremony should last about 15 seconds. The whole world will be watching! Who would have thought? With the hope that everyone's dreams will come true - Happy New Year!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
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    As a chronic college football fan, every year I make it a point of watching the Rose Bowl game, preceded by the Tournament of Roses parade. To those unfamiliar, every float must be covered with some sort of natural vegetation - no crepe paper allowed. Right now, the floats are being given their finishing touches. This year's parade is special for two reasons: its the 125th Anniversary. The other reason is that there is going to be wedding of two gay men on one of the floats. As one might expect, there is opposition by the usual suspects and threat of a boycott and its predictable silliness. The theme of this year's parade is aptly named "Dreams Come True." Read all about it:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4521985.html


    Ceremony should last about 15 seconds. The whole world will be watching! Who would have thought? With the hope that everyone's dreams will come true - Happy New Year!
    Fifteen seconds?! That's like punching a time card.....

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    Utah has filed its Motion for Stay with the Supreme Court. The Reply Briefs are due by this Friday.

    The Motion (and authorities) are at http://attorneygeneral.utah.gov/wp-c...n-for-Stay.pdf

    Discussion is at http://equalityontrial.com/2013/12/3...iage-equality/

    Also: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...ng-appeal?lite

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    CBSNews discussion (more complete than NBCNews): http://www.cbsnews.com/news/utah-goe...-gay-marriage/

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    W.Va. same-sex couples push for quick ruling

    West Virginia couples led by Lambda Legal will seek summary judgment.

    A hearing on all motions will be held on Monday.

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    W.Va. same-sex couples push for quick ruling

    West Virginia couples led by Lambda Legal will seek summary judgment.

    A hearing on all motions will be held on Monday.
    These are indeed exciting times we're living it...

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    West Virginia is one of the few states that is homophobic as Utah if not more so. YOu can be sure a ban would be pushed through if judgement was granted,even though it wouldn't likely last long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    West Virginia is one of the few states that is homophobic as Utah if not more so. YOu can be sure a ban would be pushed through if judgement was granted,even though it wouldn't likely last long.
    The state legislature is dominated by Democrats, which is why a ban has never advanced. I expect like Indiana, it is now too late for voters to pass one.

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    According to Nate Silver's analysis, West Virginia is more gay friendly then Utah:

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...it-means/?_r=0

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    According to Nate Silver's analysis, West Virginia is more gay friendly then Utah:

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...it-means/?_r=0
    I'm not seeing anything about W Virginia in the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    It's sort of a sperm and egg race now. Reviewing the 24 cases on Plainsite and elsewhere, they are all moving forward with briefing and discovery schedules. Many have even had motions for preliminary injunctions as Texas has and summary judgments as the cases in Virginia have.

    So much is going on behind the scenes that it is already a part time job for me to keep track of. I won't post every little thing that happens, but don't worry major stuff will be enough to post about.

    In any event, one case is destined to mate with the Supreme Court, if not Utah, if not Nevada, then Virginia or Texas. Utah in particular has changed everything, and if the denial of a stay means anything we will win at the conservative 10th Circuit. Thus the Supreme Court can't ignore the post-Windsor aftermath forever. I think they know it and want to deal with it, especially because of Utah, which is why they will take its or Nevada's appeal in October.
    I'll have to disagree with you a little bit there. I get the impression that they want as little as possible to do with this issue at least for a little while longer.

    That said, you are right that they will not be able to avoid it indefinitely. As soon as Judge Walker's invalidation of a state ban based on the federal constitution was allowed to stand, I knew the federal courts would start seeing a flood of similar cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotatlboi View Post
    I'll have to disagree with you a little bit there. I get the impression that they want as little as possible to do with this issue at least for a little while longer.
    I meant they want to deal with an untenable situation, not necessarily that they want to get to the issue itself. You can't have split circuits on an issue like this. By October it is likely that we will have different opinions in three, as we already have an adverse judgment from the 8th going back to 2006 when some idiot tried to sue Nebraska, and even more from several districts. Anyway, on a high profile issue, that can't stand without review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I'm not seeing anything about W Virginia in the article.


    Interesting that Ole Miss is going to be the last state to bend over and accept homo marriage.


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    ^^^ Those projections ended up being off the mark, with a significant error for some states, e.g. Michigan.

    Maine was actually 54% on the ballot, and thus the true sentiment was probably a bit higher, and the national opinion flipped some time in 2010 according to multiple aggregate polls. Maryland and Washington's predictions for 2012 were probably correct even though the vote scored lower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    ^^^ Those projections ended up being off the mark, with a significant error for some states, e.g. Michigan.

    Maine was actually 54% on the ballot, and thus the true sentiment was probably a bit higher, and the national opinion flipped some time in 2010 according to multiple aggregate polls. Maryland and Washington's predictions for 2012 were probably correct even though the vote scored lower.
    I believe the projections were from March, 2013. Also, Maine approved of SSM with 52.6% at the ballot box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    I believe the projections were from March, 2013. Also, Maine approved of SSM with 52.6% at the ballot box.
    Oh you're right. The 54% was in Washington.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    I meant they want to deal with an untenable situation, not necessarily that they want to get to the issue itself. You can't have split circuits on an issue like this. By October it is likely that we will have different opinions in three, as we already have an adverse judgment from the 8th going back to 2006 when some idiot tried to sue Nebraska, and even more from several districts. Anyway, on a high profile issue, that can't stand without review.
    So long as they might have been able to say the districts were dealing with different issues, like recognizing out-of-state marriages or whatever, they could have stalled some more. But the recent flat statements that the one-man, one-woman status quo violates both the due process and equal protection clauses leaves no room I can see for fiddling around; their only stalling maneuver at this point that I see is to put a case or two on hold so they can hear several from different circuits all at once -- and that won't buy them much time, anyway.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    So long as they might have been able to say the districts were dealing with different issues, like recognizing out-of-state marriages or whatever, they could have stalled some more. But the recent flat statements that the one-man, one-woman status quo violates both the due process and equal protection clauses leaves no room I can see for fiddling around; their only stalling maneuver at this point that I see is to put a case or two on hold so they can hear several from different circuits all at once -- and that won't buy them much time, anyway.
    One year at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    One year at best.
    LOL

    I almost went back and edited to say that. Now you've completed my thought.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    So long as they might have been able to say the districts were dealing with different issues, like recognizing out-of-state marriages or whatever, they could have stalled some more.
    There are 24 lawsuits challenging the whole shebang in 17 states.

    I don't have time to follow the other two dozen that deal with narrow issues, such as the one in Ohio. It's just too much.

    But the recent flat statements that the one-man, one-woman status quo violates both the due process and equal protection clauses leaves no room I can see for fiddling around; their only stalling maneuver at this point that I see is to put a case or two on hold so they can hear several from different circuits all at once -- and that won't buy them much time, anyway.
    I agree with scream, that would delay it by a term maybe. There are six circuits with challenges right now. The 9th and 10th obviously, but the 4th is a big one, Pennsylvania in the 3rd, and then the 6th and 5th circuits as well. I don't think the Supreme Court will wait for the latter two, and we are not likely to win those anyway. Then there is the adverse ruling in the 8th. So having four or five circuit rulings is more than sufficient to provoke the justices to rule.
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    Pennslyvania in the 3rd would be the easiest for the court to punt on if we get a favorable ruling as all three states in that area would have gay marriage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Pennslyvania in the 3rd would be the easiest for the court to punt on if we get a favorable ruling as all three states in that area would have gay marriage.
    And the whole Northeast for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    I meant they want to deal with an untenable situation, not necessarily that they want to get to the issue itself. You can't have split circuits on an issue like this. By October it is likely that we will have different opinions in three, as we already have an adverse judgment from the 8th going back to 2006 when some idiot tried to sue Nebraska, and even more from several districts. Anyway, on a high profile issue, that can't stand without review.
    Wasn't aware of a split at least yet. What circuit has found against a ban based on the federal Constitution? I was only aware of the 9th's ruling in Perry which was vacated by the SCOTUS.

    If the 10th Circuit upholds the district judge's ruling in this case, then yes there would be split.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotatlboi View Post
    Wasn't aware of a split at least yet.
    Who said that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    By October it is likely that we will have different opinions in three...
    And between the 9th and 3rd, don't bet that we won't win both.

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    Ah, I see what you mean.

    Yes I agree that's a good possibility. There's even a not insignificant chance that we win all of them, since the 10th Circuit denied the stay. Generally a stay is denied if the judges feel the plaintiff is unlikely to prevail in their appeal.

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    Two hearings for this week, one in West Virginia and the other in Texas, to discuss getting an early start to marriage equality in those states. A decision from Virginia on summary judgment could come at any time. Note: All three would consequently put a majority of Americans in marriage equality states.

    In addition, the legislative session begins in Indiana. See Related thread: http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...-End-of-an-Era
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    New lawsuit in Arizona

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/01/f...ty-in-arizona/

    Ohh my head hurts

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    Adelante!

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Evor koev li harosh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Evor koev li harosh
    It gives you a headache?

    I don't recognize the first word.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    It gives you a headache?
    Very good

    I don't recognize the first word.
    I'll pass

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    The whole 10th Circuit is ablaze with activity. There was New Mexico this past fall, then Utah, Oklahoma, there will be a petition in Colorado, a tax return lawsuit in Kansas, and a bill in Wyoming. I really don't see the Court of Appeals throwing cold water on it all.

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    A brief summary by state on current cases challenging marriage bans

    Virginia, Arkansas, Texas, and West Virginia could get the go ahead at any time for immediate relief.

    Michigan and Pennsylvania have outstanding trial dates, in February and June respectively.

    No word yet on Kentucky, but one case Bourke v. Beshear will be done briefing a motion for injunctive relief on the 23rd.

    The other cases in North Carolina, South Carolina, Oregon, Tennessee, Colorado, and Idaho have no clear progress, but the NC case has finished briefing.

    Arizona was just filed, and the case in Louisiana was just refiled.
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    Gotta love this, from the second article:

    A spokesman for Governor Bill Haslam Dave Smith said: “The law is clear here. Those decisions don’t affect Tennessee.”

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Looking at that map I am disgusted that my home state, Michigan, and Pennsylvania are the two holdouts in moving toward marriage equality. I'm referring to holdouts among the "Blue Firewall." The Blue Firewall refers to 18 states that haven't carried for a Republican presidential candidate once after the 1980s. Those 18 states are: California; Connecticut; Vice President Joe Biden's home state Delaware; Hawaii; President Barack Obama's home state Illinois; Maine; Maryland; Massachusetts; Michigan; Minnesota (not since 1972); New Jersey; New York; Oregon; Pennsylvania; Rhode Island; Vermont; Washington; and Wisconsin.

    Michigan and Pennsylvania like to elect governors from the opposition party (from that of an incumbent U.S. president in the White House). While I'm not saying anything more specific here about Pennsylvania, with Michigan we are on delay because of the effects of the results of the 2010 midterm elections in which the governor/lieutenant governor, as well as secretary of state and attorney general, are all from the Republican column. (It used to be split: governor/lieutenant governor from one party; secretary of state and attorney general from the opposing party.) They, in addition to a state congress in the Republican camp, are holding back Michigan. And this is a state which—ever since it moved over to the Democratic column for presidential elections (with a realigning map for Bill Clinton) in 1992—has performed a good 5 to 6 points more Democratic than the national margins over those six election cycles (1992 to 2012). And I totally expect that Rick Snyder, the fascist and incumbent Republican, will get re-elected the 48th Governor of Michigan this coming November. I blame part of this on a weak Michigan Democratic Party. I also blame part of this on a dimwitted Michigan voting electorate which is the type that basically figures, "If we carry Democratic for president, as well as the state's two U.S. senate seats, well that is all that matters."
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolBlue71 View Post
    Looking at that map I am disgusted that my home state, Michigan, and Pennsylvania are the two holdouts in moving toward marriage equality.
    Michigan has a comfortable majority in favor, as much as 57% according to the latest poll, while Pennsylvania has a slight one.

    You do not need your legislature. Michigan is an initiated amendment state. I would actually argue that one should go before this year's ballot. The support looks higher in your state than in Oregon!

    However, there is also an upcoming trial scheduled for February 25 that would make such a campaign unnecessary in the event that a pro-gay ruling survives appellate review. In any event, there is no way the ban in your state will survive past 2016, if the Supreme Court does not get there first.

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    If Indiana indeed fails to put this on the ballot this year (either by killing it or amending it), then I hope another state moves to put it on the ballot for 2014. I think either Michigan or Ohio are the best bets, especially considering that the 6th Circuit may be a bit more unfriendly then the 10th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    If Indiana indeed fails to put this on the ballot this year (either by killing it or amending it), then I hope another state moves to put it on the ballot for 2014. I think either Michigan or Ohio are the best bets, especially considering that the 6th Circuit may be a bit more unfriendly then the 10th.
    I don't know if the 6th Circuit has been tested on gay rights issues, but the 10th did slap down Oklahoma's adoption ban.

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