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    How to explain Democratic Socialism to a conservative.

    A well written article that explains what we really need to be working towards and why.

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/12...-a-republican/

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    Re: How to explain Democratic Socialism to a conservative.

    A good article. I have considered myself a democratic socialist for some time, and think more Americans should study it. Even if it gains fewer converts from that, more people will accept it. Socialism reads like a dirty word in politics (in the US). I don't a good reason why.

    I think everyone should read it rather than blindly dismiss it. Especially with the major successes democratic socialism has brought about in Scandinavia (I confess that I'm partial to the Nordic model). And most of the next tier down are FAR better than the American model.

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    Re: How to explain Democratic Socialism to a conservative.

    Quote Originally Posted by cm98059 View Post
    A well written article that explains what we really need to be working towards and why.

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/12...-a-republican/
    John Stuart Mill would be impressed -- that's a superbly pragmatic argument.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: How to explain Democratic Socialism to a conservative.

    Quote Originally Posted by mightbe View Post
    A good article. I have considered myself a democratic socialist for some time, and think more Americans should study it. Even if it gains fewer converts from that, more people will accept it. Socialism reads like a dirty word in politics (in the US). I don't a good reason why.

    I think everyone should read it rather than blindly dismiss it. Especially with the major successes democratic socialism has brought about in Scandinavia (I confess that I'm partial to the Nordic model). And most of the next tier down are FAR better than the American model.
    I haven't studied it to that extent yet, but I have seen some of the things that ALL of the Nordic countries have made, and they have the US beat hands down, in healthcare, Maternity Leave, Paternity Leave, Vacation time, and work ethic. I was reading a story about a New York manager who took a position in Denmark (?) and how he learned that their culture does not revolve around the time clock. We need a lot more of that in this country.

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    Re: How to explain Democratic Socialism to a conservative.

    I see no reason to believe the Democrat party will be able to stop short of a one party Marxist state, whether they plan it or not. By replacing the people and culture of the US with a divisive group of cultures it will probably require some form of authoritarian state to control. If the countries of Europe do not limit abortion and immigration, they are doomed to a similar fate.

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    Re: How to explain Democratic Socialism to a conservative.

    Yeah, you'd much rather a cyberpunk dystopia where omnipotent megacorporations keep us all as slaves. We got that.
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
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    Re: How to explain Democratic Socialism to a conservative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Yeah, you'd much rather a cyberpunk dystopia where omnipotent megacorporations keep us all as slaves. We got that.
    Like those halcyon days of the 50s, when American industries dominated the world and unions could demand huge salaries for workers.

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    Re: How to explain Democratic Socialism to a conservative.

    Should we start listing all the objective reasons why the 50s can NEVER be back, even if all your horrifying America-destroying wishes came true?
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    Re: How to explain Democratic Socialism to a conservative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Yeah, you'd much rather a cyberpunk dystopia where omnipotent megacorporations keep us all as slaves. We got that.
    It's called republican fascism. That's exactly why they are attempting to dismantle dozens of American institutions, raped the Constitution with idiocy like the Patriot Act, dictated social agendas and corporate worship. The result of failed capitalism is fascism. There are factions in the republican party that make the Nazi Party look like a day in the sandbox. These extremists were once totally ignored in this country and it's the main reason they haven't had the popular vote in a presidential election since 1995.

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    Re: How to explain Democratic Socialism to a conservative.

    The point which, as always, you miss, is that the mega corporations were not the problem. They paid big wages. But the unions could not stop squeezing. I am well aware that the 50s cannot come back, but again, big corporations are not the problem. Ma and Pa cannot manufacture automobiles. in the basement.

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    Re: How to explain Democratic Socialism to a conservative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The point which, as always, you miss, is that the mega corporations were not the problem. They paid big wages.
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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    Re: How to explain Democratic Socialism to a conservative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I see no reason to believe the Democrat party will be able to stop short of a one party Marxist state, whether they plan it or not. By replacing the people and culture of the US with a divisive group of cultures it will probably require some form of authoritarian state to control. If the countries of Europe do not limit abortion and immigration, they are doomed to a similar fate.
    Did you read the article? It has nothing to do with the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party is a (like TRexx? said) a right wing party that wants everyone to buy private insurance and is somewhat more socially progressive than the Republicans. Democratic socialism is practically a world away from them.

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    Re: How to explain Democratic Socialism to a conservative.

    cm98059, to answer the question in your title, explain it very slowly, short sentences and fifth grade vocabulary.

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    Re: How to explain Democratic Socialism to a conservative.

    Quote Originally Posted by mightbe View Post
    Did you read the article? It has nothing to do with the Democratic Party. The Democratic, Party is a (like TRexx? said) a right wing party that wants everyone to buy private insurance and is somewhat more socially progressive than the Republicans. Democratic socialism is practically a world away from them.
    I think many, probably most, Democrat leaders would like a socialist system of health care but they did not think they could get it through Congress. Many would say they want the party to be more like the democratic socialist parties, but socialism is a dirty word for many Americans, so they must impose it by stealth. Obama care will probably have the effect of forcing the health insurance companies to exhaust their capital, by claims far exceeding the premiums, leaving the US little choice but socialism. Or Obama-care will fail catastrophically, leading to socialism. I think it was designed to be a interim step toward socialism. A monstrosity designed to be unsatisfactory and short lived.

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    Re: How to explain Democratic Socialism to a conservative.

    Quote Originally Posted by palemale View Post
    cm98059, to answer the question in your title, explain it very slowly, short sentences and fifth grade vocabulary.
    Right on the nail...bravo.

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    Re: How to explain Democratic Socialism to a conservative.

    Quote Originally Posted by palemale View Post
    cm98059, to answer the question in your title, explain it very slowly, short sentences and fifth grade vocabulary.
    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    Right on the nail...bravo.
    I am sorry, but I think that this comment actually insults the intelligence of fifth graders.

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    Re: How to explain Democratic Socialism to a conservative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Like those halcyon days of the 50s, when American industries dominated the world and unions could demand huge salaries for workers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The point which, as always, you miss, is that the mega corporations were not the problem. They paid big wages. But the unions could not stop squeezing. I am well aware that the 50s cannot come back, but again, big corporations are not the problem. Ma and Pa cannot manufacture automobiles. in the basement.
    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I think many, probably most, Democrat leaders would like a socialist system of health care but they did not think they could get it through Congress. Many would say they want the party to be more like the democratic socialist parties, but socialism is a dirty word for many Americans, so they must impose it by stealth. Obama care will probably have the effect of forcing the health insurance companies to exhaust their capital, by claims far exceeding the premiums, leaving the US little choice but socialism. Or Obama-care will fail catastrophically, leading to socialism. I think it was designed to be a interim step toward socialism. A monstrosity designed to be unsatisfactory and short lived.
    This thread is not about the Democratic Party. This thread is about the political concept of Democratic Socialism. A political system where the role of the government is to provide services and protections for the people. It is NOT about UNIONS, it is NOT about Mega Corporations. It is not about IMMIGRATION. If you cannot comment in this thread about the subject of this thread, Please feel free to LEAVE.
    Last edited by cm98059; August 10th, 2013 at 06:05 PM.

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    Re: How to explain Democratic Socialism to a conservative.

    The problem is, you would have ban lobbying in the US to even get a chance at Democratic Socialism.

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    Re: How to explain Democratic Socialism to a conservative.

    All of the parties of democratic socialism in Europe : Britain, Sweden, Germany, France are in serious electoral shit and have been for quite some time, now. They have lost touch with their traditional working class electoral base and are now reliant on the rapidly diminishing support of the middle classes, who`s primary allegiance is towards conservatism and always will be.

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