JustUsBoys.com gay porn forum

logo

remove these banner ads by becoming a JUB Supporter.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 50 of 52
  1. #1

    Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    I want to understand what are Republicans and what are Democrats. I tried to google it up and read but it's too hard for me to understand, so I thought you guys could explain in a human-like language to me which are better, why and so on..

    Thanks in advance!

  2. #2
    mitchymo
    Guest

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    If you take a square, draw a vertical line down the middle, and a horizontal line through the middle, you get the general pattern for the political spectrum (a sort of window). Generally there is a left side of the grid, and a right side of the grid. The right are republicans, left, democrats.
    The two lines represent economic policy and social policy.
    People occupy various positions on the political spectrum depending on their beliefs, so not all republicans are homophobic, and not all democrats are pro gay-marriage. But generally, the right side of the spectrum hold traditional values, the left side, progressive values.
    At the far end of both republicans and democrats, you have generally speaking, whackjobs to the left, fascists to the right.

    You can take a political test to find out roughly where you are on the political map here http://www.politicalcompass.org/

    I expect you will get a far thorough answer from someone with more in-depth knowledge, but i hope i helped a bit. The party that is 'better' depends entirely on your view of the world and how it works now, did, or should in the future.
    Last edited by mitchymo; August 6th, 2013 at 03:09 PM.

  3. #3
    JUB Addict T-Rexx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    4,625

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Democrats are right-wing extremists who believe in balanced budgets, taxation based upon income and wealth, and that everyone in America should be forced to pay for private health insurance.

    Republicans are right-wing extremists who believe in deficit spending, government guarantees on income for the very wealthy, and socialized medicine.

  4. #4
    Virtus in medio stat JUB Admin opinterph's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Jawja
    Status
    Partnered
    Posts
    21,085
    Blog Entries
    14

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Democrats are right-wing extremists who believe in balanced budgets, taxation based upon income and wealth, and that everyone in America should be forced to pay for private health insurance.

    Republicans are right-wing extremists who believe in deficit spending, government guarantees on income for the very wealthy, and socialized medicine.
    Hmmm.

    Sometimes we forget this is an international forum. The OP is asking a sincere question.

  5. #5
    JUB Addict T-Rexx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    4,625

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    ^ Many a truth is told in jest.

  6. #6
    In Heat............ BENDERBOY's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Edinburgh, Scotland.
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    102,468

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Democrats are generally the good guys.

    Republicans are spewed out from the seed of Satan.
    "You may only be one person to the world, but you may also be the world to one person"
    - anonymous quote.

  7. #7

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    With that understanding, NOW I understand why you are a Democrat, tRxx.

  8. #8
    Active bendted's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    1,123

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Simple:
    Democrats - for gay rights
    Republicans - against gay rights
    If you could just put a light bulb over every gay personís head, people would see just how well-lit their streets and cities are.
    -Alexey Odintsov

  9. #9

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Earth is doomed.

  10. #10
    Slut ArseYouLikeIt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Old Blighty
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Dating
    Posts
    251

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Vote Labour.

  11. #11
    JUB Addict cm98059's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Holdenville
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Available
    Posts
    1,384

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Blowyou, it would help in explaining what the Democratic and republican parties stand for if we could relate it to the system you are familiar with, but your profile doesn't give us any clue as to where you are. But I am going to try to explain it in plain English, hopefully it will help you understand more. If anyone wants to add to this information, they are welcome to do so, so long as their information is credible and not inflammatory.

    In the United States we have a Representative Democracy, in this system, the electorate (the citizens) elect representatives to represent them in government. Two of the political parties that politicians can choose to identify with are the Republican Party and the Democrats. We have many more parties, but they are not discussed in our media, because the media wants to pretend that we have a two party system. Both the Democratic Party and the Republican party are Right Wing Authoritarian Parties. If you plotted them both on a x-y, a-b graph, both parties would fall in the upper right quadrant of the graph. The two political candidates that ran in the last election would be plotted as +6.0, +6.0 and the other candidate would plot as +9.0, +6.5. Which as you can see is not a large difference between the two candidates, considering that there are a large number of Americans that fall on the graph as a -5.5, -4.5. Nearly polar opposites of the political parties. The republican party is generally thought to be a little more conservative on social issues than the Democrats. But there is very little difference between the two parties. In general terms, the republican party members tend to be more religious conservative; pro-life, pro-religion, anti gay, and in recent years racist. The Democrats tend to be in favor of social reforms like marriage equality, pro choice, in favor of Social Welfare programs, and tend to be in favor of keeping religion out of government.

    In real simple terms, the difference between the Republicans and Democrats is not much. Especially when compared to the spectrum of political views held by the majority of Americans.

  12. #12
    Bammer's Papa
    Kulindahr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    on the foggy, damp, redneck Oregon coast
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Bisexual
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    101,407
    Blog Entries
    78

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Republicans want to put morals into law and let you hang economically; Democrats want to regulate the hell out of everything but morals.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

  13. #13
    JUB Addict cm98059's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Holdenville
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Available
    Posts
    1,384

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Republicans want to put morals into law and let you hang economically; Democrats want to regulate the hell out of everything but morals.
    I don't know if that is totally true, I have yet to hear a Democratic proposal to regulate prostitution and tax the hell out of it.
    edit>

    OH Duh, that was not a good example, prostitution is a moral issue, it's the republicans that want to tax the hell out of prostitution, wait, no the republicans want to tax the prostitutes, because if they taxed prostitution, they and their cronies would have to pay higher prices.
    Last edited by cm98059; August 7th, 2013 at 03:06 AM. Reason: added to

  14. #14

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    The US was beginning in the 1600s, settled by the British and other Northern Europeans, and remained overwhelmingly white, Protestant, and mostly British until the last half of the 1800s with some Germans, Scandinavians, Irish etc.
    The stated goal of the country was assimilation into a unified country, notwithstanding multiple origins. "From many one." Was the otto.
    AFTER the civil war, the Democrats, having lost the war and having lost slavery became a minority party, a coalition of minorities, primarily the disgruntled Southerners and non protestant immigrants, especially Irish. "Rum, Romanism and Rebellion"
    The country was very religious and Christian with traditional protestant morality.
    The Republican party was the overwhelming majority party up until the Great Depression. The country was very religious with traditional Protestant morality and work ethic, with a strong consensus favoring capitalism and democracy. The country was comprised of hard working, religious people who quickly expanded across the US while making it an Industrial and economic giant among nations.
    The picture became confused during the Depression and WWII, but after the war the Republicans gradually again became the party of the Protestant majority, north and south, and increasingly of assimilated Americans Catholics. It is the party of assimilated Americans.
    Since the Civil War, the Democrats have been the minority, ANTI party; anti northern, anti protestant, anti capitalist, anti economy, anti establishment, anti wealth, increasingly anti Christian, anti assimilated American, anti constitution, anti majority, anti democracy (legislation by activist judge is no democracy). You name it, the Democrats are anti-it.
    Tragically, with abortion and immigration, they are winning.
    Last edited by Benvolio; August 7th, 2013 at 03:51 AM.

  15. #15
    Impish and Mercurial Rolyo85's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Boystown, Chicago
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    8,679

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Amen to that.
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
    - Gene Wolfe

  16. #16

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	pcgrap.png 
Views:	17 
Size:	2.7 KB 
ID:	975946

    Well this is my political compass, lol. So where do I stand?

  17. #17
    mitchymo
    Guest

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    You don't stand with republicans, that's for sure.
    My test has me in that green box too, but i am higher up (less libertarian), and further to the left. It is an identical match to Gandhi.

  18. #18
    Impish and Mercurial Rolyo85's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Boystown, Chicago
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    8,679

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...




    I turned out fairly libertarian. Ew.
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
    - Gene Wolfe

  19. #19
    Porn Star
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    418

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Democratic Party is closer...but a LONG way to the left and much more liberal (in the classical sense). You're close to where I am. The party in the US that's closest to that is the Green Party, a very small one that's not in Congress. What country are you from?

  20. #20
    Impish and Mercurial Rolyo85's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Boystown, Chicago
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    8,679

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Bulgaria. But I don't really represent the Balkan type of mindset.
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
    - Gene Wolfe

  21. #21
    Slut ArseYouLikeIt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Old Blighty
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Dating
    Posts
    251

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    I`m in the purple box even though I vote for the British Labour party. A lot of political identification is negative, standing and voting against a certain political party rather than positively voting in favour of one. I always vote labour because I was brought up in a labour household where the tories (conservative party) were despised. But like my father, I tend to have fairly right-wing views on defence and foreign affairs etc and I support the Monarchy. I think that all of the political parties, both in the US and Uk, are having to rely more on a negative appeal to their tribal voter base rather than a positive appeal across the classes as a whole, and this is detrimental to the image of politics in general.

  22. #22

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Oh, sorry, guys, I forgot to mention where I'm from. I'm from Latvia

  23. #23

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    That's near where I landed

  24. #24

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post



    I turned out fairly libertarian. Ew.
    This* being what I was referring to. Im fairly libertarian as well and I consider it a good thing

  25. #25
    mitchymo
    Guest

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Quote Originally Posted by ArseYouLikeIt View Post
    I`m in the purple box even though I vote for the British Labour party.
    That purple box is dominated by the Lib Dem's here. Despite being in the green box and the Green Party being closer to me politically, the Lib Dem's get my vote as being closer to my values than either Conservatives or Labour who aren't far apart from each other in that blue box. Lib Dem's are not only closer economically to me, but socially too. They are the only party of the 3 that stand any real chance who i'd vote for until a more centrist position allows Greens to compete. That can't happen when the two major parties occupy the same space. People think they are voting for something different when they vote Labour or Conservative, but actually, they are just allowing an on-going battle of which party will ultimately get to govern that spectrum of the political map (the blue box). Its Labours fault to be honest, when they began politics, they occupied a similiar position as the greens, they were a real choice, but NEW LABOUR headed to the right AND authoritarianism. They are no longer as socialist as they used to be, no longer as liberal as they used to be, they essentially have abandoned their roots in favour of winning against their mortal enemy, and in doing so have moved closer towards them to compete for votes.

    Any Brit that wants real change should seriously consider voting for the Lib Dem's, in order to make Labour think seriously about what choice it is actually offering the people, that Conservatives aren't. Its no surprise that nothing changes when the government flicks between Conservative and Labour, they're too alike.

    Its quite depressing that UKIP have emerged to attract the popular vote for change or protest recently too, UKIP occupies a similiar position again. People need to learn that if you want change, you can't keep voting for parties which are practically the same on issues of economics and social issues. Its like giving people a choice of desserts, but only giving a choice of apple crumble, rhubarb crumble or cherry crumble, great if you like crumble but....you see what i mean.
    It almost feels like a fix, where people are ruled by a single government, that splits into different groups to facillitate the illusion that people somehow have a real choice. In the UK, The Real choice does not lie between Conservatives and Labour, nor UKIP either. They all occupy similiar space in that blue box. Lib Dem's, Greens, and Respect, are the three parties that offer the real choice to less capitalist or less liberal parties (conservatives, labour, UKIP), or both. They each occupy one of the other boxes. Lib Dems-purple, Respect-red and Green Party- green

  26. #26
    Impish and Mercurial Rolyo85's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Boystown, Chicago
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    8,679

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blatino View Post
    This* being what I was referring to. Im fairly libertarian as well and I consider it a good thing
    I find Libertarian ideology to be inhumane, soulless and utterly disgusting. That said, I am talking about the stuff I've experienced with the people who are related to the party. Not sure if the term is used in the same manner here.
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
    - Gene Wolfe

  27. #27
    Virtus in medio stat JUB Admin opinterph's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Jawja
    Status
    Partnered
    Posts
    21,085
    Blog Entries
    14

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    My Current Result:

    Economic Left/Right: -4.00
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.18




    November 2010:
    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Economic Left/Right: -1.62
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.67


    December 2008:
    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Economic Left/Right: -3.00

    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.00

  28. #28
    JUB Addict cm98059's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Holdenville
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Available
    Posts
    1,384

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Quote Originally Posted by blowyouwithabang View Post
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	pcgrap.png 
Views:	17 
Size:	2.7 KB 
ID:	975946

    Well this is my political compass, lol. So where do I stand?
    Well, you would stand with the majority of the people in these forums. Unfortunately, the Democrats and the republicans are firmly entrenched in the blue section to the upper right. You, me, and many more are not represented by either party. We would be independents or Liberals.

  29. #29
    JUB Addict cm98059's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Holdenville
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Available
    Posts
    1,384

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	11111.png 
Views:	20 
Size:	17.5 KB 
ID:	976115

    Here is the graph with the candidates of the last election here in the US plotted. I am the dot farthest to the left and most liberal. In other words farthest left and closest to the bottom.

  30. #30
    JUB Addict T-Rexx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    4,625

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Quote Originally Posted by cm98059 View Post
    Well, you would stand with the majority of the people in these forums. Unfortunately, the Democrats and the republicans are firmly entrenched in the blue section to the upper right. You, me, and many more are not represented by either party. We would be independents or Liberals.
    Thank you, cm98059.

    This fact cannot be stated emphatically enough. We have two political parties in America, right and far right. Because we are restricted to just two choices, a great many of us have no representation whatsoever. Look at Barack Obama's (projected) score, and notice how close he comes to Mitt Romney:

    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails internationalchart.png  

  31. #31
    JUB Addict cm98059's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Holdenville
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Available
    Posts
    1,384

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I find Libertarian ideology to be inhumane, soulless and utterly disgusting. That said, I am talking about the stuff I've experienced with the people who are related to the party. Not sure if the term is used in the same manner here.
    In the United States, Libertarian ideology is:

    Libertarians support maximum liberty in both personal and economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence. Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties.[4][5]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberta..._United_States
    Last edited by opinterph; August 7th, 2013 at 07:53 PM. Reason: added quote tags

  32. #32
    JUB Addict cm98059's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Holdenville
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Available
    Posts
    1,384

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Thank you, cm98059.

    This fact cannot be stated emphatically enough. We have two political parties in America, right and far right. Because we are restricted to just two choices, a great many of us have no representation whatsoever. Look at Barack Obama's (projected) score, and notice how close he comes to Mitt Romney:

    We have other political choices in the United States, The problem is that our media portrays our system as being a two party system. We need to break the mindset that we have a two party system so people will feel comfortable voting for candidates that support their views. As long as everyone, the media in particular, keeps saying that we have a two party system, we cannot effect change in this country.

  33. #33
    Bammer's Papa
    Kulindahr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    on the foggy, damp, redneck Oregon coast
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Bisexual
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    101,407
    Blog Entries
    78

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Quote Originally Posted by cm98059 View Post
    We have other political choices in the United States, The problem is that our media portrays our system as being a two party system. We need to break the mindset that we have a two party system so people will feel comfortable voting for candidates that support their views. As long as everyone, the media in particular, keeps saying that we have a two party system, we cannot effect change in this country.
    There won't be a viable third party until the House is made proportional within state delegations. The winner-take-all system locks out anyone but the two faces of the Whore in Washington.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

  34. #34
    Virtus in medio stat JUB Admin opinterph's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Jawja
    Status
    Partnered
    Posts
    21,085
    Blog Entries
    14

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I turned out fairly libertarian. Ew.
    And the other end of that continuum is authoritarianism.

    Authoritarianism is Ö characterized by absolute or blind obedience to authority, as against individual freedom and related to the expectation of unquestioning obedience. [Wiki]

  35. #35
    Bammer's Papa
    Kulindahr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    on the foggy, damp, redneck Oregon coast
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Bisexual
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    101,407
    Blog Entries
    78

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    And the other end of that continuum is authoritarianism.
    It's the expectation of unquestioning obedience that characterizes authoritarianism best in a political party. A good measure of one's level of authoritarianism is the extent to which one actually believes a certain statement of Thomas Jefferson: better a thousand guilty walk free than one innocent be punished.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

  36. #36
    Lions&Tigers&Bears Oh My!
    eastofeden's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Silicon Valley
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Partnered
    Posts
    5,044
    Blog Entries
    2

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Quote Originally Posted by mitchymo View Post
    You don't stand with republicans, that's for sure.
    My test has me in that green box too, but i am higher up (less libertarian), and further to the left. It is an identical match to Gandhi.
    Same here..identical match politically to Ghandi as well.

  37. #37
    JUB Addict cm98059's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Holdenville
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Available
    Posts
    1,384

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    There won't be a viable third party until the House is made proportional within state delegations. The winner-take-all system locks out anyone but the two faces of the Whore in Washington.
    This is one of the problems with the electoral college. When it was created, it had a purpose, but in this day of electronic media, where we now what the votes across the country were in a matter of hours to just a couple of days, the sstem is outdated and needs to be revamped or eliminated completely.

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    And the other end of that continuum is authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    It's the expectation of unquestioning obedience that characterizes authoritarianism best in a political party. A good measure of one's level of authoritarianism is the extent to which one actually believes a certain statement of Thomas Jefferson: better a thousand guilty walk free than one innocent be punished.
    In our current political system, it also applies to blindly adhering to Political Ideology. If you don't accept the parties political ideology 100%, you are branded as not being a "True" ___________ Insert political party here. Which is why I do not claim to be a member of any party.

  38. #38
    Porn Star
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    418

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    This picture. Look where David Cameron is. And then Julia Gillard. And then Hollande. All very important leaders (well, former in Gillard's case) of rather progressive and powerful countries. And then look where Obama is. If the (UK) Conservative PM is more liberal than the (US) Democratic president, shit's gone south for good.

  39. #39
    Bammer's Papa
    Kulindahr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    on the foggy, damp, redneck Oregon coast
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Bisexual
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    101,407
    Blog Entries
    78

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Quote Originally Posted by cm98059 View Post
    This is one of the problems with the electoral college. When it was created, it had a purpose, but in this day of electronic media, where we now what the votes across the country were in a matter of hours to just a couple of days, the sstem is outdated and needs to be revamped or eliminated completely.
    The EC never had anything to do with the amount of time it took for results to get in, it had to do with balancing population v state equality. The point at issue is that the President is elected by the states. So if any reform is to be done, it should be in the direction of giving the tiny -(population) states a louder voice.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

  40. #40
    Slut ArseYouLikeIt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Old Blighty
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Dating
    Posts
    251

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    @Mitchymo Quite a good post actually but on reflection, I`d say my position is probably slap bang on the line between the purple and blue boxes, so thanks for helping me shift As to your assertion that only the lib-dems offer any alternative to either the Tories or Labour and therefor deserve support at the next general election...well, I`ll take that as the joke that it undoubtedly was meant to be

  41. #41
    JUB Addict T-Rexx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    4,625

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Quote Originally Posted by mightbe View Post
    This picture. Look where David Cameron is. And then Julia Gillard. And then Hollande. All very important leaders (well, former in Gillard's case) of rather progressive and powerful countries. And then look where Obama is. If the (UK) Conservative PM is more liberal than the (US) Democratic president, shit's gone south for good.
    This is a long-standing observation, in fact.

    Our Democratic Party in America is slightly to the right of (or commensurate with) European conservative parties.

    America has no liberal party. Our Democratic Party is an American conservative party. Our Republican party is an American Taliban (the fundamentalist religious party of the right).

  42. #42
    Likes cock.
    ChickenGuy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Brighton, England
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    5,134

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    I think they've made this quiz better, it wasn't so extensive last time as I recall.

    My results....



    Pretty accurate. Economically I'm strongly anti-capitalist, socialist, and relatively authoritarian so.

    HOWEVER, in constitutional and state terms I'm also nationalist, monarchist, and traditional.

    Quote Originally Posted by mitchymo View Post
    That purple box is dominated by the Lib Dem's here. Despite being in the green box and the Green Party being closer to me politically, the Lib Dem's get my vote as being closer to my values than either Conservatives or Labour who aren't far apart from each other in that blue box. Lib Dem's are not only closer economically to me, but socially too. They are the only party of the 3 that stand any real chance who i'd vote for until a more centrist position allows Greens to compete. That can't happen when the two major parties occupy the same space. People think they are voting for something different when they vote Labour or Conservative, but actually, they are just allowing an on-going battle of which party will ultimately get to govern that spectrum of the political map (the blue box). Its Labours fault to be honest, when they began politics, they occupied a similiar position as the greens, they were a real choice, but NEW LABOUR headed to the right AND authoritarianism. They are no longer as socialist as they used to be, no longer as liberal as they used to be, they essentially have abandoned their roots in favour of winning against their mortal enemy, and in doing so have moved closer towards them to compete for votes.

    Any Brit that wants real change should seriously consider voting for the Lib Dem's, in order to make Labour think seriously about what choice it is actually offering the people, that Conservatives aren't. Its no surprise that nothing changes when the government flicks between Conservative and Labour, they're too alike.

    Its quite depressing that UKIP have emerged to attract the popular vote for change or protest recently too, UKIP occupies a similiar position again. People need to learn that if you want change, you can't keep voting for parties which are practically the same on issues of economics and social issues. Its like giving people a choice of desserts, but only giving a choice of apple crumble, rhubarb crumble or cherry crumble, great if you like crumble but....you see what i mean.
    It almost feels like a fix, where people are ruled by a single government, that splits into different groups to facillitate the illusion that people somehow have a real choice. In the UK, The Real choice does not lie between Conservatives and Labour, nor UKIP either. They all occupy similiar space in that blue box. Lib Dem's, Greens, and Respect, are the three parties that offer the real choice to less capitalist or less liberal parties (conservatives, labour, UKIP), or both. They each occupy one of the other boxes. Lib Dems-purple, Respect-red and Green Party- green
    Mitchy I used to be Lib Dem and voted for them many times. I'm now in the position of 'defecting' over to UKIP, which I'm not fully happy about but which I WILL do to prevent this awful dreadful creeping European big-state federalist takeover and subjugation of my country. How you can see this, realise this, and as you said in a previous thread are HAPPY with this is staggering to me.

    On other points though I agree completely with you - New Labour and Conservative are peas in a pod and dancing on a sixpence with their 'differences' and it's a sham and a false 'choice' between those two. If Old Labour of the 1980's were still around I'd vote for them in a heartbeat probably. In many areas I agree with you that Lib Dems represent real change, and in many areas I'm still in complete agreement with them.

    Regrettably, in the MOST important area of all, they've lost me completely and I can no longer vote for them. They've surrendered themselves to EVERYTHING and ANYTHING the European Union wants. That's not standing up for Britain, that's not being proud of being British, that's not recognising ANY good qualities our collective country has, that's saying you prefer the grand European one-nation dictat as imposed on you, and you're effectively saying, "I, Mitchymo, will happily roll over and accept all that my masters in Brussels with their superior European designs tell me to do." That's a ridiculous, preposterous, stupid, closed-minded way of thinking and I will never support it.

    You mention Lib Dem, Green, and Respect. If you could ONLY demonstrate to me that any of those three parties will keep their social and economic policies BUT will go no further into the E.U., will keep and support the independence of the established British Parliament, Lords, and monarchy, and will keep a tight barrier on our borders against out-of-control illegal immigration, then I would GLADLY vote for them. But until you can, I'll be voting UKIP.

  43. #43
    mitchymo
    Guest

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Quote Originally Posted by ArseYouLikeIt View Post
    As to your assertion that only the lib-dems offer any alternative to either the Tories or Labour and therefor deserve support at the next general election...well, I`ll take that as the joke that it undoubtedly was meant to be
    That was no joke. Honestly. Why would you consider it so?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post

    Economically I'm strongly anti-capitalist, socialist, and relatively authoritarian so.

    HOWEVER, in constitutional and state terms I'm also nationalist, monarchist, and traditional.



    Mitchy I used to be Lib Dem and voted for them many times. I'm now in the position of 'defecting' over to UKIP, which I'm not fully happy about but which I WILL do to prevent this awful dreadful creeping European big-state federalist takeover and subjugation of my country. How you can see this, realise this, and as you said in a previous thread are HAPPY with this is staggering to me.

    On other points though I agree completely with you - New Labour and Conservative are peas in a pod and dancing on a sixpence with their 'differences' and it's a sham and a false 'choice' between those two. If Old Labour of the 1980's were still around I'd vote for them in a heartbeat probably. In many areas I agree with you that Lib Dems represent real change, and in many areas I'm still in complete agreement with them.

    Regrettably, in the MOST important area of all, they've lost me completely and I can no longer vote for them. They've surrendered themselves to EVERYTHING and ANYTHING the European Union wants. That's not standing up for Britain, that's not being proud of being British, that's not recognising ANY good qualities our collective country has, that's saying you prefer the grand European one-nation dictat as imposed on you, and you're effectively saying, "I, Mitchymo, will happily roll over and accept all that my masters in Brussels with their superior European designs tell me to do." That's a ridiculous, preposterous, stupid, closed-minded way of thinking and I will never support it.

    You mention Lib Dem, Green, and Respect. If you could ONLY demonstrate to me that any of those three parties will keep their social and economic policies BUT will go no further into the E.U., will keep and support the independence of the established British Parliament, Lords, and monarchy, and will keep a tight barrier on our borders against out-of-control illegal immigration, then I would GLADLY vote for them. But until you can, I'll be voting UKIP.
    Chickenguy, i want you to pay attention to this part you wrote -"I, Mitchymo, will happily roll over and accept all that my masters in Brussels with their superior European designs tell me to do." That's a ridiculous, preposterous, stupid, closed-minded way of thinking and I will never support it.

    This attempt to critique my viewpoint on Europe shows you to be one enormous hypocrite. You have the audacity to claim my support of Europe is ridiculous, stupid and closed-minded, and yet it is you who has the voting intention of supporting a party that goes against EVERYTHING you say you believe in. You're happy to vote for a party that is not only more capitalist than either Labour or Conservative, but one that is less liberal also.
    Essentially, its UKIP's nationalism that seems to be the overwhelming importance to you. Its sad to have to say this, considering, but you'd be less of a hypocrite if you voted BNP instead. If you are strongly anti-capitalist AND socialist like you say (and that your test results reflect), then BNP, despite being the racist party of this land, are truer to your values than UKIP are, they are less capitalist, more socialist, barely more authoritarian, just a shame they're bigotted.
    Have you not been watching the news?? UKIP are more far-right than the BNP. Its no surprise that members have been caught out exhibitting racist ideology. UKIP are the modern BNP. They stand on a nationalist platform, and you'd be an idiot to think that if the UK left the EU, that UKIP wouldn't then turn its attention towards a more fascist agenda, once its primary goal was no longer an issue. It has a perfect cover at the moment, in being an anti-Europe party, new on the political scene, rather than anti anything else, but anti they are, and anti-gay is no exception. No gay person voting UKIP can hold my respect, and even less so when they claim (and know to be) a supporter of the values that reflect the opposite of what UKIP and the likes of the far right stand for. It makes YOU the sell out.
    Its laughable to claim my stance on Europe sees me rolling over to be subjugated, when in fact you're the one proving to be doing it by supporting a party that wants to do exactly that. My support of Europe is based on integration. Its something that solidifies both my socialist position, and my pride in Europe's greater liberalism than most of the rest of the world.
    Your sense of nationalism happens to be preposterous to me. I do not regard the British identity or way of life to be worth protecting to the extent that it inhibits progressivism.
    I am proud to be British, as much as you can be proud of a nationality that we don't choose, its no REAL pride. Its a pride in the dominant values, in the triumphs and achievements of this nation. Those values and that sense of pride won't disappear by connecting with other nations that share those values, it can only solidify our greatness as a region.
    Nationalism however, snubs our neighbours, and is arrogant. It implies that we are self made, when we know we are built on centuries of European immigration. Our great values are simply not OURS, they are the global goodness that can be found in every corner of the world, from the States to Indonesia, Chile to North Korea. The only difference is the numbers of people who support those good values from region to region, and i'm afraid to say CG, that having those values count for nothing when you don't cement them at the ballot box, choosing instead to vote counter-productive to any good sense, simply because you happen to be a little more patriotic than is good for you.
    Last edited by mitchymo; August 10th, 2013 at 03:00 PM.

  44. #44
    Likes cock.
    ChickenGuy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Brighton, England
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    5,134

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Bottom line Mitchy I DO NOT WANT my country to be a part of the European Union, it has gone WAY too far. NO party OTHER than UKIP will give me a referendum where I can say NO to this awful maniacal almost religiously inspired crazed notion of ever-closer union. Lol, do you think I'm the only one in the U.K. who thinks this way? What party do you think is going to come top of the polls in next year's European Parliament elections? What party do you think will come second? Two eurosceptic parties in first-second place, you know it as well as I do. And which party will be languishing home in a very distant fourth if they're lucky? So much for your 'popular' opinion and your idea that you think your views represent the mainstream British public.

    And no Mitchy the UKIP is NOT the BNP, it's a bit silly of you to try to claim they're identical. The BNP are a bunch of ugly racist homophobic thugs and skinheads who essentially believe in a white-supremacist ideology despite their attempts to hide it. They want pretty much ALL minorites out the back door, and their mastery of propaganda knows no bounds, as evidenced by their very swift and insensitive reaction to the Lee Rigby murder in Woolwich. That is a LONG way from UKIP who are mostly, I admit, plain old-fashioned disgruntled Conservatives and rather older ones at that.

    As for not sharing any other views with UKIP, I'd point to their refreshing disregarding of the oppressive PC brigade that's sprung up in this country where any slip-of-the-tongue or mis-spoken comment is leapt upon by the likes of the BBC and people are forced to apologise for things they shouldn't have to apologise for. It's getting beyond a joke with them dictating to people what phrases and words they should use. I'm longing for someone to tell the BBC and the oh-so-politically-correct liberal media "no I WILL NOT apologise and I don't give a shit what you think or who is offended."

    Nationalism snubs our neighbours? If they're threatening the independence of my country, then you're damn right I'll snub them. Nationalism is arrogant? Damn right it is, as that's apparently the only way you'll get through to organisations like the E.U. that enough is enough and you get listened to instead of ignored.

    Mitchy everything I've said was all the position of the British far-left in this country not too many years ago, before, as you said, Labour abandoned that ground for centrism and neo-conservatism, so why you're criticising me for simply wanting things back to how they were in this country, I've no idea. In my opinion it was far better that way.

  45. #45
    mitchymo
    Guest

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    Bottom line Mitchy I DO NOT WANT my country to be a part of the European Union, it has gone WAY too far. NO party OTHER than UKIP will give me a referendum where I can say NO to this awful maniacal almost religiously inspired crazed notion of ever-closer union. Lol, do you think I'm the only one in the U.K. who thinks this way? What party do you think is going to come top of the polls in next year's European Parliament elections? What party do you think will come second? Two eurosceptic parties in first-second place, you know it as well as I do. And which party will be languishing home in a very distant fourth if they're lucky? So much for your 'popular' opinion and your idea that you think your views represent the mainstream British public.
    A very snide post CG. Since when have i claimed 'popular' opinion and mainstream representation? Do point it out won't you.

    And no Mitchy the UKIP is NOT the BNP, it's a bit silly of you to try to claim they're identical. The BNP are a bunch of ugly racist homophobic thugs and skinheads who essentially believe in a white-supremacist ideology despite their attempts to hide it. They want pretty much ALL minorites out the back door, and their mastery of propaganda knows no bounds, as evidenced by their very swift and insensitive reaction to the Lee Rigby murder in Woolwich. That is a LONG way from UKIP who are mostly, I admit, plain old-fashioned disgruntled Conservatives and rather older ones at that.
    From snide, to patronising (and false). I know perfectly well the difference between the two parties. My post was perfectly clear enough in showing that. The BNP may not represent you in its social policies, but economically, it is far closer to yours (and mine) more socialist stance, AND, crucially for you, its nationalist. UKIP are nationalist, but not racist (on the surface) like the BNP.
    I think it incredibly ironic that you criticise Europe for "this almost religiously inspired crazed notion of ever-closer union" whilst happily going to vote for a party that opposed gay marriage in favour of the DEFINATELY religiously inspired interpretation of the word marriage. UKIP are not merely about exiting Europe, their wider policies are fascistic.

    As for not sharing any other views with UKIP, I'd point to their refreshing disregarding of the oppressive PC brigade that's sprung up in this country where any slip-of-the-tongue or mis-spoken comment is leapt upon by the likes of the BBC and people are forced to apologise for things they shouldn't have to apologise for. It's getting beyond a joke with them dictating to people what phrases and words they should use.
    PMSL. PMSL. PMSL. I say that thrice to reflect just how much of a joke this comment is. UKIP are BOUND to hold that position, especially when they have a party chairman that refers to the developing world as "bongo-bongo land" They don't like the excess of political correctness, well neither do most people, but most people don't happen to be politically incorrect, which is just as bad.

    Nationalism snubs our neighbours? If they're threatening the independence of my country, then you're damn right I'll snub them. Nationalism is arrogant? Damn right it is, as that's apparently the only way you'll get through to organisations like the E.U. that enough is enough and you get listened to instead of ignored.
    Your nationalism doesn't want the EU listening to it. You've already stated you want OUT of the EU. That is what UKIP want, but that's NOT what most parties want. Neither is it what most businesses want.

    Mitchy everything I've said was all the position of the British far-left in this country not too many years ago, before, as you said, Labour abandoned that ground for centrism and neo-conservatism, so why you're criticising me for simply wanting things back to how they were in this country, I've no idea. In my opinion it was far better that way.
    Yeah, of course it was. The 70's are well known for their socialist and liberal ideals. Gays never had it so good, racism didn't exist, the media was transparent, the police were trustworthy, the politicians without scandal. Yeah, let's take a step back. No thanks.

  46. #46
    JUB Addict cm98059's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Holdenville
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Available
    Posts
    1,384

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Sorry guys, but I don't think this is helping the OP learn about the Democratic and Republican Parties in the United States.

  47. #47
    Likes cock.
    ChickenGuy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Brighton, England
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    5,134

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Quote Originally Posted by mitchymo View Post
    A very snide post CG. Since when have i claimed 'popular' opinion and mainstream representation? Do point it out won't you.
    Fine, I withdraw the word 'popular'. It still doesn't detract from my point - that you and your party's expressed opinion on Europe is losing it voters (such as myself) and it will be calamitous for its placing in the next European Parliament elections. But I'm sure that wouldn't stop you from lecturing all UKIP voters and accusing them all of supporting fascists.

    From snide, to patronising (and false). I know perfectly well the difference between the two parties. My post was perfectly clear enough in showing that.
    No it wasn't. I took it as read. And I wasn't being patronising.

    I think it incredibly ironic that you criticise Europe for "this almost religiously inspired crazed notion of ever-closer union" whilst happily going to vote for a party that opposed gay marriage in favour of the DEFINATELY religiously inspired interpretation of the word marriage.
    As I said before, I'm not happy with that, and I wish they'd change their stance.

    UKIP are not merely about exiting Europe, their wider policies are fascistic.
    I'll make you a deal. I won't vote for them if you can show me an overtly anti-European but otherwise left-wing party in the U.K. to vote for. Why one doesn't exist is a bit beyond me. So I'm left with little choice.

    PMSL. PMSL. PMSL. I say that thrice to reflect just how much of a joke this comment is. UKIP are BOUND to hold that position, especially when they have a party chairman that refers to the developing world as "bongo-bongo land" They don't like the excess of political correctness, well neither do most people, but most people don't happen to be politically incorrect, which is just as bad.
    Context. Context. Context. I say that thrice. And I don't mean the comment you quoted which was admittedly clumsy and ill-advised, I'm referring to the wider agenda of engineered fake 'outrage' when a perfectly innocent misuse of a word is used and the despicable demonising of people. And if they DARE not apologise? Then they're RACIST (of course). More smearing of their reputation. It's disgraceful. Enough with ORDERING people in public how they should speak.

    Your nationalism doesn't want the EU listening to it. You've already stated you want OUT of the EU. That is what UKIP want, but that's NOT what most parties want. Neither is it what most businesses want.
    Most parties and businesses and in the pay and are subserviant to the bureaucratic, ANTI-democratic (no referendums), pro-European clique that NO-ONE will stand up to. And is NO price too high to pay for you for your precious political business interests?

    Yeah, of course it was. The 70's are well known for their socialist and liberal ideals. Gays never had it so good, racism didn't exist, the media was transparent, the police were trustworthy, the politicians without scandal. Yeah, let's take a step back. No thanks.
    Who's being snide now? I was clearly referring to the political and national aspects of it, not the social and cultural ones you've cherry-picked. You could bring ANY British 1970's politician of whatever ideology or class into the future and show them 2013, and they'd stand aghast at what the E.E.C. (as they knew it) has been transformed into. And I'd share their horror. It's a nightmare. And I desperately, DESPERATELY want my country out of it.

  48. #48
    mitchymo
    Guest

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    There are only 2 parties in the UK who want out of the EU, CG. UKIP and BNP. Both are nationalist parties, and both are worse alternatives to Conservatives or Labour.
    The Green party, which is far closer to your overall political position, are not calling for withdrawal, but ARE calling for a referendum.

    Your vote for UKIP helps to maintain a rightist and authoritarian political agenda. You say you wish that UKIP didn't hold anti-gay views, well i wish that BNP didn't hold racist views, but i don't choose to vote BNP anyways if they happen to have a key policy i like. If you're prepared to ignore UKIP's authoritarian and pro-capitalist stance just so you can see us step out of the EU, then your cutting off your nose despite your face.

    For me, i don't care about the UK being an independent nation, or part of a federal Europe, so long as our way of life is protected. I certainly won't vote for a party that claims to be a democratic libertarian party, that tramples over gay rights in favour of religious imposition, that is xenophobic, that is self-interested and without global care. I WON'T support nationalism. It's a step closer to fascism.

  49. #49
    HA! ;-)
    Kyanimal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Milwaukee
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Open Relationship
    Posts
    16,845

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    Interesting quiz! This is me ...

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Capture.JPG 
Views:	41 
Size:	43.8 KB 
ID:	977134
    WISDOM is the Knowledge you've gained ... After you could have used it! _Me

  50. #50
    JUB Addict T-Rexx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    4,625

    Code of Conduct

    Re: Can Somebody Explain To Me...

    ^ Almost everyone on this board shows up in the green square. As does Gandhi, the Dalai Lama, and Nelson Mandela.

    Interesting that not a single American politician or party represents us.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Terms of Service | Privacy Policy | About JustUsBoys.com | Site Map | RSS | Webmasters | Advertise | Link to JUB | Report A Bug on this Page

Visit our sister sites: Broke Straight Boys | CollegeDudes.com | CollegeBoyPhysicals.com | RocketTube
All models appearing on JustUsBoys.com were over 18 at the time of photography. The records for sexually explicit images required by U.S. 2257 are kept by the
individual producers of the images. The location of the records is available by clicking the Custodian of Records link at the bottom of each gallery page.
© 2012 JustUsBoys.com. The JustUsBoys.com name and logo are registered trademarks. Labeled with ICRA and RTA. Member of ASACP and The Free Speech Coalition.