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    Gay Teacher Fired From Catholic School Shortly After Marriage Ceremony

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    Re: Gay Teacher Fired From Catholic School Shortly After Marriage Ceremony

    The parish priest was afraid there might be competition.

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    Re: Gay Teacher Fired From Catholic School Shortly After Marriage Ceremony

    There is a reinstatement petition at Change.org.

    https://www.change.org/petitions/st-...o-his-job-back

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    There is a reinstatement petition at Change.org.

    https://www.change.org/petitions/st-...o-his-job-back
    I signed. Thanks for posting.

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    Signed... thanks for posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    There is a reinstatement petition at Change.org.

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    Thanks palbert. I love to sign petitions and this is a good one!
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    Re: Gay Teacher Fired From Catholic School Shortly After Marriage Ceremony

    Did the pope get this message?

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    Re: Gay Teacher Fired From Catholic School Shortly After Marriage Ceremony

    Not to make light of his firing but if you are gay and working in any religious organization, especially a catholic church, chances are if they find out you are gay, they will figure out how to get rid of you.
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    Re: Gay Teacher Fired From Catholic School Shortly After Marriage Ceremony

    I also read the church said his marriage violated its teaching. So does that mean they would fire any teachers not married and having sex or living as a couple with someone they are not married to? If they found out any students were having sex, would they expel them?
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    Re: Gay Teacher Fired From Catholic School Shortly After Marriage Ceremony

    Federal legislation prohibits employment discrimination based on race, religion, sex, nation of origin, age and any disability -- it does not ban discrimination based on gender identify or sexual orientation. Thus, in 33 states that currently don't have state bans, people can be fired, denied a promotion or harassed, merely for being LGB
    Federal law prohibits it but proving it is very expensive and happens daily, its hard enough to prove if you are employed and can get a lawyer. If you are trying to get a job and feel you were denied because of laws forget it. More then likely you will never know or be able to prove it. Adding LGBT hopefully will happen but the law more or less is like the Do not call list set up to block telemarketer's with no teeth or desire to follow through.

    The Catholic church has done this in the past. Remember the case not to long ago where a Parish fired a unwed female teacher who was pregnant? It was a clause in the employment and she was right that male employees could be doing whatever they want and not get caught but her pregnancy cost her a job. Its also a interesting point in the article about divorced employees.

    He must have given this some thought before following through with his heart realizing the consequences? Denial based on tenure or being to comfortable with his situation was a calculated risk, he lost I think.

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    Re: Gay Teacher Fired From Catholic School Shortly After Marriage Ceremony

    Sad to say but even IF workplace protections were past,highly unlikely they would apply to private businesses that get private funding.
    WHen other cases liek this have come up,they've often been left up the creek without a paddle.
    Sad to say but there is no way on earth he didn't know the risks.

    P.S. Kinda strnage he was a couple of years away from tenure don't ya think?

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    Re: Gay Teacher Fired From Catholic School Shortly After Marriage Ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by justdra View Post
    I also read the church said his marriage violated its teaching. So does that mean they would fire any teachers not married and having sex or living as a couple with someone they are not married to? If they found out any students were having sex, would they expel them?
    That's the real issue. They didn't fire him because he was gay; they've known that all along. Thy didn't even fire him because he engages in same-sex sex; they've known that, too.

    But when he made a public commitment under the law, that was too much.

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    I just signed this, this is not right!

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    Re: Gay Teacher Fired From Catholic School Shortly After Marriage Ceremony

    It's not right but I really don't see any recourse for him as it's a private school funded by private donors.

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    Re: Gay Teacher Fired From Catholic School Shortly After Marriage Ceremony

    ^ I agree with Ninja here. What did he expect making his marriage so public? We've seen Catholic schools do this before with other gays and women. It's like DADT. You can have your open secret and put in years of teaching to those private schools, but the moment you make anything public, you're gone.
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    Re: Gay Teacher Fired From Catholic School Shortly After Marriage Ceremony

    Indeed Just,I don't like it but this isn't like the bakery that's being sued in Oregon. This is a private school that gets private funds which means it can and hire anyone they please.

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    Re: Gay Teacher Fired From Catholic School Shortly After Marriage Ceremony

    At one time, you could probably have been fired for inter-racial marriage depending on the private school.

    This is why federal laws are necessary for protecting workers.

    And human dignity.

    The poor reactionary Catholics. They are living in a different world now.

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    Yeah, although I feel no sympathy for them whatsoever, it must be horrifying to see your universe collapsing all around you.
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    Re: Gay Teacher Fired From Catholic School Shortly After Marriage Ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by justdra View Post
    Not to make light of his firing but if you are gay and working in any religious organization, especially a catholic church, chances are if they find out you are gay, they will figure out how to get rid of you.
    I think it really varies from community to community. I went to Catholic schools for my entire pre-collegiate life, and I can think of at least 3 teachers in my high school who were known to be gay. 2 were a lesbian couple who lived together and had been teaching there for decades.

    Quote Originally Posted by vulgar_newcomer View Post
    Federal law prohibits it but proving it is very expensive and happens daily, its hard enough to prove if you are employed and can get a lawyer.
    unfortunately, it's more or less settled law that religious organizations are exempt from the hiring discrimination part of the Civil Rights Act as long as they can justify their discrimination on a religious basis (and the Catholic Church is very well known for being very, very, very anti-gay marriage even if they kinda sorta accept gay people as individuals)

    http://www.hrexaminer.com/why-church...can%E2%80%99t/

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    Quote Originally Posted by justdra View Post
    I also read the church said his marriage violated its teaching. So does that mean they would fire any teachers not married and having sex or living as a couple with someone they are not married to? If they found out any students were having sex, would they expel them?
    ...i'm sure this will be an unpopular opinion BUT i think any business (including private church school) that make clear what their feelings about certain things has a perfect right to fire anyone who violates thoses principles...there is NO WAY he can say that he DIDN'T know the feelings of the church before he came out...by the same token i believe they should be able to fire a teacher for adultry too...when you take a job like that you go in knowing how they feel...

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    Re: Gay Teacher Fired From Catholic School Shortly After Marriage Ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by darden View Post
    I think it really varies from community to community. I went to Catholic schools for my entire pre-collegiate life, and I can think of at least 3 teachers in my high school who were known to be gay. 2 were a lesbian couple who lived together and had been teaching there for decades.



    unfortunately, it's more or less settled law that religious organizations are exempt from the hiring discrimination part of the Civil Rights Act as long as they can justify their discrimination on a religious basis (and the Catholic Church is very well known for being very, very, very anti-gay marriage even if they kinda sorta accept gay people as individuals)

    http://www.hrexaminer.com/why-church...can%E2%80%99t/
    ...actually they aren't anti-gay...they're anti=practicing gay...the teachers that didn't get fired probably keep a low profile and didn't make a big deal about a public marriage...as per the 2 lesbians...you probably only ASSUME that they were gay...BUT do you really know...

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    Re: Gay Teacher Fired From Catholic School Shortly After Marriage Ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by justdra View Post
    I also read the church said his marriage violated its teaching. So does that mean they would fire any teachers not married and having sex or living as a couple with someone they are not married to? If they found out any students were having sex, would they expel them?
    ...i'm sure that they could fire any teacher that openly violated their teachings...living in sin...adultry...fornication...or whatever...students pay to go there so i have a feeling they come under a different set of rules...i don't know about catholic schools...but in texas a student can be expelled for under age drinking even if its not done on school property or during a school event...

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    Quote Originally Posted by charles-smythe View Post
    ...i'm sure this will be an unpopular opinion BUT i think any business (including private church school) that make clear what their feelings about certain things has a perfect right to fire anyone who violates thoses principles...there is NO WAY he can say that he DIDN'T know the feelings of the church before he came out...by the same token i believe they should be able to fire a teacher for adultry too...when you take a job like that you go in knowing how they feel...
    How they 'feel' doesn't enter into it. If people are obeying the law of the land...then 'feelings' are irrelevant. Preventing anyone from pursuing a legal right is a denial of civil liberties.

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    Re: Gay Teacher Fired From Catholic School Shortly After Marriage Ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    (From the linked article)

    While sexual orientation in the workplace is not federally protected, California's Fair Employment and Housing Act prohibits discrimination in employment because of sexual orientation. FEHA does have an exemption for religious institutions, but McGarrigle thinks it does not apply because of the administration's knowledge of Bencomo's sexual orientation and partner for years, and his long-term employment and continued promotion at the school.
    This case presents an interesting challenge in light of the outcome of Hollingsworth v. Perry. The teacher’s lawyer thinks it involves a circumstance that has never before been litigated. St. Lucy's Priory High School is a Non-Profit 501(c)(3), which in California is known as a “nonprofit public benefit corporation.”

    California Fair Employment and Housing Act - FEHA - Government Code (Find US Law)

    12940. It is an unlawful employment practice, unless based upon a bona fide occupational qualification, or, except where based upon applicable security regulations established by the United States or the State of California:

    (a) For an employer, because of the race, religious creed, color, national origin, ancestry, physical disability, mental disability, medical condition, genetic information, marital status, sex, gender, gender identity, gender expression, age, or sexual orientation of any person, to refuse to hire or employ the person or to refuse to select the person for a training program leading to employment, or to bar or to discharge the person from employment or from a training program leading to employment, or to discriminate against the person in compensation or in terms, conditions, or privileges of employment.

    (4) (A) For purposes of this subdivision only, "employer" means any person regularly employing one or more persons or regularly receiving the services of one or more persons providing services pursuant to a contract …

    (B) Notwithstanding subparagraph (A), for purposes of this subdivision, "employer" does not include a religious association or corporation not organized for private profit, except as provided in Section 12926.2.


    12926.2.

    (f) (1) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a nonprofit public benefit corporation formed by, or affiliated with, a particular religion and that operates an educational institution as its sole or primary activity, may restrict employment, including promotion, in any or all employment categories to individuals of a particular religion.

    (2) Notwithstanding paragraph (1) or any other provision of law, employers that are nonprofit public benefit corporations specified in paragraph (1) shall be subject to the provisions of this part in all other respects, including, but not limited to, the prohibitions against discrimination made unlawful employment practices by this part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charles-smythe View Post
    ...actually they aren't anti-gay...they're anti=practicing gay...the teachers that didn't get fired probably keep a low profile and didn't make a big deal about a public marriage...as per the 2 lesbians...you probably only ASSUME that they were gay...BUT do you really know...
    That's code for "stay in the closet and we'll turn a blind eye". And while it's their prerogative to do it, I can't begin to grasp what goes in the head of someone who accepts those terms...
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