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    To what extent is Christianity based upon credentials?

    Reading an unrelated thread in a different sub-forum, I was inclined to post a statement suggesting that credentials have no place in Christianity. But then, I thought about it a little more and reasoned that perhaps such a blanket statement is incorrect. Certainly, Christianity includes the concept that Jesus of Nazareth became the Christ (Messiah) and perhaps that represents a credential. Similarly, the concept that Jesus Christ is the Son of God could certainly be considered a credential – at least in terms of establishing his relation to the Christian religion.

    Though my interest in this basic question is not limited to any specific context, it primarily ponders the question with regard to the followers, or adherents, to the Christian religion. In other words, to what extent do credentials play a role in their own day-to-day lives as they interact with other people and go about being Christians?

    Is Christianity primarily a way of life, or is it dependent upon establishing and/or perhaps respecting certain credentials?

    If credentials do play a role, is their appreciation and acceptance essential or do they function more as a framework to help followers contemplate interrelationships in the world?

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    Re: To what extent is Christianity based upon credentials?

    Although people may only have the credentials to render asinine or irrelevant services, we usually don't care.

    Instead, credentials become relevant when establishing the expertise or validity of somebody's thoughts/abilities.

    That is, when a question of expertise or validity arises, it's typical to examine the credentials which claim to legitimize that expertise or validity.

    Why wouldn't christians examine the expertise of people?

    Why wouldn't christians examine the validity of someone's thoughts/abilities?
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    Re: To what extent is Christianity based upon credentials?

    Credentials matter greatly to me in my understanding of Christianity.

    In my assessment, it is based on fake ID, and that cheapens its contribution.

    To say that Christianity gives us the very human observations compiled by ordinary and extrodinary people, from which we can understand some profound and insightful things about the nature of humanity, is to present Christianity with honest credentials worthy of esteem.

    To say that Christianity is a record of divinity or that it grants supernatural imprimatur to a certain way of behaving, is an affront to consciousness.

    When Christianity proclaims itself honestly to be a record of human ideas, it may yet have something to contribute to civilization. When it insists that it knows of a transcendent beyond, which it does not know, it proclaims only its own charlatanry.

    Thus it is the author of its own credentials.
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    Re: To what extent is Christianity based upon credentials?

    Christianity depends on viewing credentials honestly. Some will deny that there is anything beyond the material/scientific creation, and therefore any claim to credentials is delusional, but the whole of Christianity is about credentials: God presenting His credentials to humankind by becoming one of us.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: To what extent is Christianity based upon credentials?

    Since when does faith in God require credentials to validate ones own personal experiences that validate the Christian message?

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    Re: To what extent is Christianity based upon credentials?

    Well, there are Anglicans and Catholics (and probably others, I just haven't seen an example) who maintain that good works alone may get you into heaven. Several interviews of several different authorities/theologians in both churches (well, more Anglicans than Catholics) contend that it's possible under their teaching for an atheist to get into heaven.

    So it certainly depends on the perspective which credentials are necessary.

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    Re: To what extent is Christianity based upon credentials?

    Quote Originally Posted by mightbe View Post
    Well, there are Anglicans and Catholics (and probably others, I just haven't seen an example) who maintain that good works alone may get you into heaven. Several interviews of several different authorities/theologians in both churches (well, more Anglicans than Catholics) contend that it's possible under their teaching for an atheist to get into heaven.

    So it certainly depends on the perspective which credentials are necessary.
    We're talking about Christians. Anyone who maintains that good works alone can get you into heaven is no Christian.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: To what extent is Christianity based upon credentials?

    You can tell that to the previous Archbishop of Canterbury personally. (IIRC, he's one said he thought it was possible, if unlikely.)

    It largely depends on if the Christian perspective is 'correct' (just considering it for the sake of argument). Maybe there is a 'god'. He probably wouldn't interested in attendance, and would place higher emphasis on do-gooders. So maybe 'God' would take the good atheists, and leave the bad Christians. Who knows? No one. You seen him? Neither have I.

    If there were a supreme being, I would hope he's the forgiving sort for all our sakes.

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    Re: To what extent is Christianity based upon credentials?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    We're talking about Christians. Anyone who maintains that good works alone can get you into heaven is no Christian.
    Precisely...without faith there can be no relationship with God....however....the fruits of that relationship are always visible in the life of the person who sacrifices for the needs of others in greater need.

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    Re: To what extent is Christianity based upon credentials?

    If I engage a Christian person in conversation and that individual informs me that he is “saved;” does his proclamation constitute a credential?

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    Re: To what extent is Christianity based upon credentials?

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    If I engage a Christian person in conversation and that individual informs me that he is “saved;” does his proclamation constitute a credential?
    Only as much as a proclamation that someone is a student in a physics class constitute a credential as a scientist.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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