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    Re: Putin: Gays Are Welcome at Olympics as Long as They "Leave Kids Alone"

    Quote Originally Posted by Callum View Post
    Never mind the natives, Canada had/has one of the most damaging and blatantly racist immigration policies in contrast to pretty much every other western nation. But, I guess we can make a second thread about it.
    wow you you actually think that.

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    Re: Putin: Gays Are Welcome at Olympics as Long as They "Leave Kids Alone"

    see why bush hit it off with pudi-put----------they were both morons!

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    Re: Putin: Gays Are Welcome at Olympics as Long as They "Leave Kids Alone"

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    These aren't much the words of someone embracing "all inclusiveness" for everyone. Kinda sounds like a Canadian version of Putin, actually.
    And you treated your native people better?
    Inspired - but too tired.

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    Re: Putin: Gays Are Welcome at Olympics as Long as They "Leave Kids Alone"

    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    And you treated your native people better?
    I'm not the one making smug statements about how equal my society is. Canada extends full rights to gay white males? That's cool. That hardly makes it the paragon of perfect equality.

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    Re: Putin: Gays Are Welcome at Olympics as Long as They "Leave Kids Alone"

    Quote Originally Posted by Callum View Post
    Never mind the natives, Canada had/has one of the most damaging and blatantly racist immigration policies in contrast to pretty much every other western nation. But, I guess we can make a second thread about it.
    Yes please. I'd like to see where how that thread develops.
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    Re: Putin: Gays Are Welcome at Olympics as Long as They "Leave Kids Alone"

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Does he also welcome black athletes as long as they don't take anything that doesn't belong to them?
    They have to be well-behaved.

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    Re: Should Gay Athletes Boycott The Olympics In Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    I think that all athletes should boycott the Olympics and the companies that sponsor them.

    But that ain't gonna happen.
    Right.

    Anything other than an outright ban doesn't make any sense to me.

    Go and do your thing.

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    easy stops a alls world sport untils folk figa wot a do ther a thumbs

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    It would be more effective to have gay travelers (and others who agree) boycott travel to Russia in general, after the Olympics. Asking the athletes to stay away from the games would only be symbolic. Boycotting travel in general, and on an ongoing basis, would hit them in the bottom line and be more effective.

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    Re: Putin: Gays Are Welcome at Olympics as Long as They "Leave Kids Alone"

    I absolutely hate it when bigots like Vladimir Putin draw parallels between homosexuality and pedophilia; they are completely unrelated and have no overlap, so please stop trying to associate the two in the minds of the ignorant.

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    Lord I can't stand that fucker. "As long as they don't touch the kids" Seriously? That's Pedophiles you idiot. I won't be watching and I hope many athletes both straight and gay don't go.
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    Re: Putin: Gays Are Welcome at Olympics as Long as They "Leave Kids Alone"

    Today, Putin said in a TV interview that Russia must "cleanse itself of homosexuality."


    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/putin-ru...homosexuality/

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    Re: Putin: Gays Are Welcome at Olympics as Long as They "Leave Kids Alone"

    I just don't get people. What is this FASCINATION (yes, it's like a fascination) a lot of bigots have with relating homosexuality to pedophilia? good fuck... I just don't know sometimes.

    Ain't nobody worried about touching your fucking KIDS. damn. I get so fucking sick of this 'please think of the children' crap that so many bigots like to use as their "go to phrase".

    Fuck your children! Hell, I don't even like kids. Can't stand being near them.

    Putin's disgusting.
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    Re: Putin: Gays Are Welcome at Olympics as Long as They "Leave Kids Alone"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gentleheart View Post
    I just don't get people. What is this FASCINATION (yes, it's like a fascination) a lot of bigots have with relating homosexuality to pedophilia? good fuck... I just don't know sometimes.



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    nothing new here when I was a boy of 17 and a boy was murdered in my city. The local tabloid kept calling it a gay pedophile murder.

    how did that not leave me traumatized.

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    Re: Putin: Gays Are Welcome at Olympics as Long as They "Leave Kids Alone"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gentleheart View Post
    I just don't get people. What is this FASCINATION (yes, it's like a fascination) a lot of bigots have with relating homosexuality to pedophilia? good fuck... I just don't know sometimes.

    .
    They get it from the Pope. The Catholic Church STILL doesn't know the difference between rape and molestation..and sex. Sex requires two consenting adults...anything less than that is not sex.

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    Re: Putin: Gays Are Welcome at Olympics as Long as They "Leave Kids Alone"

    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    They get it from the Pope. The Catholic Church STILL doesn't know the difference between rape and molestation..and sex. Sex requires two consenting adults...anything less than that is not sex.
    To wit, if Putin really believed half the crap he spewed, he'd have the good sense to take a good look in his own back yard.

    The National Russian Orthodox Church is spearheading this push for "traditional values of the motherland," but the whispers of pedaphillic paters, bishops, monks, etc. is an open secret throughout Christendom.

    If anything, he's merely doing whatever he can to appease his ultra-conservative supporters and potential voters.
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    Re: Putin: Gays Are Welcome at Olympics as Long as They "Leave Kids Alone"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gentleheart View Post
    I just don't get people. What is this FASCINATION (yes, it's like a fascination) a lot of bigots have with relating homosexuality to pedophilia? good fuck... I just don't know sometimes.

    Ain't nobody worried about touching your fucking KIDS. damn. I get so fucking sick of this 'please think of the children' crap that so many bigots like to use as their "go to phrase".

    Fuck your children! Hell, I don't even like kids. Can't stand being near them.

    Putin's disgusting.
    It's because people generally regard gay sex as "worse/more immoral/dirtier" than straight sex, and as an extension of that, they tend to treat same-sex molestation cases as somehow "worse/more damaging" than opposite-sex child molestation. Even though the latter is fantastically more common.

    Almost no one will flat out say that, but it's so obvious in how much more viscerally people react, and how much more notoriety tends to surround, public cases of same-sex molestation. The sense of shame or damage done is blatantly treated as somehow much worse than if a girl is molested by her uncle or grandfather or close adult male family friend--- the much, much more typical everyday scenario that happens all over the world.

    People almost seem to treat heterosexual date rape/rape or opposite-gender molestation as a case of human nature gone a little off-track. Whereas they treat gay rape or same-sex molestation as unnatural in the fullest extent and thus more damaging somehow.

    Or at least that's always been my observation of how our society reacts differently.

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    Re: Putin: Gays Are Welcome at Olympics as Long as They "Leave Kids Alone"

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post

    People almost seem to treat heterosexual date rape/rape or opposite-gender molestation as a case of human nature gone a little off-track. Whereas they treat gay rape or same-sex molestation as unnatural in the fullest extent and thus more damaging somehow.

    Or at least that's always been my observation of how our society reacts differently.
    Except when a man gets raped it is even worse than it is for women because they "know" if you are gay you MUST have wanted it. They only "suspect" the same for women until they prove they didn't want it.

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    Re: Putin: Gays Are Welcome at Olympics as Long as They "Leave Kids Alone"

    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    Except when a man gets raped it is even worse than it is for women because they "know" if you are gay you MUST have wanted it. They only "suspect" the same for women until they prove they didn't want it.
    Yup goes back to the very oldest notions of how women are the passive gender when it comes to sex and partnering, and men are the choosers and the active agents.

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    Re: Putin: Gays Are Welcome at Olympics as Long as They "Leave Kids Alone"

    Quote Originally Posted by skinIsIn View Post
    If anything, he's merely doing whatever he can to appease his ultra-conservative supporters and potential voters.
    Yes.

    Putin is doing exactly what George W. Bush did, when he was president. I strongly suspect that that is where Putin got the idea to target gays as his scapegoat.

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    Hopefully it ends for Putin like it ended for Bush then.

    Goes without saying we don't want Russia's children

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    Re: Putin: Gays Are Welcome at Olympics as Long as They "Leave Kids Alone"

    Quote Originally Posted by goldenmoth View Post
    Hopefully it ends for Putin like it ended for Bush then.
    Well, it ended extremely well for Bush.

    He won re-election and got anti-gay hate laws passed in the majority of US states. He taught America that intolerance of innocent minorities is acceptable and even moral, patriotic behavior. He generated political enthusiasm by stirring up hatred against Americans.

    I am sure all this is not lost on Putin.

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    We can watch Dr Lawrence Britt's tenets of facism as they unfold....for those who missed it with Bush....

    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

    Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance with the magazine's policy.

    The 14 characteristics are:
    1.Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
    Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.


    2.Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
    Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.


    3.Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
    The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.


    4.Supremacy of the Military
    Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.


    5.Rampant Sexism
    The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.


    6.Controlled Mass Media
    Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.


    7.Obsession with National Security
    Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.


    8.Religion and Government are Intertwined
    Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.


    9.Corporate Power is Protected
    The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.


    10.Labor Power is Suppressed
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .


    11.Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.


    12.Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.


    13.Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.


    14.Fraudulent Elections
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

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    Re: Putin: Gays Are Welcome at Olympics as Long as They "Leave Kids Alone"

    Quote Originally Posted by goldenmoth View Post
    Hopefully it ends for Putin like it ended for Bush then.

    Goes without saying we don't want Russia's children
    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Well, it ended extremely well for Bush.

    He won re-election and got anti-gay hate laws passed in the majority of US states. He taught America that intolerance of innocent minorities is acceptable and even moral, patriotic behavior. He generated political enthusiasm by stirring up hatred against Americans.

    I am sure all this is not lost on Putin.
    Two big differences:

    We have (mostly) free elections,

    and more importantly:

    We have Term Limits!!

    Shame we don't have 'em both in the Senate and House

    However, if we are going to have career politicians in the legistrative branch can't we modify Congress to be more parliamentarian (e.g. flexible, nimble, efficient, etc?) Multiple Parties, Coalition Governments, Votes of No Confidence?

    What's wrong with incorporating the best of historic, bi-partisan sessions of Congress and the most efficient "Westminster" practices found throughout British Commonwealth Parliaments?
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    Can't we all just get along ?

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    Re: Putin: Gays Are Welcome at Olympics as Long as They "Leave Kids Alone"

    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    We can watch Dr Lawrence Britt's tenets of facism as they unfold....for those who missed it with Bush....

    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

    Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance with the magazine's policy.

    The 14 characteristics are:

    1.Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

    2.Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

    3.Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

    4.Supremacy of the Military

    5.Rampant Sexism

    6.Controlled Mass Media

    7.Obsession with National Security

    8.Religion and Government are Intertwined

    9.Corporate Power is Protected

    10.Labor Power is Suppressed

    11.Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

    12.Obsession with Crime and Punishment

    13.Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

    14.Fraudulent Elections
    Thanks for bringing that utterly fascinating and informative political analysis to light, eastofeden.

    These 14 Tenets of Fascism fit General Putin the modern Russian Federation to a "T."

    Fascism unfortunately is more efficient than Russian Sovietism in implementation, as all you need is a rich, power-hungry, oligarchic, elite who desire to control both the resources and the masses.

    Another reason not-quite Authoritarian Fascism is successful is because it's too similar to a Liberatarian's idea of "true Capitalism."

    As long as the veneer of personal freedom is maintained, these post-Communist fascist states will be allowed to fester.

    It also must be noted the UN is now absolutely toothless, a modern League of Nations (ugh.)

    The World powers have bigger "fish to fry!"

    They are still waiting for a Chinese or Cuban Spring. (Don't hold your breath!)

    Plus, quite rightly, we are watching for the next rise in Islamist Terrorism.
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    Re: Putin: Gays Are Welcome at Olympics as Long as They "Leave Kids Alone"

    I heard in a news report that Putin said it was necessary to cleanse Russia of homosexuals in order to increase population.

    I don't know whether to laugh or to scratch my head in wonder.

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