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    RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    http://www.joemygod.blogspot.com/201...#disqus_thread

    I couldn't find another link, and the source (http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/russia/...ics_gays.shtml) is in Russian, so I am leaving the JoeMyGod post, where one of his readers translated the statement by Vitaly Milonov - one of the sponsors of the abominable Russian law on "gay propaganda". Basically, it boils down to "the law is the law and we can't suspend it". Frankly? This makes me a little bit happy, because now the Olympic people, the athletes and the countries they come from will have no choice but to take action. Or so I hope. You never know how far up Europe's collective ass Russia's gas-fist actually goes...
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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    From Russia Beyond the Headlines quotes Vitaly Milonov as follows:

    "I haven't heard the government's commentaries, but I know that the government acts in compliance with Russian laws. If a law has been passed by parliament and signed by the president, the government has no right or powers to reverse it," Milonov told Interfax on Sunday on reports that the federal law banning homosexual propaganda will not be applied to foreign participants in the Sochi Olympics.
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    RBTH is an outlet of the Russian newspaper of record.

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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Russia is not exactly a bastion for civil rights, but sometimes it really does help when outsiders let those who advocate persecution know that they are wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    … "the law is the law and we can't suspend it". Frankly? This makes me a little bit happy, because now the Olympic people, the athletes and the countries they come from will have no choice but to take action. Or so I hope.



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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Good, I hope they start arresting people in front of the world's cameras.
    If you can't be part of the solution, there is plenty of money to be made being a part of the problem.

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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    opinterph, I am not sure what you meant with the first link. This thread addresses a statement made AFTER said "assurances", which we still don't know the origin of.
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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    opinterph, I am not sure what you meant with the first link. This thread addresses a statement made AFTER said "assurances", which we still don't know the origin of.
    I imagine that both concepts are intentionally being floated in the news. Different sources, unnamed sources, conflicting statements. IMO, the issue of the Russian anti-gay law, relative to participants and visitors at the Sochi Olympics, remains unresolved at this point in time.

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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Yes, definitely. I am just pointing out that the issue is definitely unresolved, which is unacceptable for such a huge event.
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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    I'd like to see a NEARLY-worldwide decision by the athletes, to wear rainbows on their clothing. I say nearly, because that dog don't hunt in much of the Middle East and Africa, nor do I think I'd see the Russian athletes wearing the pins or patches either.
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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    One thing for sure,we have to keep this on the radar,this is no different then what the nazis did to the jews.

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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    I'd like to see a NEARLY-worldwide decision by the athletes, to wear rainbows on their clothing. I say nearly, because that dog don't hunt in much of the Middle East and Africa, nor do I think I'd see the Russian athletes wearing the pins or patches either.
    I like this idea. Rainbow armbands would be superb!

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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Maybe every country that has Gays and Lesbians should simply boycott the games. It wouldn't be the first time the Olympics were boycotted.

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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by cm98059 View Post
    Maybe every country that has Gays and Lesbians should simply boycott the games. It wouldn't be the first time the Olympics were boycotted.
    That's why I suggested someone host an alternative Games -- one for civilized people.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    You all do realize don't you that the professional "amateur" Athletic Games marketing industry that relies on the biannual homage to sliding on ice and snow would attend Hitler's Olympic Games if they were held today and no one knew what the consequences ultimately would be. The age of corporate sponsors for one minute entertaining a boycott of any kind is beyond ridiculous in this day and age. Particularly for homo cock-suckers and rug munchers, who are apparently still thought of as only 3/5ths human in many American states and are hardly going to have the majority of couch athletes take up the cause.

    Face it. The Russian Orthodox Church has made a pact with the devil here.

    But I fully intend to enjoy our time in St. Petersburg and can only hope that the entire nation won't be greeting us with torches and pitchforks.

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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Give all of our athletes diplomatic credentials.

    Of course that would be of no help to a Russian participant in a liaison dangereuse.

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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

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    Give all of our athletes diplomatic credentials.
    Brilliant.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    One thing for sure,we have to keep this on the radar,this is no different then what the nazis did to the jews.
    I still think this comparison is a little excessive but I have just read the following.Last month, a Russian MP, Alexander Mikhailov, a deputy in the regional Trans-Baikal parliament, announced plans to introduce a law to have LGBT people seized by soldiers and publicly flogged in town squares.
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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    No, it's really not. And being able to make the comparison where it's apt, instead of shying away from it for propriety's sake, would prevent history from repeating itself.
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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    No, it's really not. And being able to make the comparison where it's apt, instead of shying away from it for propriety's sake, would prevent history from repeating itself.
    I don't intend to de-rail this thread with arguing on this as the subject is too important.

    Please refer to the "Private Message" I have just sent you.
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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    I think expecting the Olympics to be cancelled in support of gay rights is very much a fantasy. Also I am not certain that I agree with the most important sporting event to be used as a political lever.

    From the articles that I have read it seems that these two laws have, basically, made being gay in Russia a criminal offence.

    I am now searching on Internet to see if the French and English Foreign Offices are giving any advice to gays travelling to Russia.

    I do know that my tour operator had absolutely no idea what was going on in Russia and had prepared nothing in response to questions on gays travelling to Russia.
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    Well, I think the idea of athletes wearing rainbow T-shirts or something like that is a great one. The boycott is not so a great idea, I suppose.

    Besides, why to pay so attention to the rights of minority , without paying any attention to the rights of majority?

    I mean there are lots of ecological problems, lots of problems of people, who lost their cottages, because of that Olympics.

    Western sport organisations should have put more attention to these facts.

    If you want to boycott Olympics, you should boycott it not ONLY because of anti-gay actions, but because of ecological problems (with forests), the problems of people, who lost their property.

    You should investigate ALL this problems and after that make a decision: to boycott it or not.

    Or this boycott would be silly from Russians' point of view. They will see that Westertn people do not care about their property, about Russian forests, etc, only about gays. Russian nationalists will not be shy to use it in their anti-Western propaganda.

    So, if you want to help us (I mean if Western people want to help Russian gays), you should understand that.

    Anyway, I think the boycott is a very dangerous thing. It will be used by our government to make anti-Western hysteria.

    So I don't believe that it will help us. I beg you to be more accurate if you really want to HELP us, not just demonstrate that you have more rights that we have. It's the main question: you want to help us or you want to demostrate the superiority of Western gays to non-Western gays?

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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Russia has been a 'problem' for a while and they shouldn't be hosting the Olympics.
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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Again, you want to help us or you want to demostrate the superiority of Western gays to non-Western gays?

    You boycott the games, Russian nationalists will use it to make anti-gay and anti-Western hysteria. The life of Russian gays will be more hard after that,

    Are you - Western gays - our friends? Or you just want to demonstrate us your superiority treating themsleves us "white" people and us as "black" people?

    And if "Russia is a problem" it is mostly a problem for itself. Russia is a third-word, corrupted country.

    To say that EU is dependes on Russia is total bullsh***. It's Russia that depends on Europe.
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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by Russian Bottom Slut View Post
    Again, you want to help us or you want to demostrate the superiority of Western gays to non-Western gays?
    With this I am in complete agreement.

    I have always seen the Olympics as a means of opening up a country to democratic influences not as a means of political reprisals.

    In my opinion a boycott is the wrong approach and often demanded by people with no thought about the consequences.

    I would hope that the participating athletes would agree to some sort of support, passive or active; but for that to happen there would need to be a tremendous effort/organisation by gay groups.

    Unfortunately we cannot rely on our governments to do anything as you only have to think of all the countries where homosexuality is a criminal offence and ask yourself if your government has applied any sanctions to change this.
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    Thank you very much for your answer. I really think that the only way to make Russian more Western-oriented is a way of dialogue, not a way of boycott.

    I hope that someday the Visum regime between Russia and Europe become more liberal. More Russians should see Europe to understand Eropean way of living. In fact the majority of Russians have never been to Europe.

    The other problem is that the middle-class is still very narrow here. For losts of people the fall of Soviet system was very traumatical. The difference between Russian miilioners, who as Abramavich spend lots of money in London and ordinary people are very large. And that's in the country that for 70 years had communistic ideology, based on equality (even if this ideology was a lie).

    People felt themsleves robbed by 1990s transaction from communism to ultra-liberal capitalism.

    So, Russian nationalists use all this as a part of anti-Western propaganda.

    Still, the good thing is that Russians became more critical to their govermnment. Recent law that prevent the USA citizens to adopt Russian children were critisized for many Russians as a silly one.

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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Dialogue as opposed to visceral Cold War rhetoric is the best way of engaging with Russia on LGBT issues.

    Opendemocracy currently has a wonderful series on Queer Russia which paints a rounded and complex picture.

    http://www.opendemocracy.net/od-russ...s/queer-russia

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    Thanks fo the link.

    BTW, deputy Milonov is just a time-server, a trimmer. Or something even worser. In 1990 he was a secretary of one liberal (ex-dissenter) politician. It those days he share "liberal" political views.

    After she (I mean that ex-dissenter politician) were killed, Milonov changed his views and became clerical and anti-liberal.

    So, he was "liberal" when it was "in fashion" (in 1990s) and became "patriotical" when the political climate had changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpnice View Post
    I still think this comparison is a little excessive but I have just read the following.Last month, a Russian MP, Alexander Mikhailov, a deputy in the regional Trans-Baikal parliament, announced plans to introduce a law to have LGBT people seized by soldiers and publicly flogged in town squares.
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    Now I wonder where Texas' GOP went to school. Maybe we can send them back to Russia.
    These things that homophobes come up with are just astounding.
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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Can state sponsored pogroms against Jews be far behind?

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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by Russian Bottom Slut View Post
    Well, I think the idea of athletes wearing rainbow T-shirts or something like that is a great one. The boycott is not so a great idea, I suppose.

    Besides, why to pay so attention to the rights of minority , without paying any attention to the rights of majority?

    I mean there are lots of ecological problems, lots of problems of people, who lost their cottages, because of that Olympics.

    Western sport organisations should have put more attention to these facts.

    If you want to boycott Olympics, you should boycott it not ONLY because of anti-gay actions, but because of ecological problems (with forests), the problems of people, who lost their property.

    You should investigate ALL this problems and after that make a decision: to boycott it or not.

    Or this boycott would be silly from Russians' point of view. They will see that Westertn people do not care about their property, about Russian forests, etc, only about gays. Russian nationalists will not be shy to use it in their anti-Western propaganda.

    So, if you want to help us (I mean if Western people want to help Russian gays), you should understand that.

    Anyway, I think the boycott is a very dangerous thing. It will be used by our government to make anti-Western hysteria.

    So I don't believe that it will help us. I beg you to be more accurate if you really want to HELP us, not just demonstrate that you have more rights that we have. It's the main question: you want to help us or you want to demostrate the superiority of Western gays to non-Western gays?
    This makes a lot of sense to me. We should stand by our Russian Gay friends and oppose a boycott.
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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    So, the GENERAL situation in Russia is very bad now.
    The problems of LGBT is only a part of this.
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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    I once read that the Russian psyche demands a strict, ruthless Czar/Tsar. I'm beginning to believe it.

    I'm convinced a boycott would be bad -- the rainbow armbands would be best, along with giving Olympic athletes diplomatic status.

    Thinking of ruthless, I like the idea of cutting off the hands of corrupt officials!

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    Wow, they continue to try to ensure the safety of JUST the Olympic players and guests...
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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by Russian Bottom Slut View Post
    So, the GENERAL situation in Russia is very bad now.
    The problems of LGBT is only a part of this.
    When the general economic situation in the USA became bad during the George W. Bush administration, Bush, also, tried to distract attention from the problems he had created by attacking gay people.


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    It's sad that something like the Olympics, that's supposed to bring people from different backgrounds together, has turned into this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sultan View Post
    It's sad that something like the Olympics, that's supposed to bring people from different backgrounds together, has turned into this.
    What's sad is that a country today is still acting like it's the eighteenth century.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I once read that the Russian psyche demands a strict, ruthless Czar/Tsar. I'm beginning to believe it.

    I'm convinced a boycott would be bad -- the rainbow armbands would be best, along with giving Olympic athletes diplomatic status.
    Perhaps give diplomatic status to ANY Americans visiting Russia during the Olympics as well...and if Russia starts arresting people for showing any positive feelings about "The Gay," it will be considered to be an act of war.

    However, that would reliably work only in a perfect world, which Earth 2013.3 most definitely is not.

    Furthermore, no such law would ever pass through Congress, with one political Party cheering the Russian autocrats on through this whole thing, and if Obama issued an Executive Order of some kind, it would convince the same Republicans that he is, indeed, Satan.

    Uh...wait - they already consider him Satan.
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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Another hit for the "assurances":

    MOSCOW, August 1 (R-Sport) - Russian Sports Minister Vitaly Mutko warned Thursday that athletes and visitors to the Sochi Olympics will be subject to the country's laws against promoting homosexuality, contradicting a statement from the International Olympic Committee that the government had promised they would be exempt.

    The IOC told R-Sport Friday it "has received assurances from the highest level of government in Russia that the legislation will not affect those attending or taking part in the Games," which start February 7.

    But in the first reaction from the government since the IOC made that claim, Mutko appeared to set the record straight.

    "No one is forbidding an athlete with non-traditional sexual orientation from coming to Sochi, but if he goes onto the street and starts propagandizing it, then of course he will be held accountable," Mutko told R-Sport.
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    And of course, as usual, Canadians are far ahead on social justice...
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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    I heard today (eavesdropping on a neighbor's overly loud radio) that some Russian legislator claimed that under the IOC agreement the Russian government can't enforce any such laws against Olympic athletes or their support people, so there's nothing to worry about.

    So...

    is the Russian government suffering from multiple personality disorder?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I once read that the Russian psyche demands a strict, ruthless Czar/Tsar. I'm beginning to believe it.
    I beg you NOT to make such generalisations. It's based on a notion that there is a monolite "nation".

    Difference between middle-class Russians with high-education, who are living in Moscow and Russians in small towns are very large.

    And lots of Russian were really de-classed during the criminal transaction between Soviet regime and "democracy".

    So, lots of Russians associate "democracy" not with law and order, but with the criminal and anarchic times of Boris Yelstin.

    And you can't change the minds of people in a day. Just remember Iran before 1979. The Iranian elite was westernized, the plain people hated the elite.


    So, I thinks the notion that there is a monolite nation is a silly one.

    There are NOT ONE but TWO Russian nations: one westernized, and one totally declassed, that had nothing good on their lives after the crash of the USSR.
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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Well, Russia seems to be perfectly happy to accept the totalitarian regime of Putin rather than actually fight for democracy -- that's not encouraging.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    He does write convincingly doesn't he.

    But I think we are deluding ourselves if we even have a spark of hope that they will cancel the Olympics just because a few "fairies" are being beaten up in Russia. I say that with tongue in cheek but I am certain that in some circles it is being said with real conviction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpnice View Post
    He does write convincingly doesn't he.

    But I think we are deluding ourselves if we even have a spark of hope that they will cancel the Olympics just because a few "fairies" are being beaten up in Russia. I say that with tongue in cheek but I am certain that in some circles it is being said with real conviction.
    Regretfully, your observation is realistic....

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    I would listen to Russian Bottom Slut for what to do because he lives there.
    First hand experience is always better than 2nd or 3rd hand experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    I would listen to Russian Bottom Slut for what to do because he lives there.
    First hand experience is always better than 2nd or 3rd hand experience.
    Same here.

    Spasibo bolshoye Russian Bottom Slut for your insight! Very eye opening!

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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    Regretfully, your observation is realistic....
    Also true because an Olympics cannot simply be moved to another place quickly. Consider how far ahead the decisions are made. Preparation to host the Olympics involves perhaps MILLIONS of man-hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    I'd like to see a NEARLY-worldwide decision by the athletes, to wear rainbows on their clothing. I say nearly, because that dog don't hunt in much of the Middle East and Africa, nor do I think I'd see the Russian athletes wearing the pins or patches either.
    How 'bout pink triangles?



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    Re: RUSSIA: Co-Sponsor Of Anti-Gay Bill Says Government Cannot Selectively Suspend Enforcement During The Sochi Olympics

    ^priceless

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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