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    Pope Francis comment on Catholic Laity

    I found Pope Francis' recent comment on the Catholic faithful to be somewhat interesting. In other words, is Francis saying simply put that it is difficult to adhere to what one does not understand i.e. The Mysteries of Faith professed in the Catholic Eucharist (Liturgical Mass)?


    "At times we lose people because they don't understand what we are saying, because we have forgotten the language of simplicity and import an intellectualism foreign to our people," he said. "Without the grammar of simplicity, the church loses the very conditions which make it possible to fish for God in the deep waters of his mystery."
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    Re: Pope Francis comment on Catholic Laity

    Sounds like he was not in favor of the recent (last few years) translation of the Nicene Creed - who uses words like consubstantiation in daily discourse - or chalice as opposed to cup.

    Some translation purists pushed an agenda - that the church of Ireland and Germany said "thanks, no thanks" to - while "conservative" priests (read "pre-Vatican II pushers") argued for a "smaller but more faithful Catholic Church". The evidently missed the meaning of "little c" catholic - UNIVERSAL.


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    Re: Pope Francis comment on Catholic Laity

    For a "Jesuit" by training , he really does come across as more of a "Franciscan" , as Don has said above , The Nicene Creed , and the "interpretation" of The Creed by both "pre and pro" , has caused quite a "Schism" in the Church .

    I like this man , after all the horrific press in the last few years i hope that he can "draw" us closer .

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    Re: Pope Francis comment on Catholic Laity

    Medic1,
    I've had more exposure to Jesuits in my life - I've found the ones I know to be fairly approachable and humble while profoundly intelligent. His demeanor does not surprise me - "Shogun" and the "Black Ship" notwithstanding from the media.

    I follow his twitter feed - and his messages are always affirming.


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    Re: Pope Francis comment on Catholic Laity

    ^ I know , my Very strong recollection was off my old School master .
    Jesuits are well known for their intellect , Franciscans for humility , he seems to be a great combination off both .

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    Re: Pope Francis comment on Catholic Laity

    What's to be expected on a church that exalts as a saint a man who subjected the simple message of the Bible to the tangles of Aristotelian thought and scholasticism? -- with the result that the church holds to dogmas that are plainly contrary to the simple words of the scriptures?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Pope Francis comment on Catholic Laity

    I find the words and actions of the new pope interesting, particularly in light of this week's Gospel readings. Jesus and Paul admonished believers that the focus of this new faith was to be Eucharistic centered. Unfortunately, the church heiarchy put more and more rules on the laity to the point it felt unworthy to receive the Eucharist. Jesus' message was clear: the rules and requirements of the first (or old) covenant were to onerous and restrictive; he would replace it with a simple command which was to love. Love unconditionally.

    And yet the last pope seemed to want to revisit Vatican II's reminder that all are worthy at the table. Instead, rules, regulations and the like seemed to be piling back on (including revising the Creeds and Eucharistic Prayers to non-describable interpretations). Jesus did not warn the people as much as he warned the religious of His day about spiritually abusing the flock it was given. This pope seems to realize that the laity and people ARE the church. Without people, the church is a bunch of men in fancy robes and large, cold buildings. I didn't remember any command to build the most opulent churches; dress in gold braided robes; expect to sit at the head of the table (actually He warned against all of those). Maybe there is hope for this church but Francis faces a huge uphill battle because those in power are least likely to want to relinquish that power to the laity who they view as "second class."

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    Re: Pope Francis comment on Catholic Laity

    Wiz,
    Nicely put.


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    Re: Pope Francis comment on Catholic Laity

    ^
    Ditto that.

    Francis should remind everyone that laity is from Greek laos, which means the whole people (of God). The priesthood is also laos, because anyone not laos is not part of the people of God.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: Pope Francis comment on Catholic Laity

    Wiz,

    Awesomely put. Thanks for providing such an awesome response.

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    Thanks guys!

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