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    Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    Well, good! Holder is gonna pick on Texas first. Well, let's get it on! All the States need to go through this process and get the laws back to where they belong. Let's see how the non-Texan here will respond to this.

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    Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas
    Holder cites "evidence of intentional racial discrimination" in Rick Perry's state.

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    Attorney General Eric Holder announced on Thursday the first step the Justice Department will take to restore the voting rights gutted by a Supreme Court decision neutering a key prong of the Voting Rights Act. In remarks prepared for the National Urban League’s annual conference, Holder announced that the Justice Department “will ask a federal court in Texas to subject the State of Texas to a preclearance regime similar to the one required by Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act” — effectively restoring the safeguards against voter suppression in Texas that were stripped by the five Republican justices’ decision in Shelby County v. Holder.
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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    Another reason to be very happy PREFER the current President over the Romney possibility. BELIEVE IT: Romney's Attorney General would have never given a thought about challenging any of these laws.

    EVER.
    "All legal U. S. residents who are 18 years or older, shall have an unconditional right to vote." - We need a 28th Amendment to the U. S. Constitution which resembles this...NOW!

    VOTING: Just remember: "Be careful of what you DON'T wish for. You might just get it." GET OUT AND VOTE for what you DO wish for.

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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    Another reason to be very happy PREFER the current President over the Romney possibility. BELIEVE IT: Romney's Attorney General would have never given a thought about challenging any of these laws.

    EVER.

    A Romney Attorney General would have encouraged them to go further.

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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    Holder wants to make it possible for illegals to vote Democrat. The Court will see his dirty scheme for what it is.

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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    Voting rights for Canadians! We're taking over Texas!

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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    I think you meant to write this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Holder wants to make it possible for illegals African-Americans to vote Democrat. The Court will see his Texas' dirty scheme for what it is.

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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    With little precedent behind it, this is going to be an uphill battle. OTOH, the GOP has been providing Holder with ammunition.

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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    While I am not a fan of no-ID voting, I think until the government sponsors a national program of issuing free IDs to every citizen, anything that is done to prevent people from voting is just cynical.
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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    They want to rig the 2014 Senate elections and espescially the 2016 national elections.
    IMO,this will backfire on them big time. It's not about Democrats and Republicans anymore,it's about the Republican party trying to take away the right to vote.

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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    The desperation of republicans has cranked up a few notches with all their new voter suppression laws. Since they can't get anyone but paranoid white males to vote for them they'll just try their damnedest to make sure no one else can vote.

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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    Don't stop with Texas investigate all those states under Republican control.

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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    While I am not a fan of no-ID voting, I think until the government sponsors a national program of issuing free IDs to every citizen, anything that is done to prevent people from voting is just cynical.
    Easy: offer a federal tax credit for the cost of whatever state ID that qualifies as voter ID.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    @ White Eagle: I hope so. I don't believe in any inherent right to vote, but if that's the system we're using, then there's an inherent right to have voting for one person just as easy for all others, because persons are inherently equal.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    I think every citizen, 18 and up should be issued an ID if they don't already have one. Kinda like a non-driver's license that could be swapped if they eventually get a driver's license. I also think that we should semi-standardize driver's licenses. Same grade plastic, same orientation, same background color, same format etc. allowing the states' own insignias and whatnot to stay. Maybe a different color if they're a non-citizen. That'd make it pretty straightforward.

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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by mightbe View Post
    I think every citizen, 18 and up should be issued an ID if they don't already have one. Kinda like a non-driver's license that could be swapped if they eventually get a driver's license. I also think that we should semi-standardize driver's licenses. Same grade plastic, same orientation, same background color, same format etc. allowing the states' own insignias and whatnot to stay. Maybe a different color if they're a non-citizen. That'd make it pretty straightforward.
    Background color can't be standardized: various states already use different background colors to indicate some sort of status, whether it's senior citizen or veteran or gun owner or temporary resident or what. Those different background colors allow the traffic officers to know some important things about the driver immediately.

    But everyone getting one at age 18 is a good idea. Personally, though, I'd make it sooner, at age 16, as part of a new militia act: everyone at age 16 gets a standardized ID showing they've had basic firearms training and accept responsibility for misuse of any they own; it could show conscientious objector status for those who object to carrying firearms, and when anyone is convicted of a violent crime or is otherwise disqualified from carrying, they would have to surrender their card and get a different one.

    Since legal residents are by law part of the militia while not eligible to vote, their cards would have to be different.

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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Easy: offer a federal tax credit for the cost of whatever state ID that qualifies as voter ID.
    Here, for example, the province will refuse to renew your driver's licence until you pay any outstanding fines from parking tickets, etc.

    I'm confident that it is proper to stop people from driving if they can't clean up after their driving messes. So make them take the bus to the polling booth. But I'm not sure it's appropriate to stop them from voting because they can't parallel park. How do they get ID then?

    There should be some minimum universal standard at least. Like, a passport is always valid ID. Period. In every jurisdiction.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Here, for example, the province will refuse to renew your driver's licence until you pay any outstanding fines from parking tickets, etc.

    I'm confident that it is proper to stop people from driving if they can't clean up after their driving messes. So make them take the bus to the polling booth. But I'm not sure it's appropriate to stop them from voting because they can't parallel park. How do they get ID then?
    Your card wouldn't be valid for driving, but it could still indicate you're eligible to vote.

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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Your card wouldn't be valid for driving, but it could still indicate you're eligible to vote.
    Oh, that's a very good point. In fact we have those cards too. Duh me.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Background color can't be standardized: various states already use different background colors to indicate some sort of status, whether it's senior citizen or veteran or gun owner or temporary resident or what.
    Oops. I didn't know that. My state doesn't use the background as a distinctive factor.

    Maybe some other easily-visible feature then. Maybe like an 1/8th inch wide silver band on one side to show citizenship?

    I still think the basic format of driver's licenses should be standardized, for interchangeability. Make background colors mean the same thing nationwide. Like an officer in Kansas immediately being able to know that a driver from Massachusetts is a temporary resident that's also a senior citizen.

    I think a separate ID starting at 16 is good as well, but not as part of an opt-out system. I think it should rather be opt-in, and everyone, regardless of that training (or lack thereof), gets further instruction if they should ever join a militia (preferably requiring that everyone in the militia be either 18+ or have dropped out of high school).

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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by mightbe View Post
    Oops. I didn't know that. My state doesn't use the background as a distinctive factor.

    Maybe some other easily-visible feature then. Maybe like an 1/8th inch wide silver band on one side to show citizenship?

    I still think the basic format of driver's licenses should be standardized, for interchangeability. Make background colors mean the same thing nationwide. Like an officer in Kansas immediately being able to know that a driver from Massachusetts is a temporary resident that's also a senior citizen.

    I think a separate ID starting at 16 is good as well, but not as part of an opt-out system. I think it should rather be opt-in, and everyone, regardless of that training (or lack thereof), gets further instruction if they should ever join a militia (preferably requiring that everyone in the militia be either 18+ or have dropped out of high school).
    Silver? No, read white and blue, nothing else!

    Too much standardizaton, and you'll raise the outcry against a national ID card -- of course you'd get that with my militia ID, too, but that could be fun because a good argument could be made that it comes under Congress' authority t provide for discipline of the militia.

    I think the militia age at 16 is fine -- kids younger than that have fought for their country before I'd just define 16-18 as home defense exclusively, for in case we get invaded. As for opting out, traditionally religious or other deep conviction against bearing arms has trumped the duty to be in the militia; OTOH, there is also a tradition to require other service in its place -- I'd propose some national service for the poor, the environment, or something.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fly View Post
    A Romney Attorney General would have encouraged them to go further.
    The Republicans could make it appear that they favor diversity, by passing "Chromosomal Diversity" bills in individual states which, of course, would say that one needs chromosomal diversity to vote. Therefore, the diversity-challenged XX chromosomes (i.e. women) would not be allowed to vote, because they're guilty of chromosomal discrimination.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    While I am not a fan of no-ID voting, I think until the government sponsors a national program of issuing free IDs to every citizen, anything that is done to prevent people from voting is just cynical.
    YES!

    If they are going to yammer on and on about voter fraud, PROVIDE something which will remove as much as that same [IMAGINARY] voter fraud as possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Easy: offer a federal tax credit for the cost of whatever state ID that qualifies as voter ID.
    Works only if somebody actually has enough income to PAY an income tax; or would that also include a rebate if somebody's income taxes are Zero or less than whatever the cost of an ID is? If somebody has to pay for the ID up front, what's to prevent states from charging $10,000 for the non-drivers-license ID? This HAS to be entirely a federal thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by mightbe View Post
    I think every citizen, 18 and up should be issued an ID if they don't already have one.

    Same grade plastic, same orientation, same background color, same format etc. allowing the states' own insignias and whatnot to stay. Maybe a different color if they're a non-citizen.
    Or even, as said above, 16. I even had the same thought about some different kind of appearance for non-citizens...OR WHATEVER it is which causes people ineligible to vote because of status. (Example, can naturalized persons who are not yet CITIZENS, vote? Or does naturalization even exist anymore? Nobody ever talks about it anymore.)
    "All legal U. S. residents who are 18 years or older, shall have an unconditional right to vote." - We need a 28th Amendment to the U. S. Constitution which resembles this...NOW!

    VOTING: Just remember: "Be careful of what you DON'T wish for. You might just get it." GET OUT AND VOTE for what you DO wish for.

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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    Works only if somebody actually has enough income to PAY an income tax; or would that also include a rebate if somebody's income taxes are Zero or less than whatever the cost of an ID is? If somebody has to pay for the ID up front, what's to prevent states from charging $10,000 for the non-drivers-license ID? This HAS to be entirely a federal thing.
    Credits are the same thing as payments -- if they leave you with a positive balance, you get a refund.

    If the federal government is requiring something on a state-issued ID so it will serve as voter ID, they can set a maximum cost. Besides, if a state decided to charge like $500, then people would be getting a tax credit that large.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Credits are the same thing as payments -- if they leave you with a positive balance, you get a refund.

    If the federal government is requiring something on a state-issued ID so it will serve as voter ID, they can set a maximum cost. Besides, if a state decided to charge like $500, then people would be getting a tax credit that large.
    Does your tax code distinguish between "non-refundable tax credits" and "refundable tax credits?"

    We have some credits that expire if your taxable income is zero, or has been reduced to zero by other credits already applied.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: Breaking News: DOJ to Ask Court to Reinstate Voting Rights Act in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Does your tax code distinguish between "non-refundable tax credits" and "refundable tax credits?"

    We have some credits that expire if your taxable income is zero, or has been reduced to zero by other credits already applied.
    There are occasional non-refundable. This should be refundable.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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