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    European Union ... ?

    Is it going to be as bad as Pat Condell think in the future??
    If so, the minority (such as gays, migrants, muslims ...etc) will be the worst hit.



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    Re: European Union ... ?

    Other than a couple of minor points (about it falling apart into revolution (I wish) and about it being extreme socialist (it isn't)) I agree with him completely.

    This is amongst the top 3 or top 5 issues that really anger me the most.

    As a result I'm probably going to be voting UKIP at the next election, despite me being extreme-left economically and socially, and despite me disagreeing with any number of their policies including their rather pro-religious and anti-homosexual views. I've already voted UKIP last European election and will definitely be voting for them in the next.

    I don't think Americans and the rest of the world fully comprehend with the EU what is going on. THEY ARE WANTING A SINGLE COUNTRY. That is their goal for Europe, however long it takes. They pursue it with just as much religious zeal and ideology as is stated by the man in the video. They are just as blind to objection and dissent as stated by the man in the video. The self-stated mantra of this organisation is "EVER-CLOSER union" - that means a process that is UNSTOPPABLE.

    And this process is just as dictatorial and ANTI-democratic as the man says. They actively pressurise governments to halt or back down if the DREADED word 'referendum' appears. THEY WILL NOT ALLOW the citizens of Europe to vote on this. Only the Republic of Ireland does and that's because it's written in their constitution. This has been the EU policy ever since the Danes and French DARED to vote 'no' by a slim margin to one of the treaties about a decade ago.

    For Americans in the United States I've used this analogy before and it's worth repeating AND highlighting....

    Imagine if an unelected, super-national, extra-judicial, statutory organisation with its own parliament sprung up in Mexico City, and declared a North American Union (N.A.U.) with the goal of having all countries north of Panama join in a confederation. The dollar is to be replaced (as all currencies are) with the 'americano'. The powers of the Supreme Court of the United States can now be appealed and overruled by the N.A.U. Court. The decisions of your Congress are now guided, arbitrated and are subject to review by the N.A.U. Both Democrats and Republicans refuse to allow you to have a vote on all this. The United States slowly loses all its power as it is transferred, treaty by treaty, over to the North American Union. That is your new country. And you got no voice and no vote in its creation. Death of the United States by a thousand cuts.

    That is what's happening to the United Kingdom. And if I'm forced to vote for a right-wing borderline homophobic party to save my country, then so be it. That is what I'll do.

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    Re: European Union ... ?

    I can actually feel the hot air coming off the computer screen as I watch this.

    He talks in ominous generalities with nothing to say- ahh there we go, three minutes in before we get to specifics: Of course Greece and Italy had it coming to them, and Europe is doing the right thing there.

    Rolling my eyes at the "massive salaries…." and the "crisis they created" conspiracy theory. LOL soviet totalitarianism….

    Okay here's the EU:
    "Your country has elected inept corrupt fraudulent prime ministers and finance ministers for 10 years and your country is bankrupt. Thus we are going to institute a brutal and cruel dictatorship whose first act of tyranny is…. to cover all your debts and give you a financial lifeline to avoid total economic collapse! Muaahahahhahhaah!!!!!!!!!! Take that, you freedom-loving bastards! If you don't watch yourselves, we'll forgive even more of your debt and then transfer reconstruction funds to your economy!!!! You've been warned."

    He is, if not a complete nutter, a very poor historian and a very poor economist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    I don't think Americans and the rest of the world fully comprehend with the EU what is going on. THEY ARE WANTING A SINGLE COUNTRY. That is their goal for Europe, however long it takes. They pursue it with just as much religious zeal and ideology as is stated by the man in the video.
    Only from the british point of view. Did you ever familiarize yourself with the EU parliament? Or EU laws? Nothing screams more like "10000 countries" than EU bureaucracy. But I hope you enjoyed your stay in Germany without a VISA
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    Mostly what I don't understand is how the unsuccessful countries can look at the successful ones and then try to do the opposite. If I were Portuguese or Greek or Italian or Spanish, I would be rioting to have the German finance minister put in charge, not to keep him out.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Oh and add to that, that the current british banking model basically only works because of the EU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corny View Post
    Oh and add to that, that the current british banking model basically only works because of the EU.
    Do you find it strange that London wants to maintain its position as Europe's financial capital, but it does not actually participate in the Euro?

    It seems very odd to me. German and British ideas about the importance of a hard currency are very similar. I would have thought they would make better progress together, and that this would be understood in the UK.
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    Re: European Union ... ?

    The guy is an idiot.

    Is it Alex Jones' brother by any chance?

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    I find it strange that so many brits are raging with foam at their mouths at the bad bad bad EU, whilst not realizing how much they are dependent on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    I don't think Americans and the rest of the world fully comprehend with the EU what is going on. THEY ARE WANTING A SINGLE COUNTRY. That is their goal for Europe, however long it takes.
    And i welcome it. There is not a cat in hells chance that i'd vote for UKIP. They are a nationalistic party that cares about nothing but seperation from Europe. They don't want unity, they don't want Britain to mix. They attract racists and homophobes to their party. They oppose gay marriage. They blame everything on Europe in order to further their one goal. They arrogantly believe they know what is best, well they don't. They don't, because they have no basis to prove that we would be better off outside of the EU, other than a lookback at nostalgia, when we were an empire and alone. Times have changed, you either move with them, or you hold everyone else back.
    The EU is our greatest trading partner, and would be if we weren't in it, but if we aren't in it, we can't secure our interests. If we are moving towards a single nation, then that's nothing to be feared. This is not a day and age where countries were annexed into their respective unions, which WERE genuinely not in the people's interests, and so no wonder that they fell apart.
    I fear absolutely nothing about living under the same roof as the French, Swedes, Greeks and Polish, and they should have no fear either. Europe is for Europe. Its good for security, its good for the economy, its good for prosperity. I support Europe 100%.
    I like that the UK did'nt join the Euro. I like the pound, and would rather not have to get used to a new currency. But i wouldn't grumble too much if the time came. Its just a change, not the beginning of the end. I think this is how many people see Europe, as a signal that we are somehow going to lose our identity if we stay in the EU. No more Britain.
    I however, am still more English than i am British, despite no England existing as a country since before my birth.

    I look forward to the day (centuries from now, watching from Heaven or Hell, or wherever else, to the existence of one country in the whole world. And the people across the planet all voting to change the name of whatever the last country was called, to just Earth. (and then we are officially ready to enter the space age and warring and befriending aliens....lol, couldn't resist)

    Oh, and i personally find the UKIP leader, Nigel Farage to look like a toad. Less of a toad than Nick Griffen of the BNP, but a toad nonetheless. I don't trust him, i don't trust his party, i do trust the EU.

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    Re: European Union ... ?

    The extreme right wing, basically Nazi, parties of Germany are Anti-EU, too ... just by the way. So I guess that would make it ok for me to vote for them? What kind of an excuse is that?

    Oh they hate gays and jews and pretty much everybody else. But I don't like the EU. More power to the extremists. JIHAD!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corny View Post
    I find it strange that so many brits are raging with foam at their mouths at the bad bad bad EU, whilst not realizing how much they are dependent on it.
    Its because negative publicity from the Eurocritics has seeded a one-sided opinion in the minds of many naive people who simply don't know enough about the EU. The seeds of discontent are LOUDER, simple as that.
    The right wing press have been relentless in their lieing about European legislation in order to make the EU look like a pedant. For example, the whole straightening up of bananas so that they aren't too bendy - yep, that was one thing that Europe did to the UK, straightened our bananas. It was right wing propoganda. Any opportunity of those to the right, or liberal nationalists to make the EU look like Beelzebub and they'll take it.

    Intelligent enough people will think twice when a referendum arrives at least, they'll actually get a chance to hear the good stuff for once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corny View Post
    Oh and add to that, that the current british banking model basically only works because of the EU.
    That is in large measure true. The British banking model is bust in pretty much the same way as the American banking model is bust.
    Both are in denial about it.
    A Canadian has been appointed to head the BOE. Is this merely a cosmetic makeover? We shall see.

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    ^ Since the Canadian you refer to was the head of the Bank of Canada through the entire economic meltdown and set policies that helped us avoid the structural damage to our economy and banking system.....I think that BoE is in pretty safe hands.

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    ^ Since the Canadian you refer to was the head of the Bank of Canada through the entire economic meltdown and set policies that helped us avoid the structural damage to our economy and banking system.....I think that BoE is in pretty safe hands.
    There are some radical thinking people in the BOE, and Mr Carney may be pushing an open door.
    As Chris Dillow points out today, he may need the help of the Archbishop of Canterbury.

    It's a sign of our strange times that not only is the Bank of England more radical than many on the left but also the Archbishop of Canterbury shows more sign of thinking about how to abolish capitalism than many on the left.

    His promise to try to compete Wonga out of existence can be seen as part of what Erik Olin Wright calls (pdf) an "interstitial transformation" - the creation of non-capitalist forms of organization in the interstices of capitalism which, if they can expand, could eventually marginalize capitalism itself. So, for example, credit unions and Roscas might eventually grow at the expense of banks (especially if the latter's state subsidy is withdrawn); farmers' markets and even allotments nibble away at supermarkets; the internet is undermining the media and music industries.And so on. These are examples of everyday decommodification.
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    ^ Oh don't be under any illusion that Carney is a radical or that he is out to demolish corporate banking or the corporate economy. What he is very good at is setting the rule book that doesn't allow financial institutions to run riot and risk the economy...he's very good at money supply and managing interest rates. I don't think he'll really care much about what those on the far left or the Archbishop of Canterbury think about the Bank of England policies.

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    There is a difference between capitalism and parasitism. Getting rid of this wonga and their ilk is not really what i would call a leftist assault on capitalism any more than we could equate calling an exterminator with poaching endangered species.
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    Re: European Union ... ?

    So by doing good for Europe the unelected leaders are solidifying their power?



    That's one way to go about it.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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