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    Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    http://madmikesamerica.com/2012/03/m...d-i-was-raped/


    It's unfortunatley a very sad reality that non-consentual forced sex is not exclusively heterosexual. There are tons of sad stories of gay men that go a gay bar and end up getting taken advatage of and sodomized against their will. Here are some examples.

    http://sdgln.com/news/2013/06/11/dru...ells-his-story

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-...b_1912887.html

    http://www.sdgln.com/news/2013/06/06...crest-sandiego

    Gay male rapists are the fucking worst people in the world. THEY are the reason why our community is still an accepted prejudice in Middle America. THEY create the stereotype that all gay men have uncontrollable libidos and that we prey on random men, whether they are straight or gay. THEY are the fucking reason why so many Texans want Lawrence vs. Texas repealed. THEY are the reason why homosexual men are still not accepted in American society while lesbians are. And it needs to stop. A lot of the stories shown here are of gay rape victims that had the courage to come out and announce what they've been through. But sadly, there are still scores more that refuse to reveal what happened to them. SOLEY due to the stigma attached to male on male rape. With M/M rape sadly, victim blaming is through the roof, especially with so many ignorant people saying "You chose to live the gay lifestyle, it's your fault that you got sexually assaulted." Imagine fucking that, somebody you don't know violates you sexually, you have to go through the legal process and fucking years of therapy just to have people say to you "It's YOUR fault you got raped."

    I'm pretty sure you all agree with me on this, right?

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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    No, I don't agree with you - I was right there with you until the links ended, and the story does hit closer to home than you'll ever know.

    Blaming the rapists for the stigma of the community is bizarre, over the top, and sorta over the line. Rapists are a huge concern for EVERYone, and they should be dealt with swiftly and harshly - as should victim-blamers like the people you described that say we "chose" to be gay(or "they were "asking for it", they "shouldn't be wearing such provocative clothing", "should be aware of their surroundings", etc). But the people that despise the LGBT community despise ALL of us - they don't accept lesbians because they're less likely to RAPE them.
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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    No, I don't agree with your rambling.

    My solidarity to the victims and I encourage anyone who has gone through rape to report it and look for help. Also I think these personal stories keep us aware of a real threat we don't use to care a lot. Of course I don't sympathize with the rapist but I wouldn't blame them for homophobia. I would blame homophobia for the shameful sentiment and isolation of rape victims wich encourage other aggressors.

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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    uh yeah sorry, but your entire 2nd paragraph is pure bullshit.

    homophobia is irrational and would not disappear or even lessen if somehow male-on-male rape were to decline.

    and more importantly, homophobia is not the fault of gay men.
    yeah, you blame only a small, particularly despicable subset of gay men (rapists), but still, what you are ultimately saying is that gay men are responsible for homophobia, and thats a pretty fucked up thing to say.
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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    No i'm pretty sure we all won't agree with you on this.

    But then so are you.

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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    Rape is rape no matter what, and I have no idea why you are not agreeing with me when I say that it creates a negative representation of us. There are people out their in 2013, believe it or not, that believe that ALL gay men are rapists. And I'm not blaming us for the reason why homophobia exists, because I've always advocated gay people to stand up to homophobic bullies and telling them to go fuck themselves. I'm only saying that gay men who take advatage of and rape other gay men are the worst that our community has to offer and it reflects very badly in the average Joe's eye. We all yearn for acceptance in society, That's why it's a problem. That's NOT the gay community.
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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by xboxfan34 View Post
    Rape is rape no matter what
    And that's where the post should stop.
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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    Are gay rapists worse than straight or bi-sexual rapists? Do straight rapists cause heterophobia? A rapist is a rapist is a rapist...they all suck, regardless of their victim or the rapists orientation.

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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    If these conditions are not met... CONSENTING ADULTS...it is a criminal act and not about sex. It is not an exclusively gay issue.

    There are people out their in 2013, believe it or not, that believe that ALL gay men are rapists.
    Why do you think other people's ignorance is our problem? I don't remember meeting anyone who thinks that.

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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    Rapists? I thought THEY thought we were all pedophiles. We get lumped in just as much or more so with them.
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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    Stereotype about gay men being promiscuous has nothing to do with gay rape

    It has to do with men having sex with men also looking for sex

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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    I totally wouldn't agree with you. From my experience in middle America, rape is rarely reported in the gay community; actually it is likely underreported in DC and other places. Middle America -- the red states along with Michigan and others -- are homophobic and it has nothing to do with rape; they are a mixed bag of "the bible tells me so" and "it's unnatural -- you have to always procreate when having sex" (or be open to the possibility).

    Gay rape or any rape is a crime; it is the most vile assault upon another individual (and I say this as a former police officer who was trained and investigated many rapes). The perpetrator is likely not to even ejaculate since it is not a crime of passion but rather assault with intent to injure. Ever look at female teachers who are caught having sex with students and try to find people ready to "string 'em up?" The male in such cases is often treated as a hero/stud by other students; the female is likely seen far differently than a male teacher having sex with minor females. Male on male? I highly doubt that is the reason they don't like us and would probably cheer someone on and view them as the "ultimate stud" for taking advantage of a homosexual male victim.

    I do believe promiscuity and rape are being confused in your statement; gay men do tend to have multiple partners and go out to have sex more than most females. Ever see a straight bathhouse (it's called a house of prostitution most likely) and is a crime in most states. I often wondered why lesbians don't have something like bathhouses and have never gotten a good answer even though I've asked a lot of our friends and their friends. The usual is "we just don't do that." Some studies suggest that females are much more likely to be monogamous; perhaps the reason is in that study.

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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    I was raped by another guy and I did not report it, I feared because I was gay that they would think I wanted it and like it. I remember saying no and no but he still did it. He took advantage of me when I was not coherent. It has not effected me because I push it tot he back of my mind and try not to think about it.

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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by xboxfan34 View Post
    Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.…
    I wonder what needs to be done about it. And who needs to do it?

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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    And that's where the post should stop.
    And on that note, MoK wins this thread.

    I will add, though, that rapists tend to make all men in general look bad.

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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by xboxfan34 View Post
    Rape is rape no matter what, and I have no idea why you are not agreeing with me when I say that it creates a negative representation of us. There are people out their in 2013, believe it or not, that believe that ALL gay men are rapists. And I'm not blaming us for the reason why homophobia exists, because I've always advocated gay people to stand up to homophobic bullies and telling them to go fuck themselves. I'm only saying that gay men who take advatage of and rape other gay men are the worst that our community has to offer and it reflects very badly in the average Joe's eye. We all yearn for acceptance in society, That's why it's a problem. That's NOT the gay community.
    That section marked in bold is just off. Men who rape other men are no worse than men who rape women.... or women who rape other women, or even women who rape men for that matter. That is all adult on adult violence and therefore not the worst there is. Child molestation is far worse. An adult sexually attacking a child (and it is an attack, no matter how one attempts to play it off) is the most heinous crime out there. At least against another adult there is some small chance that the victim can fight back. And the aftermath, though no less cruel, cam be mitigated by the adult's maturity, and the mental defenses and stability that comes with it. But the child has no such mitigating factors and is far more likely to be permanently harmed, both physically and mentally, from such an attack.
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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by xboxfan34 View Post
    I'm pretty sure you all agree with me on this, right?
    I thought the thread was from a poster who actually had a point until I read this line.

    It isn't credible. The phrasing gives you away suddenly and obviously as a troll.

    As a topic that no one would be arguing the opposing position (i.e., we need to do LESS about gay rape), your gratuitous paragraph expanding the header into the supposed PR problem caused by rapists just becomes obvious.

    When you establish credibility, your threads will be regarded seriously. Until then, your user name will be justifiably discounted as a troll's.

    *Edit* Upon reading through your posts, it may well be that you are just not discerning enough to have thought through what you're posting.
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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    The personal accounts don't necessarily establish that in every case the rapist was gay. They could easily have been straight.

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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    From my experience. No means no.

    Have you been raped before?


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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by LatimerRd View Post
    The personal accounts don't necessarily establish that in every case the rapist was gay. They could easily have been straight.
    But that's OK. According to the OP, if a straight man raped a gay man it wouldn't be as bad as if it had been a gay man raping him. And, if it was a woman raping the gay man that would be OK too. Because NOTHING is as bad as a gay man raping another gay man.
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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    Your thread is like testing the water of my incoming thread.
    I actually wanna post thread that sound: What would we do if some gay couple abuse their adoptive son?
    We're all seem to behave and play by the book (from post-equality era) but what if some assholes ruin it..?

    But I think it's not something that need answer...
    Assholes are everywhere-gay/straight, yes..we need to deal with their shit. Non-tabloid people will think like Mouf said but we're living in mass society when scandal and accusation sometimes shape the politics.
    It's unfortunate when things like that happen, I wish won't happen..

    Im enough with gay rape case above. Effect: might smear the decision to abolish DADT in military. And also for those lesbian couple who abuse discrimination act for their own benefit- read that somewhere..

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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Willie Boy View Post
    But that's OK. According to the OP, if a straight man raped a gay man it wouldn't be as bad as if it had been a gay man raping him. And, if it was a woman raping the gay man that would be OK too. Because NOTHING is as bad as a gay man raping another gay man.
    I NEVER and I mean NEVER said that it wouldn't that bad if a straight man raped a gay man. In fact I said in my second post that rape is rape no matter what.

    I will admit though, that I agree with what Dejavudoo said. I really did not think this thread through. What happened was that I read the articles about gay date rape in gay bars and I was thoroughly pissed off and outraged because I was thinking "How could we stoop this low?" Now I realize that there are heinous people in every single walk of life and I do apologize for my OP ranting.

    Instead of just judging by your walk of life, people should be judged by how big their hearts are.


    I wouldn't mind if someone would close this topic, I see now I tried to make a point, but I fucked up.
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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by xboxfan34 View Post
    I NEVER and I mean NEVER said that it wouldn't that bad if a straight man raped a gay man. In fact I said in my second post that rape is rape no matter what.
    Yet in the gist of your posts in this thread you keep returning to the claim that nothing is worse than a gay man raping a gay man. With every single post from the rest of us that has been proven wrong..... Your only response is to say you never said it? Sorry pal, but it is there in black and white in your posts, you said it multiple times.

    I will admit though, that I agree with what Dejavudoo said. I really did not think this thread through. What happened was that I read the articles about gay date rape in gay bars and I was thoroughly pissed off and outraged because I was thinking "How could we stoop this low?" Now I realize that there are heinous people in every single walk of life and I do apologize for my OP ranting.
    That's what happens when you look before you leap, you tend to end up sticking both feet in your mouth. But hey, it could have been worse, you could have damaged more than just your reputation, your ego, and your pride. Just a word of advice.... Think before you react. Your emotions took control and your words came out before your brain realized what it was typing. This is common in the gay community as gays are statistically more in touch with their feelings. Normally this is a good thing, but it can lead to hot headed mistakes and misunderstandings. Take a little extra time to process what you read/see/hear and let you mind take control of your emotions before commenting, this will allow you to better state what it is you are trying to say.

    Instead of just judging by your walk of life, people should be judged by how big their hearts are.
    This is not bad, but better yet, not to judge the people at all.... just the actions. There's no need to make things personal.


    I wouldn't mind if someone would close this topic, I see now I tried to make a point, but I fucked up.
    As I said previously you just let your emotions outrun your brain..... Chalk it up to a lesson learned, we all make mistakes in this world and the best we can do is learn from them and move forward.
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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by thewiz View Post
    I totally wouldn't agree with you. From my experience in middle America, rape is rarely reported in the gay community; actually it is likely underreported in DC and other places. Middle America -- the red states along with Michigan and others -- are homophobic and it has nothing to do with rape; they are a mixed bag of "the bible tells me so" and "it's unnatural -- you have to always procreate when having sex" (or be open to the possibility).

    Gay rape or any rape is a crime; it is the most vile assault upon another individual (and I say this as a former police officer who was trained and investigated many rapes). The perpetrator is likely not to even ejaculate since it is not a crime of passion but rather assault with intent to injure. Ever look at female teachers who are caught having sex with students and try to find people ready to "string 'em up?" The male in such cases is often treated as a hero/stud by other students; the female is likely seen far differently than a male teacher having sex with minor females. Male on male? I highly doubt that is the reason they don't like us and would probably cheer someone on and view them as the "ultimate stud" for taking advantage of a homosexual male victim.

    I do believe promiscuity and rape are being confused in your statement; gay men do tend to have multiple partners and go out to have sex more than most females. Ever see a straight bathhouse (it's called a house of prostitution most likely) and is a crime in most states. I often wondered why lesbians don't have something like bathhouses and have never gotten a good answer even though I've asked a lot of our friends and their friends. The usual is "we just don't do that." Some studies suggest that females are much more likely to be monogamous; perhaps the reason is in that study.
    I think people are being a hit hard on the OP, rape in the gay male community is an extremely taboo topic to discuss. Gay men don't want to talk about it because we are men, and some gay men believe it can NEVER happen to them. But it does happen but it is so under reported.

    Lesbians don't have bathhouses because even though these women are gay they still face barriers in exploring their sexuality than gay or heterosexual men. In Toronto, I think around Pride every couple of years there is a lesbian bathhouse theme night but it is only one night but it is pretty busy.

    I think women, are just different in relation to how they express their sexuality. Lesbians aren't going to have sex in public spaces like gay men because since they are women they can still get raped by men.
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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by xboxfan34 View Post
    I NEVER and I mean NEVER said that it wouldn't that bad if a straight man raped a gay man. In fact I said in my second post that rape is rape no matter what.

    I will admit though, that I agree with what Dejavudoo said. I really did not think this thread through. What happened was that I read the articles about gay date rape in gay bars and I was thoroughly pissed off and outraged because I was thinking "How could we stoop this low?" Now I realize that there are heinous people in every single walk of life and I do apologize for my OP ranting.

    Instead of just judging by your walk of life, people should be judged by how big their hearts are.


    I wouldn't mind if someone would close this topic, I see now I tried to make a point, but I fucked up.
    Yes you did.

    Never mind. You learned something. A few others learned something and perhaps you will be cautious about taking giant leaps in logic when you are confronted with complex social and moral issues and whether the perpetrator of any crime should suddenly be the poster child for an entire race/religion/cultural/sexual minority.

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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MorrisseyX View Post
    I think people are being a bit hard on the OP, rape in the gay male community is an extremely taboo topic to discuss. Gay men don't want to talk about it because we are men, and some gay men believe it can NEVER happen to them. But it does happen but it is so under reported.
    This does not just apply to gay men. Straight men don't report it either. Nor do lesbians. And guess what, straight women often don't report rape either...... All for much the same reasons you give. Imagine that. Rape is rape, it doesn't matter if it is perpetrated by male or female, gay or straight. Nor does it matter if it is against male or female or gay or straight.

    Lesbians don't have bathhouses.
    Are you sure about this? Sort of reminds me of someone who once said women didn't have their own gyms. They have them, but don't openly advertise them. Why? Anyone remember what happened with Curves?


    I think women, are just different in relation to how they express their sexuality. Lesbians aren't going to have sex in public spaces like gay men because since they are women they can still get raped by men.
    Men can still be raped by men, men can still be raped by women, and women can still be raped by other women. It would appear you put even less thought into your response than the OP did when posting this thread. At least with him it was understandable, he got caught up in emotion after reading about numerous gay rapes. He has since learned not to leap into an emotional chasm. You, on the other hand come blindly along and make the same exact mistake he did. You not only put both of your feet in your own mouth, but his also. But that is what happens when a person with a big mouth lets his mouth control his brain. When will we learn to think first, then speak?

    Granted, the brain is made up of fatty material while the tongue is the strongest muscle in the human body. But that just means we should exercise the brain far more than we do our tongues. Simple common sense. Too bad it is so rare these days.
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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    Just wondering, if a gay guy gets fucked up at a gay bar and goes home with someone he would not have consented to with sober, is that a form of rape too? because if that is the case, then it happens all the time. gay bars are very dangerous. stick with your friends and limit your drinks. you may have shame/self esteem issues due to homosexuality but black out drinking is NOT the solution!

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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by youngnihilist View Post
    Just wondering, if a gay guy gets fucked up at a gay bar and goes home with someone he would not have consented to with sober, is that a form of rape too? because if that is the case, then it happens all the time. gay bars are very dangerous. stick with your friends and limit your drinks. you may have shame/self esteem issues due to homosexuality but black out drinking is NOT the solution!
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    Quote Originally Posted by youngnihilist View Post
    Just wondering, if a gay guy gets fucked up at a gay bar and goes home with someone he would not have consented with when sober, is that a form of rape too? because if that is the case, then it happens all the time. gay bars are very dangerous. stick with your friends and limit your drinks. you may have shame/self esteem issues due to homosexuality but black out drinking is NOT the solution!
    That describes date rape in a nutshell. And that doesn't just happen in gay bars, or to gays. Any time someone is inebriated/wasted/stoned/generally fucked up by any chemical or drug they no longer are fully capable of giving "informed" consent. That is rape, plain and simple. It happens in straight bars as well as gays, at parties at clubs or even in individual homes. It happens between straights, gays, lesbians, or any mix thereof.
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    Re: Gay Rape: More needs to be done about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Willie Boy View Post
    That describes date rape in a nutshell. And that doesn't just happen in gay bars, or to gays. Any time someone is inebriated/wasted/stoned/generally fucked up by any chemical or drug they no longer are fully capable of giving "informed" consent. That is rape, plain and simple. It happens in straight bars as well as gays, at parties at clubs or even in individual homes. It happens between straights, gays, lesbians, or any mix thereof.
    I don't think it's rape if both guys are fucked up. What if the sober one is the bottom? I had a friend in college who got so drunk one night. He fucked his gf. Next day, he didn't remembered fucking her. He blacked out. She was pissed off at him. Did she rape him?

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    As long as "informed consent" can not be given it is rape. Now if both parties went there, whether together or separately, with the intention of hooking up.... That would be a little different as they had already consented..... The only question, should one of them cry rape afterward was whether they would have wanted to stop had they been sober. That could get into some major gray area. That is why it is not a good idea to add drugs to sex..... You never know if the stranger will have a change of heart after the fact and cry rape. You got a "victim" crying rape who was under the influence of drugs/alcohol and any jury will be automatically swayed toward a guilty verdict.
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    Yes the over drinking is a big part. I was at a gay bar, and probably drank too much, there was this guy I wanted and he ended up with someone else. I was sad and started throwing them down, this big guy was there drinking with me. He was alright but not for me accept conversation. My ride left and he offered to take me to the trolley. We left, he had a van, and I dozed off we ended up at the beach, I woke he was riming my ass, and said" I'm going to fuck your bitch ass" I said " I don't want to fuck," He said " you sissy bitches all want it, you can have it easy or hard" he slapped me a couple of times, I didn't fight back, and he fucked me hard, my ass was sore for weeks. Now I never drink a lot unless I am with close friends, I never reported it or saw the guy again.

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    I am sorry you had to suffer that. But yes, that was rape, and you probably saved yourself a lot of pain/broken bones by not fighting. It sounds like he was big enough to have his way with you either way. I wish you would have reported it, monsters like that need to be taken off the streets before they kill someone..... or worse.
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