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    Quote Originally Posted by Sultan View Post
    You realize the humane society kills dogs who are not adopted within 72 hrs, right? and that about half that are adopted end up being abandoned or returned, and wind up right back in the humane society....
    This may be true in your locale, which would be a real shame. But it NOT true everywhere. Hereabouts, some dogs spend months in either a humane society or a governmental animal control facility before they are adopted. My first dog spent three long months in the shelter before I came along.

    Have you started to focus on a strategy to help solve your problem?
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    I feel bad for any son of yours if you are willing to yell at him and shove his face in pee. My dogs pee inside too. Not because they would rather pee inside than outside, but sometimes they just gotta go. I don't get made and shove their face in it, although it does get frustrating. You gotta learn to control your tempter dude. Not cool to abuse animals.

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    This give me an idea.
    Why buy pets from pet shops when i can go and adopt one from the Animal Shelter. Is it free ?


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    I would never crate a dog---a chicken maybe---I don't buy that crating for hours on end is good for a puppy.

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    A canine playpen may be a good alternative to the crate (see video in link for example). Eight hours at a time, even broken up with a walk, is probably too long.

    http://www.humanesociety.org/animals..._training.html
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    Hey,Sultan -

    Check out this book... lots of good tips.

    http://www.amazon.com/No-Bad-Dogs-Th...se+no+bad+dogs

    I hope it all works out for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    A light swat on the rear or on the neck are a human version of what a pack leader will do to remind a dog it's misbehaving, and are thus okay. Anything beyond that can be interpreted by a dog as conflict, which is just confusing.
    A dog will remember when another dog goes after him. But youre another species and dont have that right. Go ahead and swat your dog, see how they look at you in the long run.

    A firm "no" is all you need.

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    Re: Hating my dog

    No dogs have to be crated to housebreak!!


    What research says this, crating is used to transfer, transport, naps, and securing, not meant to keep all day long

    We have had and bred Labradors for 28 yrs, and never did we have to crate to housebreak. All our pups went with complete puppy program, and housebroken.

    Seems it would be best to place the dog "you hate" in another home for his best interest.

    No matter what anyone says pro/ con you need to be good human being, and right now doing/ thinking this to ur poor dog you are to.

    Any trauma is traumatizing human or animal ur just in denial
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    This give me an idea.
    Why buy pets from pet shops when i can go and adopt one from the Animal Shelter. Is it free ?
    Animals from pet shop might be from a puppy mill.

    2 and 1/2 years ago
    I paid about $60 for my kitten Lennox, which included neutering. If there is no spay or neutering, there still is a fee. They called my vet to see what kind of owner I had been with my previous cat (who I had had for 12 years?)

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    Sultan,
    A few things, people have pointed a couple out but just to reiterate.

    First thing is the bond you make with the pet in the first six months will shape the relationship for the dogs life. That is how that dog perceives humans.

    Second, never rub feces on your dogs nose or even get it near the dog. They have no fucking clue whats up unless you get them while they make the mess... and I mean as the wrinkle neck is departing the station, otherwise your wasting your time and ruining your bond with the dog. Best bet is to make a really loud noise when they do it. That startles the pup and they stop. immediately take them outside.

    Hunter posted a very good method of 'learning' where the potty is located. He also noted that you cannot expect a pup to hold it in for longer than 2 to 4 hours. I suggest a pet walker. It is relatively cheap and you will find the interaction with a different person, along with whatever they come across walking will make the pup much better at being calm with life.

    I am going through this now with Maddy... I got her at about four months and she was used to living at a pet store and pissing through the grates. Four months of 'let her rip' is hard to overcome but I am getting there. I get pissed and frustrated as well. If you have to walk away for a sec, scream bloody what the fuck, take a breath and come back. After getting Maddy up to snuff with only the random pee puddle, she got the shits and I woke up a three weeks ago to midget mud wrestling in her kennel. Only she isnt a midget and it wasn't mud. But she look like she was about to die from shame because she knew where was good to go but couldn't control it. Thing is you are on target with the 'kid' analogy. Your dog is gonna have times when she is sick and messes will occur. Suck it up and love her.

    If she is still experiencing potty training issues, she is probably a bit crazy when you walk her. A great method to solve that is require her to sit before you even leash her up. then while walking if she pulls hard, make her sit again. Making sit is easy... up on leash while firmly pushing down on the ass (dont choke with the leash, just keep the head high). If all that is too much then consider a gentle leader, your dog will never actually be trained but that allows the lead to prevent the pulling.

    One other suggestion, take her out and eliminate (pee/poop) then plan your play time with her after you come in.... so less likely to have a accident... then kennel for a hour or two and walk her again and play after. That makes the act of waiting and going outside rewarded by the only thing she lives for and that is your attention.

    Don't forget that JUB is the queen of the indignant soap boxes. Dont let the people get under your skin, dogs are tough and you didnt break her but you gotta do better or she will always be a thing you despise. Cheers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoltanspawn View Post
    This may be true in your locale, which would be a real shame. But it NOT true everywhere. Hereabouts, some dogs spend months in either a humane society or a governmental animal control facility before they are adopted. My first dog spent three long months in the shelter before I came along.

    Have you started to focus on a strategy to help solve your problem?
    Unfortunately this is becoming much more the truth than the exception as the shelters are running out of funds from so much abandonment. If a family hasn't had work for years then it is hard to keep feeding a pet. I will die before mine leave me but thats another story.
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    Sultan, why not google info on your breed of dog? Some are particularly difficult to housebreak, especially the smaller ones like Bichons, I believe. Others, like labs, much easier. Some dogs will never do well alone, either. That is why experts tell us the breed of dog has to fit the owner. Dogs, like Jack Russell terriers are very intelligent and energetic and if they don't get lots of attention, they develop behavior issues. Also, every dog (or cat) has it's own personality and that will likely never change.

    I hope you won't hit anymore.

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    If you hit your dog you will ruin him and create an aggressive and paranoid wreck for a pet. Second, is he neutered?? If not, get it done, it makes a huge difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixthson View Post
    Sultan, why not google info on your breed of dog? Some are particularly difficult to housebreak, especially the smaller ones like Bichons, I believe. Others, like labs, much easier. Some dogs will never do well alone, either. That is why experts tell us the breed of dog has to fit the owner. Dogs, like Jack Russell terriers are very intelligent and energetic and if they don't get lots of attention, they develop behavior issues. Also, every dog (or cat) has it's own personality and that will likely never change.

    I hope you won't hit anymore.

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    Breed is important. I have a mix that's half English fox hound, which means his heritage is to chase what he smells when he's not on a leash -- so teaching him to heel is something that will never actually be finished!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Breed is important. I have a mix that's half English fox hound, which means his heritage is to chase what he smells when he's not on a leash -- so teaching him to heel is something that will never actually be finished!
    If you have a retriever dog that is used to following the nose then you have to train them accordingly. I know you have a great bond but try checking out a sporting dog training series. I havent experienced the full realization for training Maddy for sure and Mo has regressed but i am going to redouble my efforts here shortly (once this last week of school is out).

    http://www.gundogsupply.com/ is a great place for the tools you need and they have top notch gear.

    http://www.sportdog.com/ has a hunting and education forum ... well articles that you can use to get an idea of training methods. it is the next step i am taking with mine. I want them 100% obedient in the wild for when I retire so i dont have to pick one of them out of the teeth of a bear or wildcat.

    kind of a deep site so... http://www.sportdog.com/hunting-trai...t-command-whoa

    I know what you mean though. Hunting dogs have been bred to keep all the traits a dog needs, strength, speed and a damn fine smeller.... when I happen to have both dogs on one arm and they see a rabbit, i have to take two or three steps or lose my arm.... Hell as hard as they pull, after they make a family for themselves, I will have a great sled team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    If you have a retriever dog that is used to following the nose then you have to train them accordingly. I know you have a great bond but try checking out a sporting dog training series. I havent experienced the full realization for training Maddy for sure and Mo has regressed but i am going to redouble my efforts here shortly (once this last week of school is out).

    http://www.gundogsupply.com/ is a great place for the tools you need and they have top notch gear.

    http://www.sportdog.com/ has a hunting and education forum ... well articles that you can use to get an idea of training methods. it is the next step i am taking with mine. I want them 100% obedient in the wild for when I retire so i dont have to pick one of them out of the teeth of a bear or wildcat.

    I know what you mean though. Hunting dogs have been bred to keep all the traits a dog needs, strength, speed and a damn fine smeller.... when I happen to have both dogs on one arm and they see a rabbit, i have to take two or three steps or lose my arm.... Hell as hard as they pull, after they make a family for themselves, I will have a great sled team.
    Actually Bammer is generally quite good. If he sees a deer or elk, he just trembles and watches -- he wants to run and chase, but he's learned he's not supposed to. If they're in an area he considers home (?), he may bark at them. It's when he finds a scent and he's not heeling or on the leash, he sometimes just takes off.

    I think he's finally learned his lesson about porcupines, too -- we saw one a while back and he just looked at it.

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    I think we ought to focus keenly on the problems Sultan has identified.

    Please, let us start other threads for issues which may spin off from this topic.

    Sultan and his dogs need a laser-like focus right now to help him get back on track with the basics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoltanspawn View Post
    This may be true in your locale, which would be a real shame. But it NOT true everywhere. Hereabouts, some dogs spend months in either a humane society or a governmental animal control facility before they are adopted. My first dog spent three long months in the shelter before I came along.

    Have you started to focus on a strategy to help solve your problem?
    That is true, most of these shelters are privately run, but the ones who are strictly "no kill/euthanize" have limited space and turn away hundreds of other pets, so it's not like it's really helping the situation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zoltanspawn View Post
    I think we ought to focus keenly on the problems Sultan has identified.

    Please, let us start other threads for issues which may spin off from this topic.

    Sultan and his dogs need a laser-like focus right now to help him get back on track with the basics.
    Sultan has already received laser like focus. Unfortunately most of the resulting commentary would be the dog ending up in a kennel or dead. This forum is to talk. Excuse us if we are bothering you, just go on with what you were saying and we will mind our business as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoltanspawn View Post
    I think we ought to focus keenly on the problems Sultan has identified.
    Well, if Sultan would focus on the problem and the posts addressing it, rather than being an attack dog telling those that got mad that he hit his dog and stating he should give it a home where the person would be better able to train it properly to "shut the fuck up", maybe this could go somewhere... you know, constructive.
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    and if you can't find someone to take the dog instead of a crate put him in the bathroom with some weewee pads and a bowl of water and toys so he has a little room to move around and he won't feel like he's in jail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    This forum is to talk.
    I believe the purpose of this forum may be more than merely talking, but may also be to help. That is my main concern here.

    If you believe idle chatter and gossip is better in this circumstance than relevant advice, I have no way to stop you. Enjoy.

    I remain concerned about Sultan's challenges. I want the best for him and his dogs, regardless of my own or anyone's interest in discussing it.

    I want the best for you, Sultan. Have you considered another step?
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    Wow. I had no idea raising a dog took so much time, effort and money. All the more reason to own a cat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoltanspawn View Post
    I believe the purpose of this forum may be more than merely talking, but may also be to help. That is my main concern here.

    If you believe idle chatter and gossip is better in this circumstance than relevant advice, I have no way to stop you. Enjoy.

    I remain concerned about Sultan's challenges. I want the best for him and his dogs, regardless of my own or anyone's interest in discussing it.

    I want the best for you, Sultan. Have you considered another step?
    Very endearing, as a life long trainer of dogs, he has all the info he needs. He simply needs to act. Are you gonna move in and help because there is little more chit chat you can do to help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sultan View Post
    You realize the humane society kills dogs who are not adopted within 72 hrs, right? and that about half that are adopted end up being abandoned or returned, and wind up right back in the humane society....
    What the Hell kind of humane society is around your place? Mine has a "no kill" policy and will only euthanize the animal if it's terminally diseased. And you have to fill out as many forms as you would have to do if you adopt a human to prove you're worthy of a companion animal.

    My post still stands. You shouldn't be allowed to be in the company of an animal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoltanspawn View Post
    A canine playpen may be a good alternative to the crate (see video in link for example). Eight hours at a time, even broken up with a walk, is probably too long.

    http://www.humanesociety.org/animals..._training.html
    Subjective opinion; some people feel crates are good, others don't. I've thought about the playpen thing but if this is a space that gives the dog enough room, they will simply pee/shit in one area of the playpen and it will continue to reinforce that doing that indoors is OK.

    Ideally, crating a pet is not supposed to be permanent... only for housebreaking training until they learn to hold it and have the physical ability to do so. Reality is, not everyone who owns a dog can be with it 24/7 and keep an eye on it all the time to make sure it's not pissing indoors.

    For now, my dog has to be crated while I'm at work, but the other 16 hrs, he's pretty much free to roam and be a dog. Also, he isn't crated at all during the weekend because I'm with him the whole time. I don't see how that is considered "cruel". I did have people who used to watch him while I'm at work, but they ended up being fake, untrustworthy ass wipes and I opted to crate him over keeping him with irresponsible dog sitters.


    Quote Originally Posted by Beachguyj View Post
    and if you can't find someone to take the dog instead of a crate put him in the bathroom with some weewee pads and a bowl of water and toys so he has a little room to move around and he won't feel like he's in jail.
    Tried that, and it is a broken method. Pee pads are good to start with, but in the long run, they just reinforce that peeing indoors is OK. A dog can't decipher between pee pads and other soft surfaces. In the end it' going to just confuse them because they're not going to know that "peeing here is OK, but the rest of the house isn't". Making it strictly indoor and outdoor is a lot easier for them to understand.

    Also, he doesn't look at his crate as a prison any longer, because I limit the time he's in there as much as possible, put toys, and put him infront of the TV so he can watch Jerry Springer and Wendy Williams while I'm at work. Plus, I've tried giving him full bathroom access instead of crating and it just lead to destructive behavior; clawing and chewing at wooden surfaces and eventually the hose connecting to the toilet, which he flooded. The crate seems to make him feel much more calm and secure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    What the Hell kind of humane society is around your place? Mine has a "no kill" policy and will only euthanize the animal if it's terminally diseased. And you have to fill out as many forms as you would have to do if you adopt a human to prove you're worthy of a companion animal.

    My post still stands. You shouldn't be allowed to be in the company of an animal.

    and like I said earlier, these shelters that have a "no euthanize" policy turn away hundreds of animals each month because they have limited space available. These animals that get turned away are more than likely being taken to other shelters or abandoned. "Kill" shelters have much more space, but neither shelter is exactly a good environment for a dog.

    Fact is, the majority of society doesn't give a shit about these animals and most strays are not going to be saved. The big issue isn't that a shelter is or isn't putting these animals to sleep, it's that pet owners allow their dogs to breed much more than they should be and the animal population is exceeding the amount of people willing to take these dogs and cats in.

    and my post still stands, that you're a delusional whiner who probably has some skeletons in your own closet and overdue for a reality check, and PS: humans are animals. Just something to take into consideration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beachguyj View Post
    That's good to know about a cat, but you don't have to walk him, and he poos and pees in a little box, so it's much easier.
    Yeah, they don't require walking (it's actually really hard to get them on a leash, my cats howl like banshees when I put it on and dont walk but just roll over on their back till I take it off) but they still need exercise in the form of playtime.

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    To those who provided constructive critisicm, thanks and I def took it into consideration and learned from it.

    To those making threats or saying "you should not own a dog or have kids", kindly go fuck yourselves. If you lived in Texas, you'd realize that the stray animal problem is a huge issue here. People are thoughtless enough to drop their dogs off at a lot or gas station and abandon them. Yeah, maybe I did do something wrong yesterday and was harder on the dog than I should have been, don't you didn't take into account any of the good things I've done for the dog.
    With all due respect, the good things you do register with your dog, but so do the bad things. Unless you catch your dog in the act of peeing and stop him there with a firm & confident "No" (not yelling), any sort of abuse on the dog (physical or otherwise) will be counter productive. I think it would be fair to say both you and your dog have some training to do (beating a dog till he craps isn't accomplishing anything).

    was he traumatized for the rest of his life? no.....
    ^You can't prove that though.

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    Yeah, they don't require walking (it's actually really hard to get them on a leash, my cats howl like banshees when I put it on and dont walk but just roll over on their back till I take it off) but they still need exercise in the form of playtime.
    I've never seen a cat on a leash. I remember in one of my high school English classes we had to do a presentation and when one guy (who was a friend of mine) started telling the story of walking his cat on a leash I burst out in laughter. The teacher was pissed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BreakTheIce View Post
    Yeah, they don't require walking (it's actually really hard to get them on a leash, my cats howl like banshees when I put it on and dont walk but just roll over on their back till I take it off) but they still need exercise in the form of playtime.
    I started my cat young with a harness
    Lennox walks on leash, 4 1/2 months old
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    I tried a harness and a cat leash but both didn't work out well for Moogle and Oreo. Oreo freaked out and began howling in the middle of the street and tried to jump up a tree. Moogle handled it a bit better but wasn't amused.

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    As with 99.9% of these problems... This seems like the Human and not the dog.
    See your Vet for immediate fixes and advice, then get into a training program that will retrain you to take care of your dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sultan View Post
    Also, he doesn't look at his crate as a prison any longer, because I limit the time he's in there as much as possible, put toys, and put him infront of the TV so he can watch Jerry Springer and Wendy Williams
    OMG! THAT IS TORTURE!!! I would not force animals or humans to watch Jerry Springer or Wendy Williams.

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    Who the hell watches Springer anymore?

    I initially went to this Youtube account because I thought the walking on the leash video was posted there. But you can see Lennox doesnt mind the harness





    I used to let him run free - this is his first time - but he could wander off and get eaten like my last cat, so he is on a tether, which he thinks is natural because I started him early on it
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    and like I said earlier, these shelters that have a "no euthanize" policy turn away hundreds of animals each month because they have limited space available. These animals that get turned away are more than likely being taken to other shelters or abandoned. "Kill" shelters have much more space, but neither shelter is exactly a good environment for a dog.

    Fact is, the majority of society doesn't give a shit about these animals and most strays are not going to be saved. The big issue isn't that a shelter is or isn't putting these animals to sleep, it's that pet owners allow their dogs to breed much more than they should be and the animal population is exceeding the amount of people willing to take these dogs and cats in.

    and my post still stands, that you're a delusional whiner who probably has some skeletons in your own closet and overdue for a reality check, and PS: humans are animals. Just something to take into consideration.
    Oh shit. Here the excuses flow. This moron already admitted he hits the dog.

    There's no way this idiot should be allowed in the presence of an animal. He would just take his frustrations on it.

    Give it away and DO NOT take your frustrations out on it.

    You need a shrink.

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    You are an ass hole see a vet get him trained by someone who knows hitting a dog o cat does nothing the do not understand. And apparently either do you!

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    The thread has run its course: Sultan asked for advice, and got some good counsel as well as just bitchy venting. Anyone truly concerned for the health of the dog would have couched words in such a way as to effect needed changes, not just hurl invectives.

    For those of you appalled at Sultan's lack of emotional control and pet-handling skills, many of you demonstrated even less in dealing with a human who IS capable of understanding.

    Similarly, anyone capable of working himself into hysterics about the dog while incapable of seeing the whole human in this account is seriously out of balance. We as a species have a unique role to play in the conservation and protection of both flora and fauna. It is sad when we fail to include humans in that passion. After all, we have humans on this forum who derive sexual pleasure from hurting other human beings; even when consensual, that ranks far lower than someone who simply got frustrated and struck an animal when out of control. Likewise, we have many members who may not publicly admit it, but routinely drink or get high and operate automobiles. Sultan's main crime is that he told us his lapse instead of silently kept it from view.

    What passes for valor is just plain selfish sentiment: we rise to battle for horses and pets but couldn't be concerned with responsibility for myriad other species that aren't cute or affectionate to humans per se.

    Every shelter in the country is overflowing with dogs that will never see a home, animals that will live out their life in a gray world of cinder block pens that are not much more than the kennel Sultan is using when he is away. To Sultan's point, his dog has a chance at a better life, and with the counsel he has been given, even a bad apartment life will be better than the crappy inmate existence in the shelter.

    Recalibrate the focus. It was always Sultan AND his problems, including a better way for his pet. The pet didn't post here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m1thousand View Post
    Who the hell watches Springer anymore?

    I initially went to this Youtube account because I thought the walking on the leash video was posted there. But you can see Lennox doesnt mind the harness





    I used to let him run free - this is his first time - but he could wander off and get eaten like my last cat, so he is on a tether, which he thinks is natural because I started him early on it
    Thanks.

    Another reason why I keep my cats fully indoors is because Moogle still isn't fully vaccinated (he's getting his second shot today). He was being vaccinated in January but had to halt from Feb - June because of a ringworm infection on his tail and just re-started his vaccinations again late June.

    There are many feral cats, and people around the neighborhood also own cats that aren't vaccinated or fixed. Taking my cats outdoors runs the risk of other cats interacting with them in a bad/harmful way. Moogle is still vulnerable as he isn't vaccinated.

    I really wish I could get my cats trained for a harness/leash some day though. I run every morning, and usually run my friend's dog with me because she just had knee surgery and can't do it. It's a lot of fun to run with a friendly animal (but I don't think cats could keep up running for long with a person).

    IIRC cats can run faster than dogs, but they only run a short sprint (at ~30 mph), but can't keep up if you keep running for a while.
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    On second thought, research shows cats run about as fast as most dogs, but usually tire faster. However they're agile and can manoeuvre around sharp bends while on the run and also climb.

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    Cute doggy! Wish I have one! If you feel that you have to give it away, then so be it. Just don't come running back to take it home!
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    Dejavudoo (four posts above this one, at least at the moment)...excellent post! We may agree with some of Sultan's methods, but he came here to ask us for advice.

    I hope that the advice, given in here, works out well for you.

    Of course, if your dog can learn to alert you when he needs to "go," like some type of vocalizing or other action that you'll notice, that will be great. Otherwise, the dogpeople I know often schedule walks every few hours, regardless, such as one guy in here who I know, and who lives VERY far from Illinois. (Yes you know who you are LOL.)
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    I think we need to look at Frank. He's talking about jacking off horses in his signature lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Oh shit. Here the excuses flow. This moron already admitted he hits the dog.

    There's no way this idiot should be allowed in the presence of an animal. He would just take his frustrations on it.

    Give it away and DO NOT take your frustrations out on it.

    You need a shrink.
    I have to say that after reading the OP's post rationalizations that my opinion hasn't changed either.

    And to defend keeping the dog because a shelter might euthanize it is not the reason to have one. The OP opened the discussion with the statement that he hates his dog, beat him and is thinking of getting rid of him. At this point, I don't think that much more needs to be said. The vast majority have agreed. The OP should give up the dog. And as soon as possible. If he has any compassion for the animal, he will try to find it a good home himself, instead of dumping one more unwanted animal on a shelter.

    Several of us have suggested professional help for the OP.

    This is good advice.

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    Have you considered doggy day care? It's affordable, safe, and clean. Your pup will get plenty of exercise, socialization with other animals and humans, and look forward to seeing his friends every morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    Well, if Sultan would focus on the problem and the posts addressing it, rather than being an attack dog telling those that got mad that he hit his dog and stating he should give it a home where the person would be better able to train it properly to "shut the fuck up", maybe this could go somewhere... you know, constructive.
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    Perfectly well said,

    He's in denial, and that's what some people do when they have anger issues and take it out on other people and or animals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    Dejavudoo (four posts above this one, at least at the moment)...excellent post! We may agree with some of Sultan's methods, but he came here to ask us for advice.

    I hope that the advice, given in here, works out well for you.

    Of course, if your dog can learn to alert you when he needs to "go," like some type of vocalizing or other action that you'll notice, that will be great. Otherwise, the dogpeople I know often schedule walks every few hours, regardless, such as one guy in here who I know, and who lives VERY far from Illinois. (Yes you know who you are LOL.)

    ^^^^^

    this would work great if he did not keep it lock up in the crate like a prisoner.
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    I did live in Texas.

    I don't think anyone claimed you were a monster. That's your call.

    Hunting is just plain wrong.

    You asked for a advice. A lot of that advice has been to allow your dog to have a safe, non-violent and educated home. You didn't like that advice, which is a great shame for your dog.

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    A dog will remember when another dog goes after him. But youre another species and dont have that right. Go ahead and swat your dog, see how they look at you in the long run.

    A firm "no" is all you need.
    "Goes after"???

    A pack leader NEVER "goes after" a pack member.

    And as my dog's pack leader, I don't either. But as his pack leader, I have not only the right but the responsibility to discipline him. That is most effectively done by using the set of 'commands' built into him by evolution and breeding.

    Since I learned that, and started using those little correctives, Bammer obeys more promptly. By using the same swats a canine pack leader would, I cause him to respond with instinct. "In the long run", those swats communicate more effectively than a "no", because he responds to them on an instinctive level.

    To apply this to Sultan, he has to learn to "speak dog".

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