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    Online pornography to be blocked by default, PM announces

    So 'family friendly filters' are going to applied to all UK internet providers unless individual subscribers specifically ask to opt out. There is going to be a 'dirty word' scan of your internet searches and if you ask for the wrong thing you get a page telling you call a help number. I hope its not going to be like some of the filters they applied here in some libraries in the US where you got flagged for searching for breast cancer.

    The PM seems to be using the same 'save the children' we here in the US when conservatives want to crack down on something they morally disapprove of. Do we really want government to 'child proof' the world?
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    From what I heard, this is a phony policy. You can get past this "block" by agreeing that you want to see porn? What good is it then if all you have to do is check a box that you want your internet access unfettered?
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    Re: JUB banned in the UK?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    From what I heard, this is a phony policy. You can get past this "block" by agreeing that you want to see porn? What good is it then if all you have to do is check a box that you want your internet access unfettered?
    Because that will block a lot of content by default. Whenever someone has to take a step to view or not view content, opt in or opt out, that group will always be in the minority. It's just the nature of things.

    And that makes this censorship by default policy extremely harmful to the freedom of information of communication.

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    Re: JUB banned in the UK?

    But how will the children learn the ways of sex? If they're interested, they're gonna learn one way or another. Porn is a lot safer than actually experimenting.

    Then there's also the awkward "Mom, can you unblock porn?" and that invades on privacy. And then there would be other questions and possible repercussions. More sensitively this audience, if the child had to come out and possible fiasco.

    Sure, it's a quick call, but damnit, the lead-in sucks. So I think it's a misguided policy that only appeases micromanaging parents who want to shelter their kids.
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    Get used to the naked body , get used to having sex . Everyone has a body almost everyone has sex - both of your parents did making you so it cannot be unnatural , traumatic , dangerous . Sex education for children . Point that almost every single male and most women have masturbated to orgasm and not one can publically admit it . Not one . Personal story . At the age of 11 or 12 I was in bed just before going to sleep doing what I always did and ejaculated unexpectedly for the first time . It terrified me , this weird medical thing , and I recall later doing it and crying . Terrifying children and making them cry is not I think a good thing .This is what conservative puritanical anti-sexuality does , terrifies children and makes them cry . Big victory .
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    Re: JUB banned in the UK?

    Not just porno, but children will probably even be blocked from all food sites because somebody's talking about chicken BREASTS.

    Will an entire site be blocked because somebody uses the phrase "keep abreast"? (= "keep informed...")

    Maybe they'll even block gun sites because somebody mentions "cock" when preparing a rifle to shoot.

    At least that's how they'd do it in the United States. In some libraries with filters, it is IMPOSSIBLE for an adult woman to use a computer if she wants to learn about breast cancer.
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    Re: JUB banned in the UK?

    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    Get used to the naked body , get used to having sex . Everyone has a body almost everyone has sex - both of your parents did making you so it cannot be unnatural , traumatic , dangerous . Sex education for children . Point that almost every single male and most women have masturbated to orgasm and not one can publically admit it . Not one . Personal story . At the age of 11 or 12 I was in bed just before going to sleep doing what I always did and ejaculated unexpectedly for the first time . It terrified me , this weird medical thing , and I recall later doing it and crying . Terrifying children and making them cry is not I think a good thing .This is what conservative puritanical anti-sexuality does , terrifies children and makes them cry . Big victory .
    Laughs, I remember when that happened to me the first time too, wasn't terrifying for any puritanical reasons just such a sudden unexpected OMG! moment that scared the shit out of me.
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    The idea mentioned of building a profile of known child porn files to detect and track them over the web leaves me sort of conflicted. I think it is a good idea but fear it going to be just as problematic as any other attempt to track downloads over the internet and will wind up getting innocent people accused.
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    From what I've been told by my partner, if it does happen it won't be for long because pretty much every website is adult content. They have all registered their website as adult content so for example if kids in school are asked to search something on the internet then they wouldn't be able to get anything because it will just come up as having adult content, which means no school kid would be able to do any work at school on the computer, which also means they wouldn't be able to finish their work or do any research for homework or class work and every pupil's work will be unfinished so they wouldn't be able to go to college or university and the government wouldn't be able to get the majority of their money as that's where most of their wages come from and everyone will be unemployed.

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    I believe that the government has no business censoring the internet. This bull about protecting the children is just that, bullshit. It is and always has been the job of the parents to say what they will and will not allow their children to see. This whole "it takes a village" mentality is a joke. My mother watches a cable western channel a lot, and I am noticing that some of the shows that she says she watched as a child are now rated PG or PG-13. They weren't rated when she was a child, back then, they were for "All Audiences".

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    Re: JUB banned in the UK?

    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    Get used to the naked body , get used to having sex . Everyone has a body almost everyone has sex - both of your parents did making you so it cannot be unnatural , traumatic , dangerous . Sex education for children . Point that almost every single male and most women have masturbated to orgasm and not one can publically admit it . Not one . Personal story . At the age of 11 or 12 I was in bed just before going to sleep doing what I always did and ejaculated unexpectedly for the first time . It terrified me , this weird medical thing , and I recall later doing it and crying . Terrifying children and making them cry is not I think a good thing .This is what conservative puritanical anti-sexuality does , terrifies children and makes them cry . Big victory .
    I think you just unblocked a memory. I seem to have had that same terrifying experience. My mother was a strict Baptist mother and there was no way I could ask ANYONE about what just happened.
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    Re: JUB banned in the UK?

    Mobile phone company o2 did the same in the UK in the regarding 3g and not being able to get porn or sites 18 and over i couldn't even go on my betting site to place a bet for the horse racing till i called them and got it lifted was pretty painless tho

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    Re: JUB banned in the UK?

    This is all about canvassing votes and Cameron will succeed in winning a few more votes... the rest is a joke.

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    I really do hope he doesnt get elected this time round cant stand the man and what he has done he is just out to make the rich richer

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    The bigger problem is that once they know who does not want porn blocked, they go on a list for further surveillance, etc. Give an inch they'll take a mile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonnie1 View Post
    The bigger problem is that once they know who does not want porn blocked, they go on a list for further surveillance, etc. Give an inch they'll take a mile.
    This evening's news indicates that Cameron has been persuaded to consider second thoughts.

    Clearly this matter has not been sufficiently researched with Cameron back tracking in the face of criticism.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-8726991.html

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    Ah yes, politicians using the "to protect the children" excuse to further their political careers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cm98059 View Post
    I believe that the government has no business censoring the internet. This bull about protecting the children is just that, bullshit. It is and always has been the job of the parents to say what they will and will not allow their children to see. This whole "it takes a village" mentality is a joke. My mother watches a cable western channel a lot, and I am noticing that some of the shows that she says she watched as a child are now rated PG or PG-13. They weren't rated when she was a child, back then, they were for "All Audiences".
    It does take a village. But a village is people, interacting on their own; it isn't a warlord sending in soldiers.

    THose who want to censor things for people's "own good" don't believe in the village, only in the warlord.

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    Re: JUB banned in the UK?

    The US Supreme Court can't define pornography, or obscenity -- how do they expect politicians or companies to do so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    The UK government is evil! Topple it! Topple it with guns cum!
    Much more appropriate to the topic....

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    HA! Guns are appropriate to every topic
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    What is the big deal in having the filters on by default? If an adult wants to look at porn they simply have to turn the filter off, but a child either accidentally or intentionally trying to view porn will have it blocked. When I was in the UK and had an O2 data dongle, I simply had to go to their website, verify I was 18, and they removed their block from adult sites for the remainder of my time there. It wasn't a big hassle and after it was removed I could access what I wanted (and it didn't block anything but adult sites).

    I'm also in favor of the database of known child porn images being used to permanently block those images. There is no reason for child porn in any situation and anything that could be used to reduce the availability and catch those who make/distribute/provide it is OK in my book.

    Banning depictions of rape may be a bit extreme, but it's their country to do with as they see fit.

    Yes, it's the parents who should ultimately be monitoring their kids, but that's next to impossible anymore and even the best precautions taken at an individual level, short of denying kids complete access to the internet, isn't necessarily effective given the widespread availability of adult content. If something like this can be done to help supplement the parent's efforts, I don't see why it shouldn't be provided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    What is the big deal in having the filters on by default? If an adult wants to look at porn they simply have to turn the filter off, but a child either accidentally or intentionally trying to view porn will have it blocked. When I was in the UK and had an O2 data dongle, I simply had to go to their website, verify I was 18, and they removed their block from adult sites for the remainder of my time there. It wasn't a big hassle and after it was removed I could access what I wanted (and it didn't block anything but adult sites).

    I'm also in favor of the database of known child porn images being used to permanently block those images. There is no reason for child porn in any situation and anything that could be used to reduce the availability and catch those who make/distribute/provide it is OK in my book.

    Banning depictions of rape may be a bit extreme, but it's their country to do with as they see fit.

    Yes, it's the parents who should ultimately be monitoring their kids, but that's next to impossible anymore and even the best precautions taken at an individual level, short of denying kids complete access to the internet, isn't necessarily effective given the widespread availability of adult content. If something like this can be done to help supplement the parent's efforts, I don't see why it shouldn't be provided.
    In 2008 the New South Wales Supreme Court Justice Michael Adams declared that cartoon characters are 'people' in the context of relevant Australian laws and that the depiction of cartoon children (in this case Bart and Maggie Simpson) in a sexual context was child pornography. The owner of an admittedly tasteless joke cartoon of the Simpson children was subsequently found guilty of possessing child pornography and labeled with the scarlet letter of 'sex offender'.

    Now I personally agree with you that the people who make and distribute REAL child pornography (where real children are harmed) and the pedophiles they supply are the scum of the Earth. They should be hunted down and sent to jail for a long, long time. However, that in mind there are some jurisdictions (and if the far right morality police had their way there be more of them) where you could labeled as a pedophile because of your avatar. Which is why I'm always wondering when I hear a news story of someone charged with child porn on their computer, was it really images of children being abused or some fictional creation that involved no real children at all?

    You should see some of the hoops we had to jump through and finally lost concerning our role playing games in Second Life. Some of us had family groups in our game, parents and children in a medieval fantasy RP environment. It was really quite a fun and interesting aspect to the game play and there was nothing sexual about it at all. All the characters were played by adults who were participating in the game, but Second Life having to deal with so many differing national child pornography laws to deal with got just schizophrenic over what constituted child sex play. Things that had nothing to do with sex such as a child character being captured by the evil demon lord and detained in a jail cell to get at his good parents would get an entire role play SIM deleted with no appeal or refund to the sim owners. Most sim owners simply banned all child characters or even adult characters that might be mistake for a child, much to the loss of the richness it brought to the play.

    So while I despise child pornographers and pedophiles with every ounce of my being, I am still leery of who gets to define what is child porn in the law. As I joked in the opening, there are too many in positions of power that want to 'child proof' the world and to hell with reasonable adults. The same goes with forcing filters on folks who don't need them unless they 'opt out'. Too often opting out is too difficult or perhaps embarrassing, we have had our issues with trying to implement mandated filters on public library computer systems here in the US and found them fraught with problems, the classic case of the woman needing information on breast cancer being unable to get it because of the filter and the staff couldn't unlock it. By all means provide the filters for those that want them but why force them on everyone?
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    Re: JUB banned in the UK?

    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    What is the big deal in having the filters on by default? If an adult wants to look at porn they simply have to turn the filter off, but a child either accidentally or intentionally trying to view porn will have it blocked. When I was in the UK and had an O2 data dongle, I simply had to go to their website, verify I was 18, and they removed their block from adult sites for the remainder of my time there. It wasn't a big hassle and after it was removed I could access what I wanted (and it didn't block anything but adult sites).

    I'm also in favor of the database of known child porn images being used to permanently block those images. There is no reason for child porn in any situation and anything that could be used to reduce the availability and catch those who make/distribute/provide it is OK in my book.

    Banning depictions of rape may be a bit extreme, but it's their country to do with as they see fit.

    Yes, it's the parents who should ultimately be monitoring their kids, but that's next to impossible anymore and even the best precautions taken at an individual level, short of denying kids complete access to the internet, isn't necessarily effective given the widespread availability of adult content. If something like this can be done to help supplement the parent's efforts, I don't see why it shouldn't be provided.
    I wouldn't have any problem with opting out of protections. The only problem I could foresee would be the embarrassment of the person who decided that they should be the morality police questioning why I would want the filters lifted. But I don't agree that monitoring your own children is nearly impossible, if you have been involved with the child's training from the start. And when the child is old enough that he or she, usually a he, you talk to them about what porn is, and you also discuss the facts of sex. And if the child is looking for man on man sex, you might have to talk about a few more things.

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    London calling this F'n hypocrite we have here will not ban what is called " the page 3 girl" The Sun one of the worst tabloids in the world owned of course by Murdoch every day has a nude girl on page 3. The IQ of the majority who read it is 80 (and that's being nice) They leave the paper on a table the kids see it. That he wont ban but porn on line he wants to. Even though just like in the states there is no charge for software to stop your kids from seeing crap. Cameron needs to have a story to hide how bad he is running the country.

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