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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Because the color of people's skin still matters to way too many other people. Mostly "conservatives", so please spare us the "liberal comment" spiel.
    Spend one day watching TV news and see who brings up the people's skin color.

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    The past seven days were nice but I see it's come to an end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Because the color of people's skin still matters to way too many other people. Mostly "conservatives", so please spare us the "liberal comment" spiel.
    The Obamahaters use the phrase "typical liberal comment" to anything they don't like or understand. Most of the time it's the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post

    Spend one day watching TV news and see who brings up the people's skin color.
    Yes, because racists bring up color to advertise their racism. Seriously, guy?
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    Re: George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    If the family were white, that would not have been as strong a story as if they were black. You, of all people, are always bringing up race.
    Based on Zimmerman's history there is little evidence that he is intentionally racist. Multi-racial family and friends, dated a black girl in school, mentored black children, participated in civil rights protest of homeless black man's beating; there is simply little evidence to support that he is racist other than his profiling of Martin. The original police and FBI investigations both came to a conclusion that he profiled Martin based on how he was dressed and not his race. Even in the 911 call Zimmerman did not mention Martin's race in his descriptions until the operator asked him what it was.
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    That link says

    Still large reward for the 6 jurors names & pictures

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    The Obamahaters use the phrase "typical liberal comment" to anything they don't like or understand. Most of the time it's the latter.
    Typical liberal comment is what you just did Bob ... .you can't just let it lie.

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    Re: George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    I don't know much about this site, but somebody sent me an article...

    http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/tra...ators-of-death
    “Trained-Monkey Collaborators of Death”

    David Galland, Managing Director
    Well, the TITLE of the article makes me wonder a little bit, about what agenda may be behind this (and possibly the entire website)...
    But rather than being a "white racist,"...if anything, Zimmerman was an advocate for the black community.

    This from The Inquisitr…

    …George Zimmerman was one of the few non-black people that helped protest the beating of a black homeless man by the son of a Sanford police officer that was left unpunished. The twist to this story is that George Zimmerman asked the NAACP in Sanford for help, but he was shot down, claiming they didn't have the resources to help the homeless black man.

    So without the help of the NAACP George Zimmerman printed his own fliers and distributed them at black churches in the area.
    Posting this goes against my thoughts that "George Zimmerman gleefully did his profiling, and he has no regrets at all about the killing." (He HAS admitted that, too.) I find it interesting, though, that even the Zimmerman defenders in here (and elsewhere) have never mentioned this factoid - there has really been very little rebuttal to the perception that he's a seething racist.

    This makes the truth more confusing...though I am not swayed from thinking that, when he got out of the car to follow, he intentionally was confronting a situation that could become threatening, and his negligence (or unwise judgment) in doing so resulted in somebody being killed.

    I don't believe the testimony about his head being bashed over and over on the concrete, either, when it turned out that NONE of Zimmerman's DNA could be found anywhere on Martin...though I think it may also be very possible that there was no DNA testing of any kind on that night, either.
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    Re: George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You brought it up --- I only responded when you race baited.
    Since I am part African, I can do that, you can't! And, that is not baiting, it's stating a fact!
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    I don't know much about this site, but somebody sent me an article...

    http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/tra...ators-of-death

    Well, the TITLE of the article makes me wonder a little bit, about what agenda may be behind this (and possibly the entire website)...

    Posting this goes against my thoughts that "George Zimmerman gleefully did his profiling, and he has no regrets at all about the killing." (He HAS admitted that, too.) I find it interesting, though, that even the Zimmerman defenders in here (and elsewhere) have never mentioned this factoid - there has really been very little rebuttal to the perception that he's a seething racist.

    This makes the truth more confusing...though I am not swayed from thinking that, when he got out of the car to follow, he intentionally was confronting a situation that could become threatening, and his negligence (or unwise judgment) in doing so resulted in somebody being killed.

    I don't believe the testimony about his head being bashed over and over on the concrete, either, when it turned out that NONE of Zimmerman's DNA could be found anywhere on Martin...though I think it may also be very possible that there was no DNA testing of any kind on that night, either.
    Samples for DNA testing were not even taken from under Martin's fingernails.

    Don't forget that Martin rotund girlfriend offered the suggestion that Zimmerman was a gay rapist and might be interested in raping Martin's younger brother.

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    Re: George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    I don't know much about this site, but somebody sent me an article...

    http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/tra...ators-of-death

    Well, the TITLE of the article makes me wonder a little bit, about what agenda may be behind this (and possibly the entire website)...

    Posting this goes against my thoughts that "George Zimmerman gleefully did his profiling, and he has no regrets at all about the killing." (He HAS admitted that, too.) I find it interesting, though, that even the Zimmerman defenders in here (and elsewhere) have never mentioned this factoid - there has really been very little rebuttal to the perception that he's a seething racist.

    This makes the truth more confusing...though I am not swayed from thinking that, when he got out of the car to follow, he intentionally was confronting a situation that could become threatening, and his negligence (or unwise judgment) in doing so resulted in somebody being killed.

    I don't believe the testimony about his head being bashed over and over on the concrete, either, when it turned out that NONE of Zimmerman's DNA could be found anywhere on Martin...though I think it may also be very possible that there was no DNA testing of any kind on that night, either.
    I've brought up the issue and have been largely ignored on it which is why I'm finding HOW the people are responding to this so fascinating, they simply ignore the relevant details that don't fit the narrative they have built up about it. Looking at the details as a whole there is no real reason to think that Zimmerman is a racist or that he profiled Trayvon based on his race but racism continues to dominate the descriptions of him. Which is why this whole case is such an interesting study in profiling, not just because Zimmerman himself DID profile Martin but because almost everybody involved in it seems to be just as guilty of profiling, applying a pre-conceived notion of the two in their viewpoints.

    While the author disagrees with the juror's comment, I agree with it. I did want Zimmerman to be convicted of something, unfortunately murder (which implies deliberate intent) was never going to be it as there just wasn't adequate evidence that as the prosecution put it, 'Zimmerman WANTED to pull that trigger'. If the prosecution had not given in to the public hysteria and had built a case on negligent manslaughter or some other lesser charge they might have won the case. As it is Zimmerman is now free and escaping the punishment he deserves, because of all the people caught up in the cold blooded racist killer meme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Typical liberal comment is what you just did Bob ... .you can't just let it lie.

    Like I said...the Obamahaters always use that phrase when then don't like or understand the post and have nothing else to say. It s sad.

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    Re: George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    Based on Zimmerman's history there is little evidence that he is intentionally racist. Multi-racial family and friends, dated a black girl in school, mentored black children, participated in civil rights protest of homeless black man's beating; there is simply little evidence to support that he is racist other than his profiling of Martin. The original police and FBI investigations both came to a conclusion that he profiled Martin based on how he was dressed and not his race. Even in the 911 call Zimmerman did not mention Martin's race in his descriptions until the operator asked him what it was.
    OK, If I have said that he was racist I can change my opinion. Looking at this situation, he going after Trayvon like he did, just may be that he was trying to make points with the sheriff. Anything is possible.
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    Re: George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    OK, If I have said that he was racist I can change my opinion. Looking at this situation, he going after Trayvon like he did, just may be that he was trying to make points with the sheriff. Anything is possible.
    Highly likely, there is no doubt that he profiled Trayvon as a criminal. Some might argue that the profile fit the robbers who had been breaking into the neighborhood, I'm not going to bother. Whether it was right for him to profile him or not, following him was a stupid mistake which was a major contributor to the events that followed. I don't know if he was trying to make points with the sheriff or being an overzealous watchman or what but he set in motion the events that lead to a young man's death.
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    See this rhetoric is where I have a problem. You talk of "events transpiring", and "following", and "leading to a young man's death" as if somehow "events" killed Trayvon. No, it wasn't events that killed him, it was Zimmerman. He initiated a conflict and resolved it with a gun. And I think it's an attempt at washing that simple statement clear of blame by talking of "events" instead of the person who was the engine of those events.
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    Re: George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    See this rhetoric is where I have a problem. You talk of "events transpiring", and "following", and "leading to a young man's death" as if somehow "events" killed Trayvon. No, it wasn't events that killed him, it was Zimmerman. He initiated a conflict and resolved it with a gun. And I think it's an attempt at washing that simple statement clear of blame by talking of "events" instead of the person who was the engine of those events.
    I do try to choose my words carefully but then I'm trying to avoid the emotionalizing that is distorting case and feeding the very profiling that people are expressing. Of course now comes the accusations that I'm cold blooded because I'm trying to maintain a level of distance when trying to sort out the truth of what happened or that I want to understand the way people are reacting to it. None of that absolves Zimmerman of his actions but nice shot.
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    Re: George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    No, I know you are not absolving him, and I understand the intent. I just think that ultimately, the simple fact has inbuilt emotional charge that isn't and shouldn't be avoidable. It was unjust, and wrong, and pointless, and those DO carry emotional baggage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    See this rhetoric is where I have a problem. You talk of "events transpiring", and "following", and "leading to a young man's death" as if somehow "events" killed Trayvon. No, it wasn't events that killed him, it was Zimmerman. He initiated a conflict and resolved it with a gun. And I think it's an attempt at washing that simple statement clear of blame by talking of "events" instead of the person who was the engine of those events.
    If you had taken the time to watch or read about the trial, you would have learned that through testimony by eyewitnesses it was Martin who initiated the conflict.

    You are being emotional about the subject, which is understandable, but courts have to deal with facts.

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    Re: George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    Based on Zimmerman's history there is little evidence that he is intentionally racist..
    You don't know Zimmerman and neither do I. Other than the Police reports filed on him we don't know how he feels about people of other races and the encounters he may have had. Every Racist in the world will tell you he's not intentionally racist...So you can save that argument..

    George and his wife LIED to the court about not having all that FREE money sent to them electronically by LOSERS across the Country. The State charged his wife and she's probably gonna serve time. Do you not consider them both intentional Liars? You'll try to explain that away like you've been doing in this entire thread..

    We're getting the picture that you feel sorry for him and you've to come the conclusion that he's not an intentional racist & liar cuz you know his heart..You must have drooled over Juror-b37's CNN interview..B37 feels sorry for Georgey too and says she knows he has a GOOD heart..

    George is a LIAR and because he tells lies in a Calm manner he appears believable but the Smartest Psychopath knows how to work-over a naive Fool...The Prosecution knew the Disgusting Zimmerman's Lied to the court about that Free money that's why they listened in on their phone calls..I hope his Loser wife gets Prison time for wasting time on the Taxpayers dime..



    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    Multi-racial family and friends, dated a black girl in school, mentored black children, participated in civil rights protest of homeless black man's beating; .
    You're on a roll aren't you?...LOL...Who doesn't have a Multi-racial extended Family in 2013?...LOL....Most families in America have at least 1 or more relatives that date or married outside of their race and produced kids...Big deal....The heart of a Racist doesn't change because of that they have to WANT to change on their own.

    Where were these so called Black friends during the trial? Did you watch the trial? George made sure his opportunistic Best bud along with his white coworker/friends had their 15-min of Fame...They were his character witnesses, not any so called Black friends that you want to believe he has......

    "George says he dated a Black girl once, George said he helped Black kids and participated in a civil rights event."...

    ...All Hearsay...Every single bit of it is hearsay and NOTHING more...It was put out to the Public by The Defense & George's Big-bro before the trial..None of that had to be proven in Court cuz the judge said from the get-go that RACE wouldn't be discussed even though the Defense called on Witnesses to talk about how race played a role in the burglaries & could have played a role in the profiling & killing of Trayvon. You see Poor George had been calling the police on suspicous Black men for months and he was determined to nail him one even if it was his neighbors innocent teenage son...

    George's Brother told CNN that the Zimmerman children refer to themselves as White Hispanics. George's White Friends testified in his Favor. George's mother doesn't say that she's part Black Peruvian, she told Babs Walters that she's Peruvian. Is her dead mother part Black? Probably not and we'll never know the truth..I feel that whole family are nothing but LIARS.

    If the Zimmerman's thought they could get away with LYING to The Court about hidden money then you can't believe ANYTHING they throw at you...They are use to getting George out of the Shit he creates..Would they LIE for his Ass?..Absolutely....Gotta give'em credit for sticking together...


    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    The original police and FBI investigations both came to a conclusion that he profiled Martin based on how he was dressed and not his race. Even in the 911 call Zimmerman did not mention Martin's race in his descriptions until the operator asked him what it was.
    Do you know what code words are when it comes to racial profiling? When a Non-black person looks at a Black person walking along the sidewalk and refers to that Black individual as "they" & "they always get away"....It's Coded language....And once again you are naive if you believe Trayvon's RACE didn't factor into George's SICK head that night when he got his gun, followed that teenager, chose NOT to tell the kid who he was and got into a Fight.....What SANE person behaves like that in public?..I don't, you don't but George said FUCK THAT and Fuck the training he received..."I've got my gun and I'm not letting this one get away. I'm not waiting on the Police"......

    That IDIOT Killed his neighbor's son and the REAL Burglar(s) that got away are somewhere sipping on tea laughing at his Ass..The Burglars got away and so Did George...That's how the Law works sometimes....

    And look at Who's Dead? The young teen that was actually living in the SAME complex, just trying to make it home from the Gas station....




    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    If you had taken the time to watch or read about the trial, you would have learned that through testimony by eyewitnesses it was Martin who initiated the conflict.
    You are being emotional about the subject, which is understandable, but courts have to deal with facts.
    Jack you didnt watch most of the trial either. Eye witnesses testified that they heard arguing in the courtyard then some caught the middle and others caught the end of the fight...Not one person testified as to who threw the First punch. Juror B-37 saw George's video and she believes him when he stated that Trayvon started the fight...Once again she says she knows his heart...

    You're FREE to believe George's account but Trayvon is not here to tell his...George Lied to the Court about money and that alone should tell you he's not to be believed about anything...
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    Zimmerman was acquitted not because the jury believe he did the right thing but because Florida's insane stand your ground law is so poorly constructed that it would allow a highly trained marine to shoot a trick-or-treating kindergartener who 'threatened' him with his plastic pirate sword.

    That Zimmerman has supported black causes and dated black girlfriends only highlights how insidious the sort of racism which I suspect came into play with the shooting is. Fear of the different is ingrained in pretty much any culture around the world. In America, the culture of suspicion and fear of black people, particularly black men has a long and well documented history. It has been promoted by popular culture, exploited by politicians and those in the security industry (everything from gun sellers, to burglar alarm manufacturers to the prison industrial complex).
    It is easy to think that this form of racism is only a real problem with the overt, ignorant xenophobes wrapped in their flags and AR-15s who are blatantly racist in their everyday actions and speech. However, it is the more subtle, drip, drip of negative stereotypes absorbed through years of exposure to various media which will trigger the Zimmermans of this world to commit appalling crimes when the required set of circumstances crop up.
    I do believe that if Trayvon had been anything other than black he would be alive today. In a society which allows under-trained rent-a-cops to be armed and patrol in paranoiac gated communities where the default mentality is that a black man is a threat first and a person second, his killing was almost inevitable.
    The law needs to be changed along with the nation's damaged psychology.
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    Re: George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    If you had taken the time to watch or read about the trial, you would have learned that through testimony by eyewitnesses it was Martin who initiated the conflict.

    You are being emotional about the subject, which is understandable, but courts have to deal with facts.
    Actually what you get from the trial is that NOBODY knows who initiated the fight. The only word we have that Martin started it is Zimmerman's but Zimmerman's testimony is problematic, he is clearly exaggerating events, whether that is because he is lying or because he really doesn't remember (having had his head hit the concrete) is uncertain. Most of the folks are assuming the former but some of the stuff he has Martin saying during the fight is so outlandish that I have to wonder about the latter case. If Zimmerman really doesn't remember the details of the fight itself, then noone can possible know what happened.

    The only thing we do know with some certainty is the timeline built up not just from Zimmerman's testimony but from the physical evidence available to us, the location of the items Zimmerman dropped and the time hacks of the phone calls he, Martin and neighbors made. That timeline is where it gets sticky because it seems to support Zimmerman's account of the events leading up to the fight. It implies that Martin turned back and confronted Zimmerman when he could have continued moving towards his house and avoided him altogether. If that is the case we can't rule out that Martin struck first.

    If he did it almost certainly a case of Martin 'standing his ground' out of fear of Zimmerman. He had already labeled Zimmerman a 'creepy white cracker' and his friend labeled him a pedophile. It is possible that he saw the gun and reacted to that too, though I'm not sure why he wouldn't have been trying to get the gun away from Zimmerman if that was the case. It is really part of the Greek tragedy feel of the case when you look at it, it is possible both persons thought they were acting in self defense but it doesn't alter the fact that if Zimmerman had not made the first stupid mistake of following, the rest would have been moot.
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    Re: George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    You don't know Zimmerman and neither do I. Other than the Police reports filed on him we don't know how he feels about people of other races and the encounters he may have had. Every Racist in the world will tell you he's not intentionally racist...So you can save that argument..
    Absolutely correct, WE don't know Zimmerman. I can't say for certain he is a racist or not, I simply point out that there is not really any evidence that he is and that MULTIPLE parties provide anecdotal evidence that he is not. That the police, the FBI and the trial judge all felt based on the evidence that race was not a significant factor is telling regardless of what we want to believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    George and his wife LIED to the court about not having all that FREE money sent to them electronically by LOSERS across the Country. The State charged his wife and she's probably gonna serve time. Do you not consider them both intentional Liars? You'll try to explain that away like you've been doing in this entire thread..
    I rather think that Zimmerman is rather stupid and NOT a fount of truth. That doesn't show us though that he is a racist or a cold blooded murderer.

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    We're getting the picture that you feel sorry for him and you've to come the conclusion that he's not an intentional racist & liar cuz you know his heart..You must have drooled over Juror-b37's CNN interview..B37 feels sorry for Georgey too and says she knows he has a GOOD heart..
    Interesting, now you are profiling me even though you don't know me. I have to admit I haven't seen the interview with either of the jurors, I saw some of the reporting on it later but I wasn't aware that she said any of those things. The only detail I managed to gleam from the little I read was that she thought Zimmerman believed he was acting in self defense when he fired his gun.

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    George is a LIAR and because he tells lies in a Calm manner he appears believable but the Smartest Psychopath knows how to work-over a naive Fool...The Prosecution knew the Disgusting Zimmerman's Lied to the court about that Free money that's why they listened in on their phone calls..I hope his Loser wife gets Prison time for wasting time on the Taxpayers dime..
    Obviously the police and FBI need you to explain what they are doing wrong in their interrogation techniques. I guess you missed the testimony by the detective in the trial that he did try to trip up Zimmerman using standard techniques to catch a lie but didn't think that he was intentionally lying to them. Which is interesting considering that Zimmerman's account of the fight itself is exaggerated.

    One of the things they did was tell Zimmerman that a neighbor had recorded the entire fight on video, the idea that if a suspect thinks there is a video record of the crime, they will start changing their story to try and cover up the obvious lies. Zimmerman's reaction was not to change his story to thank God. Not the reaction of someone afraid he is going to be caught in a lie.

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    You're on a roll aren't you?...LOL...Who doesn't have a Multi-racial extended Family in 2013?...LOL....Most families in America have at least 1 or more relatives that date or married outside of their race and produced kids...Big deal....The heart of a Racist doesn't change because of that they have to WANT to change on their own.
    Not to this degree, he has immediate family members who he has dealt with his whole life and is by current standards Hispanic himself. Most folks immediate family members are usually all the same ethnic background.

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    Where were these so called Black friends during the trial? Did you watch the trial? George made sure his opportunistic Best bud along with his white coworker/friends had their 15-min of Fame...They were his character witnesses, not any so called Black friends that you want to believe he has......
    As you and I have both pointed out, race was not considered a significant factor at the trial. The prosecution did not attempt to nor did the defense need to argue against Zimmerman being a racist. But in answer to your question I submit Joe Oliver.

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    "George says he dated a Black girl once, George said he helped Black kids and participated in a civil rights event."...

    ...All Hearsay...Every single bit of it is hearsay and NOTHING more...It was put out to the Public by The Defense & George's Big-bro before the trial..None of that had to be proven in Court cuz the judge said from the get-go that RACE wouldn't be discussed even though the Defense called on Witnesses to talk about how race played a role in the burglaries & could have played a role in the profiling & killing of Trayvon. You see Poor George had been calling the police on suspicous Black men for months and he was determined to nail him one even if it was his neighbors innocent teenage son..
    Not proven but not disproven either and some of it would not be that hard to track down. Nobody who seems to have been in a position to actually know him or the authorities that looked into it seems to feel that he is a racist.

    This argument goes both ways, all you have to say he is a racist is that he profiled Martin (and other black youths) and guess what I'll agree that his race was a factor in that profiling. It is a very sad state of affairs that young black males are associated with crime in the US and there is no doubt that Zimmerman profiled Martin as a criminal and being black, if for no other reason than the break-ins that had occurred already, would have likely been a factor in that profiling.

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    George's Brother told CNN that the Zimmerman children refer to themselves as White Hispanics. George's White Friends testified in his Favor. George's mother doesn't say that she's part Black Peruvian, she told Babs Walters that she's Peruvian. Is her dead mother part Black? Probably not and we'll never know the truth..I feel that whole family are nothing but LIARS.

    If the Zimmerman's thought they could get away with LYING to The Court about hidden money then you can't believe ANYTHING they throw at you...They are use to getting George out of the Shit he creates..Would they LIE for his Ass?..Absolutely....Gotta give'em credit for sticking together...
    Spirits! A family that sticks together and supports each other! What awful people they must be!

    You really think they are lying about the racial makeup of their family?


    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    Do you know what code words are when it comes to racial profiling? When a Non-black person looks at a Black person walking along the sidewalk and refers to that Black individual as "they" & "they always get away"....It's Coded language....And once again you are naive if you believe Trayvon's RACE didn't factor into George's SICK head that night when he got his gun, followed that teenager, chose NOT to tell the kid who he was and got into a Fight.....What SANE person behaves like that in public?..I don't, you don't but George said FUCK THAT and Fuck the training he received..."I've got my gun and I'm not letting this one get away. I'm not waiting on the Police"......
    Taking a quick look at the transcript of Zimmerman's call "they" is used about five times, all of them except the one reference "they always get away" is referring to the police. Is he inferring the police were all black? That line itself is not referring to Martin directly but the criminals (plural) that had been breaking into the neighborhood, which as we all agree Zimmerman has profiled Martin as being one of. They being the appropriate pronoun for that reference, what should he have said if he was not a racist?

    All his references to Martin himself are 'he' and 'this guy' are they part of the code book too? When the operator asks:
    Dispatcher: Okay, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?
    Zimmerman: He looks black.
    This is the first mention of race in the call up until then it is "he" and "this guy". So "he looks black"? Doesn't exactly sound certain does he, yet has already at this point made his profiling of Martin.

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    That IDIOT Killed his neighbor's son and the REAL Burglar(s) that got away are somewhere sipping on tea laughing at his Ass..The Burglars got away and so Did George...That's how the Law works sometimes....

    And look at Who's Dead? The young teen that was actually living in the SAME complex, just trying to make it home from the Gas station....
    Truth! It is real tragedy. And despite some folks attempt to whitewash it, Zimmerman is not without blame for what happened. But it doesn't help to distort the truth of what happened by unduly demonizing him either. By focusing on this meme of him as the cold blooded racist killer without any real evidence to show that is actually undermining the real lessons that needs to learned from this. After all it becomes easy for the rest of us to excuse the insidious casual unconscious racism that associates black youths with crime in the US, if Zimmerman was a full out overt racist with a hate filled murderous intent to kill any black man he ran across.
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    Quote Originally Posted by levenshulme31 View Post
    Zimmerman was acquitted not because the jury believe he did the right thing but because Florida's insane stand your ground law is so poorly constructed that it would allow a highly trained marine to shoot a trick-or-treating kindergartener who 'threatened' him with his plastic pirate sword.
    Zimmerman was acquitted because the prosecutors gave in to public pressure and tried to convict him on a murder charge that there was simply not enough evidence to support. If they had built a case around negligent manslaughter from the beginning instead of desperately trying to insert it at the last minute after they actually got in the court and realized how weak their case was it might have been different. If this is really a case of murder, stand your ground would not apply anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by levenshulme31 View Post
    That Zimmerman has supported black causes and dated black girlfriends only highlights how insidious the sort of racism which I suspect came into play with the shooting is. Fear of the different is ingrained in pretty much any culture around the world. In America, the culture of suspicion and fear of black people, particularly black men has a long and well documented history. It has been promoted by popular culture, exploited by politicians and those in the security industry (everything from gun sellers, to burglar alarm manufacturers to the prison industrial complex).
    It is easy to think that this form of racism is only a real problem with the overt, ignorant xenophobes wrapped in their flags and AR-15s who are blatantly racist in their everyday actions and speech. However, it is the more subtle, drip, drip of negative stereotypes absorbed through years of exposure to various media which will trigger the Zimmermans of this world to commit appalling crimes when the required set of circumstances crop up.
    TRUTH! Which highlights what I was saying in my last post, all this focus on trying to make Zimmerman some racist hate filled demon is distracting from the real issues and worse gives those who want to ignore them an excuse to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by levenshulme31 View Post
    I do believe that if Trayvon had been anything other than black he would be alive today. In a society which allows under-trained rent-a-cops to be armed and patrol in paranoiac gated communities where the default mentality is that a black man is a threat first and a person second, his killing was almost inevitable.
    The law needs to be changed along with the nation's damaged psychology.
    I'm not sure I can totally agree, we all agree he profiled Martin and that race was likely a factor in that profiling but it wasn't the only one. The police and FBI investigations seem to suggest clothing and behavior were also significant factors. I'm think that if Trayvon would have been Hispanic or White, Zimmerman may have acted the same way but I can say for sure. As has been pointed out, we don't really know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    If you had taken the time to watch or read about the trial, you would have learned that through testimony by eyewitnesses it was Martin who initiated the conflict.

    You are being emotional about the subject, which is understandable, but courts have to deal with facts.
    Sorry, this is a lie. If I am being followed by some randomer, I would also confront him. It's absolutely natural and it is still the one stalking me that initiates the conflict.
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    I don't know if the information was posted in this thread last week or not but an Ohio Firearms Group sent George a check for $12,000...They feel sorry that the FBI won't return the Gun that killed Trayvon so they want him to get a Security system...

    gotta hand it to George, he was given $400,000+ before the trial and will make 10X's that after....Koch is paying his Legal fees...


    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    Absolutely correct, WE don't know Zimmerman. .
    Stardreamer what is your ethnicity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    If you had taken the time to watch or read about the trial, you would have learned that through testimony by eyewitnesses it was Martin who initiated the conflict.
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    This is a steaming pile of crap. If I'm walking down the street and someone jumps out of a truck with a loaded gun chasing after me, I'm going to try and fight him too. Zimmerman was the initiator.

    You may have watched the trial, but you didn't learn anything or understand what was presented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    Stardreamer what is your ethnicity?
    Near as I can figure, European mostly a mix of German, English, Scott and a little bit of Amerind. And if a friend of mine is right also a touch of the Tuatha de Danaan Sidhe and the Fae.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    This is a steaming pile of crap. If I'm walking down the street and someone jumps out of a truck with a loaded gun chasing after me, I'm going to try and fight him too. Zimmerman was the initiator.

    You may have watched the trial, but you didn't learn anything or understand what was presented.
    Martin didn't know Zimmerman had a gun until he was on top of Zimmerman and pounding his head into the concrete.

    Since when do we ignore facts as presented to a impartial jury and judge on the basis of emotion and not the law?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post

    Martin didn't know Zimmerman had a gun until he was on top of Zimmerman and pounding his head into the concrete.

    Since when do we ignore facts as presented to a impartial jury and judge on the basis of emotion and not the law?
    Pounding his head into the concrete? Riiiiiight...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Martin didn't know Zimmerman had a gun until he was on top of Zimmerman and pounding his head into the concrete.

    Since when do we ignore facts as presented to a impartial jury and judge on the basis of emotion and not the law?
    We really only have Zimmerman's testimony that his gun was not drawn and I pointed out before the problem with Zimmerman's testimony. So we don't know for certain that the gun was not visible. There are a couple of points that weigh against it being out, one was that Zimmerman was carrying a flash light AND talking on a cell phone up until he turned back towards his car so if he pulled the gun before the fight started, Martin was not likely to have seen it until after he turned to confront Zimmerman. But if he was aware of the gun going into the fight wouldn't he have been trying to get the gun? No way to know for sure but it was likely the gun was not drawn prior to the fight starting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Pounding his head into the concrete? Riiiiiight...
    Not surprised ... you ignored the testimony that didn't fit your agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Martin didn't know Zimmerman had a gun until he was on top of Zimmerman and pounding his head into the concrete.

    Since when do we ignore facts as presented to a impartial jury and judge on the basis of emotion and not the law?
    How do you know that unless you were Martin?

    You're basing your decision on emotion and what the right wing wants you to believe instead of reality. Typical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Pounding his head into the concrete? Riiiiiight...
    That's something the right wing excels at: blaming the victim and defending the predator .

    1) It's Martin's fault he's dead. He was "pounding Zimmerman's head" on the concrete. Never mind that Zimmerman was chasing Martin with a loaded gun.

    2) It's the poor's fault they're poor. They're just lazy and don't want to work hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    That's something the right wing excels at: blaming the victim and defending the predator .

    1) It's Martin's fault he's dead. He was "pounding Zimmerman's head" on the concrete. Never mind that Zimmerman was chasing Martin with a loaded gun.

    2) It's the poor's fault they're poor. They're just lazy and don't want to work hard.
    Who's poor? Just because Martin was black does not mean he was poor. Bob that is about the most racist statement I've ever read in JUB. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Who's poor? Just because Martin was black does not mean he was poor. Bob that is about the most racist statement I've ever read in JUB. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Oh Christ, there you go again.... I wasn't referring to Martin that he was poor and and you know it. You're the one who made the connection.

    Stop making trouble you troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    I found this, re the staged rescue. It does show pix of a white family and one sheriff is supposed to be related to crash mom? Said to be a rumor. I'll let y'all pick it apart!! As I know some of you will.

    http://newsball.com/exclusive-pictur...was-it-staged/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Not surprised ... you ignored the testimony that didn't fit your agenda.
    My "agenda" is that of those two people one was looking for conflict and one wasn't, and the one who wasn't is now dead. Do you or do you not deny this?

    And I was just laughing about the picture of the meth-head black ghetto thug brutally attacking the upstanding neighborhood watch citizen that's positively dripping from every post of yours here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Who's poor? Just because Martin was black does not mean he was poor. Bob that is about the most racist statement I've ever read in JUB. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Please don't embarrass yourself with those glaringly obvious attempts at misdirection. NOBODY takes your accusations of racism seriously. Ever. Just stop please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Please don't embarrass yourself with those glaringly obvious attempts at misdirection. NOBODY takes your accusations of racism seriously. Ever. Just stop please.
    No redirection. Read Bob's statement -- he was referring to Martin -- why else would he talk about 'the poor' -- it's liberal code talk for blacks.

    Bob's true feelings were exposed.

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    No, "blacks" is liberal code for blacks. "Poor" is code for poor. See, unlike you guys, we don't have to mask our true feelings because we don't hate everyone who isn't white, male and Christian

    So keep trying to "expose" us and we'll keep laughing at you. Deal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    No, "blacks" is liberal code for blacks. "Poor" is code for poor. See, unlike you guys, we don't have to mask our true feelings because we don't hate everyone who isn't white, male and Christian

    So keep trying to "expose" us and we'll keep laughing at you. Deal?
    Don't feed the troll.

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