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    George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    Zimmerman helped to rescue a family of four Wednesday after their their car ran off the road and flipped over.

    George Zimmerman helps rescue family from car wreck
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    ^ He's still a killer, Stardreamer. A man can perform good deeds, and still be responsible for the death of another that he has not answered for. If you want to add this story as somehow an indication of innocence, then I am disturbed by the motives here.
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    George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    Police say George Zimmerman helped rescue a family trapped in an overturned vehicle off a Florida highway last week, Zimmerman's first known public sighting since his acquittal in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.
    The incident occurred on July 17 in Sanford, Fla., near the intersection of Interstate 4 and State Road 46, officials confirmed to NBC News. The rescue was first reported by ABC News.
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    Re: Trayvon's Killer Goes Free

    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    ^ He's still a killer, Stardreamer. A man can perform good deeds, and still be responsible for the death of another that he has not answered for. If you want to add this story as somehow an indication of innocence, then I am disturbed by the motives here.
    I think he is just a man, not a devil or an angel but some seem to think he is the former. He made some stupid decisions the result of which contributed to the negligent manslaughter of a young man, possibly in self defense but contributed to by his own actions. If so many were not so anxious to make more of it than it actually was, racing to judge the man as a homicidal racist demon despite the fact that the evidence didn't support that 'profile' of him, he might of been convicted of what he actually did instead, he got off because of the over zealousness of the those who wanted to profile him as a racist gun nut.

    I'm just posting the story since it popped up in my headlines a moment ago, and posted it since he is the subject of the thread. All and all this has been a rather interesting case on the subject of profiling since it seems everyone involved in it, even the spectators like ourselves are guilty of profiling others. Zimmerman profiled Martin as a burglar; Martin profiled Zimmerman as a "creepy white cracker"; his girl friend profiled Zimmerman as a Homosexual, pedophile and a rapist; defenders of Martin profiled Zimmerman as a cold blooded, violent, racist killer; defenders of Zimmerman profiled Martin as a drug abusing thug. The thing is while some of these profiles, like all such stereotypes, have some circumstantial evidence to them, none of them that I can see is really correct. It has also been interesting to watch here and in the general debate how each side focuses on the things that support their profile while ignoring those that don't.
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    Re: Trayvon's Killer Goes Free

    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    ^ He's still a killer, Stardreamer. A man can perform good deeds, and still be responsible for the death of another that he has not answered for. If you want to add this story as somehow an indication of innocence, then I am disturbed by the motives here.


    "and still be responsible for the death of another that he has not answered for".....He has answered, he plead not guilty, there was a trial, and he was acquitted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fly View Post

    "and still be responsible for the death of another that he has not answered for".....He has answered, he plead not guilty, there was a trial, and he was acquitted.
    Yeah, and only a cynical and mostly racist minority believes that to be true.

    I don't think he's a devil but I refuse to accept the "oh, we're all human and make mistakes" premise implied here. This man is scum and threat to his fellow men. That he walks free, is a tragic failure of the legal system.
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    And they survived?

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    From what i've read, George is guilty of manslaughter and should be jailed.


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    Re: George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Yeah, and only a cynical and mostly racist minority believes that to be true.

    I don't think he's a devil but I refuse to accept the "oh, we're all human and make mistakes" premise implied here. This man is scum and threat to his fellow men. That he walks free, is a tragic failure of the legal system.
    So anyone who disagrees with your profile of Zimmerman, including the jury in the trial are all racists?
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    Sounds like he's got himself a publicist.

    He's a murdering scumbag.

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    Re: George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    So anyone who disagrees with your profile of Zimmerman, including the jury in the trial are all racists?
    Actually, if we reading-comprehend what I wrote, we will discover that the "racist" comment is for the apologists who claim he is innocent. Whether the LAW finds him innocent and whether he IS in fact innocent, are two very different things. We can argue about the particulars that led the LAW to determine that he was innocent, but as far as morals go, he is, as eloquently pointed above me - a murdering scumbag.

    And yes, frankly, I don't see a logical non-racist/profiling reason for people not to agree with this statement. Sue me.
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    Re: George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    Wouldn't it have been supreme irony if the family in the wreck had 'stood their ground' and shot Zimmerman?

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    Re: George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Actually, if we reading-comprehend what I wrote, we will discover that the "racist" comment is for the apologists who claim he is innocent. Whether the LAW finds him innocent and whether he IS in fact innocent, are two very different things. We can argue about the particulars that led the LAW to determine that he was innocent, but as far as morals go, he is, as eloquently pointed above me - a murdering scumbag.

    And yes, frankly, I don't see a logical non-racist/profiling reason for people not to agree with this statement. Sue me.
    And yet that statement is not based on a logical examination of the evidence but on a profile you and others have built on Zimmerman. The prosecution based its charges on that same profile and with fatal consequences for their case. This summed it up best:
    Jules Epstein, a law professor at Widener University School of Law in Wilmington, Del., said the prosecutor may have erred by charging second-degree murder. The charge requires proof of an evil state of mind, but the evidence "seemed to show bad judgment and then an event that spiraled out of control," Epstein said.
    Zimmerman verdict no surprise to many lawyers

    The man may be a scumbag, I don't know since I don't know him but there is little evidence that he is a cold blooded murder. Nor does a cursory examination of his history show any indication of racism, in fact exactly the opposite, he was raised in a multi-racial home, dated an African American girl in school, tutored African American children and participated in a protest against the son of a local official beating an homeless African American man. In the case itself the issue of race only came up from the police operator and Martin himself who used a racial epitaph to refer to Zimmerman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BENDERBOY View Post
    Sounds like he's got himself a publicist.

    He's a murdering scumbag.
    My thoughts exactly---he created a tragedy--he killed an innocent kid---he's guilty of something. And if the kid was white in a sports jacket---he's be alive---no doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycguydowntown View Post
    My thoughts exactly---he created a tragedy--he killed an innocent kid---he's guilty of something. And if the kid was white in a sports jacket---he's be alive---no doubt.
    In my opinion, he is guilty of negligent manslaughter. Unfortunately the best chance we had for him going to jail for that has been blown by the pressure of the all folks who wanted him to be guilty of more than that who pressured the state to try for a case there was never evidence to support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nycguydowntown View Post
    My thoughts exactly---he created a tragedy--he killed an innocent kid---he's guilty of something. And if the kid was white in a sports jacket---he's be alive---no doubt.
    What if he was a white kid wearing a hoodie?
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    it amazes me on how ignorant and foolish most of you are on here.
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    Re: George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    What if he was a white kid wearing a hoodie?
    That's just petty.

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    Wouldn't it have been supreme irony if the family in the wreck had 'stood their ground' and shot Zimmerman?
    The family defense would be ...


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    Has it been reported that the family was black? That would be a story to tell. BTW correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Not Guilty different from innocent?
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    Re: George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    In my opinion, he is guilty of negligent manslaughter. Unfortunately the best chance we had for him going to jail for that has been blown by the pressure of the all folks who wanted him to be guilty of more than that who pressured the state to try for a case there was never evidence to support.
    I may be overly cynical, but why do I think that the State INTENTIONALLY blew the case (by going after charges they couldn't support, not rebutting the defense, etc.), and that the prosecution actually wanted to see Zimmerman walk?
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    I may be overly cynical, but why do I think that the State INTENTIONALLY blew the case (by going after charges they couldn't support, not rebutting the defense, etc.), and that the prosecution actually wanted to see Zimmerman walk?
    I wouldn't be a bit surprised!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    A true American hero, that one...
    Let the healing begin!

    Today, the beatification. Tomorrow, America's only living saint! Zimmerman should become the "political consultant" on Fox. Speaking engagements, book deals. Awesome dude!

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    Re: George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    Exactly how did this racist murderer "rescue" this family? He was there when they climbed out of their wrecked vehicle.

    Zimmerman must be a jinx. People suffer / die when he's nearby.

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    Re: George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    Of course, the only "proof" of this was a police report by the same cops who elevated Zimmerman to sainthood. Where are the witnesses? In the face of countless death threats, Zimmerman exposed himself publicly to perform a good deed? This sounds like a public relations stunt.

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    Re: George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    I presume the family in the overturned vehicle was white.

    Otherwise, Zimmerman would probably have shot them.

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    And they survived?
    They weren't wearing hoodies, nor otherwise acting suspicious.

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    Re: George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    The family defense would be ...
    ....that Zimmerman 'approached them in a threatening manner' and that we was 'advancing towards them in a menacing way'. Now if only they ordered him to stop and he didn't, then it would be case closed. Also, he was 'invading their private property' (the car) and furthermore, it could be alleged that he was going to rob them or steal something.

    Let's face it, with the sheer vagueness and generality of the Stand Your Ground law, all of that could have been justification. The only other scenario stronger than this (I regret to say) is if it was a rich white family in the wrecked car, and a black man tried to rescue them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    ...furthermore, it could be alleged that he was going to rob them or steal something.
    That's a good point.

    Zimmerman is said to be partly Hispanic. Therefore, it would be reasonable to suppose that he was approaching the family in the car with malicious intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    That's just petty.
    How so, I suspect if Trayvon was wearing a suit or sports jacket Zimmerman would have profiled him differently so you loaded your statement by saying a white dressed in a sport jacket. Of course the person wearing a sport jacket would be alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    I may be overly cynical, but why do I think that the State INTENTIONALLY blew the case (by going after charges they couldn't support, not rebutting the defense, etc.), and that the prosecution actually wanted to see Zimmerman walk?
    As I recall the conversation on this board last winter, they went for what the majority on this board thought were the right charges, so I think they reacted to the public pressure not to any desire to blow the case. And I said back then that if they reacted to the public pressure and went for the more serious charges they risked blowing the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    How so, I suspect if Trayvon was wearing a suit or sports jacket Zimmerman would have profiled him differently so you loaded your statement by saying a white dressed in a sport jacket. Of course the person wearing a sport jacket would be alive.
    Wasn't me actually. And no, I do believe that a white kid in a hoodie would have been just as safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Exactly how did this racist murderer "rescue" this family? He was there when they climbed out of their wrecked vehicle.

    Zimmerman must be a jinx. People suffer / die when he's nearby.
    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    I presume the family in the overturned vehicle was white.

    Otherwise, Zimmerman would probably have shot them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    All and all this has been a rather interesting case on the subject of profiling since it seems everyone involved in it, even the spectators like ourselves are guilty of profiling others. Zimmerman profiled Martin as a burglar; Martin profiled Zimmerman as a "creepy white cracker"; his girl friend profiled Zimmerman as a Homosexual, pedophile and a rapist; defenders of Martin profiled Zimmerman as a cold blooded, violent, racist killer; defenders of Zimmerman profiled Martin as a drug abusing thug. The thing is while some of these profiles, like all such stereotypes, have some circumstantial evidence to them, none of them that I can see is really correct. It has also been interesting to watch here and in the general debate how each side focuses on the things that support their profile while ignoring those that don't.
    Wow that profiling theory seems to be gathering up quite a bit of supporting evidence in this thread.
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    Re: George Zimmerman Helped Rescue Family

    So the family that was rescued, the Gerstles, was to have a press conference to comment on the event and I assume to express their thanks to their rescuers. However, they have now canceled the appearance and are begging the press to respect their privacy. Based on the comments released by the lawyers they are afraid that hatred and death threats will be directed their way for saying anything positive about Zimmerman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    So the family that was rescued, the Gerstles, was to have a press conference to comment on the event and I assume to express their thanks to their rescuers. However, they have now canceled the appearance and are begging the press to respect their privacy. Based on the comments released by the lawyers they are afraid that hatred and death threats will be directed their way for saying anything positive about Zimmerman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Waxing gloriously over murderers isn't too complementary for yourself.
    (Laughs) They seem to have a point.
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    Actually, I am finding this phenomenon of how people profile on this subject of this man and then pigeon hole the information they absorb to fit that profile while ignoring any facts that don't fit it just utterly fascinating. I mean how else can saying that someone is a stupid idiot who got in over his head and is guilty of negligent manslaughter because of it, be translated as 'waxing gloriously' over them. (laughs). If I were inclined in that direction I think there would a wonderful psychology paper in this. I really wonder how many people would publicly come out and express hatred, if not actual threats, to this family for doing nothing more than expressing their thanks to a man who helped them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    So the family that was rescued, the Gerstles, was to have a press conference to comment on the event and I assume to express their thanks to their rescuers. However, they have now canceled the appearance and are begging the press to respect their privacy. Based on the comments released by the lawyers they are afraid that hatred and death threats will be directed their way for saying anything positive about Zimmerman.
    Thanks for finding the name of the family. It helps understanding what is going to go on for decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Has it been reported that the family was black? That would be a story to tell. BTW correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Not Guilty different from innocent?
    Typical liberal comment. Why does the color of their skin matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    I may be overly cynical, but why do I think that the State INTENTIONALLY blew the case (by going after charges they couldn't support, not rebutting the defense, etc.), and that the prosecution actually wanted to see Zimmerman walk?
    Frank if you watched the trial you'd know that the prosecution did not have a strong case. It was evident from the testimony of the first witness.

    The prosecution was based on political pressure -- not facts. It's not the way our legal system should work.

    People have forgotten this . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Typical liberal comment. Why does the color of their skin matter.
    If the family were white, that would not have been as strong a story as if they were black. You, of all people, are always bringing up race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Typical liberal comment. Why does the color of their skin matter.
    Because the color of people's skin still matters to way too many other people. Mostly "conservatives", so please spare us the "liberal comment" spiel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    BTW correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Not Guilty different from innocent?
    The prosecution is saying "He's guilty". The jury either agrees he's guilty, or says no, he's not guilty.

    In reality, the court doesn't care if anyone's innocent, they just go through a process.

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    The standard is, Innocent until proven guilty. So if the prosecution fails to prove the accused guilty...he's innocent. No matter how much people piss and moan.
    It doesn’t make any difference if you say innocent or not guilty. It's just a game of semantics.
    People who believed him guilty before the trial, now want to scream "he was found "not guilty" but he's still not "innocent".
    He may have been guilty of something, (negligent manslaughter..?) but he was innocent of the garbage he was charged with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fly View Post
    The standard is, Innocent until proven guilty. So if the prosecution fails to prove the accused guilty...he's innocent. No matter how much people piss and moan.
    It doesn’t make any difference if you say innocent or not guilty. It's just a game of semantics.
    People who believed him guilty before the trial, now want to scream "he was found "not guilty" but he's still not "innocent".
    He may have been guilty of something, (negligent manslaughter..?) but he was innocent of the garbage he was charged with.
    That's the legal standard, not the moral one. Zimmerman won't be any less of a murderer whatever the law says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    If the family were white, that would not have been as strong a story as if they were black. You, of all people, are always bringing up race.
    You brought it up --- I only responded when you race baited.

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    I found this, re the staged rescue. It does show pix of a white family and one sheriff is supposed to be related to crash mom? Said to be a rumor. I'll let y'all pick it apart!! As I know some of you will.

    http://newsball.com/exclusive-pictur...was-it-staged/

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    EXCLUSIVE PICTURES of the white family that hero George Zimmerman “SAVED” from a car in flames – or was it STAGED?
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