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    They dropped their bombs WHERE?

    I'm sure we've all heard of the Great Barrier Reef, that unique phenomenon of our planet that falls in Australia's stewardship. And I'm sure we're all aware that the US Navy conducts exercises with the Australian navy in Australian waters.

    Well, now it seems that naval exercises and the Great Barrier Reef have intersected:

    Two American fighter jets dropped four unarmed bombs into Australia's Great Barrier Reef Marine Park last week, when a training exercise went wrong, the US Navy said, angering environmentalists.
    To be fair, they tried to keep damage to a minimum:

    The two AV-8B Harrier jets, launched from the aircraft carrier USS Bonhomme Richard, each jettisoned an inert practice bomb and an unarmed laser-guided explosive bomb into the World Heritage-listed marine park off the coast of Queensland state on Tuesday, the US 7th Fleet said in a statement on Saturday. The four bombs, weighing a total 1.8 metric tons (4,000 pounds), were dropped into more than 50 meters (164ft) of water, away from coral, to minimize possible damage to the reef, the statement said. None exploded.
    To be more fair, it wasn't a planned part of the exercises:

    The jets, from the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit, had intended to drop the ordnances on the Townshend Island bombing range, but aborted the mission when controllers reported the area was not clear of hazards. The pilots conducted the emergency jettison because they were low on fuel and could not land with their bomb load, the Navy said.

    I just have a few questions:

    Don't they think about the possibilities of such things ahead of time?
    Don't they check an area for hazards before they launch the fighters?

    And importantly...

    Is there a way to go retrieve the things?

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    Re: They dropped their bombs WHERE?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I just have a few questions:

    Don't they think about the possibilities of such things ahead of time?
    Yes, by the obvious fact they knew where the reef was and dropped away from it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Don't they check an area for hazards before they launch the fighters?
    Fully loaded they have about 45 mins in the air if there is no refueling available. However, after launch you can have a radar contact pop up, a marine vessel cannot get clear in the requisite time usually due to slow speed of advance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    And importantly...

    Is there a way to go retrieve the things?
    Yup EOD and slavage divers do it all the time. Yet I dont know what water it was dropped in and typically western pacific coastal shelves drop off rather rapidly. They could be in such a depth of water that it is unrealistic to recover the inert ordnance.
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    Re: They dropped their bombs WHERE?

    Oops -- I forgot to give the source!

    Here it is.

    It doesn't sound like the dropped away from the reef, they just (hopefully) missed the coral.

    I'm wondering what "more than 50 meters of water" really tells us. Did they land 51m deep, or 500?

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    Re: They dropped their bombs WHERE?

    Any way you look at it a sorry balls up performance.

    They get tired of Isla de Vieques, P.R.?

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    Re: They dropped their bombs WHERE?

    Excuse me... they drpped away from the coral reef... what other freaking reef is there.. lol

    Plus you will find the fifty fathom curve is typically where everything rather rapidly drops off... they dumped after the 25 fathom curve. So damage would be minimum but damage there is no doubt. I imagine Australia will have to define its war game boundaries better. I have no doubt where they dumped was agreed to before hand as is the dumping location for every exercise I have been involved in....
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    Re: They dropped their bombs WHERE?

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Any way you look at it a sorry balls up performance.

    They get tired of Isla de Vieques, P.R.?
    Maybe they could hold their exercises in the China Sea.

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    Re: They dropped their bombs WHERE?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Excuse me... they drpped away from the coral reef... what other freaking reef is there.. lol

    Plus you will find the fifty fathom curve is typically where everything rather rapidly drops off... they dumped after the 25 fathom curve. So damage would be minimum but damage there is no doubt. I imagine Australia will have to define its war game boundaries better. I have no doubt where they dumped was agreed to before hand as is the dumping location for every exercise I have been involved in....
    Maybe they could use coral-friendly bombs....

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    Re: They dropped their bombs WHERE?

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Any way you look at it a sorry balls up performance.

    They get tired of Isla de Vieques, P.R.?
    Since I was just there: yes. The US military retreated from Vieques in 2004.
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    Re: They dropped their bombs WHERE?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Maybe they could hold their exercises in the China Sea.
    We do that and the Chinese call us 'provocative'...... wellll I never!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Maybe they could use coral-friendly bombs....
    Actually we will quite often sink ships to extend coral reefs, consider these small bit of ordnance generous extensions....
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    Re: They dropped their bombs WHERE?

    Quote Originally Posted by Corny View Post
    Since I was just there: yes. The US military retreated from Vieques in 2004.
    Plus we operate around the globe usually at the request of the host countries. They like being trained in the newest tactics from our tacticians. and Vieques was a bombing designated island where real ordnance went ca-boomy.
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    Re: They dropped their bombs WHERE?

    Quote Originally Posted by Corny View Post
    Since I was just there: yes. The US military retreated from Vieques in 2004.
    Lucky for you someone remembered.

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    Re: They dropped their bombs WHERE?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    We do that and the Chinese call us 'provocative'...... wellll I never!!
    I see naval uniforms as rather conservative.

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    Re: They dropped their bombs WHERE?

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    Re: They dropped their bombs WHERE?

    The bombs have been located and extraction efforts will be made.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environme...-bombs-located

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