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    Re: Food Stamp Recipients Buy Barrels to Ship Food-Stamp food Overseas.

    99% of the people on food stamps need it and use it to feed there families things like this happen and are always blow out of proportion by right wing pigs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambdaboy View Post
    99% of the people on food stamps need it and use it to feed there families things like this happen and are always blow out of proportion by right wing pigs!
    You have your stereotypes, we have ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cm98059 View Post
    Um, The only one being uncivilized here was you, Benvolio. And it isn't just in this thread. You are the only one I see calling people names and being incivil.
    I challenge you to find an instance when I called someone here a name.

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    Yes. Let those poor people go hungry and die. How dare they eat the food produced by the republican job creators and reducing their profits. If you're poor it's your own fault. God decided you need to be poor.

    It's all immigrants fault. It's all Obama's fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    You have your stereotypes, we have ours.
    Thank you for openly admitting that you are working on the basis of stereotyping. It is always nakedly obvious that this is the narrative handed down to you by your overlords...but usually you dodge and weave in order not to admit that you work from personal unfounded bias to paint a group in such broad brush strokes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Thank you for openly admitting that you are working on the basis of stereotyping. It is always nakedly obvious that this is the narrative handed down to you by your overlords...but usually you dodge and weave in order not to admit that you work from personal unfounded bias to paint a group in such broad brush strokes.
    Alas, your policies and laws are based on unfounded biases, which are often obviously wrong. Your stereotypes are destroying our country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Thank you for openly admitting that you are working on the basis of stereotyping. It is always nakedly obvious that this is the narrative handed down to you by your overlords...but usually you dodge and weave in order not to admit that you work from personal unfounded bias to paint a group in such broad brush strokes.
    Yep. He just admitted he's stereotyping people.

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    Re: Food Stamp Recipients Buy Barrels to Ship Food-Stamp food Overseas.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Or alternatively, they are willing to go to bed hungry so that they can send food to their families who are even worse off than they are.

    Seriously, your lack of compassion is an affront to humanity. What exactly did you think people would say in this thread? Did you expect some other result when you posted it, or did you just want to see how repulsed you can make us?
    Also seriously, if the GOP uber-wealthy like Romney had even a tenth of the compassion today's "conservative's" love to claim, we wouldn't need food stamps in the first place. That's repulsive enough.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Also seriously, if the GOP uber-wealthy like Romney had even a tenth of the compassion today's "conservative's" love to claim, we wouldn't need food stamps in the first place. That's repulsive enough.
    That's one of the things I find so bizarre with the republican party. They claim to be the party of God. Didn't even Newt Gingrich claim if Jesus was alive today he would "vote republican"..? Yet they're so heartless when it comes to the disadvantaged. Today's republican party should be repulsed their antics but since republican politicians pretend to care about their voices they follow along. Republicans are clever enough to exploit their self described "sheep" analogy.

    In reality all the republican party cares about is keeping wealthy, white, heterosexual males ... wealthy and in power. They'll court any group for their votes... christians, gun lovers, the greedy and paranoid. Republicans pit group against group, American against American. Exploiting fears and prejudices, they use these to cling to power. The evil communists, gays, immigrants, minorities, women, Muslims have all been (and still are) victims of the republicans.

    When you read posts like the OP types out, it's obvious they've succumbed to republican propaganda.

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    Re: Food Stamp Recipients Buy Barrels to Ship Food-Stamp food Overseas.

    I don't agree with the premise that we all have stereotypes. Sure, it IS true - we all do - but there is a vast difference between the stereotypes we have. While I may think bad things of ALL conservatives, I am also capable of seeing when those stereotypes fail and don't apply to people I meet or see in the news. And I think NOBODY on the left believes in such base and frankly mentally deficient stereotypes as the ones peddled here, using fairy tale terms like "evil", "hate America" etc. For example, I don't believe Republicans hate women. I just think they love control and dogma. And nor do I think they hate poor people. They just love money and couldn't give a fuck about those they take it from.
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    Re: Food Stamp Recipients Buy Barrels to Ship Food-Stamp food Overseas.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I challenge you to find an instance when I called someone here a name.
    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I never expect civility from a liberal. Name calling is how they think. It is, for most of them, central to their thinking process. BUT for those who keep complaining that I do not respond, my point is that they cannot expect a response to incivility.
    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I assure you that I am much more revolted than you. This entire policy of flooding our country with poor unemployed millions and moving them immediately into the permanent welfare underclass is more revolting to me than you can imagine. 47% of Americans receive some form of welfare, not including Medicare, and 100 million receive food stamps, but we are still bringing in more, and the biggest item on Obama's agenda is legality for 11 million illegals. What did Americans do to cause liberals to hate our country so much?
    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Taxpayers should not be expected to support the whole world on charity. Our domestic welfare should not be so lucrative that they can ship it overseas.in another thread liberals are weeping because the GOP wants to limit food stamps. We should give them jobs and eliminate welfare as an alternative life style.
    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    While liberals fret that 100 million receiving food stamps is not enough, New York food stores sell barrels so immigrants can ship food-stamp food overseas.http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...sldSAjDVC9isjM
    You brandish the word Liberal like a sword. Everyone who disagrees with you gets painted with this broad brush you use. You are probably the worst offender when it comes to name calling in every single thread you post in. And don't even try to tell me that calling everyone who disagrees with you a liberal isn't name calling, because that is bullshit. Now, why don't you go sit in the corner and lick your wounds and let us adults talk.

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    Re: Food Stamp Recipients Buy Barrels to Ship Food-Stamp food Overseas.

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    That's one of the things I find so bizarre with the republican party. They claim to be the party of God. Didn't even Newt Gingrich claim if Jesus was alive today he would "vote republican"..? Yet they're so heartless when it comes to the disadvantaged. Today's republican party should be repulsed their antics but since republican politicians pretend to care about their voices they follow along. Republicans are clever enough to exploit their self described "sheep" analogy.

    In reality all the republican party cares about is keeping wealthy, white, heterosexual males ... wealthy and in power. They'll court any group for their votes... christians, gun lovers, the greedy and paranoid. Republicans pit group against group, American against American. Exploiting fears and prejudices, they use these to cling to power. The evil communists, gays, immigrants, minorities, women, Muslims have all been (and still are) victims of the republicans.

    When you read posts like the OP types out, it's obvious they've succumbed to republican propaganda.
    If you read the bible, Jesus sat quietly outside the "Church" and braided himself a whip then went inside the church and cleaned house of the temple whores and money changers. If he were here today, he would be doing the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cm98059 View Post
    You brandish the word Liberal like a sword. Everyone who disagrees with you gets painted with this broad brush you use. You are probably the worst offender when it comes to name calling in every single thread you post in. And don't even try to tell me that calling everyone who disagrees with you a liberal isn't name calling, because that is bullshit. Now, why don't you go sit in the corner and lick your wounds and let us adults talk.
    I am surprised to learn that you consider "liberal" to be a name calling insult. If you were honest, you would admit that you could not find an instance of name calling on my part. If you had dug deeper you would have found instances in which I called many of you Democrat. Is that another name calling?
    But you really missed my point. If I cared what you liberals and Democrats think of me I would not be here. I don't respect you that much. My point was that people who complain that I do not always respond to their posts should know that an uncivil question or post is not likely to get a response.

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    Re: Food Stamp Recipients Buy Barrels to Ship Food-Stamp food Overseas.

    ^ It is pretty clear that you must be getting paid to haunt this forum.

    Fortunately for all of us, we neither need nor want your respect. It would be a black mark of dishonour to have your approbation.

    I know that you are very careful not to call posters names in order to ensure that you avoid the ban hammer and are permitted to keep doing your 'job'. It is the mark of someone who has read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

    The most accomplished on this site have demonstrated an almost pathological ability to not put a foot wrong in order to fight another day.

    What fascinates me is the staying power. It is clear that you have no chance of attracting anyone else to your cause or point of view on this board. It is clear that most of us have nothing but contempt for your view of society and your inability to argue honestly or even logically.

    And yet day after day, you report for duty in order to reinforce our low opinion. If you aren't getting paid by the hour or by the post.....it is a complete mystery as to why JUB was selected to be the bully pulpit for your one dimensional obsession about immigration.

    This thread was an epic fail for you.

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    In part, I am here to study the strange, hostile, destructive psychology that is "liberalism", and, yes, it is a psychology and mind set, not a philosophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    In reality all the republican party cares about is keeping wealthy, white, heterosexual males ... wealthy and in power. .
    That statement is positively dripping with wealth envy and class envy, which is hardly surprising, considering its source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cm98059 View Post
    If you read the bible, Jesus sat quietly outside the "Church" and braided himself a whip then went inside the church and cleaned house of the temple whores and money changers. If he were here today, he would be doing the same thing.
    When I first read that account in the Greek I was floored by the sense of anger conveyed. Just think how long one would have to remain angry while fashioning a ship out of the cords used to tie shut small animals cages!

    BTW, to Him it wasn't "church", it was His Dad's house, and those jerks were in the guest reception room.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Food Stamp Recipients Buy Barrels to Ship Food-Stamp food Overseas.

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    That statement is positively dripping with wealth envy and class envy, which is hardly surprising, considering its source.
    Which is another way of saying "Rich people are superior and poor people are jealous scum". There are objective things to be envious of, but they don't make the US laws that benefit ONLY the rich any better for the country as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    That statement is positively dripping with wealth envy and class envy, which is hardly surprising, considering its source.
    Oh my Henry. You are so wrong. You may be fascinated by robber barons and vulture capitalists with their shiny wealth and lifestyle, but I'm not.

    I'll give you a little lesson: A person who buys up companies, rips them apart, fires the workers and runs away with millions for himself isn't someone to envy, it's someone to despise. Someone who inherited millions from their wealthy parent didn't work for that money, it was handed to them. They're also not someone to admire.

    The person to respect is someone who started with nothing and through hard work built a fortune and a successful life. You know, like our President Barack Obama. And he'll be our President for a few more years too. Just enough time to clean up the mess left for him by the one who was handed everything by his Daddy and his cronies, you know.... the one you should despise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Oh my Henry. You are so wrong. You may be fascinated by robber barons and vulture capitalists with their shiny wealth and lifestyle, but I'm not.

    I'll give you a little lesson: A person who buys up companies, rips them apart, fires the workers and runs away with millions for himself isn't someone to envy, it's someone to despise. Someone who inherited millions from their wealthy parent didn't work for that money, it was handed to them. They're also not someone to admire.

    The person to respect is someone who started with nothing and through hard work built a fortune and a successful life. You know, like our President Barack Obama. And he'll be our President for a few more years too. Just enough time to clean up the mess left for him by the one who was handed everything by his Daddy and his cronies, you know.... the one you should despise.
    So many stereotypes-- and so very wrong.

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    Re: Food Stamp Recipients Buy Barrels to Ship Food-Stamp food Overseas.

    Is this the most specific you can be in response? I'd read a little more detail on where Bob is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Is this the most specific you can be in response? I'd read a little more detail on where Bob is wrong.
    I asked a similar question which mysteriously vanished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    . You know, like our President Barack Obama. And he'll be our President for a few more years too. Just enough time to clean up the mess left for him by the one who was handed everything by his Daddy and his cronies, you know.... the one you should despise.
    Not with the GOP determined to keep the country from recovering until there's a Republican president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    In part, I am here to study the strange, hostile, destructive psychology...
    It all makes sense now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I am surprised to learn that you consider "liberal" to be a name calling insult. If you were honest, you would admit that you could not find an instance of name calling on my part. If you had dug deeper you would have found instances in which I called many of you Democrat. Is that another name calling?
    But you really missed my point. If I cared what you liberals and Democrats think of me I would not be here. I don't respect you that much. My point was that people who complain that I do not always respond to their posts should know that an uncivil question or post is not likely to get a response.
    Allow me to give you a clue and an English lesson. The words Liberal, Republican, and Democratic are all adjectives. Adjectives can be given a positive or negative connotation by their usage. It is the usage of the word in each context that determines how the adjective I being used. When YOU use the word liberal it is being spat out as an epithet.

    Personally, I do not consider the word to be name calling, I consider the word to be an adjective. It is in the implication of YOUR use of the word that lends the offensiveness to the word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cm98059 View Post
    Personally, I do not consider the word to be name calling, I consider the word to be an adjective. It is in the implication of YOUR use of the word that lends the offensiveness to the word.
    Like, the lack of actual cognitive content?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    When I first read that account in the Greek I was floored by the sense of anger conveyed. Just think how long one would have to remain angry while fashioning a ship out of the cords used to tie shut small animals cages!

    BTW, to Him it wasn't "church", it was His Dad's house, and those jerks were in the guest reception room.
    Yes, to him, it was his "Father's House" but to the Money Changers and Pharisees, the Temple of Wealth, and they found a way to profiteer by creating a barrier between the people and their Master, and set up their fleecing operation in the Lobby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cm98059 View Post
    Yes, to him, it was his "Father's House" but to the Money Changers and Pharisees, the Temple of Wealth, and they found a way to profiteer by creating a barrier between the people and their Master, and set up their fleecing operation in the Lobby.
    But it wasn't the lobby -- it was for Gentile visitors.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    If they have food to give away they have more than they need. They should give it back to the taxpayers. Politicians use the full power of the state to confiscate the earnings of some to give it to others, on the pretense that they desparately need food. This scam discredits the entire scheme.
    In generalized basic economic terms, do you perceive that entities involved in a transaction should be disallowed from receiving a benefit that exceeds an amount that is fairly and reasonably necessary for their survival? Or to put the question another way~ In what circumstances is an entity to a transaction entitled to reap a reward that is greater than the relative value of their effort or claim as compared to the value of the effort or claim of the other entity (or entities) involved in that transaction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    In generalized basic economic terms, do you perceive that entities involved in a transaction should be disallowed from receiving a benefit that exceeds an amount that is fairly and reasonably necessary for their survival? Or to put the question another way~ In what circumstances is an entity to a transaction entitled to reap a reward that is greater than the relative value of their effort or claim as compared to the value of the effort or claim of the other entity (or entities) involved in that transaction?
    According to Benvolio, only the rich can reap a reward from a transaction. If anyone else reaps a reward from a transaction, they're just stealing it from the rich and it should be given back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    In generalized basic economic terms, do you perceive that entities involved in a transaction should be disallowed from receiving a benefit that exceeds an amount that is fairly and reasonably necessary for their survival? Or to put the question another way~ In what circumstances is an entity to a transaction entitled to reap a reward that is greater than the relative value of their effort or claim as compared to the value of the effort or claim of the other entity (or entities) involved in that transaction?
    It is not a transaction. It is charity. Others have to work for money, only to have it confiscated by the government under threat of imprisonment and then given to others on the theory that they need it more than those who earned it. But, as we see, the beneficiaries of the charity are getting more than they need, so they ship it or sell it out of the country. It is simply one more abuse among many abuses of the welfare system, which is creating a permanent welfare/crime underclass. When we are assured that Americans don't want to do low pay work, so we need immigrants, it is in large part because the welfare system gives them an easier alternative to work. And, yes the welfare people vote Democrat for the promise of more welfare at other people's expense.
    Last edited by Benvolio; July 25th, 2013 at 03:49 AM.

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    The important thing to note about the article Benvolio cites is that it is completely devoid of any reliable evidence and is one of the sloppiest pieces of drivel passing for journalism I have seen in a very long time. The evidence in the article consists of nothing but anecdotal and unsubstantiated hearsay by unnamed sources. Here is the complete evidence the article offers:
    Still, New Yorkers say they ship the food because staples available in the States are superior and less costly than what their families can get abroad.

    “Everybody does it,” said a worker at an Associated Supermarket in Prospect Lefferts Gardens, Brooklyn. “They pay for it any way they can. A lot of people pay with EBT.”

    Customers pay cash for the barrels, usually about $40, and typically ship them filled with $500 to $2,000 worth of rice, beans, pasta, canned milk and sausages.

    Workers at the Pioneer Supermarket on Parkside Avenue and the Key Food on Flatbush Avenue confirmed the practice.

    They said food-stamp recipients typically take home their barrels and fill them gradually over time with food bought with EBT cards.

    When the tubs are full, the welfare users call a shipping company to pick them up and send them to the Caribbean for about $70. The shipments take about three weeks.

    Last week, a woman stuffed dozens of boxes of macaroni and evaporated milk into a barrel headed for her family in Kingston, Jamaica. She said she didn’t have welfare benefits and bought the food herself.
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...sldSAjDVC9isjM

    Perhaps, Benvolio, you can point out a shred of reliable evidence in the above section that even remotely justifies the wildly misleading headline and conclusions in this article.

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    I would say that the a person who gives charity to another and then expresses dismay because that person shares that charity with others in need, is not a charitable person but a person with a small heart and small mind. There is nothing in the story that suggests that the folks sharing THEIR food with THEIR FAMILY is selling their benefits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    I would say that the a person who gives charity to another and then expresses dismay because that person shares that charity with others in need, is not a charitable person but a person with a small heart and small mind. There is nothing in the story that suggests that the folks sharing THEIR food with THEIR FAMILY is selling their benefits.
    It is charity with confiscated money. It is charity with other people's money. And the question we are talking about is your assumption that the recipients are "in need". To the extent that they can give it away without having to use it themselves, they are not "in need". It is just part of the vast welfare scam. Twice as many people have begun receiving food stamps under Obama as have gotten jobs.http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/gregor...administration

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    Quote Originally Posted by palemale View Post
    The important thing to note about the article Benvolio cites is that it is completely devoid of any reliable evidence and is one of the sloppiest pieces of drivel passing for journalism I have seen in a very long time. The evidence in the article consists of nothing but anecdotal and unsubstantiated hearsay by unnamed sources. Here is the complete evidence the article offers:


    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...sldSAjDVC9isjM

    Perhaps, Benvolio, you can point out a shred of reliable evidence in the above section that even remotely justifies the wildly misleading headline and conclusions in this article.
    The evidence is unsworn, conclusory, and circumstantial. But it is not subject to legal standards of proof and is not, in my opinion, misleading. It is certainly enough to justify an investigation.

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    ^ It is appallingly sloppy and incendiary. It could be argued that the Protocols of the elders of Zion meet the same criteria as you cite as justifying an investigation.

    Epic, epic fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palemale View Post
    The important thing to note about the article Benvolio cites is that it is completely devoid of any reliable evidence and is one of the sloppiest pieces of drivel passing for journalism I have seen in a very long time. The evidence in the article consists of nothing but anecdotal and unsubstantiated hearsay by unnamed sources.
    It just doesn't matter to them. THIS is what we are left with once they seek out sources based, not on veracity, but on a confirmation of their own pre-conceived conclusions

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    Re: Food Stamp Recipients Buy Barrels to Ship Food-Stamp food Overseas.

    ANECDOTE ALERT - (I can't help myself)

    One of my psychotic aunts was convinced that when the needy are given free cheese, they take it and sell it for drugs.

    In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The evidence is unsworn, conclusory, and circumstantial. But it is not subject to legal standards of proof and is not, in my opinion, misleading. It is certainly enough to justify an investigation.
    There is no evidence. Some guy in one store says "everybody does it." The writer claims workers in two other supermarkets confirmed the practice without quoting what they said, or even paraphrasing what they said. This isn't evidence. It fails to meet journalistic standards, much less legal standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palemale View Post
    There is no evidence. Some guy in one store says "everybody does it." The writer claims workers in two other supermarkets confirmed the practice without quoting what they said, or even paraphrasing what they said. This isn't evidence. It fails to meet journalistic standards, much less legal standards.
    Nevertheless, it is more than sufficient to warrant a investigation. The stores don't stock those shipping barrels just to keep them on the shelves. They know very well what they are for. And if people on food stamps ship food, even a liberal should see that, one way or the other, the taxpayers are subsidizing the scheme.worts of all, it encourages more people to come and get welfare too. Wait till they find out unmarried women can get a nice income just by getting pregnant.
    Last edited by Benvolio; July 25th, 2013 at 08:54 AM.

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    That should read " Worst of all....."

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    Re: Food Stamp Recipients Buy Barrels to Ship Food-Stamp food Overseas.

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    In generalized basic economic terms, do you perceive that entities involved in a transaction should be disallowed from receiving a benefit that exceeds an amount that is fairly and reasonably necessary for their survival? Or to put the question another way~ In what circumstances is an entity to a transaction entitled to reap a reward that is greater than the relative value of their effort or claim as compared to the value of the effort or claim of the other entity (or entities) involved in that transaction?
    Or to put it another way:

    different people perceive their needs in different ways. So what is being argued is that everyone should conform.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Food Stamp Recipients Buy Barrels to Ship Food-Stamp food Overseas.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    And, yes the welfare people vote Democrat for the promise of more welfare at other people's expense.
    I know a good number of "welfare people" just down the road who would grab a rifle and tell you to get the fuck off their property with your God-damned insults if you said that in their presence.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Food Stamp Recipients Buy Barrels to Ship Food-Stamp food Overseas.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    It is charity with confiscated money. It is charity with other people's money. And the question we are talking about is your assumption that the recipients are "in need". To the extent that they can give it away without having to use it themselves, they are not "in need".
    No, it's called "acting in compliance with the law".

    According to the law, those receiving food stamps are people in need.

    And once anyone receives something, it's theirs, so they can do with it as they please within the law.


    You need to learn some basic ethics. And you need to stop being a hypocrite: when corporations and the super-wealthy act within the law to take advantage of every advantage they can gain under the law, you consider them heroes, but when private citizens do the same, you condemn them.

    Tell you what -- you go live in such a way as to qualify for food stamps, and do so for two years, and the come back ad tell us about "need".

    Oh -- and go find some actual sources with some actual facts, before saying anything more on this topic. Given the "evidence" you presented us, all we have is material designed to help the evil GOP agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The evidence is unsworn, conclusory, and circumstantial. But it is not subject to legal standards of proof and is not, in my opinion, misleading. It is certainly enough to justify an investigation.
    So until there's an investigation, stop talking like you know something.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Food Stamp Recipients Buy Barrels to Ship Food-Stamp food Overseas.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Nevertheless, it is more than sufficient to warrant a investigation. The stores don't stock those shipping barrels just to keep them on the shelves. They know very well what they are for. And if people on food stamps ship food, even a liberal should see that, one way or the other, the taxpayers are subsidizing the scheme.worts of all, it encourages more people to come and get welfare too. Wait till they find out unmarried women can get a nice income just by getting pregnant.
    "Nice income"?

    As someone who had the honor to be a member of an honest Pro-Life organization, I testify that you're full of shit: those women got every advantage the law provided, every aid program they could qualify for, and it wasn't even enough to live on -- which is why I had the great honor of delivering checks on a regular basis to pay expenses for them so they could afford to have their babies and take care of them.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    No, it's called "acting in compliance with the law".

    According to the law, those receiving food stamps are people in need.

    And once anyone receives something, it's theirs, so they can do with it as they please within the law.


    You need to learn some basic ethics. And you need to stop being a hypocrite: when corporations and the super-wealthy act within the law to take advantage of every advantage they can gain under the law, you consider them heroes, but when private citizens do the same, you condemn them.

    Tell you what -- you go live in such a way as to qualify for food stamps, and do so for two years, and the come back ad tell us about "need".

    Oh -- and go find some actual sources with some actual facts, before saying anything more on this topic. Given the "evidence" you presented us, all we have is material designed to help the evil GOP agenda.

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    So until there's an investigation, stop talking like you know something.
    If you will go back to the original articles, you will see appropriate officials quoted that it is not allowed. If they can give it away, they don't need it and should not get it. Let the taxpayers keep their earnings.

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    Re: Food Stamp Recipients Buy Barrels to Ship Food-Stamp food Overseas.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Nevertheless, it is more than sufficient to warrant a investigation.
    No, actually, it isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    "Nice income"?

    As someone who had the honor to be a member of an honest Pro-Life organization, I testify that you're full of shit: those women got every advantage the law provided, every aid program they could qualify for, and it wasn't even enough to live on -- which is why I had the great honor of delivering checks on a regular basis to pay expenses for them so they could afford to have their babies and take care of them.
    That is not the issue. The question is whether the expectation of the monthly payment provides an incentive for some.

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    How is that "not the issue"? You are claiming here that people on foodstamps live in some undeserved luxury. Kulindahr is telling you that's anything but true and your response is that that's not the issue? O.o
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