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    Canada should buy Detroit.

    So after decades of mismanagement, Detroit has finally folded. What surprises me most of all is that the State of Michigan did nothing to prevent its fall. They were acting like Detroit was on another planet, or at least in another state, when they had all the means at their disposal to pass laws that would have reigned in the idiots out of control.

    And even now they wash their hands of it. They should be dissolving city council, assuming control of the city and its debts, and providing good government.

    But if they don't want to, I think the US should sell Detroit to Canada. Like any takeover, we'd go in there with modern management methods and restore a damaged asset. I'm sure we could do a good job of it. It's conveniently bordering our country so it wouldn't even be complicated. We'd just go in and start doing it properly, with new civic government and new accountability.

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    Re: Canada should buy Detroit.

    Rob Ford could be mayor.

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    Re: Canada should buy Detroit.

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Rob Ford could be mayor.
    LOL. Touché, monsieur. Tou. Ché.
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    Re: Canada should buy Detroit.

    Fun geographical anomaly fact of the day:

    Detroit is one of the very few places on the border where you go SOUTH to cross into Canada. Same applies for adjoining Windsor, Ontario. From there you go NORTH to reach mainland U.S. Wierd, eh?

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    Re: Canada should buy Detroit.

    Detroit's bankruptcy represents a great triumph for the labor unions. It's industries were once the among most successful in the world. But they were squeezed and squeezed by the unions to a total victory.

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    Re: Canada should buy Detroit.

    It is rather simple minded to connect the unions and the city, while not realizing that the big three haven't left the city. I agree plenty of things could have been accepted by the city from the state but they were not. Things like assuming control of the cities parks system.

    The astonishing thing is that most corporations do bankruptcy and then have a cash infusion of some sort. Detroit has no such cash cow on the horizon. They will simply alleviate debt and then have the unenviable task of luring business to the town. In the end we will be talking about the amazing success of the city in a decade. They get something many cities do not: relief from the burden of previous debt. Very low cost, higher performing charter schools, world class international airport... sounds like a great deal to me.
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    Re: Canada should buy Detroit.

    jayhawk, how will they go from "no cash cow" and "unenviable task" to "amazing success?"
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    Re: Canada should buy Detroit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Detroit's bankruptcy represents a great triumph for the labor unions. It's industries were once the among most successful in the world. But they were squeezed and squeezed by the unions to a total victory.


    What planet are you living on?

    They were indeed amongst the most successful industries in the world, but guess what? In modern, ultra-corporate, runaway-capitalist U.S.A., the mere thought of giving any rights to blue-collar, low-class workers sends a collective shiver down their spines. Do you realise how much they are HATED by the all-powerful financial/investment/monetary/economic right of your country?

    Ask yourself this: what sort of conditions do they ideally prefer for manufacturing and industrial workers? You need only look to the dirt-poor and often tyrannical countries where those jobs have been shipped. Do you think for one moment they'd be allowed to get away with that sort of slave labour in America? Do you not think they wouldn't have tried to get away with it in your country WERE IT NOT for the unions?

    I hear similar bullshit rhetoric over here in the U.K. from Cameron and the Tories. Enough of the propaganda war against organisations advocating for decent human rights for those in work.

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    I guess, at this point, it'd be cheaper than firing their cannons and getting us to surrender again.

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    Damn those unions for not allowing $1 an hour pay! If only they'd get out of the way of corporations buying people as slaves, business would bloom and unicorns would be prancing on the streets!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Damn those unions for not allowing $1 an hour pay! If only they'd get out of the way of corporations buying people as slaves, business would bloom and unicorns would be prancing on the streets!
    Unicorns could already prance in the streets if it wasn't for that god-damned government red tape making everyone have to register their unicorns!
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    Re: Canada should buy Detroit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Detroit's bankruptcy represents a great triumph for the labor unions. It's industries were once the among most successful in the world. But they were squeezed and squeezed by the unions to a total victory.
    One of the stupidest things you've ever typed. By this reasoning, Oshawa Ontario should also be bankrupt.

    I agree with Bankside. Sell Detroit to Canada for a dollar and we'll have it back to being a socialist workers' paradise in no time.

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    We tend to forget that until the 60s the US auto industry had virtually no competition domestically and was dominant world wide. Detroit was the center and there were many more companies and brands than now, with some of the best paid work force in the world. But they were at the mercy of the unions who never can stop squeezing and demanding ever more. This created the opportunity for foreign competion with lower expenses. Our heavy industry is just a shadow of what it was at the end of World War II, and Detroit is just an example of that decline. GM exists only because taxpayer money was injected for the unions to squeeze. Itis by no means certain that it will survive.

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    Re: Canada should buy Detroit.

    Michigan republican governor Rick Snyder fails again.

    The main reason the republicans used bankruptcy for Detroit was to get rid of the unions and pensions.

    There is no Democracy in Michigan. It's a dictatorship.

    Canada, you can have Detroit if you want it. Just no giving back. Take Rick Snyder with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    Fun geographical anomaly fact of the day:

    Detroit is one of the very few places on the border where you go SOUTH to cross into Canada. Same applies for adjoining Windsor, Ontario. From there you go NORTH to reach mainland U.S. Wierd, eh?
    Thanks for the mini-geography lesson. Velly interesting.
    Move Detroit to the south of Windsor and it would look like it is still in the US.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    jayhawk, how will they go from "no cash cow" and "unenviable task" to "amazing success?"
    The alleviated debt will allow them to offer tax and land (plenty of that) benefits to business desiring to be there. I can see businesses finding opportunity there. They can only go in one direction from where they are...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Michigan republican governor Rick Snyder fails again.

    The main reason the republicans used bankruptcy for Detroit was to get rid of the unions and pensions.

    There is no Democracy in Michigan. It's a dictatorship.

    Canada, you can have Detroit if you want it. Just no giving back. Take Rick Snyder with you.
    Oh, he didn't fail AT ALL in his personal mission. Now his goons have the legal arrangement to steal the pensions of the city workers, which he's had his eyes on for years - no doubt they'll cook the books and hide assets so that the disbursement to creditors will be only a fraction of the proceeds from liquidating the city. I understand, as well, that they have their eyes on looting the DETROIT INSTITUTE OF ARTS (a world class Art Museum). Those who are working on the liquidation will likely walk away financially set for life, and the creditors - especially the "unsecured" ones such as workers - will be screwed by the teabaggers again.

    The Detroit Symphony Orchestra, too, is probably something else they consider to be frivolous fluff - no doubt THAT will be disbanded as part of the austerity in their feifdom.

    When they're done with Detroit, NOBODY will want to live there, because all of the culture treasure and heritage of a once-great city will be destroyed, stolen, or sold. I don't trust them one bit, under the emergency management, to do the right thing for Detroit, because **THEY HATE THAT CITY** - it provides all those awful Democratic votes. They want it to be a Santorum state in 2016. (No, I don't think he's finished...)
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    Re: Canada should buy Detroit.

    Emblazoned on Detroit’s city seal is the Latin phrase, “Speramus Meliora; Resurget Cineribus.” Coined in the wake of an 1805 fire that leveled much of the city, it’s equally relevant more than two centuries later. The translation: “We hope for better things; it will arise from the ashes.”
    While I do not live in the city there are plenty of folks attempting to save that city and eventually it will pay off.

    read this for information on many of them: http://www.governing.com/topics/urba...roit.html#next
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    No one will "steal" the pensions. The plan is to reduce the taxpayers slavery to the beaurocrats. The problem exists in many cities. The unions use their votes and dues money to elect their friends to city councils who then repay the unions with enormously inflated pension plans. The people do not realize the plot until years later when the pensions have to be paid.

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    Re: Canada should buy Detroit.

    Are we talking just the incorporated part? That would be tricky, given that there's an unincorporated hunk in the middle of the incorporated!

    Better the just buy the whole east end of Wayne County.

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