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    Re: If you are gay, would you date a bisexual ?

    I don't think I would want to date a bisexual guy. Because based on my observations, bisexual people always tend to end up with the opposite gender.


    I just don't want to be dumped by a guy for a girl instead.

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    Re: If you are gay, would you date a bisexual ?

    Quote Originally Posted by travis82 View Post
    I just don't want to be dumped by a guy for a girl instead.
    Are you for real? First of all, what does it matter you got dumped for a boy or a girl? The important and sad thing is that you got dumped (which I hope it´ll never happen in your life, I´m serious). It sounds so sexist, really.

    After the first pages of general acceptance, the latest post sent me back to the JUB from a few years ago when in every topic about bisexuality, bisexuals ended up being (in the eyes of the ones who posted here) nothing but cheaters, unfaithfuls, confused sad homosexuals.

    Not dating someone because history threw you in the wrong hands? I had my fair shair of bad experiences with gays, should I judge anyone based on that? I had them with girls too but I´ve have never stereotyped them.
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    Wow, 7 pages in 4 days? That's pretty impressive.
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    Re: If you are gay, would you date a bisexual ?

    Yes. I would. Derek, ya hear me?

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    Re: If you are gay, would you date a bisexual ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    In my experience, this is an abstracted value that tends to disintegrate whenever one is the personal friend of someone who has been deceived. The philosophy that begins as libertarian ends in subjective condemnation of the liar/deceiver.
    Oh, that is so not true in my world. Where does this come from with you?


    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    The popularity of the sanction of anything "between consenting adults" is invoked in matters of law.
    In this instance, that's all I'm interested in, love. Until it's on the book, the rest is all subjective.

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    Re: If you are gay, would you date a bisexual ?

    In my experience, this is an abstracted value that tends to disintegrate whenever one is the personal friend of someone who has been deceived. The philosophy that begins as libertarian ends in subjective condemnation of the liar/deceiver.
    In my experience...I believe that there are interpersonal dynamics at play in every relationship that we know nothing about and can never know anything about and I always reserve my judgement as I am well aware of that. I do not take sides...I know better. Instead...I encourage my friends to try to avoid living as a victim. I know there are two sides in every relationship and I can never know their "truth" as it isn't mine so grabbing the torch and pitchfork and joining the other townsfolk is just not my thing.

    For instance...a pathological manipulative person who has psychologically abused their husband or wife can come off smelling like a rose and if I HAD TO JUDGE I would find more fault in the abusive person than the one who sought to escape. Shame, guilt and fear are three very powerful tools and they are used in countless relationships to manipulate and control ....

    The popularity of the sanction of anything "between consenting adults" is invoked in matters of law. The phrase has real meaning when decriminalizing adultery, sodomy, fetishism, etc. When one uses it to argue that a society should HAVE no morality, it's a different thing entirely
    That is the argument often used against gay people...I think "consenting adults" is a perfect moral line in the sand.

    For example, the vast majority of JUB members would argue that it is immoral to have sex with an animal, whether bestiality is a crime on the books or not, whether the animal in question was "consenting" or not. There it is: morality certainly exists on issues of sexuality (if not relationship) and it is a broad consensus, and on a subject where there is no "victim" per se.
    Animals cannot consent.

    How much more so we can and SHOULD have convictions concerning the treatment of a partner in a relationship.
    Until you walk in their shoes...we can never know what kind of treatment happens in any relationship behind closed doors.

    Morality isn't the preserve of prudes or the religious or the conservatives. We all have morality, and it is commendable that men are willing to defend honesty in matters of love and family. It is intrinsically and empirically right to do so.
    Again...the anti gay crowd often uses this same argument. They are defending "morality"...theirs. I will instead defend the rights of consenting adults to the path they choose....my position reflects my own morality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    My progressive straight friends are all live-and-let-live until a personal acquaintance is wronged, and then they are highly offended by proxy.
    Are you sure they're only ever offended by proxy? Remind me to never cross these "progressive straight friends" of yours.
    Last edited by Native Son; July 25th, 2013 at 04:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    It comes from personal experience, though not so much with gay men cheating. My progressive straight friends are all live-and-let-live until a personal acquaintance is wronged, and then they are highly offended by proxy.
    I am offended when people choose to live their lives as victims...I would encourage the person wronged in a relationship to figure out their part in it and process it.

    We live in a society with a victim mentality. I know because when my ex made a very public display of cheating (he fucked my co worker on the bar before I came to work in front of a crowd)...I had lots of well meaning folks rush to my side...I couldn't breathe. My ex knew exactly what he was doing. It wasn't about fucking my co worker...he wanted to control me as he had our entire relationship and since I had pretty much gotten past it and was about to leave him he wanted to break me. I instead told myself that I knew what a jerk he was and I didn't leave him because my insecurities at that time in my life owned me...and thanks to him I had to confront that and overcome my low self esteem. He didn't "cause" my low self esteem...I came that way...he was just attracted to it. Thanking him for what he did left me empowered and the people who rushed to my side and wanted me to be a victim...they did me no favors.

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    If you are gay, would you date a bisexual?
    Sure, why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    He didn't "cause" my low self esteem...I came that way...he was just attracted to it.
    This is good insight. I like it.
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    Re: If you are gay, would you date a bisexual ?

    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    I've had more than my share of insecurities, self doubts, jealousies, ... trying to control every outcome, and still been cheated on by multiples of boyfriends and girlfriends. Living in fear, doubts, and paranoia is no way to live. People cheat. You can't control them. All you can do is decide for yourself how You're going to deal with it when/if it happens.

    I've been through it enough times I know I'll live through it if it happens again.
    Aha! Finally I found this pearl of wisdom again! I read it the other day and wanted to comment but I don't type on my cell phone....

    I agree with you...been there and done that and the solution I came up with is that I decided instead of promising fidelity to my partner or having him promise fidelity to me...I instead promised honesty as I valued honesty and I know I can be honest and keep THAT promise.

    As for infidelity... I don't know what is going to happen along the way in my life and though I do not think I will be unfaithful...I know that something could happen and I cannot say with certainty that it won't. I can, however, say with complete certainty that I can be honest about it if it did. I value honesty a lot more than fidelity.

    Ironically...some of my critics...the ones who pointed fingers while expressing their own self defined purity and morality on the subject and had faux outrage about my decision went on to...GASP..."cheat". Hmmmmmmmm........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    Agreed on the martyr complexes, but there IS a different scenario at play when one discovers YEARS of one's marriage has been spent in a lie.

    The sense of betrayal is palpable, and IS a real wrong to do to anyone. They don't simply happen -- they are conscious choices.
    Well...I respectfully submit this example...a woman who started frequenting gay bars after finding out her husband was gay. She immediately became the darling of the day and everyone was busy "supporting her" but she was more interested in me and why I wasn't. She was a perceptive gal...I will give her that...she surprised me. I smiled and was friendly enough but she sensed my reluctance and pursued me and so I warned her that she would probably not like my POV.

    You see...they were BOTH living a lie and both using each other to do it...I knew that right away and she knew I knew it. She also needed to have someone bring it from her subconscious to her conscious mind and I know it sucks sometimes because people want to shoot the messenger when they are "wounded" and again she surprised me with her ability to handle the truth. I told her to handle her own lie instead of worrying about his and she would have a much nicer life ahead of her....and she has


    In your case, your friends' sympathies were "no favor" to you, but that is along a pretty narrow spectrum of what you faced. How would you have become if no friends had lent their support? Would it not also have shaped your views, and left you with even lower esteem, thinking everyone agreed you "deserved" it somehow? Or worse yet, leaving you thinking he was your only friend?
    Honestly...I would have been much happier had they not lent their "support". You see...I never whined about my lover along the way...I felt like it was bad enough I had to deal with the jerk but that was MY CHOICE...not theirs...why should I drag anyone else through it? Besides...I was embarrassed to have such low self esteem to allow him to do what he did so announcing it was not in the cards for me. What actually helped me out was my therapist and my spiritual beliefs.

    Of course, I don't know friends who would have accepted anyone as crude as your former mate. I was forced to witness debasing public spectacles like your boyfriend's, but just not between gay men and not sex per se, and it was excruciating to be involuntarily dragged through the mud. To your point, I also saw people constantly cloak themselves with victimhood which led me to escape circumstance as soon as possible and leave home, shaping my destiny rather than being its flotsam.

    And, on your latter post, I can't ultimately see how honesty and fidelity are that separable when it comes to values. If one is going to be faithful to his partner, he is going to be honest with him, even if that means ending the relationship. Yes, I know that isn't the right application of fidelity in couples, but I think it has a ring of truth literally in that root word.
    I can tell you the difference. Have you ever noticed the world is full of people who preach about fidelity yet taking a quick look at the staggering statistics on infidelity...it seems some ALOT of the people who preach the loudest are guilty of it themselves...perhaps a way to cover up their own demons? Homophobes take this route regularly to mask their own homosexuality.

    Honesty takes care of the whole mess rather nicely. I don't need a saint in my life...I need a good and honest man and good and honest men sometimes are not faithful.

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    Re: If you are gay, would you date a bisexual ?

    Quote Originally Posted by BENDERBOY View Post
    Jeez, people are still getting hit threads out of this old chestnut.
    Proves that when a subject is interesting and when there are members with differing opinions and the eloquence to support them JUB becomes as captivating as it was when I first joined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glasvegas View Post
    Yes. I would. Derek, ya hear me?
    Oh I hear ya, loud and clear.

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    Re: If you are gay, would you date a bisexual ?

    There are plenty of straight women who would immediately vent their prejudice by assuming a bi guy will be unfaithful to them. Of course that is nonsense (except when the bi guy is cheating and developing elaborately hollow theories to convince himself he's in the right.)

    But there are also plenty of straight women who would enjoy the ego boost of turning a gay guy to the dark side and giving him a ride down the vulva highway.

    I wonder if those groups overlap. I wonder if there are women who would reject a bi guy on the assumption he would be unfaithful, but be all over a gay guy if they thought they had a shot at converting him.

    And there are plenty of gay men that have te same attitude about the bi guys who I'm sure would post thread after thread about being in love with their straight friends and how can I get him to change bla bla.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    And there are plenty of gay men that have te same attitude about the bi guys who I'm sure would post thread after thread about being in love with their straight friends and how can I get him to change bla bla.
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    Yes only if I'm attracted to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    I'm not sure what you're arguing here. I never said they were ONLY offended that way. My entire point was that they took on the victimization of their friend and were indignant.
    What do they want for it, a medal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    If you intend this as defense of the dishonesty that was being discussed, it would help to know the basis of the counter, rather than a reaction to the hypothetical scorn described here.
    Maybe I was misreading you. I was just wondering why you would place so much emphasis, give so much weight to--well, let's just call it *potential* breeder scorn?

    You know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    Whether from the 95% straight population or the 5% gay, the sense of ire is palpable when a betrayal of a friend hits close to home.
    I see.

    (100% of us humans are also *potential* breeders.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    There are plenty of straight women who would immediately vent their prejudice by assuming a bi guy will be unfaithful to them. Of course that is nonsense (except when the bi guy is cheating and developing elaborately hollow theories to convince himself he's in the right.)

    But there are also plenty of straight women who would enjoy the ego boost of turning a gay guy to the dark side and giving him a ride down the vulva highway.

    I wonder if those groups overlap. I wonder if there are women who would reject a bi guy on the assumption he would be unfaithful, but be all over a gay guy if they thought they had a shot at converting him.

    And there are plenty of gay men that have te same attitude about the bi guys who I'm sure would post thread after thread about being in love with their straight friends and how can I get him to change bla bla.

    There are probably more than a few straight women who would go along with the ruse while her "bisexual" husband fleeces an older wealthier homo for all he's worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahaih View Post
    There are probably definitely more than a few straight women who would go along with the ruse while her "bisexual" husband fleeces an older wealthier homo for all he's worth.
    Fixed that for you....and then there are women who are afraid of physical intimacy with a man and find their gay husbands appealing because they don't have to risk it...and these things are just the beginning of a list of reasons why straight women marry gay men and even better when they don't consciously "know" they are gay so they can nail themselves to a cross when the time comes if they are so inclined...and so many of them are

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    I totally would hook up with a bi guy. But that's all it would be, I wouldn't want to try to have a relationship with a bi guy.
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    ^What if he was a hockey player with a great ass?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    ^What if he was a hockey player with a great ass?
    There's always an exception to the rule...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Native Son View Post
    I see.

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    I'm not! My reproductive system has been fucked since day one. I get what you're saying, though. The whole 'breeder' concept is nasty.
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    I sure hope everyone says yes! Seeing as how I'm bisexual I wouldn't wanna without a man D: (I'm a 4.5 on the kinsey c: )

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    Re: If you are gay, would you date a bisexual ?

    Well the answer is yes. I'm gay and my boyfriend is bisexual. We're in a long term, monogamous relationship. I'm not so insecure that I fear that every woman lurking around the corner is going to steal him from me. Imagine that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asu1117 View Post
    Well the answer is yes. I'm gay and my boyfriend is bisexual. We're in a long term, monogamous relationship. I'm not so insecure that I fear that every woman lurking around the corner is going to steal him from me. Imagine that.
    Madness! Obviously he's going to leave you for a woman! All bisexual men do when they realise they want a normal life! They can't resist the call of the vagina forever, dontchaknow?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingPhoenix View Post
    Madness! Obviously he's going to leave you for a woman! All bisexual men do when they realise they want a normal life! They can't resist the call of the vagina forever, dontchaknow?!
    So I hear, but I just don't seem to fall for that paranoia that plagues most of the gay men on this site.

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    ^ It's obviously because he's actually gay and not bi. He just said he was bi to be more acceptable to straights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertboi View Post
    I totally would hook up with a bi guy. But that's all it would be, I wouldn't want to try to have a relationship with a bi guy.
    Why no relationship with a bi guy? Cuz they're going to cheat on you with pussy, amirite?

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    ^ It's obviously because he's actually gay and not bi. He just said he was bi to be more acceptable to straights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kien View Post
    Yah. Who doesn't want da pussy though?
    smelly tuna...um...no...

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    Well duh.
    You're in no position to roll those eyes..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Native Son View Post
    You're in no position to roll those eyes..
    Uhm, what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingPhoenix View Post
    Uhm, what?
    Um, still trying to figure out why you locked your pipe smoking thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Native Son View Post
    Um, still trying to figure out why you locked your pipe smoking thread?
    I was in a pissy mood. Also, I didn't really feel like getting bagged on by a bunch of bitchy queens. How is that relevant to this thread, anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingPhoenix View Post
    I didn't really feel like getting bagged on by a bunch of bitchy queens. How is that relevant to this thread, anyway?
    These are my choices? You or shorty?
    Last edited by Native Son; July 30th, 2013 at 01:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Native Son View Post
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    These are my choices? You or shorty?
    What the actual fuck are you talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingPhoenix View Post
    What the actual fuck are you talking about?
    Why did you have your thread locked?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Native Son View Post
    Why did you have thread locked?
    . . . . . . . . . . . .
    Quote Originally Posted by RisingPhoenix View Post
    I was in a pissy mood. Also, I didn't really feel like getting bagged on by a bunch of bitchy queens. How is that relevant to this thread, anyway?
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    Re: If you are gay, would you date a bisexual ?

    Sorry to interrupt the regularly scheduled program.

    Someone sent me a notification asking how I know my repro system is fucked. I have no idea how to respond to notifications besides leaving a message on their profile, but I also have no idea how to see notifications more than once, can't seem to find them in my message box so I can't send a message because I don't know who sent it in the first place.

    The short answer is I was about 2/1/2 months to 3 months premature and got put on some rather nasty meds for a good long period of time. Around 3 1/2 years of various medications that people aren't supposed to be on for that long that young, least of all the reasons that were given to the rents on why I was on them in the first place. Then there's puberty-era reproductive errors (physically crippling ones at that) and last but not least - I was told so.

    But good luck trying to get a goddamned hysterectomy under thirty if you've never had kids because everyone wants paperwork proving you need one and all mine was destroyed by the hospital before it was due to be. Including hemangioma removal, but I suppose if you're going to junk what you gave me for it (hemangeomas and prematurity, and the steroid treatments didn't stop after they deemed me ready to leave) you might as well junk the records of everything about the surgery as well. All that place has now has is the listing that I was born there, no other records besides "we're sorry, they're gone now. Ha. Ha. Ha"

    Now back to your regularly scheduled program.
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    Re: If you are gay, would you date a bisexual ?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbamike View Post
    By what authority do we judge another person's relationship? A person is not judged for being in the closet. He/She is encouraged to come out on their own terms.

    Similarly, a person in a relationship with a bisexual who is in a relationship with yet another should not be judged either. We simply acknowledge their relationship without judgement.
    Uh, being the in closet isn't cheating on someones' partner. Being bisexual doesn't mean cheating on someones' partner. Cheating on someones' monogamous partner is, however, cheating on someone's partner.

    My, the hoops some people jump through.
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    Re: If you are gay, would you date a bisexual ?

    Quote Originally Posted by luckynumbah7 View Post
    Uh, being the in closet isn't cheating on someones' partner. Being bisexual doesn't mean cheating on someones' partner. Cheating on someones' monogamous partner is, however, cheating on someone's partner.

    My, the hoops some people jump through.
    OK. I agree with you. I don't see a controversy. Am I missing something?

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    Re: If you are gay, would you date a bisexual ?

    Sounds kind of like gay guys too.......

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    Nope, I think I misread somethin', my apologies!
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    Re: If you are gay, would you date a bisexual ?

    No, I would not.

    I have had enough horrible experiences with emotionally exploitative, dishonest and manipulative bisexuals (or "gay" and "straight" men who got angry whenever someone suggested that they were bisexual, but didn't mind cheating on me or their partners with anyone they fancied). I know that we could also say "oh well, there are also exclusively homosexual and heterosexual people who are horrid, devious, false and ignoble cheaters who abuse and betray other people's trust" and, of course, they would be right. However, I have never, ever met a single bisexual man who wasn't deeply conflicted and even ashamed of his sexuality, or didn't use it as an excuse to hurt and betray everyone that he became involved with. Equally, through all my years, I have never met any gay man who had been in a relationship with a bisexual man, and hadn't ended up being feeling like they had been shamelessly used.

    I am sure that there are well-adjusted, healthy and decent bisexual people. I just haven't met a single one as of yet.

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    Re: If you are gay, would you date a bisexual ?

    I would, and since I'm all for an open relationship, I would give him the "free pass" to get it with a girl if ever he needed it. And if he fell for a woman and chose her over me, I wouldn't blame him, it could've just the same happened with another guy - with or without an open relationship.

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    Re: If you are gay, would you date a bisexual ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kien View Post
    Yah. Who doesn't want da pussy though?
    Yar! Even I don't mind pussy for a day and I am gay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glasvegas View Post

    Yar! Even I don't mind pussy for a day and I am gay.
    You got a cat?
    Blah blah blah, something enigmatic sounding...

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