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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Take it anyway you like, including up yours, but the fact remains that the term 'racist' is tossed about with so little regard for the truth, that it has, in fact, become meaningless.
    Which I'm sure pleases your warped conscience. With the expression of racism now meaningless and dead, you've been liberated to hate and prejudge all others without fear of being seen as a bigot. Thank God racism means nothing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchymo View Post
    . I can't help thinking for the life of me, why the hell did Zimmerman choose to shoot his weapon. Could he not have threatened with it and it not worked as a deterrent? .
    Let's see. Could it be because he was on his back with a broken nose and other injuries? One of the witnesses described the scene for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Take it anyway you like, including up yours, but the fact remains that the term 'racist' is tossed about with so little regard for the truth, that it has, in fact, become meaningless.
    Oh Henry, always the charmer. It's no wonder you're so popular on this board. Who couldn't love a man who nods to baseless statements about people of a different color and then insults the people who call him out on it? Never quit being you Henry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Thanks for making it clear you're talking out of your own paranoia and not from any facts or reality. The legislative sponsors of this law would laugh in your face at your fantasy -- more than one is already on record that the law did not intend to cover Zimmerman.
    But you really have no basis to say that, do you? Just because the legislators may say something, doesn't mean it's true, and even if it is, that just makes them incompetent if they couldn't foresee the obvious implications of the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    It may come to mind, but 'racist' has become, through overuse, a totally meaningless term these days.
    I'm sure it's always been in whatever Republican suburbia you live in, but in the real world, the term is anything but meaningless. If it's overused, that's because your ilk has reverted back to their roots of unrestrained bigotry in recent years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Your defense of the Florida legislators - that they were too stupid to have understood what they were doing - is laughable. The problems with the law were debated at the time it was passed. They have been debated continuously since. This is not some unpredictable and unforeseeable outcome. This is exactly what opponents said would happen.

    But if the legislators now believe they made a mistake, why do they not now favor repeal of this law? Why did they beat back an attempt by Democrats to modify it? Why does governor Rick Scott continue to insist it is a good law?

    Stand your ground in Florida did exactly what it was intended to do - protect a white gun owner from liability for the use of his gun in the murder of another human being. The law is functioning exactly as intended. Why would Florida legislators, therefore, want to change it?
    Absolutely true, unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    So you're saying that as long as blacks are being killed by the right people, it doesn't matter?
    So you're saying that when the "vermin" dies, it should be irrelevant, regardless of who does the killing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    So you're saying that when the "vermin" dies, it should be irrelevant, regardless of who does the killing?
    Vermin is, after all, vermin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Let's see. Could it be because he was on his back with a broken nose and other injuries? One of the witnesses described the scene for us.
    Yes, he was totally the victim in that situation. I mean, also he was white, so what else could he be?
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    ^^^

    Zimmerman is hispanic -- not white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Vermin is, after all, vermin.
    This is grounds for a permanent ban in my book. Just saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^^

    Zimmerman is hispanic -- not white.
    I stand corrected - he was HALF-white. That totally makes all the difference in this situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I stand corrected - he was HALF-white. That totally makes all the difference in this situation.
    Actually, Zimmerman is part Hispanic, part white, and part black, according to Reuters

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    This is grounds for a permanent ban in my book. Just saying.
    Oh dear, to be banned by a bedwetting liberal. However shall I contain my grief. LOL

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    Juror B37:

    “She told the CNN anchor that Zimmerman was "a man whose heart was in the right place," but he went too far and did not use good judgment.”
    Looking at the reenactment Videos & hearing 911 Calls of Zimmerman lying & cussing his Stupid Face off really proved to Juror b37 that Zimmerman has a heart of Gold. I’m so glad she was a champion for his feelings during the deliberations.

    "When George confronted him . . . he (Trayvon) could have walked away and gone home,".
    B37 didn’t tell the Courts she’s a part-time Medium. George could have driven his Ass to Wal-Mart or Target or wherever the Hell he lied about going to.. When they confronted each other maybe Trayvon couldn’t walk away cuz Georgy Porgy pulled out the Equalizer.

    "He didn't have to do whatever he did and come back and be in a fight."
    There goes B37 again using her 6th sense powers. She’s def George’s Girl.

    "I don't want people to think that we didn't think about Trayvon Martin,"
    Of course we know you thought about Trayvon..You keep saying he started the Fight as if you witnessed it.…

    "George got in a little too deep," she said. "But Trayvon got mad and attacked him."
    Were you there B37? How do you know George is telling the TRUTH?

    Under pretrial questioning, she described the protests that took place in Sanford, Fla., after the shooting as "rioting."
    That alone should have disqualified her but she was intentionally selected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchymo View Post
    Hmmm, the witness that changed his story?

    Regardless, when you get into an altercation that starts off verbal, then esculates to a physical, from an otherwise trivial matter, the rational response is not "he is trying to kill me", its "we are fighting". You don't get into a scrap that you are mutually responsible for and assume that your opponent has more deadly designs than you do yourself. At least in Trayvon Martin's case, being that he was unarmed, it was HE who had a reason to believe that the threat existed from Zimmerman, not the other way around.
    It clearly depends on the degree of violence he was receiving. Remember, rightly. or wrongly, he thought Martin was suspicious for criminal intent. The violence from Martin was consistent with criminal intent and seemed to him to confirm his suspicions. From his point of view, the rational response was " he is trying to kill me" Martin thought he was just giving a white "cracker", a possible gay rapist, a "beat down". No one knows how it would have ended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Oh dear, to be banned by a bedwetting liberal. However shall I contain my grief. LOL
    They sell adult diapers nowadays.

    And I can't ban you. Dunno where "bedwetting" comes from, but I am sure you feel very smug about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    It clearly depends on the degree of violence he was receiving. Remember, rightly. or wrongly, he thought Martin was suspicious for criminal intent. The violence from Martin was consistent with criminal intent and seemed to him to confirm his suspicions. From his point of view, the rational response was " he is trying to kill me" Martin thought he was just giving a white "cracker", a possible gay rapist, a "beat down". No one knows how it would have ended.
    Wow, "a white cracker"? Could you describe him in even more racist terms? Was he making orangutan sounds as well? Must have, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post

    And I can't ban you. Dunno where "bedwetting" comes from, but I am sure you feel very smug about it.
    Here you are, courtesy of the Urban Dictionary:

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    Bedwetting Liberal is a derogatory term used to describe people of a political leaning. The term bedwetting is used to denote a hand-wringing, scared, worrisome, pansy attitude, afraid of their own shadows. The term liberal denotes the love of spending, social programs, handholding and acceptance of such things as illegal immigration and allowance of the same to have all of the social benefits of being in the United States.

    Bedwetting Liberals are generally terrified of Republicans and conservatives. They shriek at the thought of combat operations or allowing the police to do their jobs. They are quick to point fingers, cry to the media and ACLU, and snivel about attempts to maintain US heritage because it might “offend” somebody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    First off let me just say I didn't watch Mr Gentry and don't know who that is, but so far these sound like Fox News talking points:
    Ahhh my favorite, "I didn't pay attention to anything you posted but I have an opinion based on something else..." laughable

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    92% of blacks were murdered by other blacks last year because most people are murdered by people that they know. If you looked at how many whites were murdered by other whites it would be about the same.
    In 2010 the number of deaths not due to suicide was 12 thousand, the number of deaths due to black on black killing was 9 thousand.... all for a population percentage of 13% makes for a pretty fucking compelling argument does it not? So the answer is feel free to do some looking at crime statistics before making wild and false speculations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    I'm sorry the crime rate in Chicago is so high. What else do you expect America to say? I don't live in Chicago and I'm not from there. Why do expect answers from me? How are we supposed to have a national conversation on a local problem?
    Chicago is an example. The same can be said for MOST population dense areas. The same idea is captured in national statistics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    Blacks in LA always riot whenever there is perceived discrimation in Florida. Remember Rodney King?
    I remember quite clearly the abusive police officer case in LA that caused the LA riots. How does that equate to the current situation?


    The bottom line is that the man in the video is expressing outrage that a singular homicide incites so much outrage when the elephant in the room is barely mentioned because it doesnt meet the 'racial' criteria for discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    The word racist comes to mind whenever I hear about the reporters who dig up these statistics and pretend they actually mean anything.
    You should read the statistics instead of pretending to understand whatever the fuck you're talking about. BTW the guy is a black man who makes youtube videos and has about as much credibility in the media as you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    No one knows how it would have ended.
    Actually, we do.

    If George Zimmerman had not owned a gun, Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman would both still be alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Actually, we do.

    If George Zimmerman had not owned a gun, Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman would both still be alive.
    Not necessarily. Higher probability but any altercation can end in death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Wow, "a white cracker"? Could you describe him in even more racist terms? Was he making orangutan sounds as well? Must have, right?
    Martin told his girlfriend a " cracker" was following him. She told him it might be a gay rapist who might follow him home me where his little brother was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    You should read the statistics instead of pretending to understand whatever the fuck you're talking about. BTW the guy is a black man who makes youtube videos and has about as much credibility in the media as you do.
    I have read the statistics. You clearly haven't.

    Oh, and next time you and Jack Springer want to have a conversation about a YouTube on JUB how about you try posting link instead of acting like we should all know what the fuck you two are talking about.

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    Post 137 http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...=1#post8995886

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Not necessarily. Higher probability but any altercation can end in death.
    No. It is almost unheard of for a physical brawl (without weapons) to result in death.

    And, of course, Zimmerman would not even have pursued Martin if he had not possessed a concealed weapon. Zimmerman is a coward who relies upon guns to compensate for his failures as a human being. He is a psychopath with a long history of violence. Zimmerman would not have confronted Martin without the certainty that his concealed weapon would make up for his lack of social and physical abilities.

    There is no question. If Zimmerman had not owned a gun, both of these men would still be alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    No. It is almost unheard of for a physical brawl (without weapons) to result in death.

    And, of course, Zimmerman would not even have pursued Martin if he had not possessed a concealed weapon. Zimmerman is a coward who relies upon guns to compensate for his failures as a human being. He is a psychopath with a long history of violence.

    There is no question. If Zimmerman had not owned a gun, both of these men would still be alive.
    Zimmerman was a psychopath with a long history of violence? Please show some sources. I have watched the trial and surely the prosecution would have detailed the suspects violent past. Please illuminate me.

    I do agree that Zimmerman was made into a bold man by his possession of a weapon and equally that he would not have left the car without a gun on his hip.

    weird bunch of returns on just one bare handed type of attack such as a punch https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&t...w=1280&bih=610

    i would say unheard of is a bit far... perhaps unwilling to be evaluated by you as a cause of death. I have been involed in through investigation of cause in two such cases. Cheers
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    I was able to find several "key, johnny on the spot, after it was a nationwide spectacle" witnesses that claim he was violent and one charge of resisting and officer battery when he was arrested for intoxication. that clearly makes him a menace... ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Zimmerman was a psychopath with a long history of violence? Please show some sources.
    Zimmerman's girlfriend obtained a restraining order against him, because of her fear that he would hurt her.

    Zimmerman had a prior arrest for assaulting a police officer.

    Zimmerman was fired from a job as a bouncer, because of his "anger issues."


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    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...er-he-Snapped#

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1053223


    Zimmerman is a sociopath. His pursuit of Trayvon Martin was a manifestation of that. You don't go chasing after teen-aged boys who are just passing through your neighborhood (especially when you have specifically been advised to back off) unless there is something deep inside you, driving you on.


    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    i would say unheard of is a bit far... perhaps unwilling to be evaluated by you as a cause of death. I have been involed in through investigation of cause in two such cases. Cheers
    If you're going to argue on the basis of authority, you've just been trumped.

    I was the second-highest ranking law enforcement officer in the eighth largest county in Ohio for nine years. Not only did we not have a single case of abnormal death due to a fight not involving weapons during my tenure, I am not sure that it has ever happened in the county's 210 year history (I spent a lot of time reviewing our historical records for our annual reports). Nor have I ever heard of it happening, anywhere.

    I am sure it has happened somewhere, at some time. But it is extremely rare.

    If George Zimmerman had not been armed, both he and Trayvon Martin would still be alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchymo View Post
    If that means an innocent person has to walk around with a question mark over their head until they are declared innocent, it is worth it not to allow people to be killed in unreasonable and unnecessary situations and their killer go free.
    Just to clarify for me, are you suggesting that the principle of innocent until PROVEN guilty does not apply in cases where lethal force is involved? Not trying to put words in your mouth just trying to be clear on your point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Martin told his girlfriend a " cracker" was following him. She told him it might be a gay rapist who might follow him home me where his little brother was.
    I was waiting for someone to bring this up. Did Martin attack Zimmerman because he was afraid Zimmerman was going to rape his younger brother?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    I have read the statistics. You clearly haven't.

    Oh, and next time you and Jack Springer want to have a conversation about a YouTube on JUB how about you try posting link instead of acting like we should all know what the fuck you two are talking about.
    JH posted the youtube video -- I took the time to watch it -- you should have also. Please don't comment on things you know nothing about -- it makes you look small.

    Here's is another link -- Charles Barkley commenting on the trial. You need to read the article and watch the video also. Barkley watched the trial -- he has the right to comment.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...e_verdict.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Zimmerman's girlfriend obtained a restraining order against him, because of her fear that he would hurt her.

    Zimmerman had a prior arrest for assaulting a police officer.

    Zimmerman was fired from a job as a bouncer, because of his "anger issues."


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    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...er-he-Snapped#

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1053223


    Zimmerman is a sociopath. His pursuit of Trayvon Martin was a manifestation of that. You don't go chasing after teen-aged boys who are just passing through your neighborhood (especially when you have specifically been advised to back off) unless there is something deep inside you, driving you on.




    If you're going to argue on the basis of authority, you've just been trumped.

    I was the second-highest ranking law enforcement officer in the eighth largest county in Ohio for nine years. Not only did we not have a single case of abnormal death due to a fight not involving weapons during my tenure, I am not sure that it has ever happened in the county's 210 year history (I spent a lot of time reviewing our historical records for our annual reports). Nor have I ever heard of it happening, anywhere.

    I am sure it has happened somewhere, at some time. But it is extremely rare.

    If George Zimmerman had not been armed, both he and Trayvon Martin would still be alive.
    Not if Martin opened Zimmerman's skull on the concrete sidewalk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Not if Martin opened Zimmerman's skull on the concrete sidewalk.
    It is a medically documented fact that Zimmerman's wounds were superficial. Not even close to being life-threatening.

    The fact remains. If Zimmerman had not owned a gun, both he and Trayvon Martin would be alive today.

    Zimmerman's perception of danger was a manifestation of his own insecurities and lack of confidence in his ability to defend himself without an unfair advantage. It was not a reflection of reality.
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    Charles Barkley, the voice of reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    It is a medically documented fact that Zimmerman's wounds were superficial. Not even close to being life-threatening.

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    We know now with the clarity of 20/20 hindsight. Zimmerman did not know that at the time, nor did he have time to consider all of the potential outcomes. He was under attack, and he reacted appropriately. End of story.

    Why don't we give him a medal for riding the world of a drug dealer and move on.

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    Here you are, courtesy of the Urban Dictionary:

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    So you're using what you know to be a derogatory term to personally attack a member of the forums?

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    Sounds to me like you're having a difficult time following the rules. But seeing as how you're on Zimmerman's side, I can't say it's surprising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    We know now with the clarity of 20/20 hindsight. Zimmerman did not know that at the time, nor did he have time to consider all of the potential outcomes. He was under attack, and he reacted appropriately. End of story.

    Why don't we give him a medal for riding the world of a drug dealer and move on.
    First off, where is any evidence Trayvon was a drug dealer? Or are you just making the assumption all black people that don't talk or act to your standards are drug dealers?

    Also, you've just illustrated what's wrong with Florida's self-defense/SYG laws. Allowing the person toting the gun the subjectivity of determining when they think their life is in danger is a flawed concept that will almost always result in the death of someone they set out to get. They just simply back someone into a corner and then fire at will when that person reacts to defend themselves. When a stranger is following you in a car then gets out, armed with a firearm, and begins pursuing you, there is plenty of cause to feel that you are being threatened with death or bodily harm. Thus, Trayvon should be justified in defending himself and Zimmerman should be found guilty with provoking the actions that led to him shooting Trayvon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Zimmerman's girlfriend obtained a restraining order against him, because of her fear that he would hurt her.

    Zimmerman had a prior arrest for assaulting a police officer.

    Zimmerman was fired from a job as a bouncer, because of his "anger issues."


    http://globalgrind.com/news/george-z...lorida-details

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...er-he-Snapped#

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1053223


    Zimmerman is a sociopath. His pursuit of Trayvon Martin was a manifestation of that. You don't go chasing after teen-aged boys who are just passing through your neighborhood (especially when you have specifically been advised to back off) unless there is something deep inside you, driving you on.




    If you're going to argue on the basis of authority, you've just been trumped.

    I was the second-highest ranking law enforcement officer in the eighth largest county in Ohio for nine years. Not only did we not have a single case of abnormal death due to a fight not involving weapons during my tenure, I am not sure that it has ever happened in the county's 210 year history (I spent a lot of time reviewing our historical records for our annual reports). Nor have I ever heard of it happening, anywhere.

    I am sure it has happened somewhere, at some time. But it is extremely rare.

    If George Zimmerman had not been armed, both he and Trayvon Martin would still be alive.
    No i was speaking of the hundreds of returns found on google. Which county Butler or Scioto? I will go find a case for you since you appear unwilling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    We know now with the clarity of 20/20 hindsight. Zimmerman did not know that at the time, nor did he have time to consider all of the potential outcomes. He was under attack, and he reacted appropriately. End of story.

    Why don't we give him a medal for riding the world of a drug dealer and move on.
    The original Henry Reardon had respect for the truth.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    Also, you've just illustrated what's wrong with Florida's self-defense/SYG laws. Allowing the person toting the gun the subjectivity of determining when they think their life is in danger is a flawed concept that will almost always result in the death of someone they set out to get. They just simply back someone into a corner and then fire at will when that person reacts to defend themselves. When a stranger is following you in a car then gets out, armed with a firearm, and begins pursuing you, there is plenty of cause to feel that you are being threatened with death or bodily harm. Thus, Trayvon should be justified in defending himself and Zimmerman should be found guilty with provoking the actions that led to him shooting Trayvon.
    Exactly -- and that's what the legislative author of the law said was the way it was meant to be read.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    First off, where is any evidence Trayvon was a drug dealer? n.
    His facebook page had comments from customers complimenting on the quality of his product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    His facebook page had comments from customers complimenting on the quality of his product.
    Some might suspect that if you're familiar with his facebook page, you were one of his customers.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    First off, where is any evidence Trayvon was a drug dealer? Or are you just making the assumption all black people that don't talk or act to your standards are drug dealers?

    Also, you've just illustrated what's wrong with Florida's self-defense/SYG laws. Allowing the person toting the gun the subjectivity of determining when they think their life is in danger is a flawed concept that will almost always result in the death of someone they set out to get. They just simply back someone into a corner and then fire at will when that person reacts to defend themselves. When a stranger is following you in a car then gets out, armed with a firearm, and begins pursuing you, there is plenty of cause to feel that you are being threatened with death or bodily harm. Thus, Trayvon should be justified in defending himself and Zimmerman should be found guilty with provoking the actions that led to him shooting Trayvon.


    What makes you think Trayvon Knew Zimmerman was armed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    His facebook page had comments from customers complimenting on the quality of his product.
    Link? Evidence? Anything to support your claim?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fly View Post
    What makes you think Trayvon Knew Zimmerman was armed?
    What makes you think he didn't? I will say that if someone is sitting on top of you "grounding and pounding", it's going to be difficult to unholster your weapon and fire one shot to the heart. I have the feeling that Zimmerman had his weapon unholstered before getting into any confrontation with Trayvon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    Link? Evidence? Anything to support your claim?


    What makes you think he didn't? I will say that if someone is sitting on top of you "grounding and pounding", it's going to be difficult to unholster your weapon and fire one shot to the heart. I have the feeling that Zimmerman had his weapon unholstered before getting into any confrontation with Trayvon.
    I rather doubt it, it the gun was prominently displayed going into the fight, leaving aside being aware of it most likely would have caused Martin to avoid the fight, Martin's focus would have been on disarming him, not 'grounding and pounding' him. Of course its not possible to know what was going on in person's mind in a middle of a situation like that but if I knew the person I was grappling with had a gun, making sure it was pointed away from me and knocking it out of his hand would be a top panic filled priority.
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    I rather doubt it, it the gun was prominently displayed going into the fight, leaving aside being aware of it most likely would have caused Martin to avoid the fight, Martin's focus would have been on disarming him, not 'grounding and pounding' him. Of course its not possible to know what was going on in person's mind in a middle of a situation like that but if I knew the person I was grappling with had a gun, making sure it was pointed away from me and knocking it out of his hand would be a top panic filled priority.
    Do we know that Trayvon wasn't trying to knock the gun away? If we go with Zimmerman's story, he at least had knowledge of the gun because Zimmerman claimed he was reaching for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    Link? Evidence? Anything to support your claim?


    What makes you think he didn't? I will say that if someone is sitting on top of you "grounding and pounding", it's going to be difficult to unholster your weapon and fire one shot to the heart. I have the feeling that Zimmerman had his weapon unholstered before getting into any confrontation with Trayvon.


    What does that mean, you "have a feeling"? Based on what?

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    Lazy reading is lazy. He has explained what it's based on in the very post you've quoted. Hard to pull a gun out and take one clear shot when you're being mercilessly pounded by an evil animalistic black crack-head thug...
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    Link? Evidence? Anything to support your claim?


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