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    We can just enjoy it for what it is but the the performer needs to do a sequel and build up a career.
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    Here's another oneó but this one is less of a tear-jerker

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    Re: Steve Grand - gay country singer's amazing video, "All American Boy."

    His story was picked up by Good Morning America.

    Gay Country Singer Adjusts to Newfound Web Fame

    Homophobia kills!

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    Re: Steve Grand - All American Boy

    Love the song and the video his voice is smooth and sexy and the fact that he himself is sexy is as was previously stated icing on the cake. Love him and his music.

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    I just watched it before I came on here, what a coincidence. The video has over 1 million views so far and lots of likes so good for him. Ican certainly relate to him. He is good looking and can sing. If he keeps getting views like this for his video he can make some good money as a youtube partner. I wish the guy he was pining for wasn't taken though. I didn't finish watching it though because I knew the end would be sad lol. It can be kind of lonely when everybody assumes you're straight and you don't want to tell people about yourself. It's just awkward no matter what you do.

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    Re: Steve Grand - gay country singer's amazing video, "All American Boy."

    I love the video I saw it the other day and it is refreshing to see a gay singer PROUD to be gay! Yes, Steve Grand is hot it certainly doesn't hurt that he's very attractive too!

    What I like about this guy though is unlike, other gay male artists this guy isn't sugar coating his video like a Ricky Martin music video. Frank Ocean, Ricky Martin, and some other high profile queer artists they are not direct about loving other men in their music videos. Steve Grand is, and that's what I applaud Grand for making a video about a man loving and crushing, and yearning for the love of another man.

    Grand is unapologetic about his love for other men, and I think that's what is resonating with a lot of gay men and straight people.

    Far too often the high profile gay singers they come out BUT their music doesn't really address gay love their music either blurs the lines or they ignore it all together.


    Steve Grand is very bold with this video amazing that it only cost $7000 dollars to shoot it, yet the acting was also very good. I hope someone signs Steve Grand up soon, I hear he sings at churches and at bars for cash. He should consider putting the song on Apple Itunes and making some money off of this song. He could use the money and maybe make an independent album or something?
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    the guy from the video w/ Steve is Taylor from Fratmen- Queer me now is running the porn pics and a video of him

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    well- the **** are the queer me now.....

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    Irresponsible car driving. For shame ;-)

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    Re: Steve Grand - gay country singer's amazing video, "All American Boy."

    I saw it few days ago and think he's an amazing singer. Great voice, and cute too. I also applaud him going all out on his music video considering how homophobic the country music industry is. Hopes he does well and would definitely by his album if he managed to release one / get signed.

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    While people are paying attention to this thread, I wanted to pose a few questions for discussion. These questions are open to anyone.

    1) Do you think people would have paid as much attention to the video if the singer weren't attractive?

    2) Do you think people would have given the video as much attention if it were a minority?

    3) Do believe the backstory that Steve Grand has given behind the video (cost, no extra promotion, etc.)?

    4) Do you feel he'll go further than this song or is he a one-hit wonder?

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    Re: Steve Grand - gay country singer's amazing video, "All American Boy."

    I love the CW song....hopefully some of the other queer C&W artistes will find the balls to be out.

    I want to kick the other guy in the balls though in the video.....we know and he knows he's a homo.....stop pretending. Grab some manmeat.

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    I wonder why he chose "Steve Grand" as his stage name?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Here's another one— but this one is less of a tear-jerker

    Really like this guy's voice. He's got a lot more songs on his YouTube channel.

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    Steve Grand is hot nobody is disputing that BUT I love the fact he's so unapologetic about being gay. I love the fact the song he is yearning and wanting to be in love with another man. Other openly gay singers like Ricky martin, Frank Ocean ect. they come out of the closet but their songs lyrics are not directly about being gay. This guy's song, the video is very bold, gay, passionate and just wonderful.

    I wonder, if Steve is going to stay indie or try to get a record deal? I know it is expensive to tour Steve should try to cash in on this song, get it published, get it on Itunes, and make money. Maybe release an independent record? The media will definitely give him press and publicity when he decides to release a record.

    In Toronto a couple of days ago 92.5 FM radio even interviewed Steve Grand it is on You Tube and the interview is pretty cool.

    I am rooting for this guy! I wish Steve well!

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    Re: Steve Grand - All American Boy

    AngelFromAbove;8985798]While people are paying attention to this thread, I wanted to pose a few questions for discussion. These questions are open to anyone.

    1) Do you think people would have paid as much attention to the video if the singer weren't attractive?

    I agree, that Steve Grand's looks definitely plays a part into his popularity BUT this is entertainment, and let's face it most of the pop singers out there ARE ATTRACTIVE. Would people care about Katy Perry, Beyonce, Rihanna, Kesha, if they weren't fit, healthy, and attractive, young women? The answer is PROBABLY NOT. I think female musicians got it HARDER, yes Adele has done well, but Adele is one out a million she's an amazing talent. BUT male singers can be UGLY and still be very successful look at Elton John he's not attractive but he's a legend in the music industry. Look at Jay Z he's ugly too BUT he's also a huge star in the music industry.

    Steve Grand's looks DEFINITELY helps a lot but so does his YOUTH, he can really reach a younger audience. The only barrier is the fact how is Steve Grand going to market himself? Will Country Radio play a song by an openly gay man? I think Steve Grand's sexuality can still be a factor into whether or not his music gets on the radio. Adam Lambert has a hard time getting on the radio because he's openly gay and radio programmers don't know what to do with him.

    The gay community is like any other community, we look at looks first sometimes, but at least this guy Steve Grand has the LOOKS & THE TALENT and that's very important.

    2) Do you think people would have given the video as much attention if it were a minority?

    Frank Ocean is a black bisexual man and he's actually done incredibly well he got a gold album over 500,000 copies sold in America, gold in Australia another 50, 000 copies, gold in the UK 100,000 copies sold and hes' won two Grammy awards. Frank Ocean's single Thinking about you sold 1 million copies alone in America. Frank Ocean is probably the most successful queer artist at the moment EVEN THOUGH Ocean goes out of his way to discuss his sexuality. I actually think Steve Grand music is MORE HONEST than Frank Ocean's music he's unapologetic about being gay he's not trying to be coy and cool to reach different demographics.

    3) Do believe the backstory that Steve Grand has given behind the video (cost, no extra promotion, etc.)?

    I do, the video looks cheap but I will say it also is very effective, I can see it only costing $7000 dollars all he used was some roads, a lake, a backyard and that's it.

    4) Do you feel he'll go further than this song or is he a one-hit wonder?[/QUOTE]

    I hope so, I sincerely do, but I think Steve Grand REALLY needs to think hard and be SMART he has the momentum right now, and I believe he needs to get an album together. I don't know if Steve Grand wants to hire a manager, but I think even as an independent artist HE NEEDS A MANAGER. He needs someone with connections who can hook him up with a studio, ect. producer, engineers, and get an album going.

    Also, what is success? I think an indie artist can actually make MORE MONEY than an artist with a record deal the ones starting out only get 10% royalties from their records. I hear indie artists can make A LOT more money like 35% or even higher off of record sales alone because they do it on their own. An indie artist only needs a distributor to get it into record stores to get their cut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    Have we already tossed aside Frank Ocean? Or did he simply not matter?

    Sorry to be snarky, but c'mon now.
    I like Frank Ocean BUT I am not convinced that Frank Ocean is really into men. I get a vibe from Frank Ocean that his decision to come out last year is a publicity stunt.

    Something feels strange about Frank Ocean, I think he's false, I don't think he's queer, I think he's a straight guy whose PR department told him to write that letter, to gain publicity and stand out from the crowd.

    Something about Frank Ocean seems false to me, he seems to go out of his way to be direct about his sexuality. I think Ocean and his PR people have made the decision that he stay in the middle.

    If Ocean says he's "gay" or made music explicit about falling in love with another man I don't think he would be selling the amount of records he's selling.

    I am not sure if Frank Ocean would be popular if he made a direct gay video like Steve Grand. I don't think Frank Ocean has done this, because I think he and his PR people realize heterosexual women really like him and the less gay he appears the better it is for his record sales and image.

    Also, remember Frank Ocean's core audience is definitely not the gay community his core audience is the African American community, and perhaps, white people that like R&B music but not the gay community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I wonder why he chose "Steve Grand" as his stage name?
    I think Steve Grand is his real last name but I am not sure. According to **********, the guy who plays Grand's love interest is a gay porn star for Fratmen and he goes by the name Taylor. Another gay blog is saying that they believe the video cost more than $7,000 and perhaps someone within the gay porn industry is trying to help Steve Grand get a legitimate singing career going.

    The guy is definitely talented he plays at a bar in Chicago, and he says he also plays for churches in Chicago as well.


    But I am not if this guy considers himself a Country Western Artist? Country music is very religious and very homophobic, look what they did to the Dixie Chicks a while back they destroyed them when they criticized the war and George Bush.

    I think Steve Grand should steer clear of the Country Music industry try to make rock music or pop music or both because he can reach a wider audience that way. But I can't see Country radio playing a gay man's music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MorrisseyX View Post
    I think Steve Grand is his real last name but I am not sure. According to **********, the guy who plays Grand's love interest is a gay porn star for Fratmen and he goes by the name Taylor. Another gay blog is saying that they believe the video cost more than $7,000 and perhaps someone within the gay porn industry is trying to help Steve Grand get a legitimate singing career going.

    The guy is definitely talented he plays at a bar in Chicago, and he says he also plays for churches in Chicago as well.


    But I am not if this guy considers himself a Country Western Artist? Country music is very religious and very homophobic, look what they did to the Dixie Chicks a while back they destroyed them when they criticized the war and George Bush.

    I think Steve Grand should steer clear of the Country Music industry try to make rock music or pop music or both because he can reach a wider audience that way. But I can't see Country radio playing a gay man's music.
    The probability approaches near unity that Steve Grand is the gentleman's real name. As far as not doing pop music, you might be surprised. Lookey what I dug up on Huffington Post Gay Voices...

    "How To Love" - Steve Grand (as the stage name Steve Starchild), before AAB made him famous...


    (Admission >> Yes, I have heard "All-American Boy", and have played it damn near around the clock on my free time, ever since I first heard it.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MorrisseyX View Post
    Steve Grand is hot nobody is disputing that BUT I love the fact he's so unapologetic about being gay. I love the fact the song he is yearning and wanting to be in love with another man. Other openly gay singers like Ricky martin, Frank Ocean ect. they come out of the closet but their songs lyrics are not directly about being gay. This guy's song, the video is very bold, gay, passionate and just wonderful.

    I wonder, if Steve is going to stay indie or try to get a record deal? I know it is expensive to tour Steve should try to cash in on this song, get it published, get it on Itunes, and make money. Maybe release an independent record? The media will definitely give him press and publicity when he decides to release a record.

    In Toronto a couple of days ago 92.5 FM radio even interviewed Steve Grand it is on You Tube and the interview is pretty cool.

    I am rooting for this guy! I wish Steve well!
    I know, it's great isn't it?

    And what's wrong with being attractive or sexual. Heteros do it 24/7...why can't we?
    This beautiful and talented man is fully in charge of and comfortable with his sexuality and body. More power to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MorrisseyX View Post
    I think Steve Grand is his real last name but I am not sure. According to **********, the guy who plays Grand's love interest is a gay porn star for Fratmen and he goes by the name Taylor. Another gay blog is saying that they believe the video cost more than $7,000 and perhaps someone within the gay porn industry is trying to help Steve Grand get a legitimate singing career going.

    The guy is definitely talented he plays at a bar in Chicago, and he says he also plays for churches in Chicago as well.


    But I am not if this guy considers himself a Country Western Artist? Country music is very religious and very homophobic, look what they did to the Dixie Chicks a while back they destroyed them when they criticized the war and George Bush.

    I think Steve Grand should steer clear of the Country Music industry try to make rock music or pop music or both because he can reach a wider audience that way. But I can't see Country radio playing a gay man's music.
    All country music is not religious....but the Southern Baptists seem to have so-opted it along with all kinds of other things in the US,

    Instead of not wanting him to use this genre...we should be encouraging more CW artisits to make music about homo relationships and acceptance and tolerance.

    The same way that we should be encouraging more rap and hip hop artists to help break down the barriers of homophobia in that genre.

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    I won't lie, the fact that he is my type does influence that I like this whole thing. I just love his beautiful pale hard rock body *drools*.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Instead of not wanting him to use this genre...we should be encouraging more CW artisits to make music about homo relationships and acceptance and tolerance.

    The same way that we should be encouraging more rap and hip hop artists to help break down the barriers of homophobia in that genre.
    This right here!

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    He certainly won't have any trouble finding someone's bed to sleep in, especially now he's made that beautiful song and video clip

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    Quote Originally Posted by MorrisseyX View Post
    I like Frank Ocean BUT I am not convinced that Frank Ocean is really into men. I get a vibe from Frank Ocean that his decision to come out last year is a publicity stunt.

    Something feels strange about Frank Ocean, I think he's false, I don't think he's queer, I think he's a straight guy whose PR department told him to write that letter, to gain publicity and stand out from the crowd.
    Gonna stop you there.

    Who in their right mind, on a PR team, in this day and age, would tell an artist - any artist - to write a letter to proclaim their sexuality, especially if it wasn't true? Especially in the community he plays to? Would you then wager to bet that Nicki Minaj and Azealia Banks are both "playing" bisexual and that Macklemore only did a (much more genuine, but then again I think Pink beats all so far) "gay" song just to get to the niche crowds' money?

    I don't believe it. The man had the guts to come out bisexual(and that means he can still appeal to the ladies that are the core buyers of R&B, as he is not GAY, as, say, Clay Aiken, who you might as well call fake too since he never did music about falling in love with men, or, hell, Ricky Martin... and so on), of his own accord. I don't think Steve Grand did it for the "popularity", he did it to tell his story. Why is different then for Frank Ocean and others?
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    Re: Steve Grand - All American Boy

    Well the Ocean never came out as gay, he stated that he had be in love with a man and then kinda got vague on his sexuality and not being a fan I don't know if he actually came out as gay or bi or whatever. Grand on the other hand is pretty much HELLO MARY from the get go and that takes a lot of guts.

    Artist do what they have to do to sell and keep on a label which is understandable, but Grand seems to be the first gay out from the get go. I don't believe Rufus Wainwright was this out at the beginning of his career, maybe Sylvestor or Jimmy Somerville, but that was decades ago.

    So give the guy some props.

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    Frank Ocean did explicitly come out as bisexual. And proclaimed he was in love with another man (don't know if he's still with the guy now)... but he did openly state it.

    In fact, aren't a few of his songs written about a man? I don't know if he uses the male pronoun in them, but he did say he was writing them about a male lover.

    Considering Frank Ocean makes R&B/Hip-Hop, a genre with a demographic that has never really had an out LGBTQ+ artist...and for various reasons, obviously... I don't think he would take such an unbelievable risk for the sake of PR or being edgy. I mean, for that genre, it's still considered the death-knell to be 'out' (because there ARE more gay and bi R&B and Hip-Hop artists closeted). He took a major risk. You don't play around with that.

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    OK- we now have a Frank Ocean thread....how about something on Steve???!!!

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    I'm sure there's a Frank thread somewhere here aleardy

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    Gonna stop you there.

    Who in their right mind, on a PR team, in this day and age, would tell an artist - any artist - to write a letter to proclaim their sexuality, especially if it wasn't true? Especially in the community he plays to? Would you then wager to bet that Nicki Minaj and Azealia Banks are both "playing" bisexual and that Macklemore only did a (much more genuine, but then again I think Pink beats all so far) "gay" song just to get to the niche crowds' money?

    I don't believe it. The man had the guts to come out bisexual(and that means he can still appeal to the ladies that are the core buyers of R&B, as he is not GAY, as, say, Clay Aiken, who you might as well call fake too since he never did music about falling in love with men, or, hell, Ricky Martin... and so on), of his own accord. I don't think Steve Grand did it for the "popularity", he did it to tell his story. Why is different then for Frank Ocean and others?
    But that's my point, Frank Ocean saying he's bisexual doesn't mean much to be honest he gets to play it safe stay in the middle lane. Why did Frank Ocean come out at all? Obviously for publicity,
    and obviously to appear as though he's some sort of progressive guy when he isn't.

    Sadly, some black gay men play the whole game of saying they are bisexual, because being seen as gay is still viewed as such a terrible thing especially in the black community. So Frank Ocean saying he's bisexual is the easy way out he's false I don't believe he's bisexual either.

    I am tired of these black queens not saying they are gay, yet taking the easy route saying they are bisexual.

    I can't take Frank Ocean seriously he just seems to me a marketing experiment a product if you will.

    Frank Ocean won't make videos kissing another man, or declaring his love for another man he's never going to do it.

    Frank Ocean's PR team are smart though get a black guy to come out as bisexual, but of course not as gay.

    Because if Frank Ocean came out as gay he would be pigeon holding himself and marginalizing himself

    from the heterosexual R&B audience. So for straight people they can relate to Ocean because he's not

    gay he's bi which is complete BS.

    I am waiting for the day a black gay male singer can come out and say YES I AM A GAY BLACK MAN and be PROUD!

    We aren't there yet, so sorry I'm not going to put Frank Ocean on a pedestal he's no hero and I do believe his coming out is a publicity stunt.

    Frank Ocean can appeal to the heteros, and I guess to the gay crowd as well. All this BS about not believing in labels is clearly his

    PR and marketing department at work.

    At least with Steve Grand this guy is saying YES I AM GAY YES I LOVE MEN and he's unapologetic about it. Grand's video is very bold, I can't recall another video by a gay male singer so bold, so gay, and so proud.
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    Where's this mythical land where African American musicians get a pass from their audience for being bisexual rather than gay? Because in my experience openly bisexual men get lumped in with the gay ones as far as prejudice and discrimination goes.

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    Meanwhile pics have surfaced of Steve cumming on a guy's face- I'd post them, but this is now THE FRANK oCEAN THREAD.....!!!!!!!!!

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    Steve! No! Don't cry during your interview! The timing is much too soon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougmc92 View Post
    Meanwhile pics have surfaced of Steve cumming on a guy's face- I'd post them, but this is now THE FRANK oCEAN THREAD.....!!!!!!!!!
    What? Where?

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    What? Where?
    Calm down. He was kidding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpnice View Post
    Calm down. He was kidding.
    More like being an asshole.
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    screw you!- Jesus fucking christ!! Is it too much to ask that the thread stays on Steve and not become something else!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    More like being an asshole.
    A comment rather unecessarily bitter and agressive.

    Obviously we would all like to see more of this young handsome man, apart from his underwear photographs. And the thread is ment to be about him.
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    http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...ht=FRANK+OCEAN

    Here's the Frank Ocean thread- I feel like going there and posting about Steve 5 or 6 times...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpnice View Post
    A comment rather unecessarily bitter and agressive.

    Obviously we would all like to see more of this young handsome man, apart from his underwear photographs. And the thread is ment to be about him.
    Yes it was, and he turned an observation I made to a member into a joke because he thought this thread (and the other four made about Grand) was being "taken away" somehow.

    My comment, and the ones preceding it, stand. Judging by the comments he decided to leave me, and his juvenile comment above about "flooding" Frank Oceans' thread, I won't be apologizing for being blunt. The only thing I won't do is respond in kind... you know, gotta get off the "high horse".
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    I don't understand all this hype. Sure, he's hot (most young guys in entertainment are, it's kind of a requirement). But his voice is forgettable and he's starting out of the closet with a very visible history. He's marketable only to a niche, the LGBT community. No notable agency will attach itself to him.

    Takes money, power, and influence to win over the masses. Can't steal the hearts of teenage girls when you openly admit to smoking pole, and have your heart set on the all-American boy, right? We've been down this road before. Once the teenage girls know you're/we're gay, you're/we're tossed into the "friend category" and no longer an object of desire. And desire is what teenagers are all about. He's not going to be a superstar, guys. I commend him for coming out and doing this -- but it will do nothing for him. Maybe people after him, but that would make him a trailblazer...and, well, he's not really talented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Callum- View Post
    I don't understand all this hype. Sure, he's hot (most young guys in entertainment are, it's kind of a requirement). But his voice is forgettable and he's starting out of the closet with a very visible history. He's marketable only to a niche, the LGBT community. No notable agency will attach itself to him.

    Takes money, power, and influence to win over the masses. Can't steal the hearts of teenage girls when you openly admit to smoking pole, and have your heart set on the all-American boy, right? We've been down this road before. Once the teenage girls know you're/we're gay, you're/we're tossed into the "friend category" and no longer an object of desire. And desire is what teenagers are all about. He's not going to be a superstar, guys. I commend him for coming out and doing this -- but it will do nothing for him. Maybe people after him, but that would make him a trailblazer...and, well, he's not really talented.
    Since when did teenage girls enter the equation? If you're not marketable to teenage girls, does that mean there's no place for you in mainstream America? Besides, he's a gay man, why would he want teenage girls screaming for him anyway?

    And with all these teenage boys making Lady Gaga into a superstar, it would be nice for them to have a gay male pop singer to admire. It sounds profitable to me.

    I don't even think he needs a teenage audience. Why do female pop stars market to the gay audience all the time? Seriously, who do you think makes more money: gay men or teenage girls?
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    ...Seriously, who do you think makes more money: gay men or teenage girls?
    Gay men MAY make more money but there are zillions more ditzy teenage heterosexual girls who love spending their parents' money
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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Gay men MAY make more money but there are zillions more ditzy teenage heterosexual girls who love spending their parents' money
    Maybe so, but I still think in this day and age, gay teenage boys are marketed to by almost every female pop star out right now, so why not one who's actually a gay male? Let them have their heartthrob for once.

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    Since when did teenage girls enter the equation? If you're not marketable to teenage girls, does that mean there's no place for you in mainstream America? Besides, he's a gay man, why would he want teenage girls screaming for him anyway?

    And with all these teenage boys making Lady Gaga into a superstar, it would be nice for them to have a gay male pop singer to admire. It sounds profitable to me.

    I don't even think he needs a teenage audience. Why do female pop stars market to the gay audience all the time? Seriously, who do you think makes more money: gay men or teenage girls?
    It's basic math, lol...there are more teenage girls than adult gay men. Combined, teens obviously have much more purchasing power and social media presence (Justin Bieber ring a bell? George Michael, Faith era, ring a bell?) than gay men. They have the ability to spend money on inane, pointless, frivolous shit like One Direction's latest eighty-five posters. There are more of them, ergo they have more interest. I'm 'gay' and I have zero interest in country music. I'm sure a lot of gay guys don't, for that matter. So he's a niche (gay) fitting into a niche (country) that historically wants nothing to do with LGBT people. Remember that lesbian country singer that came out like four years ago? I sure as Hell don't. Faded into irrelevancy.

    Marketing a heartthrob image is based on a very simple concept: You communicate/advertise to the majority for profit. You be as neutral as possible. A gay country-pop singer is not neutral.

    I, for one, am not foolish enough to endorse something/someone simply because it's/they're LGBT-oriented. Same reason why I won't buy tons of Celtic literature. Just because I'm of Irish descent, doesn't meaning I'm soaking up all things Irish. Ditto for being gay. And that is the vast difference between marketing to adults (particularly gay men) and teenage girls -- we actually take two seconds to think about what we're endorsing/purchasing.

    He'll be lucky to go Gold and end up on Sean Cody. Give it a rest.
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    Damn! I hate to witness what his unlucky life would be like if ending up on Sean Cody is lucky for him.

    Seriously, though, during that interview for Good Morning America, he suggested that he'd been stumbling around doing odd jobs here and there. Surely, even life as a niche recording artist would be more lucrative than that--especially if he could make his profit margins more favorable by avoiding all but minimal involvement with major record labels. Also, I don't struggle to imagine his being invited to perform at gay clubs and pride events around the U.S. and the world.

    I do think the song and video are boring, though. One listen and watch were enough for me. But, he seems to have excited plenty of other guys who visit J.U.B.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Callum- View Post
    I don't understand all this hype. Sure, he's hot (most young guys in entertainment are, it's kind of a requirement). But his voice is forgettable and he's starting out of the closet with a very visible history. He's marketable only to a niche, the LGBT community. No notable agency will attach itself to him.

    Takes money, power, and influence to win over the masses. Can't steal the hearts of teenage girls when you openly admit to smoking pole, and have your heart set on the all-American boy, right? We've been down this road before. Once the teenage girls know you're/we're gay, you're/we're tossed into the "friend category" and no longer an object of desire. And desire is what teenagers are all about. He's not going to be a superstar, guys. I commend him for coming out and doing this -- but it will do nothing for him. Maybe people after him, but that would make him a trailblazer...and, well, he's not really talented.
    I agree that a major record company is usually needed for promotion to get on the radio and TV. However, the media ALREADY know about Steve Grand since his video All American Boy is so gay, bold, and amazing, he's already going to get media attention when he releases his first album.

    Steve can already get on television shows like Good Morning America ect, get interviews with the LA Times, Associated Press, when he releases his first album so he already has a step up from a fresh new artist.

    Also, Ani Difranco is an independent artist, so is Macklemore sometimes being independent is the way to go. An artist can make MORE money independent than be on a major record label. I think new artists only get 10% royalties from their first album or something like that. But an independent artist who has distribution can make a lot more like 35% off of record sales maybe even more.

    I read the LA Times, the other day and Steve Grand says he's getting offers. I sincerely hope Steve PUBLISHES All American boy since it is HIS SONG! He wrote the song lyrics and the music. SO if Steve is smart he can MAKE money off the song, he can license it to commercials there is so much money this guy can make from his song! All American Boy can be used by television shows as well. There are so many avenues Steve Grand can use to monetize his song.

    Steve NEEDS a manager though, that's one thing he needs, he needs to find someone who is well connected in the music industry to give his career the push it needs in the right direction. Right now, Steve has momentum and he needs to build on it.

    Success is relative, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Callum- View Post
    It's basic math, lol...there are more teenage girls than adult gay men. Combined, teens obviously have much more purchasing power and social media presence (Justin Bieber ring a bell? George Michael, Faith era, ring a bell?) than gay men. They have the ability to spend money on inane, pointless, frivolous shit like One Direction's latest eighty-five posters. There are more of them, ergo they have more interest. I'm 'gay' and I have zero interest in country music. I'm sure a lot of gay guys don't, for that matter. So he's a niche (gay) fitting into a niche (country) that historically wants nothing to do with LGBT people. Remember that lesbian country singer that came out like four years ago? I sure as Hell don't. Faded into irrelevancy.

    Marketing a heartthrob image is based on a very simple concept: You communicate/advertise to the majority for profit. You be as neutral as possible. A gay country-pop singer is not neutral.

    I, for one, am not foolish enough to endorse something/someone simply because it's/they're LGBT-oriented. Same reason why I won't buy tons of Celtic literature. Just because I'm of Irish descent, doesn't meaning I'm soaking up all things Irish. Ditto for being gay. And that is the vast difference between marketing to adults (particularly gay men) and teenage girls -- we actually take two seconds to think about what we're endorsing/purchasing.

    He'll be lucky to go Gold and end up on Sean Cody. Give it a rest.
    I don't recall Steve Grand saying he wants to be like Justin Bieber? Steve is a grown ass gay man I don't think he's marketing his music to silly teenage girls. There are TONS of artists who don't market themselves to teens yet have successful careers.

    Look at K.D. Lang she's openly lesbian used to sing country yet her market is an adult market she's sold millions of records, and has hit concert tours. K.D. doesn't market herself to young people.

    Morrissey although not out of the closet is most likely gay, yet he never marketed himself to teenagers, Morrissey's fans are adult gay men, and maybe heterosexual adult men and women. Morrissey certainly never marketed himself to teenagers when he was with The Smiths and as a solo artist.

    I don't think Steve Grand needs a teen audience to have a successful career BUT he does NEED to continue being bold and making music that is progressive and different.

    Steve can't go the route of Ricky Martin or Frank Ocean, Adam Lambert, coming out and making generic boring music.

    He needs to keep on making music about the gay male experience and sing from the heart. If Steve continues to do this, I think he can build a fanbase and make good money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMojoRisin View Post
    Maybe so, but I still think in this day and age, gay teenage boys are marketed to by almost every female pop star out right now, so why not one who's actually a gay male? Let them have their heartthrob for once.
    Finally someone gets it. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    I think most teen girls- after years of seeing crushes come out, are now aware at least 1 member of every boy band is gay....honetly, they should market it that way- 3 str8, 1 bi/curious and 1 gay- cover every basis and make a fortune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMojoRisin View Post
    Maybe so, but I still think in this day and age, gay teenage boys are marketed to by almost every female pop star out right now, so why not one who's actually a gay male? Let them have their heartthrob for once.
    I agree! I hope Steve does well in the music industry!

    BTW, the YouTube video has 1,468,283 hits and counting.

    Homophobia kills!

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