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    What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    It would be interesting to hear your comments on the Paula Deen situation. Has "political correctness" gone too far? Were the mass firings necessary? Thanks.

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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    Paula is a product of her environment.

    The reality is that if you were a white person, raised in the deep Southern USA during the time period that Paula grew up, there were certain social norms that were learned, wrong as they may have been.

    Paula grew up in a world where segregation and discrimination because of skin color was an accepted norm. Schools, country clubs, sports teams, and even social organizations were segregated by color. People drank out of separate water fountains, used separate rest rooms, and even walked into public businesses through different doorways because of their skin color.

    Supposedly, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 took care of things. But, things being what they were (and in some places, still are) change comes hard. I can speak from personal experience. When I was visiting my cousin in Tuscaloosa, Alabama in 1982, I experienced segregational thinking first hand. I was walking up the main shopping street in Downtown Tuscaloosa with a group of my relatives. There was a group of African-Americans about 100 feet in front of us, walking towards us. When they saw us comi ng, they immediately went to the nearest crosswalk and crossed the street, and continued walking. My cousin, who has already lived there several years, said to me "See, they crossed the street to avoid us. They know their place." I was shocked and sickened that my own flesh and blood could even think that way.

    Whatever Paula said, was said in context of the place and times. It doesn't excuse it or make it right.

    But then, she didn't have to be forthright and be honest about it either. And I think that says volumes more about the Paula Deen of 2013, than the Paula who grew up in a segregated South.

    We all make bad decisions. Forgive her and let her move on.....
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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    She is taking a bullet for many in the South. Keep in ind I'm Canadian and I'm only going on what I know. I don't remember much time being taught about slavery and civil rights when I was in high school

    "when you know better, you do better" as Maya Angelou told Oprah ( or maybe that was an Oprah-ism).
    I think she grew up where they only knew that and using the n word was not a big deal

    I recently re-joined Xbox online and a guy was 'n1gga' and another guy was trying to call him out on it. He said"are you white?". I think he was and the guy was trying to make the point about Blacks using te word but others shouldn't. But the game started so he didn't get to call the other guy out on it.

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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    I didn't even know who she was until her now ensuing meltdown although my mother said she had heard of Paula

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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    1. She did have to be honest about it or risk being ran up on perjury charges.

    2. The only effect of this so called product of the environment crap people keep bringing up is that it forces southerners to either accept or reject the idea of white supremacy. That is what we are exposed to but people still ultimately make their own choices in what to believe. And really this idea is present in all quadrants of America. Otherwise explain racial profiling by police forces up and down both coasts and every where in between? Or the drug user rates versus the drug arrest rates....
    Please do not apologize for your opinion.

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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    Frankly, my dear, I don'tgive a damn.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ronboy View Post
    We all make bad decisions. Forgive her and let her move on.....
    But she's a public figure. And a public figure for profit, no less. Therefore, she's going to be scrutinized, and she can go to southern-fried-H-E-double-hockey-sticks for all I care.

    Plus...there's already a thread for her tastelessness.

    http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...de-in-the-past

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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    Paula hasn't said what any Southerner at one time or another in whatever context has said. If she said it 40 years ago that is one thing. If she said it recently referring to people who work for her that is another. It's so funny how people get upset over that particular word but not others.

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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    "Ah iz Whut Ah iz an I ain't gonna change."

    The most damning words anyone from the south could have said. She killed her empire right then and there. And so ironic in the week that the Voter Rights Act was struck down and within 24 hours....most of the states that were on the watch list moved to put in place new restrictive measures designed to disenfranchise voters. Cuz they iz whut they iz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    most of the states that were on the watch list moved to put in place new restrictive measures designed to disenfranchise voters.
    Source/link please.

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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    I for one do not understand how a phrase used thirty years ago is so important today. Will an upcoming star, thirty years from now be destroyed because she or he makes the statement that they want a queer to decorate for their wedding? This phrase in most parts of the country is acceptable for this time period, we may not like it but it is the truth. When we accept that a person can be sued and brought to court simply because they used a word that offended someone, it has potential to destroy our constitutional right of freedom of speech. Paula did not use the term in malice or threatening way, she used it as a figure of speech and someone with a vengeance thirty years later, destroyed her, now talk about someone being malice.

    As far as the food network letting Paula go, was to quick and to harsh for this situation. My question to them is, why did they not wait and see what the ratings for her show did? Why not let the viewers decide if they would accept the remark as being trivial in the light that it was said so long ago. As far as Paula goes, she will make it ok, she was a star for a very long time and is well off enough now to wait it out until another network decides she has a very large following and gives her another ******

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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    Not really the thrust of this thread...but one of the early cites:


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/0...n-law-changes#

    Since then, I believe that some other intitatives have been announced, but it was on a news crawl that my partner was reading to me so I haven't a clue what station was running it..either CNN or MSNBC on Morning Joe I suspect.

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    ^The other thread has links to the actual complaint. Ms. Dean's brother, Bubba, is the primary defendant and responsible for the majority of the egregious offenses.

    The plaintiff is a Caucasian employee of the last decade. The use by Ms. Deen of "little niggers" was recent.

    The restaurant where the discrimination occured (occurs) is a going concern that profited possibly from its discriminatory practices.

    Paula Deen gives no indication of being any sort of proponent of racism. She said something off-color, but if every man who used the word "bitch" at work in reference to a fellow employee or boss was held to the same standard, this hypocrisy of language would be finally understood.

    Half the human population of the planet is female, and they have been oppressed systemically, and for far longer than Africans have sold other Africans to Europeans for slaves. Sexism has worked women to death in domestic slavery for longer than history has been recorded.

    If "bitch" isn't the flashword that "nigger" is, it is only because we continue to accept the oppression of women and pay lip service to political correctness when it is a select topic. Many regions like to consider the South the island of racism when the truth is, you find it in every region of the country (and world), just often better disguised.

    I'd be stunned if Paula Deen is one whit more racist than Martha Stewart, and no one is crucifying her. Ms. Deen will and should pay for backing her brother's business and that's fair, but thinking she drove the policies is likely just convenient, not accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Not really the thrust of this thread...but one of the early cites:


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/0...n-law-changes#
    Thank you.

    Conceded that voter ID laws have potential to have Jim Crow-like impacts, but in fairness, half those states did not initiate new measures, but had measures in motion that were on hold pending the ruling.

    The whole story would be how many states not in the South have proposed voter ID laws in the last five years, how many of them are agricultural or border states, and how many of them succeeded versus Southern states.

    My impression is that it is a conservative kneejerk anti-immigration movement, not racism from the Old South. After all, Arizona is the poster child for it.

    For my own part, I have backed black candidates in local elections in Arkansas when having such a placard in my yard was a forward action. I've also worked with interracial groups to improve the status quo, which was not hostile in my hometown, btw. That doesn't make me differ with the notion that the South is held to a different standard unfairly with election laws that other regions would not be able to meet in their own legislation. One standard for all is fair. The Court ruled correctly; the onus is on the government to establish continuing regional discrimination that is exceptional.
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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    I admit to not having full knowledge of the situation so if I'm not up on that facts...sorry.

    I think she should get a pass for having used an inappropriate word 30 years ago while she was in the middle of a bank robbery with guns pointed at her. No one thinks very clearly in a situation like that and I think it's unfair to judge her under those circumstances.

    She was honest and under oath...so much for honesty being the best policy.

    Now the whole plantation style wedding thing with the mock slaves and all....well that's much more recent gives me pause about her attitudes. I mean seriously...that's just creepy.



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    Quote Originally Posted by cityboy-stl View Post
    Now the whole plantation style wedding thing with the mock slaves and all....well that's much more recent gives me pause about her attitudes. I mean seriously...that's just creepy.
    As much as I find her self-made success admirable, Ms. Deen is pretty simple-minded. I think her suggestion was a weak-minded "Gone With The Wind" romanticism that was simply seeing it all as a costume pageant. It is highly offensive, but I think the most she was guilty of was insensitivity and cluelessness.

    It is very credible that she was trying to create the plantation realistically, and just forgot that all those slaves were not there out of their choosing. They had become, like Paula's onscreen persona, two-dimensional.
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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    There is no question that the real racists out there like Sarah Palin with her 'Shuckin and Jivin' reference to Obama and a whole lot of other politicians who simply see blacks as shiftless welfare queens seem to get a pass while Paula gets pilloried. But what's done is done and Paula didn't do herself any favours with the sentence that I quoted from her interview.

    I love Paula Deen and her over the top southern comfort foods. I can easily forgive her saying 'nigger' in the4 same way as I could a dotty old aunt who says horribly inappropriate things without thinking. But I'm not selling her products. And at the end of the day, business is business and if she got thrown under the bus by her partners in flogging Paula Deen wares, then so be it.

    I would also note that this one reference isn't the nature of the suit. It was brought because of apparently systemic and continuous racism at Uncle Bubba's restaurant....a business venture that Paula Deen could have exercised considerable influence over with respect to how staff are treated there. Where Paula may be ambivalent about her relationship with the descendants of the slaves her great grandfather owned, it would seem to be clear that her brother ran an 'ole south type of operation and may not be as benign as his sister when it comes to racial sensitivity.

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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    The reaction has been way overboard. She has said some stupid things and has had occasions of insensitivity...so what. It should be pointed out to her how stupid and insensitive these things are ...then move on.
    If the word nigger was forever gone, never to be spoken again, by anyone, would it suddenly make everything right for Black Americans? Would Black-on-Black crime rates go down? Would the illegitimacy rates suddenly take a nose dive? Would graduation rates go through the roof? I doubt it.
    It's an offensive word, as is faggot, wet back, kike, spick, cracker, and a host of others. But the word nigger has been given the aura of taboo, when spoken by non-blacks.
    Anyone who believes the existence of that word is significantly responsible for the state of Black America is nuts.

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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    Paula Deen used language that, while abhorrent, was/is commonplace in her environment. Usage doesn't necessarily indicate malice on her part. Should she know better? Of course. But she has shown in the past and currently that she is not racist in practice. What is more offensive to me is the knee-jerk reaction of her sponsors and the Food Network to drop her at the first sign of an issue before all of the information had come out. She deserves some backlash for her comments, but she doesn't deserve to be destroyed.

    Also, I find it disgusting that something like this gets endless attention but no one bats an eye at the REAL racists in our pop and political culture. Paula Deen couldn't compare to the racism of, say, Donald Trump or Sarah Palin, no matter how many times she uses the N-word.
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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    It's not the fact that she admitted to using the word 30-some years ago - if people are holding that one fact over her head, they're idiots, and yes, overreacting to the fullest. It's all the other things that were admitted that I find extremely hard to forgive, because they're a LOT more recent(seriously, who actually says something like having a plantation-style wedding "Because it reminded you of the days before the Civil War"... and then doesn't get the connect that that might just be a racist thing to say considering we still had SLAVERY here?). That, and her past business/personal slip-ups(seriously, knowing you have diabeetus, but only letting your fans know once your in big poppa Diabeetus' pocket getting paid to endorse their product - all the while still selling them hot buttered lard on a stick - is pretty shitty) pretty much sealed her fate with the Food Network. It wasn't her first "controversy" with the netwrok, so it's not shocking to me that her contract wasn't renewed, though it was shocking that they "erased" her programming so fast.

    Everything else fell like dominoes... and then the racists came out, shocked that she's getting blacklisted for her past only(because everyone mentioned the N-word and leaves everything else that was said or allegedly said out), and yet BLACK people - mainly RAPPERS - aren't getting blacklisted along with her. If BLACK PEOPLE get to use the word and get away with it, how comes she's being punished for it?

    It's kinda sad when I think about it(although I know people that comment on yahoo! stories don't have much to do but be angry and complain as if they could do so much better than the writers themselves), but it's also so expected that I don't even care anymore.
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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    I really don't care for her cooking skills because it's just extremely unhealthy. It's also annoying how she was endorsing the most unhealthy food forever but then switching to a "diabetes cooking" method after she got it herself and possibly gave it to most of her fanbase.



    I'm not heavily invested in her latest drama.

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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    from what i read about the situation, she seems to be a racist person, not just a person who once said something racist a long time ago. i would get rid of her if i were the network, for publicity reasons alone, not to mention ethical reasons.
    admittedly, im not following this very closely, because honestly who gives a shit, but this is the internet, so nothings gonna stop me from expressing an opinion anyway... ^^

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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    "Ah iz Whut Ah iz an I ain't gonna change."

    The most damning words anyone from the south could have said. She killed her empire right then and there.
    She flayed the English language as well.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ronboy View Post
    Supposedly, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 took care of things. But, things being what they were (and in some places, still are) change comes hard. I can speak from personal experience.
    My friends found themselves in one of those places on a road trip last year. No one from Canada would ever even imagine to check whether this is a "white Denny's" or a "black Denny's" before they get out of their car to go in for a bite. So, they got stared at by the other diners, shitty service from the staff, and an apology from the frustrated manager who explained it all to them at the end of their meal: they had gone to the "wrong" Denny's. WTF is this supposed to show up on google maps or something?

    Anyway are you sure Paula's past is really in the context of the place and the times? Because as you point out and my friends saw, in some places, "the times" is today.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    Despite how it looks on the surface. I think Food Network is taking a wait and see approach. If you look at their website, you'll find the her show page is still there as are all her recipes. I think at some point they'll add her show back to the line-up.

    For me though it goes beyond her using the n word. If you read everything that went on, it's about more than just the n word.

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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    She was one of the top 5 earning celebrity chefs and she fucked up her career, I can't see her coming out of this. She even made it thru the mini scandal where she told everyone to cook using a lot of butter but had to stop herself due to health issues.
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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    I can't help but think there is way more to this than racial slurs to cause such devastating financial consequences. Sounds more to me like Dean pissed off someone with enough power to destroy her...and it had little to do with the case where she was being sued. Just my opinion and I have no basis of proof but something is really "off" here and the media hasn't helped her. She also failed the first commandment of public relations.....Damage Control.

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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    Without giving any opinion one way or the other about Paula, I am learning some things about her recipes and cooking. It's in the media enough that I can't hide from it. I never saw her ******

    What I am learning about her dishes (which, of course, is rather cursory), I think that I find her "cuisine" to be extraordinarily vile and appalling to my tastes. I get the idea that her cooking heavily relies on prepared foods, tons of sugar, tons of salt...not my kind of food at all. I tend to like my food "from scratch" or as close to it as possible. Using what looks like Krispy Kreme donuts as hamburger buns...YECCH...
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    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

    It's unrealistic to believe that all slurs will go away because they're politically incorrect.

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    Your first paragraph is spot on.

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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beachguyj View Post
    http://aattp.org/hey-paula-deen-symp...n-her-defense/

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    4 bullets points were about her brother Bubba.
    I hadn't heard the last bullet point
    The other bullet points have been mentioned on Today show or other media

    The article doesn't change my mind about her since almost half are from her brother.
    Does the writer have a beef with her?

    I think Paula thinks "that's just how we talked" and she didnt think more about it. I would like to know what Oprah thinks about this.

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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?


    ^I agree with his assessment of Paula Deen's current situation

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    His assessment is narrowly focused on the population that is at the fore of her detractors.

    The rocketing of her cookbooks sales during the scandal proves the public is not as alarmed or dubious about her brand as the public's keepers (industry & PC lawyers.)

    She was wrong, but the buying public wasn't outraged, the keepers of the keys were.

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    Re: What are your thoughts about the Paula Deen situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    His assessment is narrowly focused on the population that is at the fore of her detractors.

    The rocketing of her cookbooks sales during the scandal proves the public is not as alarmed or dubious about her brand as the public's keepers (industry & PC lawyers.)

    She was wrong, but the buying public wasn't outraged, the keepers of the keys were.
    And if her publishers were to ride the same wave as her other contractual employers, her books would become "collectors" items akin to Twinkies. When Hostess announced it's bankruptcy and closing, the snack cakes flew off the shelves and landed on eBay within hours.

    Dying brands always leave fossils behind.
    Please do not apologize for your opinion.

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    As has been stated by others, the corporate responses were not in response to any public cooling or disinterest. They were pre-emptive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    As has been stated by others, the corporate responses were not in response to any public cooling or disinterest. They were pre-emptive.
    Really? And you've been keeping up with her market share %s I take it? Or are you in the habit now of regurgitating what others have previously stated. Were those statements fact or opinion?

    It is my opinion that her brand suffered tremendous damage from her diabetes scandal. IMO, that was the tipping point, and this is just the exit door the corporations were waiting for.

    Cause come on, who's easier to can? A sick woman who bakes pie, or a rich, southern racist too old and set in her ways to change?
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    as far as i can tell the media is focusing on the 'N' word and not what was taking place at her businesses, which appears to be some sexual harassment.

    Paula Deen can use whatever language she wants its a free country, and people who are scapegoating her are probably just looking for ways to feel superior.


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    I can't stand the woman as I think she is morally bankrupt for promoting diabetes in other people and the drug that treats it and hiding her own disease in the process. She is greedy.

    Is she racist? Hell...I don't know. I am not convinced that using the "f" word is indicative of homophobia. I have read hundreds of opinions now and as is often the case for me I heard Jimmy Carter address the subject and I agree with his assessment.

    I still dislike her as much as I did before the controversy and it is gonna piss me off if I start feeling pity for her because of this.

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    I do not think she has any malice against blacks. She is a product of her environment. She answered the question truthfully.

    Now, the media is making a big deal from it. I think she is being targeted unjustly.

    Homophobia kills!

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    Without giving any opinion one way or the other about Paula, I am learning some things about her recipes and cooking. It's in the media enough that I can't hide from it. I never saw her ******

    What I am learning about her dishes (which, of course, is rather cursory), I think that I find her "cuisine" to be extraordinarily vile and appalling to my tastes. I get the idea that her cooking heavily relies on prepared foods, tons of sugar, tons of salt...not my kind of food at all. I tend to like my food "from scratch" or as close to it as possible. Using what looks like Krispy Kreme donuts as hamburger buns...YECCH...
    Paula also made a sweet desert with mayonnaise. I can't imagine that it would have been very delicious.

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    I am furious at the way Paul Deen is being treated. I do no think she is a racist. This is a lady who was raised in the Southern United States. Of course she has used the "N" word at some time in her life. If she said that she had not, I would know she's a liar. I'm from the South and I've used the word when I was much younger. You learn better. You grow and learn that it's a hurtful word. I do not use that word as an adult, nor do I use the "F" word.

    Yes, I've seen the clip in which Paula says tells her African American friend to step away from the blackboard so he can be seen better. It was badly worded, but she meant nothing evil by it, and I'm sure she has great love and admiration for her African American friend.

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    She is responsible to overcome her environment and act like a grown woman. I don't give her slack for her recent bigoted comments and attitudes just because others in the same area are bigoted too. There is so much more to this than one slur said 30 years ago.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    This is a lot like chick fil a. Had no time for them either.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    I understand that she is more hated than Hitler now according to the MSM.
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    Is she racist. I don't know. People throw that word around loosely. Using the N word does not make you a racist. A racist has a hatred and disdain for people of other races and does not view them as an equal human being.
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    You should see the childish people who have descended on Food Network's Facebook page. No matter what recipe FN posts they evade the comments section making comments like: "paula made it better", "unless paula is making it, I won't be watching". It very very silly and the wrong way to get FN to change their mind. Just for the record...I don't think they should change their mind, they 100% made the right call.

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    • Using the enword 20 years ago doesn't make you racist. Saying it today does.
    • Using the enword today doesn't make you racist. Firing someone does.
    • Firing someone for being black doesn't make you racist. Assaulting them does.
    • Assaulting someone for being black doesn't make you racist, lynching them does.
    • Lynching someone for being black doesn't make you racist, putting up a flaming cross at the same time does.


    Do you see how it's all just a chain of empty excuses?

    If calling someone a nigger and then wanting people to dress up like slaves while serving at a wedding isn't racist, then wtf is??
    Last edited by bankside; July 3rd, 2013 at 10:41 AM.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    And maybe the other side of the coin is that words are in fact not actions.

    People can and do say things all the time that are not representative of how they live. Sometimes it's about religion, sometimes about nation, sometimes about race, sometimes about gender, and so on.

    Even if Ms. Deen had said something derogatory about a black person, which she did not, it would not necessarily be representative of how she treats black people.

    I give most adults credit for realizing that race relations, like every other sort of social skill and learning about respect, is a process. Most Americans today know that we aren't arrived yet but that we are farrrr down the road from the 60's and before. That is not to say there are not instances, and plenty of them, of failings and transgressions, and enough to go around. As has been pointed out numerous times in these threads, the absence or presence of the word nigger is not some sacrosanct violation, despite the media and some other of our keepers' intent otherwise.

    At the end of the day, vast numbers of Americans do not think this is the scathing scandal it has been played to be by the need-to-find-controversy media outlets, or the assessment of megabusiness lawyers. Those same vast numbers aren't advocating calling anyone nigger either -- they are just realists about the imperfect nature of humans and know better than to imagine otherwise.

    The sequence just above is fictional. I've read plenty of anti-hetero and anti-breeder comments in Hot Topics over the years, and I don't believe those epithet-wielding posters were hating their parents, neighbors and 95% of the population. They didn't go on to do violent and repressive acts against the hetero population. Equating those who commit violence and those who speak insensitively is a bad syllogism. If Ms. Deen had advocated violence or repression in some intentional way, then it would have been a different story.

    Watching her for five minutes tells anyone the most she is guilty of is stupidity.
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