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    LGBT Homeless in San Francisco just the Beginning

    The San Francisco Chronicle reported this weekend the results of its twice-yearly report on its homeless population. Among other results, over a quarter of respondents—29%—self-reported being lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender. This year was the first in which the survey included sexual orientation, and has been very eye-opening for a city well-known for its gay pride.San Francisco isn’t the only city in the U.S. who has experienced this high number of LGBT individuals living on the streets. Across on the opposite coast New York City has been dealing specifically with homeless LGBT youth.… more
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    Re: LGBT Homeless in San Francisco just the Beginning

    Wow.

    I'm not totally surprised.

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    Re: LGBT Homeless in San Francisco just the Beginning

    Throw away children. Just for being gay, lesbian or transgendered. Fantastic parenting by heterosexuals.
    If you could just put a light bulb over every gay person’s head, people would see just how well-lit their streets and cities are.
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    Re: LGBT Homeless in San Francisco just the Beginning

    And this is one of the issues we must face heading forward. Marriage equality might be coming sooner versus later but other injustices remain.

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    Re: LGBT Homeless in San Francisco just the Beginning

    I'm not surprised at the fact, but am at the degree! Here, we have a high count of young homeless, and there is a high portion of GLBT because this is still redneck territory, but to think that carries to San Fran and others knocks me back a bit.

    I wonder, though, how many young homeless GLBT in cities are there from rural or small towns where they were thrown out, and went to urban areas hoping for something better?

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    Re: LGBT Homeless in San Francisco just the Beginning

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    And this is one of the issues we must face heading forward. Marriage equality might be coming sooner versus later but other injustices remain.
    Here's one of them: the fact that since Ronald Reagan, most cities "deal" with the mentally ill by throwing them on the streets. The number of mentally ill I met during my homeless stint, who should have been in group homes with at least resources to fall back on in a crisis, was high.

    Some of my ancestors -- the more civilized, I'd say -- judged that one measure of a people's greatness was how they took care of their own. By that measure, the US is about on par with ancient Sparta.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: LGBT Homeless in San Francisco just the Beginning

    Since I don't have numbers on the issue, I can only speculate. But, I would bet that quite a few of the homeless youth on the streets of any large city came from rural areas, hoping for something better. It is an interesting question, and there needs to be a way to find funding to support that study.

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    Re: LGBT Homeless in San Francisco just the Beginning

    Quote Originally Posted by cm98059 View Post
    Since I don't have numbers on the issue, I can only speculate. But, I would bet that quite a few of the homeless youth on the streets of any large city came from rural areas, hoping for something better. It is an interesting question, and there needs to be a way to find funding to support that study.
    Perhaps GOProud or Log Cabin Republicans will ante up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Here's one of them: the fact that since Ronald Reagan, most cities "deal" with the mentally ill by throwing them on the streets. The number of mentally ill I met during my homeless stint, who should have been in group homes with at least resources to fall back on in a crisis, was high..
    So, you are saying the young gays are mentally ill?

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    No one should be sleeping on the street.
    Shelter and food are quite cheap to provide.


    NEVER LISTEN TO A ONE SIDED STORY AND JUDGE.

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    Re: LGBT Homeless in San Francisco just the Beginning

    I know particularly with transgendered folk it is much much worse than gay or lesbians. The HIV rate is even worse among the homeless trans folk due to many of them turning to prostitution.

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    Re: LGBT Homeless in San Francisco just the Beginning

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    So, you are saying the young gays are mentally ill?
    No, what he is saying is that Since Ronald Reagan was president, there has been a trend towards medicating the mentally ill, and then putting them out on the streets. Once they are on the streets, they have no resources to stay on their medications, they have no safety net, and they quickly fall back into their crisis mode. Similarly, there are not resources available for LGBT youth. It probably could have been stated a little more clearly, but anyone who has worked or studied in this field knew exactly what he was saying. I suspect that you did too, but were just looking to start an argument.

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    Re: LGBT Homeless in San Francisco just the Beginning

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    So, you are saying the young gays are mentally ill?
    Do you actually reside on the third planet from the sun? (the blue one). The sun is a main sequence star approximately 186 million miles away. The planet is called earth. Here on earth, we do something called reading. For some, it can be a good way to communicate.

    With that in mind, let me direct you to the title of this thread. It has to do with those being thrown out on the streets, and why this is bad. We earthlings are able to take two elements that are mutually exclusive without comparing them, not associating the two. Those who cannot do this are considered in need of some kind of assistance.

    If I were doing the same thing, I might be able to conclude that Ronald Reagan was mentally ill and that this could have resulted from the preponderance of illegal aliens, which is what you do with great regularity. (Is Alzheimer's a form of mental illness? Was he gay?) Enquiring minds want to know.

    I don't believe he even lived in San Francisco. It's time to secure the borders!


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    Re: LGBT Homeless in San Francisco just the Beginning

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Here's one of them: the fact that since Ronald Reagan, most cities "deal" with the mentally ill by throwing them on the streets. The number of mentally ill I met during my homeless stint, who should have been in group homes with at least resources to fall back on in a crisis, was high.

    Some of my ancestors -- the more civilized, I'd say -- judged that one measure of a people's greatness was how they took care of their own. By that measure, the US is about on par with ancient Sparta.
    Quote Originally Posted by cm98059 View Post
    No, what he is saying is that Since Ronald Reagan was president, there has been a trend towards medicating the mentally ill, and then putting them out on the streets. Once they are on the streets, they have no resources to stay on their medications, they have no safety net, and they quickly fall back into their crisis mode. Similarly, there are not resources available for LGBT youth.
    I've said it before, but I'll say it again here. I had two friends (gay-partnered) who worked at an Illinois mental institution, right up to the very last day of its existence. [It was made, later, into a prison.] They worked there for years, and there were bonds formed with some of the patients. In those last days they were approached by some patients who are panicking and sometimes crying and shaking in fear, "WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO ME NOW?" These were patients who had no family to go back to, perhaps because raising mentally ill children was too "inconvenient" to those families which probably should have never had children to begin with, if inconvenience was to result in the kids becoming rubbish to be casually thrown away.

    In THAT specific mental institution, those children (and some adults who could not be independent) with no family to go back to, were merely given $50 and a one-way bus ticket to Chicago. Policies probably varied from state to state, or perhaps facility to facility. This was 1983, plus-or-minus a year, but $50 didn't do much then either. At least some of these patients were afraid that they were going to be killed, or die from exposure, because this institution closure was happening in the middle of winter.

    My friends are pretty much ABSOLUTELY sure that some of these people were, indeed, killed by Reagan, who HATED that the government might actually be spending some money to - GASP - help people survive. Of course the mantra is that the government exists only for the sole purpose of helping CORPORATIONS and pork projects.

    The treatment by those families who throw their TG, gay, etc. children into the rubbish is no better than giving them $100 (hey, gotta account for inflation) and a one-way ride to the nearest metropolis which was done thirty years ago. In some cases, it's worse. Some of these families sincerely hope that their children die on the streets, they just can't do the deed themselves because they don't want to spend the rest of THEIR lives rotting in prison.

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    Do you actually reside on the third planet from the sun? (the blue one). The sun is a main sequence star approximately 186 million miles away.
    Divide that by two; you are quoting the averaged DIAMETER (not radius) of the Earth's orbit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    So, you are saying the young gays are mentally ill?
    Reading comprehension: F.

    Where in my statement were "young gays" mentioned?
    Last edited by Kulindahr; July 5th, 2013 at 07:02 PM.

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    Re: LGBT Homeless in San Francisco just the Beginning

    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    No one should be sleeping on the street.
    Shelter and food are quite cheap to provide.
    Shelter isn't, thanks to zoning laws and building codes.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Blaming it on Reagan is incorrect. The institutionalization movement was more a liberal/Democrat movement, getting its real impetus under President Kennedy. Read the Wikipedia topic "institutionalization". "The United States has experienced two waves of deinstitutionalisation. The first wave began in the 1950s and targeted people with mental illness.[1] The second wave began roughly 15 years later and focused on individuals who had been diagnosed with a developmental disability (e.g. mental retardation).[1] Deinstitutionalisation continues today, though the movements are growing smaller as fewer people are sent to institutions.

    Numerous social forces led to a move for deinstitutionalisation; researchers generally give credit to six main factors: criticisms of public mental hospitals, incorporation of mind-altering drugs in treatment, support from President Kennedy for federal policy changes, shifts to community-based care, changes in public perception, and individual states' desires to reduce costs from mental hospitals.[1]"

    Reagan may have continued the practice in CA, but it was a liberal notion.

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    Re: LGBT Homeless in San Francisco just the Beginning

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Blaming it on Reagan is incorrect.
    Not only is it incorrect, it is blasphemy.

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