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    Supreme Court Delivers Gay Marriage Victory

    BREAKING NEWS:* Supreme Court Delivers First Gay Marriage Victory Profound Victory for basic human rights as the Supreme Court issues rulings on Gay Marriage. In 5-4 ruling, U.S. Supreme Court justices*overturn Defense of Marriage Act, saying it is unconstitutional. DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment. Roberts, Scalia, Alito, Thomas issue Disscents. Chief Robers and Scalia believe there is no jurisdiction. Kennedy states, “DOMA singles out a class of persons deemed by a State entitled ot recognition and protection to enhance their own liberty.” In Proposition 8 ruling, court dismisses based on standing.… more
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    Surprised and not at the same time. Not perfect but it could have been worse.

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    I'm happy for those that these decisions will affect! I lived to see it but my Partner didn't.
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    So pleased for all my friends and fellow homos in the US.

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    I, too, am glad I lived to see this day.

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    WHEW! That was a close one! I'd love to see the butthurt on that asshat Scalia's face right now.

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    Food for thought: What if a Republican had been elected president in 2008?

    We would not have had Sonya Sotomayor and Elena Kagan appointed to the Supreme Court.

    And we would not today be celebrating marriage equality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuryOfFirestorm View Post
    WHEW! That was a close one! I'd love to see the butthurt on that asshat Scalia's face right now.
    Scalia's dissenting opinion on DOMA is 26 pages of pure rage, in which he argues that homosexuality is immoral and should be illegal.

    It is rather bizarre.

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    Pleasing news...

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Scalia's dissenting opinion on DOMA is 26 pages of pure rage, in which he argues that homosexuality is immoral and should be illegal.

    It is rather bizarre.
    In our lifetime....amazing. Even 10 years ago, this could not have been foreseen. Equality in Federal terms is awesome and life changing for many GLBT families. Over 1100 benefits that are available to married persons are now available to all married persons. Frankly, I didn't give a fuck about marriage until somebody told me I couldn't.

    Re: Justice Scalia's dissent. Ironically the crux of the ruling is that DOMA is malicious and blatantly seeks to deprive and disable a particular group, while negating the intent of the State of New York to the contrary. Scalia's sentiments exactly. 26 pages. Really, Dude? Does this speak to some deeper feelings. Self loathing, perhaps? Hmmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Food for thought: What if a Republican had been elected president in 2008?

    We would not have had Sonya Sotomayor and Elena Kagan appointed to the Supreme Court.

    And we would not today be celebrating marriage equality.
    Precisely. Whomever the Democrat nominee was, they were going to win that one, though. But we can thank President Obama and Justices Sotomayor and Kagan for this historic day.
    Telling it like it is.

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    Scalia's pain makes me happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    I'm happy for those that these decisions will affect! I lived to see it but my Partner didn't.
    Same here. We met at 17 and spent 35 yrs. at each others side. I'm so happy that my fellow Ca. will be able to marry. Steve and I couldn't, but I'm glad I at least was able to witness it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Scalia's dissenting opinion on DOMA is 26 pages of pure rage, in which he argues that homosexuality is immoral and should be illegal.

    It is rather bizarre.
    I had to jack off several times after reading it. Butthurt from right-wing ultra-religious bigoted assholes makes me so horny.

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    Scalia can roll his bigoted fat ass over and die!
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    Obama winning in 08 was key to all of this.

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    1969 Stonewall the beginning of the gay rights movement. 10 years ago the court on this say struck down the Texas gay sex. 2008 Obama takes office and we have ally in the White House. # of states adopted right of gays to marry, today the Court gave us a victory. Like some one said if it been GOP victory in 08/12 we would be pushed back to the closet. Great day to be proud and show our pride this month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Scalia's pain makes me happy.
    Me too!

    From the horse's (ass's) mouth:

    Scalia Rages Against Supreme Courtís Gay Rights Ruling

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Scalia's dissenting opinion on DOMA is 26 pages of pure rage, in which he argues that homosexuality is immoral and should be illegal.

    It is rather bizarre.
    Scalia's rant is evidence that the majority was right.

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    I think the real beauty of it is Kennedy's point that government cannot single out any class of citizens and bestow extra privileges or benefits. That makes this an actual step toward marriage equality, because it means that whatever form of marriage people kight want to have has to be acknowledged as well.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibill1 View Post
    Same here. We met at 17 and spent 35 yrs. at each others side. I'm so happy that my fellow Ca. will be able to marry. Steve and I couldn't, but I'm glad I at least was able to witness it.
    It's a sad day also for those who could not get married. Let's be happy with the 35 years for you and 32 years for me.
    So sorry for your loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    Me too!

    From the horse's (ass's) mouth:

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    I understand, though, that it is still imperfect - that federal benefits will depend on the laws of the state where a couple resides. In other words, if a married New York couple retires to Florida, or even simply moves across the Hudson River, federal law would no longer extend to them as a couple, and they would lose all the federal benefits allowed by today's ruling. Apparently the federal benefits apply only if the couple is living in a state which recognizes same-gender marriage. Does anybody know if this it true?

    It actually doesn't make much sense to me, because even if they move to Salt Lake City, they are STILL living in the United States, and therefore I would have assumed that federal benefits would still apply.

    Of course, all places where such marriages are legal, must recognize such marriages from other jurisdictions.

    Also, what effect does this have on somebody who wants to bring in a same-sex spouse from another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Food for thought: What if a Republican had been elected president in 2008?

    We would not have had Sonya Sotomayor and Elena Kagan appointed to the Supreme Court.

    And we would not today be celebrating marriage equality.
    I never understood why THIS IS **ALWAYS** treated as a complete non-issue. Only on exceptionally rare occasions during campaign years, does the Supreme Court ever get mentioned...by ANY talking heads. (I will not watch toxic talk sources, though - perhaps Fox News, Rush, etc. do bring up this issue and suggest that a Republican president will "save" the Supreme Court - probably dressing it up by saying it "preserves balance" or something?) I have long considered that to be BY FAR the most important issue with the Presidency, but I have yet, EVER, to see it presented as an issue on any multiple-choice survey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Obama winning in 08 was key to all of this.
    Exactly. I'm very happy to see there are at least some people who recognize this.

    If it had been President John McCain for those four years, I doubt we would see a favorable Supreme Court ruling for us earlier than 2040 when, for some of us, it would no longer matter.
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    What sucks it that it had to be done with such a close ruling. The idea that 4 of the justices thought that it wasn't discriminatory is disappointing, but expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post

    As usual though...not a peep from our faux mo's on this forum.
    I agree. They never celebrate in the victories that unite us as a community for our civil rights. Why are they always so notably absent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    I agree. They never celebrate in the victories that unite us as a community for our civil rights. Why are they always so notably absent?


    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    I understand, though, that it is still imperfect - that federal benefits will depend on the laws of the state where a couple resides. In other words, if a married New York couple retires to Florida, or even simply moves across the Hudson River, federal law would no longer extend to them as a couple, and they would lose all the federal benefits allowed by today's ruling. Apparently the federal benefits apply only if the couple is living in a state which recognizes same-gender marriage. Does anybody know if this it true?

    It actually doesn't make much sense to me, because even if they move to Salt Lake City, they are STILL living in the United States, and therefore I would have assumed that federal benefits would still apply.

    Of course, all places where such marriages are legal, must recognize such marriages from other jurisdictions.
    It is my understanding that no matter where the couple resides, as long as they were married in a state that recognizes same-sex marriage, federal benefits would apply. Even if they were visiting or changed residences to another state, their marriage should still be valid and recognized in their *previous* home state, and would thus still be recognized by the federal government. I *could* be wrong, though. Anyone care to elaborate?
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    I always consider (as I've stated before) that gays who live in staunchly Republican states get completely forgotten with this whole process. Yes, it is welcome that the Supreme Court is bringing in positive changes and that rights are being granted in parts of the country, but (correct me if I'm wrong) NO rights, not even the civil unions which I support either alongside marriage or a step along the way, will ever be passed by half of the states.

    So what needs to happen at some point is a strategy to bring gay rights to those states which are never talked about here - e.g. - Utah, Wyoming, Oklahoma, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee. It will NEVER happen by their local state congress, it will NEVER happen by their ballots, so how will it EVER occur?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I think the real beauty of it is Kennedy's point that government cannot single out any class of citizens and bestow extra privileges or benefits. That makes this an actual step toward marriage equality, because it means that whatever form of marriage people kight want to have has to be acknowledged as well.
    Not so fast, Kennedy clearly states the singling out without reason is improper. It is not a free-for-all, it does not open marriage to whatever people "might want to have." Government still has the power to determine who is qualified to marry, but that definition is subject to rational scrutiny.

    If there are other people who want to marry but can't, they will first have to convince a state that there is merit in recognising the relationship. If that happens and the Feds do not approve, the burden will then be on them to demonstrate why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    I always consider (as I've stated before) that gays who live in staunchly Republican states get completely forgotten with this whole process. Yes, it is welcome that the Supreme Court is bringing in positive changes and that rights are being granted in parts of the country, but (correct me if I'm wrong) NO rights, not even the civil unions which I support either alongside marriage or a step along the way, will ever be passed by half of the states.

    So what needs to happen at some point is a strategy to bring gay rights to those states which are never talked about here - e.g. - Utah, Wyoming, Oklahoma, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee. It will NEVER happen by their local state congress, it will NEVER happen by their ballots, so how will it EVER occur?
    It will happen very soon. They will marry in New York or California, then sue to have their marriages recognised by their bigoted home states. If the Feds can't discriminate against a certain class of marriages performed in California, neither can Utah or Wyoming.

    That may settle the matter in one go. However if the court wishes to continue this piecemeal creeping toward the inevitable, perhaps we'd have a situation where North Dakota would be forced to recognise equal marriage from out of state. Then North Dakotans would be able to get married in California, but not North Dakota. This amounts to a hardship imposed on gay North Dakotans by forcing them to travel out of state to marry. It won't stand a court challenge either.

    When the hardcore neanderthal states see the writing on the wall, at least some of them will push for the only option left: to forbid anyone in the state from marrying with state recognition.
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    I agree. They never celebrate in the victories that unite us as a community for our civil rights. Why are they always so notably absent?
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    Very good day overall, pretty much what was expected. Not a sweeping declaration in favor of universal marriage equality, but a big step forward. Scalia certainly had a huge meltdown with his blistering dissent on the DOMA decision, but Kennnedy's reasoning writing for the 5-4 majority opinion was unassailable. I'm no fan of "liberal" vs "conservative" justices.... a justice's job isn't to promote policy but stick to whether laws violate in deed and in spirit the Constitution and should be as narrowly tailored as possible and Kennedy did himself proud by standing for equal protection principles here. The Proposition 8 decision was much more ideologically mixed, with Scalia and Roberts joining three liberals but was just as important, and it appears that California will soon again rejoin those states approving marriage equality, thankfully. To reiterate to all the bigots, and the misguided who oppose marriage equality, among other gay rights issues. What is sought isn't granting of "special" rights, but extension of equality under the law the basic rights of all. That is what we celebrate with today's decisions.
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    So part of DOMA was that states weren't required to recognize same sex marriages performed in other states as they are with opposite sex marriages. Will this ruling invalidate that or will states still have the ability to not recognize same sex marriages from other states?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    I understand, though, that it is still imperfect - that federal benefits will depend on the laws of the state where a couple resides. In other words, if a married New York couple retires to Florida, or even simply moves across the Hudson River, federal law would no longer extend to them as a couple, and they would lose all the federal benefits allowed by today's ruling. Apparently the federal benefits apply only if the couple is living in a state which recognizes same-gender marriage. Does anybody know if this it true?

    It actually doesn't make much sense to me, because even if they move to Salt Lake City, they are STILL living in the United States, and therefore I would have assumed that federal benefits would still apply.

    Of course, all places where such marriages are legal, must recognize such marriages from other jurisdictions.

    Also, what effect does this have on somebody who wants to bring in a same-sex spouse from another country?

    I never understood why THIS IS **ALWAYS** treated as a complete non-issue. Only on exceptionally rare occasions during campaign years, does the Supreme Court ever get mentioned...by ANY talking heads. (I will not watch toxic talk sources, though - perhaps Fox News, Rush, etc. do bring up this issue and suggest that a Republican president will "save" the Supreme Court - probably dressing it up by saying it "preserves balance" or something?) I have long considered that to be BY FAR the most important issue with the Presidency, but I have yet, EVER, to see it presented as an issue on any multiple-choice survey.


    I'll see your schadenfreude, and raise you one!


    Exactly. I'm very happy to see there are at least some people who recognize this.

    If it had been President John McCain for those four years, I doubt we would see a favorable Supreme Court ruling for us earlier than 2040 when, for some of us, it would no longer matter.
    You Sir hit upon the next step as I see it. A couple WILL fall into that paradox and then sue for being treated unfairly and that will allow a decisions as to whether a federal law trumps state laws -- in this instance same sex marriage rights.

    Incidentally, the military has already stated that a legally married same sex couple will receive benefits regardless of location.

    What Does The Death Of DOMA Mean For Same-Sex Military Couples?

    “In the event that the Defense of Marriage Act is no longer applicable to the Department of Defense,” the memo said, “it will be the policy of the Department to construe the words ‘spouse’ and ‘marriage’ without regard to sexual orientation, and married couples, irrespective of sexual orientation, and their dependents, will be granted full military benefits.”

    The Army Times, though, explains that because many states do not permit same-sex marriage, it may be more complicated than DoD suggests:

    Striking down the federal law leaves the question of what constitutes a marriage up to the states, some of which allow and recognize same-sex marriages, but more that do not. The Defense Department could decide to allow same-sex benefits in states where such marriages are legal but deny benefits in other states, creating inequality of benefits based on location in place of the current inequality based on the traditional definition of marriages.

    A bill in Congress — The Military Spouses Equal Treatment Act — aims to address that issue, according to Army Times, by revising “the definition of ‘spouse’ for military personnel policies and for military and veterans benefits.”

    I cannot find a damn link now, BUT I was in a weird position of delivering the training and receiving it from lawyers to deliver and answer questions directing from juniors when DADT fell. The standard line then was full benefits are only withheld until DOMA falls. Indeed, military members forgo many of the state law requirements for things like residence and can maintain their home state citizenship while stationed elsewhere whether abroad or in another state. So I do not see how this could affect that. Hopefully the DoD will provide spousal benefits across the nation which will be another cog in the eventual supreme court case that overturns all these bigoted and hateful state amendments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    So part of DOMA was that states weren't required to recognize same sex marriages performed in other states as they are with opposite sex marriages. Will this ruling invalidate that or will states still have the ability to not recognize same sex marriages from other states?
    Well the ruling was you cannot have a law that creates separate classes of citizens. States not providing reciprocity would be doing juts that, so i imagine it will be challenged and overturned by a lower court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    I understand, though, that it is still imperfect - that federal benefits will depend on the
    laws of the state where a couple resides. In other words, if a married New York couple retires to Florida, or even
    simply moves across the Hudson River, federal law would no longer extend to them as a couple, and they would
    lose all the federal benefits allowed by today's ruling. Apparently the federal benefits apply only if the couple is
    living in a state which recognizes same-gender marriage. Does anybody know if this it true?
    It actually doesn't make much sense to me, because even if they move to Salt Lake City, they are STILL living in
    the United States, and therefore I would have assumed that federal benefits would still apply.
    Of course, all places where such marriages are legal, must recognize such marriages from other jurisdictions
    I'm not going to Google it right now, but didn't I hear that the DOMA suit was brought by the survivor of a lesbian couple who resided in Michigan and were married in Canada?

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    There is no reason for the federal government to deem a couple unmarried based on their current location.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Did anyone read Scalia's dissent? It reads like a freshmen college student wrote it and it contains what appears to be him abdicating the Constitutional duties granted to the court to determine the constitutionality of issues. One I found most telling is:

    “We have no power to decide this case,” Scalia wrote. “And even if we did, we have no power under the Constitution to invalidate this democratically adopted legislation. The Court’s errors on both points spring forth from the same diseased root: an exalted conception of the role of this institution in America.”
    This guy can't be serious. The Supreme Court was established in the Constitution to answer questions of whether or not a law is Constitutional. And where was this reasoning when he cast his opinion to overturn the "democratically adopted legislation" in Citizens United?

    You should read his dissent (which of course the ever non-present Clarence Thomas joined in on). It's like a spoiled kid throwing a temper tantrum because he didn't get his way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    There is no reason for the federal government to deem a couple unmarried based on their current location.
    This will be temporary. The lawsuits will be coming.

    Rachel had a good example tonight. A same sex couple... wed in NY, transfered to Utah for work.... spouse and children in tow. Would they not be married in Utah too? Lawsuits will show discrimination and state's laws will be overturned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    Did anyone read Scalia's dissent? It reads like a freshmen college student wrote it and it contains what appears to be him abdicating the Constitutional duties granted to the court to determine the constitutionality of issues. One I found most telling is:


    This guy can't be serious. The Supreme Court was established in the Constitution to answer questions of whether or not a law is Constitutional. And where was this reasoning when he cast his opinion to overturn the "democratically adopted legislation" in Citizens United?

    You should read his dissent (which of course the ever non-present Clarence Thomas joined in on). It's like a spoiled kid throwing a temper tantrum because he didn't get his way.
    There still are a great many people who believe that if you're a homosexual there's something "wrong" with you. Also it's a choice that you could overcome it with the love of a pretty girl.

    About 10 years ago after telling a medical doctor I was gay, he replied, "is this something you can't control?" After replying it's not about control it's who you are he didn't want to talk about it anymore. That's the mindset of people like Scalia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Not so fast, Kennedy clearly states the singling out without reason is improper. It is not a free-for-all, it does not open marriage to whatever people "might want to have." Government still has the power to determine who is qualified to marry, but that definition is subject to rational scrutiny.

    If there are other people who want to marry but can't, they will first have to convince a state that there is merit in recognising the relationship. If that happens and the Feds do not approve, the burden will then be on them to demonstrate why.
    That's exactly backwards -- it's an end to government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

    THe only reason to single out is if someone is doing harm. The burden is on government to show that there is harm.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Well the ruling was you cannot have a law that creates separate classes of citizens.
    Exactly. If Kennedy's argument is to be followed, then if five people who up at a courthouse in Yreka, California, seeking a joint marriage certificate, the state will have to provide one -- if they refuse, then the five will have a sound argument that the state is failing to provide marriage equality because it's creating a separate class of citizens.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    The Supreme Court was established in the Constitution to answer questions of whether or not a law is Constitutional.
    Not specifically, but that's the end result of "The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution...." following on "The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish."

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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