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    SCOTUS guts the Voter Rightsn Act

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23051808

    Well this is a ahock.

    For those of us outside of the US, the big question is whether this nation, with a history of voter suppression can be trusted not to return to the same behaviour that necessitated the Act in the first place. The GOP must be popping the champagne corks today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23051808

    Well this is a ahock.

    For those of us outside of the US, the big question is whether this nation, with a history of voter suppression can be trusted not to return to the same behaviour that necessitated the Act in the first place. The GOP must be popping the champagne corks today.
    Remember, those Southern States were solidly Democrat in the bad old days of voter suppression and virtually never voted Republican. Democrats must be grinding their teeth at the thought that illegal aliens will no longer be allowed to vote.

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    Let's see if I have this right. The Republicants want the Hispanic to vote for the GOP. So, with this change in the law, isn't voter suppression gonna keep Hispanics from voting?
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    Once again the gang of 5 on the Court strikes down rights of citizens. Those GOP states will jump on the band wagon to find ways to deny individuals the right to vote. The Court moves us back to the 19th. century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23051808

    Well this is a ahock.

    For those of us outside of the US, the big question is whether this nation, with a history of voter suppression can be trusted not to return to the same behaviour that necessitated the Act in the first place. The GOP must be popping the champagne corks today.
    Texas has already put in new voting restrictions that require id's, etc. Those four smug-looking bastards in the photo on Huffpost should be ashamed of themselves--but they have no concept of what shame means. When the Democrats are back in control they will rewrite the law and pass it.

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    Well, I see benvolio (what an ironic name and contradiction to his postings) is back in the old conservative saddle.

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    Re: SCOTUS guts the Voter Rightsn Act

    my understanding of the ruling is that oversight and federal approval is still required for voting changes, it's just mandating that the formula to determine which districts require this oversight gets updated.

    has the formula been updated since the VRA was passed in the 60's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Democrats must be grinding their teeth at the thought that illegal aliens will no longer be allowed to vote.
    No, we are grinding our teeth at the thought that American citizens are no longer being allowed to vote.

    If the GOP cannot convince Americans to vote for their policies, they should change their policies. Not the voters.
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    The Republican justices were the usual suspects in this case. I knew months ago exactly how EVERY one of the nine Justices were likely to vote.

    Another reason that I will never, ever, EVER again vote for any Republican in my lifetime...under ANY circumstances. They are 100% the Party who wants to restrict voting to white Christian male property owners. Just watch...it's coming...I predict there will be some states restricting women from voting before 2016.
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    The challenge to the act and the decision of the Court are the result of the Democrat DOJ, in bad faith, using it to facilitate voter fraud and prevent the states from preventing it. New standards will be adopted to protect legal voters and prevent illegal voting. Remember, an illegal vote nullifies someone else's legal vote. Protecting voters rights has not been working. Equally bad, voters have been convinced of rigged elections.

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    Whatever act takes its place has to eliminate gerrymandering.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Whatever act takes its place has to eliminate gerrymandering.
    In theory, we would all agree. In fact, it naively assumes that there is an objectively correct, fair, non-partisan way to re-district. In practice, in areas where there are pocket of voters of both parties, any line drawing has political consequences and will be called gerrymandering by the one part or the other. As an example, at one time the Democrat Congress passed a law requiring minority members (Democrat, of course) to be grouped together, rather than spread among several districts where they would be minority with less chance to elect. Whoops, the result was to create some minority districts but more districts with permanent Republican majorities. Objectivity correct districts may sound possible but it often they are not. Correct is often subjective, depending on which party is helped.
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    The overarching principle of an electorate divided into geographic constituencies is, of course, geography. Remembering that principle should help address spurious concerns about gerrymandering.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    They took out one section. Get a grip rareboy.

    Times changes, people change.

    You guys said over and over again last year that there was no voter fraud. I'm not sure I see where you're coming from -- but I have noticed that the ruling is helping the dem's collect a lot of cash -- so how bad can it be.

    Congress has the responsibility to write something new.


    ... and you don't even live here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    The overarching principle of an electorate divided into geographic constituencies is, of course, geography. Remembering that principle should help address spurious concerns about gerrymandering.
    Would you then disagree with the 1982 Amendment to the Voting Rights Act which required the carving out of minority -majority districts (Democrat, of course)?

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    It is sad that all of the republican and probably the less publicized democratic attempts at stealing the districts.

    Maddow showed last night that most recently Texas was stopped from making the white area serviced by enough polling stations for 6,500 folks to be served and the minority areas being serviced at a ratio of 67,000 per voting station....

    I hope they are still in a law gutting mode.... DOMA needs some gutting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Would you then disagree with the 1982 Amendment to the Voting Rights Act which required the carving out of minority -majority districts (Democrat, of course)?
    I would disagree with fighting gerrymandering with more gerrymandering. The election is supposed to be a contest of ideas, not of skill at gerrymandering.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Election Fraud is a RED HERRING. There is not an issue of Election fraud. http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp

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    Quote Originally Posted by cm98059 View Post
    Election Fraud is a RED HERRING. There is not an issue of Election fraud. http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp
    You source does not show that fraud did not occur, even if you accept that it did not affect the election. We are entitled to honest elections and elections the can be accepted as honest. We should not allow double voting, voting by the dead, or by illegals. The states have the right to insist on voter ID as the best way to eliminate fraud. We do not believe or trust your claim that Democrats do not have IDs--how do they cash their welfare checks, ride buses, trains, etc. If some Democrats do not have IDs then the solution is to get Them IDs, not to facilitate fraud.
    The court's decision will require a compromise which will vastly improve our voting system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    You source does not show that fraud did not occur, even if you accept that it did not affect the election. We are entitled to honest elections and elections the can be accepted as honest. We should not allow double voting, voting by the dead, or by illegals. The states have the right to insist on voter ID as the best way to eliminate fraud. We do not believe or trust your claim that Democrats do not have IDs--how do they cash their welfare checks, ride buses, trains, etc. If some Democrats do not have IDs then the solution is to get Them IDs, not to facilitate fraud.
    The court's decision will require a compromise which will vastly improve our voting system.
    There is no proof that VOTER FRAUD exists. If you have proof give us evidence.


    And By the Way, I never said people do not have id's you did
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    Further more, it is in bad form for you to make the blanket statement that Democrats are on Welfare.

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    The issue has come up because of the Democrats insistence that IDs not be required. States are entitled to prevent fraud without proving how much is happening. So long as IDs cannot be required the possibility and suspicion of fraud will nag us. The people are entitled to believe their elections are honest. The more the Democrats resist measures to insure honesty, the more others will suspect dishonest intent.
    I did not suggest all Democrats are on welfare, but they posture, that there are vast numbers so desperately poor that they cannot afford any form of ID. Obviously citizens that poor will qualify for some form of welfare requiring ID. If not, let's give them IDs. Problem easily solved.
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    Again, where is your proof that voter fraud exists. Every claim of voter fraud in the last election cycle has been proven to be false. If Snopes can prove every claim of voter fraud to be false, there has to be a credible way for you to prove voter fraud exists, and if you can't then you need to stop making the claim.

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    A. Republicon members of the Supreme Court don't wear hoods.

    Supreme Court justices were not intended to form policy. They have morphed into "legislators with robes."

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    The overarching principle of an electorate divided into geographic constituencies is, of course, geography. Remembering that principle should help address spurious concerns about gerrymandering.
    I've said before...I think the best solution to avoid Gerrymandering (a word which is based on a PERSON's name from the 1800's), would be a requirement that no 5-digit Zip Code could ever exist in two different U. S. Congressional Districts, and that all Zip Codes within a district absolutely must be contiguous via adjacent land, or the most natural water separation available. (For example, Avalon CA/Catalina Island would need to be in the same Orange County district which is closest to that island; Staten Island NYC would need to be under the same District as the closest part of Brooklyn, etc.)

    I don't think there is any such thing as more than 50,000 or 60,000 people in a single Zip Code (or perhaps some exceptions in Manhattan NYC), and the District would include a combination of contiguous Zip Codes coming closest as possible to the average population per District.

    If a state with 6,800,000 people has TEN Congressional Districts, the average population per District is 680,000. A particular cluster of Zip Codes would give that District 661,000 people - or 703,000 with the smallest contiguous Zip Code added in. (I'm assuming an urban/suburban situation.) The District would need to stay with the 661,000 because that's closest to the average.

    Only some of the Districts in the most densely populated areas may fail to come close to the average. Most districts would include some small Zip Codes which may have fewer than 1,000 people in them - such as small towns - and it would be easy to come very close to the statewide average.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Get a grip rareboy.

    Congress has the responsibility to write something new.

    ... and you don't even live here.
    Maybe he doesn't live here, but his Canadian lifestyle WILL be affected by what goes on in the United States. This country has the rare ability to affect, and break (by its choice) nearly any other location, region, or nation that "we" decide to break. This is a dangerous power which no nation should have, but China has that power as well.

    Other than that, I believe that the United States has died today.
    "All legal U. S. residents who are 18 years or older, shall have an unconditional right to vote." - We need a 28th Amendment to the U. S. Constitution which resembles this...NOW!

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    The only way Republicans can win now in many areas is to simply supress the vote. Mark my words,between this,the immigration bill and IF they uphold DOMA and Prop 8,the backlash against the Republican party will be bigger then it already is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    I've said before...I think the best solution to avoid Gerrymandering (a word which is based on a PERSON's name from the 1800's), would be a requirement that no 5-digit Zip Code could ever exist in two different U. S. Congressional Districts, and that all Zip Codes within a district absolutely must be contiguous via adjacent land, or the most natural water separation available. (For example, Avalon CA/Catalina Island would need to be in the same Orange County district which is closest to that island; Staten Island NYC would need to be under the same District as the closest part of Brooklyn, etc.)

    I don't think there is any such thing as more than 50,000 or 60,000 people in a single Zip Code (or perhaps some exceptions in Manhattan NYC), and the District would include a combination of contiguous Zip Codes coming closest as possible to the average population per District.

    If a state with 6,800,000 people has TEN Congressional Districts, the average population per District is 680,000. A particular cluster of Zip Codes would give that District 661,000 people - or 703,000 with the smallest contiguous Zip Code added in. (I'm assuming an urban/suburban situation.) The District would need to stay with the 661,000 because that's closest to the average.

    Only some of the Districts in the most densely populated areas may fail to come close to the average. Most districts would include some small Zip Codes which may have fewer than 1,000 people in them - such as small towns - and it would be easy to come very close to the statewide average.


    Maybe he doesn't live here, but his Canadian lifestyle WILL be affected by what goes on in the United States. This country has the rare ability to affect, and break (by its choice) nearly any other location, region, or nation that "we" decide to break. This is a dangerous power which no nation should have, but China has that power as well.

    Other than that, I believe that the United States has died today.
    The US cannot sustain the disproportionate impact it has had historically beyond its borders. The great accomplishments and potential of the US as an ally, trading partner, etc. have been called into question by its excess from time to time. Containment of American national ego used to be a rational policy objective for smaller countries, but I don't think we need to do that any more. The US is on a more sustainable path now, and other countries have progressed.

    And I don't think the US has lost its way in this decision. The judgement was politicised by the majority of the court, but not terribly. They only dared ask Congress for a new test against which to measure the performance of historically-bigoted states. They did not eviscerate the right of the Federal Government to control the behaviour of states that engage in racist election manipulation.

    The decision could end up strengthening the law by drawing on contemporary experience of anti-democratic practices and adapting the law to respond.

    OH! As far as the boundaries of each riding, the US does set a better example than most countries in stringently requiring the populations to be balanced equally. In our system, some ridings can formally have more than others; there isn't even an attempt to balance them equally. Thus some places have only one Member of Parliament for every five that another part of the country might get to elect. It's preposterous.
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    My hippy feeling is that everyone should be able to vote immediately wherever whoever you are : to be subject to the laws of any group you had no say in electing and you are from second one is to be a slave .

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    Quote Originally Posted by darden View Post
    my understanding of the ruling is that oversight and federal approval is still required for voting changes, it's just mandating that the formula to determine which districts require this oversight gets updated.

    has the formula been updated since the VRA was passed in the 60's?
    But that will never happen, so the whole act is dead. And of course Roberts knew that.

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    csb: While I agree with you in theory, I do have some issues with the practice. I agree that everyone should have the right to vote. But I see the need for a minimum age for voting. I could make a case for the age of majority to be 16. But I would feel that the age of majority should cover all things. Driving, Ownership of property, Entering into a contract, Voting, Entering into the armed forces, and Deciding what you can do with your body. At the age of 16, the majority of people have already made choices regarding how they intend to live their lives. The majority also still have some input into their decisions from their parents at this age. Making the age of majority benefits the majority of the population because they are able to see the effects o their decisions, and because they still have two years where they are usually in school and receive input and guidance from their parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Remember, those Southern States were solidly Democrat in the bad old days of voter suppression and virtually never voted Republican. Democrats must be grinding their teeth at the thought that illegal aliens will no longer be allowed to vote.
    You are such a predictable liar: numerous times in this forum it has been demonstrated to you that illegal alien are not allowed to vote.

    I call on the mods to implement a multiple-month ban for this repeated and dedicated commitment to lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Let's see if I have this right. The Republicants want the Hispanic to vote for the GOP. So, with this change in the law, isn't voter suppression gonna keep Hispanics from voting?
    Since they can now suppress voting at will, there will be no need to pretend they like anyone but rich, white people claiming to be Christian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cynicus View Post
    Well, I see benvolio (what an ironic name and contradiction to his postings) is back in the old conservative saddle.
    That's a deep insult to conservatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darden View Post
    my understanding of the ruling is that oversight and federal approval is still required for voting changes, it's just mandating that the formula to determine which districts require this oversight gets updated.

    has the formula been updated since the VRA was passed in the 60's?
    Twice, as I recall -- in the mid-70s and in or about 2004.

    And no, at the moment all suppression laws are legal until the federal government brings suit and wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The challenge to the act and the decision of the Court are the result of the Democrat DOJ, in bad faith, using it to facilitate voter fraud and prevent the states from preventing it. New standards will be adopted to protect legal voters and prevent illegal voting. Remember, an illegal vote nullifies someone else's legal vote. Protecting voters rights has not been working. Equally bad, voters have been convinced of rigged elections.
    Again you repeat lies that have been proven to be lies.

    Mods -- how about six months?

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    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    In theory, we would all agree. In fact, it naively assumes that there is an objectively correct, fair, non-partisan way to re-district.
    There is -- it's called "mathematics". It's a simple problem in boundary minimization and population equalization.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    There is -- it's called "mathematics". It's a simple problem in boundary minimization and population equalization.
    This is a good point. Mathematicians can easily do that.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Remember, those Southern States were solidly Democrat in the bad old days of voter suppression and virtually never voted Republican. Democrats must be grinding their teeth at the thought that illegal aliens will no longer be allowed to vote.
    I know! When will Boehner finally get the House to stop staplers from voting? Everyone knows staplers always vote for the Democrat Party. It was Carter who let staplers have the vote anyway, part of Affirmative Action for Office Products Program that he was letting the UN cram down everyone's throat. Clearly an injustice.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    This is a good point. Mathematicians can easily do that.
    I used to be able to easily do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The issue has come up because of the Democrats insistence that IDs not be required. States are entitled to prevent fraud without proving how much is happening. So long as IDs cannot be required the possibility and suspicion of fraud will nag us. The people are entitled to believe their elections are honest. The more the Democrats resist measures to insure honesty, the more others will suspect dishonest intent.
    I did not suggest all Democrats are on welfare, but they posture, that there are vast numbers so desperately poor that they cannot afford any form of ID. Obviously citizens that poor will qualify for some form of welfare requiring ID. If not, let's give them IDs. Problem easily solved.
    You keep implying that vote fraud exists in a grand scale. But repeatedly I have shown you that your claims are false and misleading. So here we go again, this time from the New York Times.

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    Source Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/wa...anted=all&_r=0

    I fail to see where these fears of voter fraud need to result in the disenfranchisement of thousands or hundreds of thousands of voters, which it seems that the republican party seems to be trying to do.
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    American now living in Europe. I am white am an Army Vet and The U.S. is and always has been the most racist country on Earth with a touch of Jesus. Look at comments on CBS News when it concerns Obama. (Trust me I voted for him but do not think he is great) Look at the remarks people make nothing about him going the wrong way just remarks that are down right racist!.
    Terrible. Remember when people would get in trouble with police if they wore a T Shirt making fun of Bush The Ass hole. Enough said

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    Everyone should have the immediate direct right in a democracy to at least affect the laws that can imprison or kill them . You are always subject to these laws .

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    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    My hippy feeling is that everyone should be able to vote immediately wherever whoever you are : to be subject to the laws of any group you had no say in electing and you are from second one is to be a slave .
    If I don't live in your community, why should I be allowed to vote for higher taxes on you, or for your representatives on the city council, school board, or in Congress. Why should I get to vote several times, nullifying and cancelling your vote?

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    Americans are entitled to honest elections whether the Democrats like it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    You are such a predictable liar: numerous times in this forum it has been demonstrated to you that illegal alien are not allowed to vote.

    I call on the mods to implement a multiple-month ban for this repeated and dedicated commitment to lying.
    You want to ban yourself?

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    The ruling at least gives our favorite fake reverend -- Rev. Al -- the chance to scream and yell on TV.

    He is one weird man.

    I looked yesterday, he still owes federal taxes of $2.6 million, state taxes of over $900,000 and unemployment taxes to the state from his organization.

    Makes you wonder why he isn't in jail.

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    proof of residency and ability to vote are quite separate issues . Moreover you vote for some individual not on any policy . I am saying residence as a determining factor should be reduced to nothing but still legally wherever you are you can only vote once .

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    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    proof of residency and ability to vote are quite separate issues . Moreover you vote for some individual not on any policy . I am saying residence as a determining factor should be reduced to nothing but still legally wherever you are you can only vote once .
    Elections often include issues as well as people: amendments to State Constitutions, city chargers, bond issues, etc. And individuals run on issues such as tax increases. Non-residents should not be allowed to vote. It is easy to vote for higher taxes which someone else will have to pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The ruling at least gives our favorite fake reverend -- Rev. Al -- the chance to scream and yell on TV.

    He is one weird man.

    I looked yesterday, he still owes federal taxes of $2.6 million, state taxes of over $900,000 and unemployment taxes to the state from his organization.

    Makes you wonder why he isn't in jail.
    You know you and Paula Deen have something in common. The both you swear you don't have a "bigoted bone" in your body but spend more time making bigoted indignation towards black Americans. Let's not forget how you like to use the n-word...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    OH! As far as the boundaries of each riding, the US does set a better example than most countries in stringently requiring the populations to be balanced equally. In our system, some ridings can formally have more than others; there isn't even an attempt to balance them equally. Thus some places have only one Member of Parliament for every five that another part of the country might get to elect. It's preposterous.
    I didn't know that at all. I always assumed the ridings were always "similar" in population to each other. Which ridings are the ones which have "every five that another part of the country might get to elect" - are these smaller-populated ridings the rural ones?

    Is this true only on the national level, or are provincial ridings (i.e. the ones where the MP's sit in Ottawa, Victoria, Fredericton, etc.) also disproportionate?

    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    My hippy feeling is that everyone should be able to vote immediately wherever whoever you are : to be subject to the laws of any group you had no say in electing and you are from second one is to be a slave .
    Even better yet, have a law like Australia has - where everybody of voting age (and who is legally allowed by adequate immigration status) is required to vote.

    Quote Originally Posted by hotatlboi View Post
    But that will never happen, so the whole act is dead. And of course Roberts knew that.
    Absolutely true. Congress has a difficult time passing anything more important than naming Post Office buildings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    You are such a predictable liar: numerous times in this forum it has been demonstrated to you that illegal alien are not allowed to vote.
    Well, he didn't lie ENTIRELY...he actually said that the Democratic Party - corrected for official name - ruled the South (up to half a century ago, approximately). The Democratic Party used to be the big party of über-racists.
    "All legal U. S. residents who are 18 years or older, shall have an unconditional right to vote." - We need a 28th Amendment to the U. S. Constitution which resembles this...NOW!

    VOTING: Just remember: "Be careful of what you DON'T wish for. You might just get it." GET OUT AND VOTE for what you DO wish for.

    "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires" - Susan B. Anthony

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