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    Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Please don't pretend to care about jobs or the environment. The Democrats are totally focused on robbing millions of Americans of their chance at employment or decent wages by rushing 11 million illegals to legal status. Once the bill passes, most, as minority members will qualify for affirmative action, while discriminating in favor of citizens will be illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Please don't pretend to care about jobs or the environment. The Democrats are totally focused on robbing millions of Americans of their chance at employment or decent wages by rushing 11 million illegals to legal status. Once the bill passes, most, as minority members will qualify for affirmative action, while discriminating in favor of citizens will be illegal.
    Well Democrats know that at least 90% of these people being legalized are future Democrats.

    I'm personally pro-life so I'm not bothered by them restricting abortions after 20 weeks. By then, shouldn't the mother know?
    I used to be like that, but not anymore. At least not on the first date. Third date, whole other story..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    Well Democrats know that at least 90% of these people being legalized are future Democrats.
    Do you have links to back up your statement? Or do you suspect republicans believe this so that's why they're so dead set against it?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    I'm personally pro-life so I'm not bothered by them restricting abortions after 20 weeks. By then, shouldn't the mother know?
    Thank you for your advice on medical science JQ. How many years of obstetrics did you have?

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    The exact percentage is not the point. Immigrants and Hispanics in particular vote overwhelmingly Democrat, because that party promises to hurt Americans for their benefit. That of corse, is THE reason immigration increase, euphemistically called "reform" , is the number one item on the Democrat agenda.

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Well, non-citizens can't vote. So legal immigrants are barred from the political process for at least 5 years, but many that don't know English or live in poverty don't ever apply. It's also against your argument that it can take several years just to get paperwork from the citizenship agency AFTER applying. And illegal immigrants can't do squat.

    There many reasons why immigrants vote Democratic--there aren't any parties as conservative as the Rethuglicans anywhere close...so Democratic is the only party that's similar to their original political affiliations. Democrats are also sensitive to poverty on the national level...Republicans in federal offices aren't as involved.

    Democrats don't offer to hurt other Americans. That's ignorant hate talking. It doesn't hurt anyone.

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Good, hopefully it'll keep the nutcase republican party out of government for decades.
    "You may only be one person to the world, but you may also be the world to one person"
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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Democrats promise higher and higher taxes on Americans to pay for benefits for the immigrants; welfare, food stamps, public schools, health care, etc etc.
    They promise to make employment of the immigrants legal during a time of increasing poverty and unemployment, all hurting Americans to win the loyalty of non Americans.

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by BENDERBOY View Post
    Good, hopefully it'll keep the nutcase republican party out of government for decades.
    If only--but they have controlled this country for some time and it looks like they will continue to for some time to come--
    -Anyway--I see it as millions of cute guys coming into the country---so I'm all for it.

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    during a time of increasing poverty and unemployment
    Though the economy is still recovering from the longest recession since WWII, poverty and unemployment do not appear to be increasing.

    From 2001 through 2004 the poverty rate steadily increased from a record-tying historical low achieved during the 1990s. The rate did not recede significantly before the December 2007 recession and rose dramatically when the economy faltered. It has remained constant (15%) for each of the last two reporting periods. The estimates for 2012 will not be available until late summer, but the Congressional Research Service predicts they will show the rate holding steady or beginning to fall. [Link]

    Total employment has been improving since the end of the recession, but has not yet exceeded levels from late summer 2008 – when it was in decline from a previous high in January 2008. [Link]

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Inserting another 11 million poor and unemployed, plus the annual million or so is not progress. Many of those poor have been so for generations, in large part because they have to compete with the influx of immigrants willing to work cheap. A decent society would call a moratorium on immigration of more poor people to give our own a chance.

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Rushing????? Rushing?????

    a 13 year path to citizenship is rushing????

    And the bill was authored by Rubio?????

    Are you even for real?

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Even today illegals cannot be required to show ID.
    13 years to a one party system and socialism seems like a rush to me.

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    This is not new ,Reagan did this first then Bush sr. and Clinton also.

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Though the economy is still recovering from the longest recession since WWII, poverty and unemployment do not appear to be increasing.

    From 2001 through 2004 the poverty rate steadily increased from a record-tying historical low achieved during the 1990s. The rate did not recede significantly before the December 2007 recession and rose dramatically when the economy faltered. It has remained constant (15%) for each of the last two reporting periods. The estimates for 2012 will not be available until late summer, but the Congressional Research Service predicts they will show the rate holding steady or beginning to fall. [Link]

    Total employment has been improving since the end of the recession, but has not yet exceeded levels from late summer 2008 – when it was in decline from a previous high in January 2008. [Link]
    Facts. So confusing.

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    I just can't get you to show even a tiny, tiny bit of compassion for the millions and millions stuck in long term poverty and unemployment, huh?

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Though the economy is still recovering from the longest recession since WWII, poverty and unemployment do not appear to be increasing.

    From 2001 through 2004 the poverty rate steadily increased from a record-tying historical low achieved during the 1990s. The rate did not recede significantly before the December 2007 recession and rose dramatically when the economy faltered. It has remained constant (15%) for each of the last two reporting periods. The estimates for 2012 will not be available until late summer, but the Congressional Research Service predicts they will show the rate holding steady or beginning to fall. [Link]

    Total employment has been improving since the end of the recession, but has not yet exceeded levels from late summer 2008 – when it was in decline from a previous high in January 2008. [Link]
    I haven't had a chance to read the links yet, but will do at some point.
    The Supplementary Poverty Measure does indeed put the poverty rate at around 15-16%. but its statistical methods are problematic.

    The poverty line was roughly equal to 50 percent of median income when it was set in the 1960s. It has now declined to about 36 percent. So today’s official poor are further behind the average income—in a word, poorer—than their counterparts were 50 years ago. If we measured the number of Americans who are below 50 percent of the median income, 22.6 percent (69.1 million) are poor—nearly half again as high as the official poverty rate of 15.1 percent.
    http://prospect.org/article/mismeasuring-poverty

    Apologies, Benvolio, for derailing your thread.

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Though the economy is still recovering from the longest recession since WWII, poverty and unemployment do not appear to be increasing.

    From 2001 through 2004 the poverty rate steadily increased from a record-tying historical low achieved during the 1990s. The rate did not recede significantly before the December 2007 recession and rose dramatically when the economy faltered. It has remained constant (15%) for each of the last two reporting periods. The estimates for 2012 will not be available until late summer, but the Congressional Research Service predicts they will show the rate holding steady or beginning to fall. [Link]

    Total employment has been improving since the end of the recession, but has not yet exceeded levels from late summer 2008 – when it was in decline from a previous high in January 2008. [Link]
    Oops. The market down 353.87 because the Fed may stop artificially pumping up the economy with borrowed money. Not a good time to import poverty and unemployment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I just can't get you to show even a tiny, tiny bit of compassion for the millions and millions stuck in long term poverty and unemployment, huh?
    Oh we care about them. We're just not dumb enough to think illegal immigration is at fault.
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Oh we care about them. We're just not dumb enough to think illegal immigration is at fault.
    You are not smart enough to realize that immigration makes the problem much worse.

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I just can't get you to show even a tiny, tiny bit of compassion for the millions and millions stuck in long term poverty and unemployment, huh?
    As if you have any compassion for any but the white ones.... (ya know...the REAL Americans!)

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    You are not smart enough to realize that immigration makes the problem much worse.
    Why do you even bother writing this out each time? You should just cut and paste your 13,000 other posts that say the exact same thing. You don't like immigrants. TRUST me, WE GET IT!

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy View Post
    As if you have any compassion for any but the white ones.... (ya know...the REAL Americans!)
    I defy to show us an instance in which you showed us in this forum concern for anyone. Hatred for others does not count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Hatred for others does not count.
    Not hatred sweetheart, DISDAIN

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Benvolio must be an immortal being. Wasn't aware that 13 years constituted a "rush".

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by EastMed View Post
    I haven't had a chance to read the links yet, but will do at some point. The Supplementary Poverty Measure does indeed put the poverty rate at around 15-16%. but its statistical methods are problematic.

    [From the linked article] If we measured the number of Americans who are below 50 percent of the median income, 22.6 percent (69.1 million) are poor—nearly half again as high as the official poverty rate of 15.1 percent.
    According to the US Census Bureau, median household income in 2011 was about $50,000. Thus, 50 percent of that amount would be about $25,000. While it doesn’t surprise me to learn than 22.6 percent of households earn $25,000 or less, I regard that simplification of the data to be somewhat naïve and certainly not statistically sophisticated. Using a randomly selected measurement that is based entirely on income seems remarkably less informative than the SPM.

    It appears to me that Dr. Levinson’s article primarily laments the fact that persons who do not currently meet poverty standards are disallowed from receiving the assistance they need. How do you see it?

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I just can't get you to show even a tiny, tiny bit of compassion for the millions and millions stuck in long term poverty and unemployment, huh?
    Other than limiting the nation's population growth, what actions do you think the government should undertake to provide assistance to the [many] persons currently experiencing poverty and/or unemployment?

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I defy to show us an instance in which you showed us in this forum concern for anyone. Hatred for others does not count.
    I defy YOU to do that. You have no concern for the poor, no concern for anyone unlucky enough not to own a corporation really. So where do you get off playing moral police? Other members at least rode the waambulance when irradiating us with their sanctimonious duplicity, but you have never exhibited anything other than cold disgust toward various groups of people.
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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    I would rather send them back to their homeland and make them come back legally instead of putting that tax burden on us. Its a shame come over illegally have a few babies and you have welfare,drivers license,healthcare,free college education. Now the American Dream is now have a baby and Milk the system. I go down to the next town and it feels like im in a foreign country.


    All these landlords are now buying houses and renting them out to section 8 people increasing the crime.
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    You lie. I, more than anyone on this forum do frequently express concern for the poor and unemployed. You have no basis whatsoever for saying otherwise. But you, even when challenged to do so can not show that you have ever expressed concern for any American.

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    But you, even when challenged to do so can not show that you have ever expressed concern for any American.
    Oh brother! Knock off the grade school level "gotcha" game. You're basically asking him to prove a negative and calling it a win for you. Here, let me show you:

    Benvolio, I challenge you to prove in this forum where you have denied kicking puppies. If you can't quote an instance where you have denied it then we must naturally assume that you do.

    There, now you're a puppy kicker.

    Seriously, I would give anything to watch you "argue" a "case" in "court."

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    You are mistaken. I asked him to show where he has EXPRESSED concern for Americans. He has been on this forum for some time and has written many posts. The question is whether, in those posts, he has expressed concern for any Americans.

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    people robbing Americans are the republicans in congress.
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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Poor Benvolio.

    Ass handed to you once again by people who think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Poor Benvolio.

    Ass handed to you once again by people who think.
    Nonsense upon nonsense.

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Hating the GOP IS being concerned about Americans
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Hating the GOP IS being concerned about Americans
    Exactly. The GOP isn't what it was 30 years ago. It's morphed into something that is out to destroy the country and hand the remains over to the corporations and billionaires.

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    According to the US Census Bureau, median household income in 2011 was about $50,000. Thus, 50 percent of that amount would be about $25,000. While it doesn’t surprise me to learn than 22.6 percent of households earn $25,000 or less, I regard that simplification of the data to be somewhat naïve and certainly not statistically sophisticated. Using a randomly selected measurement that is based entirely on income seems remarkably less informative than the SPM.

    It appears to me that Dr. Levinson’s article primarily laments the fact that persons who do not currently meet poverty standards are disallowed from receiving the assistance they need. How do you see it?
    I have say I didn't take that view from the article, and his points against SPM remain valid in my opinion.
    Poverty and income inequality are of course intimately linked and one measure that would help alleviate the problem would be to raise the minimum wage.

    Felix Salmon:
    The minimum-wage intervention would kill a lot of birds with one stone: it’s a win-win-win-win-win-win.

    First of all, most simply and most cleanly, it would immediately raise the incomes of millions of cash-strapped Americans — precisely the people who most need to be earning more than they’re making right now. A whopping 51 million people would benefit directly, along with 30 million who would benefit indirectly: these are enormous numbers.
    This is unlikely to happen in the present political climate.
    Another feature of the issue is that not enough good jobs are being created, with large sectors of the economy engaged in what can only be described as monopolistic rent-seeking. This is not a good thing.

    Paul Krugman:
    Well, there’s no puzzle here if rising profits reflect rents, not returns on investment. A monopolist can, after all, be highly profitable yet see no good reason to expand its productive capacity. ...

    You might suspect that this can’t be good for the broader economy, and you’d be right. If household income and hence household spending is held down because labor gets an ever-smaller share of national income, while corporations, despite soaring profits, have little incentive to invest, you have a recipe for persistently depressed demand.
    http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmo...wage-stimulus/

    http://economistsview.typepad.com/ec...roduction.html

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    And yet the Democrats want more poor people, more ever more.

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Exactly. The GOP isn't what it was 30 years ago. It's morphed into something that is out to destroy the country and hand the remains over to the corporations and billionaires.
    I pretty much agree with that.

    Welcome to the new feudalism.

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    If these immigrants are legalized, they're Americans. I don't see the problem.

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    You are mistaken.
    Not in this instance

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The question is whether, in those posts, he has expressed concern for any Americans.
    And, if NOT....what CONCLUSION are you attempting to draw??????

    Let's hear it, puppy kicker (and I can call you puppy kicker since you have yet to furnish any proof from your posts that you aren't)

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy View Post
    Not in this instance



    And, if NOT....what CONCLUSION are you attempting to draw??????

    Let's hear it, puppy kicker (and I can call you puppy kicker since you have yet to furnish any proof from your posts that you aren't)
    And this is why I pop a chub every time I read one of your posts.

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Me too.
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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Another "We hate brown people" thread based on lies -- oh, yay.


    Just a matter of information: by the definitions of the Founding Fathers, a large number of those eleven million count as Americans -- they speak only English, have American values because they know no others, have no other country because this has been the only home they've known.

    I'll grant that they have a greater tendency to act as though government owns them, but no more than many in the GOP want them to. That's a problem with both parties -- they've forgotten that America is about individual sovereignty, and government as servant.

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    Illegal immigrants are not collecting welfare or unemployment. In fact illegal immigrants pay more into the system than they use. If a person is here illegally, they are doing their best not to be found. They pay their payroll taxes into the system, but they do not file for a refund, because that would put them on the IRS's radar. They do not file for unemployment, because that would also input their names, addresses, and other identifiable information on the desk of the government. They do not file for welfare for the same reasons. Often they take jobs that "Americans" do not want, picking fruit, washing dishes, manual labor, and often they are also working for less than minimum wage. A case in point, our family used to own an apple orchard. During the year, we needed to hire people to prune, thin, prop, and pick apples. some jobs were paid by the hour, and other jobs paid by the piece. We could not find enough workers that were not immigrants fro other nations that wanted to do the work. We never hired illegal aliens, so there were many years that we simply did not have enough employees to handle the job. We would advertise our work in the employment office weekly, and we would occasionally get one or two phone calls, but when they heard what type of work it was, they were not interested. My crews were usually half Hispanic, and the other half were young school teachers just out of college and college students. Your "average" American did not want to do that kind of work, it was beneath them. We don't have an unemployment problem in this country, we have a work ethic problem in this country. There are simply some people who do not want to work. Therefore, we need immigrants from other countries that are willing to take the jobs that "americans" do not want to do.

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Hogwash. The reason Americans don't want those jobs is because the pay is poor because millions of immigrants and illegals are willing to work dirt cheap. You are creating a huge permanent underclass of poor, unemployed and criminal by flooding the country with cheap labor, pushing Americans aside.

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    Re: Robbing Americans By Rushing 11 Million Illegals To Legal Status [SPLIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Hogwash. The reason Americans don't want those jobs is because the pay is poor …
    The Migrant and Seasonal Agricultural Worker Protection Act requires a minimum hourly wage that cannot be less than the higher of the applicable state minimum wage or the federal minimum wage established in the Fair Labor Standards Act.

    US Labor Law For Farmworkers [Farmworker Justice]

    Wages in Agriculture [US Department of Labor]

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    Focusing on the fruit pickers clouds the issue. How many of the 11 million illegals are agriculture? Will the second generation be willing to pick fruit for minimum wage? Maybe they, like young blacks and other Americans, will want better jobs-- lots of luck. Hiring illegals is illegal, but there they are and they continue to come.
    The Hispanic countries have large percentages of very poor people with little chance of bettering themselves. That is the direction we are heading. But hey, poor people tend to vote Democrat, so it's all good.
    Last edited by Benvolio; June 28th, 2013 at 07:37 AM.

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    It wasn't the immigrants that gutted the middle class in the US. It was the rapacious international capitalists. And that is why the US will be a 2nd world country with the fabulously wealthy owning 99% of everything and everyone else being marginalized.

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