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    METADATA (What is): An Interactive Guide

    The Guardian has published an interactive guide on metadata.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...0?guni=Network front:network-front main-5 Eds picks 1:Network front - all-purpose editable trailblock:Position4

    It will give all of us an insight into what we are discussing when we discuss Snowden/NSA/FBI/PRISM/FISA.

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    Re: METADATA (What is): An Interactive Guide

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    The Guardian has published an interactive guide on metadata.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...0?guni=Network front:network-front main-5 Eds picks 1:Network front - all-purpose editable trailblock:Position4

    It will give all of us an insight into what we are discussing when we discuss Snowden/NSA/FBI/PRISM/FISA.

    HIGHLY recommended, if only for the Petraeus case study.
    That's useful.

    The metadata is what the surveillance-state apologists claim the NSA gathers -- and nothing else. But Snowden and others have said they get more than that, or at least have access to more than that.

    Therein lies the rub: if all they're getting is metadata, it's a whole different discussion.

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    Re: METADATA (What is): An Interactive Guide

    Metadata does not have to be extensive to be very useful.

    For instance, if a data set reveals a person’s ZIP code, birthdate and gender, there’s an 87 percent chance that the person can be uniquely identified.
    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/200...ivacy-lawsuit/

    (This conclusion has been widely published; I just used one with a very succinct statement.)

    This kind of derails the argument that this information cannot be used to identify an individual.

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    Re: METADATA (What is): An Interactive Guide

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Metadata does not have to be extensive to be very useful.



    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/200...ivacy-lawsuit/

    (This conclusion has been widely published; I just used one with a very succinct statement.)

    This kind of derails the argument that this information cannot be used to identify an individual.
    Exactly.

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    Re: METADATA (What is): An Interactive Guide

    Yet it is offered by the user and used by the government... one could easily argue that most of it takes place on public airwaves or wiring systems making the data in the public... lol

    After enough instances then meta data can be used to identify a source. That only makes sense. It is exactly those patterns of behavior that they use to identify would be terrorist.

    Maybe the reason they don't wanna reveal who has been stopped is because not too many trials have happened, the folks just disappear into the security apparatus in the country they reside in. hmmmmm... now that makes more sense to me.
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    Re: METADATA (What is): An Interactive Guide

    This is all a bunch of crap. They're trying to obfuscate and lie about what they're doing by using a word few people understand and has a relative meaning. Metadata is a term used in the computer industry. It means "data about data" and it has a relative meaning in the sense of what level you are looking at it.

    So for example - A website gathering usage statistics.

    Counts by country (just making this up)
    The country name is the "metadata", the number count is the data. The metadata identifies what the 250,000 number means.

    United States 250,000 hits
    England 25,000 hits
    France 40,000 hits
    Germany 32,000 hits


    But if you start to break this down and say

    300 hits from IP address 123.111.222.333
    800 hits from IP address 123.222.333.444
    3000 hits from IP address 123.333.444.555
    and so on....

    Now the hit count is the "metadata" and the IP address is the data.

    Breaking it down even further

    IP address 123.111.222.333 posted 100 messages in CE&P
    IP address 123.111.222.333 posted 200 messages in Hot Topics etc....

    Now the IP address is the "metadata" and post count is the data.

    You get the idea.... "metadata" vs "data" depends on the drill down level at which you are viewing the "data".

    This is exactly what the NSA is doing in lying about only collecting "metadata". They are collecting: Your phone number, who you are calling, how often you call them, when you call them, how long you talk. They are obfuscating the truth by calling that information "only metadata" to the conversation of the phone call. When in reality the "metadata" they are collecting is real data about you.

    Taking it up a level - YOU are the "metadata" about what is being collected. The information is about YOU. YOU American Citizen are having your private information about your personal correspondence collected by the U.S. government and with this so called "metadata" - which is really data about your personal life - the government can find out anything they want to know about you. Just because they are not (they claim) eavesdropping on your individual conversation does not mean they are not eavesdropping on your life. And furthermore they are deceiving the public about it with this misuse of the word "metadata".

    They could just as easily say we are only capturing the metadata: "tone of voice", "emotional state", "urgency of the call" etc...we are not really capturing the words you're saying. Maybe that is a bit far fetched, maybe not. But with the way they are deceiving the public with "metadata" it could happen.

    Give them inch and they'll take a light year.

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    I have not received a warrant from the government to collect information about my personal correspondence. Have You?

    I'm probably on their list now.

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    Re: METADATA (What is): An Interactive Guide

    LOL... yet metadata is what they collect so they can make sense out of the entire stream of data that they do collect. The metadata identifying YOU is how they filter the entire stream of data which they copy. They filter it to not look at you.

    But I am sure someone will light their hair on fire and screech...HOW DO I KNOW!!!!! (with extra exclamation points for good measure)


    So someone really smart tell me how we identify what the NSA can look at from what they cant without metadata? by the by their data collection efforts are on fiber coming into the country.
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    Watching FOX News, which has been schizophrenic covering the story, with some big time criticism of the NSA from their prime time hosts( though hypocritically muted during the the Bush Administration when the NSA security state apparatus was being hatched, or outright supportive of it).. . but the insiders on the right and left, the political elite in Washington, strongly opposed to Edward Snowden's actions and supportive of the security state as instrumental to our freedom. It takes balls to go against the power elites and both parties are infected by a devotion to maintaining the status quo, content that at best this is a deep overreaction and the NSA has our best interests at heart now and forever. They say Edward Snowden is no Daniel Ellsberg but dangerous, cowardly , malevolent in intent, at best misguided.. at worst a double dealing traitor in our midst. It does seem like we are going to need the rabble rousers in both parties to keep up the fight or else in a few years, or a few decades we won't know what hit us... but we won't be able to go anywhere without fear someone is watching if we go too far, if we protest a bit too much, if we start to think a little too critically and openly.

    It sounds farfetched, but to paraphrase what others have said you give an inch and they'll take a mile, a whole continent, even the world if it's their whim. Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez of California, a longtime opponent of the Patriot Act and other legislation opening the gates to a massive surveillance state coming out of a meeting regarding this NSA debacle said what is known about the scope and reach of these programs is the tip of the iceberg. I'm not doubting there are very well meaning, well intentioned people who are involved in aspects of the program, who believe in the program as on the whole absolutely vital and successful to keep America and the world secure from the reach of international terrorism. Yet because so much is going on without supervision, even many congressional members not in the established leadership elite do not know the scope of these programs, yet we are supposed to take the word of our leaders and those involved in the running of the programs that they have our best interests at heart, and would never damage our civil liberties in the name of protecting us from terror. I can't make that leap of faith.. and I know I don't know EVERYTHING that's going on but the main problem is the lack of accountability and public legitimacy here. 9-11 happened and where exactly was the serious public debate about the extent of our response in terms of going after those who we believe are trying to harm us? Where were we told that in order for our freedoms to be protected, EVERYONE was potentially going to be sifted through as a suspect? We would develop global databases that while technically doesn't know every conversation we've had, knows all about our movements, habits, likes and dislikes? It would take one real calamity, be it disaster, terrorist related, what have you.... and goodness knows we'd be fucked. I hate to be with Michael Moore on one hand and Glenn Beck on the other but some battles you take what you can get... especially if most of the political elite on both sides (I can't stand Al Gore much either but he is spot on in his opposition to the actions of the NSA, or Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner who I feel is an ideological hack on the GOP side being notable exceptions spinelessly.. or worse cynically bow to the alter of unrestrained national security. Two of the worst are Rep. Peter King of New York(GOP) who's a demagogic, lying bastard and Senate Majority leader Harry Reid, a tool if there ever was one. it would be tragic if we allowed Edward Snowden in himself to represent the be all and end all to this. Questioning his motivations, and in turn dismissing what disturbing truth lies underneath. What price do we pay for security... what cost is too high, what means to an end goes too far?

    Why should we not question, why should at least we not be very skeptical to concentrate so much power to relative few who we don't know can always be held accountable? As well, if they accumulate so much power, what good is theoretical accountability? We can and will always have disagreements on what kind of government we want. If it doesn't matter in the end, because we've lost everything our values hold dear for the illusion of safety... what does it mean to be American, anyway? Merely to replace the tyranny of the Britain of King George with an even more insidious, invasive, virtually all knowing Big Brother? George Orwell just may have been a few decades off.
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