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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    No. People concerned with global warming can do something. Corny, admittedly, hasn't done squat besides talk.

    It takes a few keystrokes to find a non-Google, non-Bing, and non-Yahoo! search engine. Pressing a few more keys on the keyboard is even too much for these armchair critics.
    I don't even know how I should put it without using some belittling or insulting words. You don't know what I do and what I don't do. How could you? You're just assuming something in your mind.

    Oh .. and about those reading skills. I already stated above what I do. And what I have been doing for many years. I'm a member of the CCC - if that tells you anything. But you even might have known this before if you'd poke your head into the tech forum.


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    Dear lord .. you are now comparing individual court orders with a permanent surveilliance system. Maybe you should actually know what you're talking about before diving head over heels into an argument.

    Also nobody ever said that other countries/organizations/means of surveilliance are any better. That's even more offtopic here.
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    Oh and by the way:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...poll-oversight

    Probably not what fox news tells you though
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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Corny View Post
    Oh and by the way:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...poll-oversight

    Probably not what fox news tells you though
    This polling does indicate that Americans are much more concerned about their government snooping on their personal lives than a few forum regulars would have us believe.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Corny View Post
    Oh and by the way:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...poll-oversight

    Probably not what fox news tells you though
    So, now I listen to Fox News? Lies only make your posts weaker. I actually found my polls from CNN. Most Americans don't care.

    Germany is spying on its citizens way more than the US.

    What are you going to do? More talking typing? (That's the extent of your activism it seems.)

    It seems like you have a bigger problem on your hands than we do?
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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Corny View Post
    I don't even know how I should put it without using some belittling or insulting words. You don't know what I do and what I don't do. How could you? You're just assuming something in your mind.

    Oh .. and about those reading skills. I already stated above what I do. And what I have been doing for many years. I'm a member of the CCC - if that tells you anything. But you even might have known this before if you'd poke your head into the tech forum.


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    Dear lord .. you are now comparing individual court orders with a permanent surveilliance system. Maybe you should actually know what you're talking about before diving head over heels into an argument.

    Also nobody ever said that other countries/organizations/means of surveilliance are any better. That's even more offtopic here.
    No. No. Actually I did NOT compare individual court orders with a permanent surveillance system. Check my comment to Opinterph. I said that whether it was a court order or a permanent surveillance system, the result is the same: the users' data is still being given to the government.

    Opinterph went off-topic when he brought up global warming, but I think that example shows you how much talk you are. Going green in American is expensive, timely, and inconvenient. You might have to buy an expensive hybrid car, coordinate your schedules to carpool with coworkers or retrofit your home with solar panels, energy efficient light bulbs or window panes, but... people still do these things. You can't inconvenience yourself to find an alternative search engine that isn't reporting users' data to the government. All it takes is a few keystrokes to find a non-Google, non-Yahoo!, and non-Bing search engine that won't send your personal data to your government (and Germany is way more active in spying on its people than America). You literally don't even want to lift a finger to support your "hero" and his cause.


    I guess you can call me a Snowden supporter, because I, like you, haven't done diddly squat.

    You're having to refrain from cursing me out because you have no point, but a hell of an agenda. When Jack Springer dared to ask of your government what you've supported Snowden in (condemning the US government's secrecy), you a) refused to answer, b) said he lost the argument just for asking the question (wow at this one), c) requested that we go back on-topic (never left the topic since government surveillance is on-topic even thought it's not in the thread's subject line --> ), and d) asked that someone come in the clean up the posts that dared to question you.

    Yep. You sound like someone with a winning argument. I'm not surprised at all that you want to curse me out.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    Note that this data is from the requests that these companies are permitted to disclose. The NYT and others have reported on the fact that requests are made with the stipulation that the companies cannot reveal even that a request was made.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    I guess you can call me a Snowden supporter, because I, like you, haven't done diddly squat.
    Besides continuing to try to hijack the thread, you demonstrate that it's a darned good thing you're not in charge of anything important to the rest of us. You have no mature sense of restraint in action, but show all the signs of being like Westboro Baptist in operating on a knee-jerk reaction level -- no thought, no planning, just dive in, and do what comes to mind whether it has to do with the issue or not.

    This thread is not "Lostlover Demands Action by Snowden Supporters", it's a place to offer thoughts on his actions to date. Since you aren't shedding any light on his actions one way or another, you're just cluttering space and providing exactly the sort of distraction that keeps people from actually looking at the issues.

    If you want a thread where you can pass judgment on everyone for your suppositions about what they have or haven't done, start one, and let those of us who are interested in this one make use of it.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post



    It would be rather difficult, if not impossible, to refuse ever to use any company who supplied information, whether willingly or forced via court order. I think that we are only seeing the "short list" - mentioning only the companies at the top of the food chain. Who's to say that if we instead used a Trac-Fone as our only phone carrier, and used Dogpile as our chosen search engine, and used American Express instead of Master Card [are they on the list?], that we could avoid the surveillance and storage of logs and all content?

    How many ISP's may be part of the massive dragnet? I have a discount card which I use at Kroger supermarkets (and, which also covers a number of smaller independents and regional chains) - is THAT information being stored? Does anybody know?
    I could have sworn that I saw a news story and it having Twitter's bird logo along with Apple's and Microsoft's. A Google News check only finds articles concerning Sen. Murkowski answering an NSA question via Twitter.

    I'm sure too that we haven't seen the entire list. This doesn't bother me. People can't have 100% privacy with 100%, stellar anti-terrorism efforts by the government. There's a balance that I'm willing to accept.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    THE US government has made requests of Twitter; others not so much.

    BTW, the NSA's story that it has thwarted bunches of attacks isn't going over so well:
    "We have not yet seen any evidence showing that the NSA's dragnet collection of Americans' phone records has produced any uniquely valuable intelligence," [ranking senators] said in a statement released on Thursday ahead of a widely anticipated briefing for US senators about the National Security Agency's activities.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...ance-terrorism

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    LL you are running in circles. I don't pick up any of your or Jack's "arguments" because they are not relevant here. And no, you still can't compare this. The data from your graphic is graphic is from data requested from companies that have been collecting this anyway. Like the server logs on JUB. There is no law that makes a website owner keep logs. They do it for various reasons. And governments can request that data. That doesn't mean that they get it. That depends on the other company. Most companies, even google (and iirc, lately facebook as well) requite a court order though. And then they will get data.
    The "system" here is like investigations in a crime scene. Someone did something. The state investigates.

    You should see the difference by now. That means, if you actually read anything about what the NSA actually did.


    I am using an ISP by the way, who by contract, does not collect any more data than needed for billing. And you kinda ignored how I already said, twice (I know .. reading is hard ..) that I basically don't use any of those companies services. So after your "logic" I must be doing a lot.

    But no, I'm actually not doing anything. Not usign the companies won't help Snowden a bit. Not using the companies will not support the guy or his cause at all. It's not the companies who were doing something wrong.

    By the way, you really might want to look up what the CCC does/is. I'm a member since 2001.

    So yeah, I do something. Social concepts and ethics in regards to our all use of technology, as well as freedom of information are a big thing for me (again, something that more than just a few long time jubbers have noticed).

    But you know what? Even that doesn't supports the guy, at all. And that's precisely why it is still offtopic.


    Maybe I should join a few threads about the marathon bomber and start discussing that it's allright, since more people die from gun wielding toddlers? Right. That's basically as logical as your lonesome tirade here, crapping all over a thread and silencing actual discussion.
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    The South China Morning Post's (SCMP) evaluation of the material given it confirms US hacking of Hong Kong and mainland China, said to be with a 75% success rate for the attempts made.

    New details about the data can be revealed by the Post after further analysis of information Snowden divulged during an exclusive interview on Wednesday in which the former CIA computer analyst exposed extensive hacking by the US in Hong Kong and the mainland.
    ....
    The detailed records - which cannot be independently verified - show specific dates and the IP addresses of computers in Hong Kong and on the mainland hacked by the National Security Agency over a four-year period.

    They also include information indicating whether an attack on a computer was ongoing or had been completed, along with an amount of additional operational information.
    SCMP says a factor for the US is what Snowden might reveal in any court proceedings.

    http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/a...acking-targets

    "Intellesting," as Charlie Chan would say. Sure puts the cat among the pigeons so far as China is concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    He's the head guy, the supposed leader, the big fish ... but so far he's the "dumb one" who's not talking.

    This version of spying is bigger, grander, more expansive than anything Bush had in mind.

    Isn't it time to let Obama take a little responsibility?
    No I just tire of the chant... I know your party and you yourself personally are desperate for a scandal to take root. But looking like salivating dogs constantly does not imbue a sense of confidence in your outrageous schemes.

    AGAIN you miss the point. If you had legal standing and the backing of BOTH parties for a item would you come out and say... I am responsible for this cocka-maimy conspiracy theory cooked up in the crack dens of the right wing. Nope you wouldn't. Neither will he.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corny View Post
    But no, I'm actually not doing anything. Not usign the companies won't help Snowden a bit. Not using the companies will not support the guy or his cause at all. It's not the companies who were doing something wrong.
    And the government didn't either. We as citizens supported and re-elected the congress that made the patriot act and nothing has been done that is illegal. The vast outrage and hero worship seems to be coming mostly from overseas. Journalist, talk show host, and comedians are making good money covering it indepth but in the end they will find nothing was done illegally.

    Guess what? Most Americans don't give a shit. All of that tracking data you refer to is already collected by companies. If it can help security services stop a credible threat then most people have no issue.
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    He's the President. I'm not. You're not.

    He has responsibilities.
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    Responsible to admit something because Jacky wants him to....lol! Dont be ridiculous.

    Address the topic. How can he admit doing wrong to something that is not wrong to most Americans and is legal by our laws?

    Perhaps later today he should admit to riding in the front of the bus... the civil rights act made that legal or rather illegal to not allow him to ride up front because of a variety of conditions including color of skin. But there are racist and they think he should be treated differently... should he admit guilt to satisfy them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Note that this data is from the requests that these companies are permitted to disclose. The NYT and others have reported on the fact that requests are made with the stipulation that the companies cannot reveal even that a request was made.
    Sounds a lot like the way that National Security Letters work...

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    Gotta say it's strange having an avowed hacker as a moderator.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    And the government didn't either. We as citizens supported and re-elected the congress that made the patriot act and nothing has been done that is illegal. The vast outrage and hero worship seems to be coming mostly from overseas. Journalist, talk show host, and comedians are making good money covering it indepth but in the end they will find nothing was done illegally.

    Guess what? Most Americans don't give a shit. All of that tracking data you refer to is already collected by companies. If it can help security services stop a credible threat then most people have no issue.
    If you can't distinguish between "wrong" and "illegal", you have no business making moral choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Responsible to admit something because Jacky wants him to....lol! Dont be ridiculous.

    Address the topic. How can he admit doing wrong to something that is not wrong to most Americans and is legal by our laws?

    Perhaps later today he should admit to riding in the front of the bus... the civil rights act made that legal or rather illegal to not allow him to ride up front because of a variety of conditions including color of skin. But there are racist and they think he should be treated differently... should he admit guilt to satisfy them?
    Most Americans agree that if what Snowden says is happening is really happening, it's wrong. They only agree it's okay if what they're asked about is what the surveillance state apologists claim is going on.

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    Very good argument for Edward Snowden as a hero !!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Gotta say it's strange having an avowed hacker as a moderator.
    In a previous job, one of my responsibilities included the overall management of a computer network. At one point in time, I hired a consulting firm to try and hack into that system. The results were quite informative and helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Most Americans agree that if what Snowden says is happening is really happening, it's wrong. They only agree it's okay if what they're asked about is what the surveillance state apologists claim is going on.
    Nicely phrased and appropriate when noting that there are posters here who would sell their liberties because the government says it is protecting them......nothing new under the sun.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    I just watched the Lawrence O'Donnell interview with Ed Snowdens friend Mavanee Anderson.

    At the end of the interview O'Donnell asks what is the difference between her, a friends (or any young informed regular Americans) view of the 'architecture of oppression' vs what Snowden saw and Andersons. Anderson said she wouldn't have leaked information the way Snowden did but shared the same reasons to be concerned with a spy state, warrantless wiretaps, executive overreach etc.

    What this tells me is that Snowden, Anderson and activists believe is that they do not trust government 'as-is', that their distrust stems from the curtailing of liberty by congress and the president, and that the 'protections' in place do the opposite of enhance our freedom.

    Liberals would argue these protections enhance our liberty because the powers have not been abused yet, and Obama like Bush said that we must sacrifice liberty to save ourselves.

    Maybe so, maybe Snowden could have been a better force for change if he stayed within the intelligence 'community' as he did work for a private corporation.

    Maybe he did more damage to the libertarian cause by outing himself as the leaker?

    Only time will tell, but this is a sneak peek into the next generations cause, that it will be about the right to liberty every American has, that every person should have vs what government wants.

    But it seems for now the libertarian instinct has rendered judgement over the domestic spying, and that is a reason to be grateful that someone stood up for something, even if we don't agree with them.

    Who has the most to lose if the intelligence networks are allowed to operate in secret? We all do.

    If we are to be a more peaceful world we must trust each other, not enshrine distrust in law with the Patriot Act.

    Snowden did the right thing by highlighting the potential short circuiting of democracy by a secret agency.

    No entity should have that power.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/49263362#52187381
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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Gotta say it's strange having an avowed hacker as a moderator.
    Why strange?

    Does this somehow offend your delicate sensibilities or somehow affect the person's work as a moderator?

    Or does it weird you out to know that they could be tracking your every keystroke?

    C'mon. Share with us.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    Jack: today's media's definition of a hacker doesn't match the original meaning. Someone labeling himself as a hacker, doesn't mean that he did/does anything illegal (that's what we call a cracker).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    Very good argument for Edward Snowden as a hero !!!

    Excellent interview -- thanks for the link.

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    Now there are a number of people who are basically selling the idea that Snowden is either a Chinese agent or double agent.... and in the world of international spying, there are no clean hands...but even if the truth was that Snowden is not on the up and up, if he hadn't come out like this just when before it would have been too late would the alarm be sounded on the level of surveillance exponentially getting pervasive? I do tend for now to believe his enemies would do everything in their power to make him a pariah, to destroy his credibility before the world. It's also possible he does have less honorable motives, but even that being the case.... the whole prospect of an out of control surveillance state, even if we take at face value the good intentions of those who have developed it, who maintain it... can they control the actions of those in the future who may have less noble intentions to prevent horrible abuses? To make sure we don't have all powerful Big Brother looking at us anytime, anywhere, to enforce submission?

    If the messenger has an agenda of his own, which has NOT been proved except in a circumstantial manner.... is the message not worth a deep, open debate in our society? To protect us by potentially destroying what our purported Western values speak to? When it started under the Bush Administration, I was very dubious, I had strong disagreements with which how much more intrusive government was going to get in acting to promote our security in a post 9-11 world. The possibilities have grown even more mind boggling, and I just can't see where it's worth the tradeoff. Whom can be believed, or does it matter...do we have any say in choosing what kind of a society we want the next generations to grow up in?
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    According to this video,
    the US hacked into Hong kong and chinese internet much more than the other way around.



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    Odd that Snowden is now using his knowledge to gain further warm and fuzzy feelings from the Chinese. Or maybe not.

    Telstra, did you really think we weren't looking into their networks? The reason we publicly announce it when we find them is to let them know they are caught and to embarrass them publicly. So tell me, what does it mean to you that Chinese papers and leadership haven't made the same claims? Work through it I will wait.

    This targeting the journalist is not kosher by any means. If he made such a threat that he thoroughly denies concerning working operatives then he would be a spy but it appears unfounded.

    Tick Tock tick Tock... just a little more time until Snowden is a full on turned spy. Oh wait he already is spilling everything he knows about the American NSA. Guess that throws the "I'm a hero" bullshit out the window... how about the I wills ave you from your evil government and yet he goes to a government like China to help them..... Weird huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Odd that Snowden is now using his knowledge to gain further warm and fuzzy feelings from the Chinese. Or maybe not.

    Telstra, did you really think we weren't looking into their networks? The reason we publicly announce it when we find them is to let them know they are caught and to embarrass them publicly. So tell me, what does it mean to you that Chinese papers and leadership haven't made the same claims? Work through it I will wait.

    This targeting the journalist is not kosher by any means. If he made such a threat that he thoroughly denies concerning working operatives then he would be a spy but it appears unfounded.

    Tick Tock tick Tock... just a little more time until Snowden is a full on turned spy. Oh wait he already is spilling everything he knows about the American NSA. Guess that throws the "I'm a hero" bullshit out the window... how about the I wills ave you from your evil government and yet he goes to a government like China to help them..... Weird huh?
    Thats weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    Thats weird.
    If you steal something you keep quiet but if i steal something you shout thief thief out loud to let others know
    Not weird... international politics... why would a 'thief', as you put it, shout to the world that they are stealing? The reason they don't shout to the world is because they didn't know we were there. Militarily it makes a lot more sense if you can be inside your enemies information and decisions process. Remember countries spy on one another to gain the upper hand. If they never know you are there then they can't stop you putting in false info or shutting down the network. The point is that they bumble through it to the point that our corporations even catch them; while we are fucking ninjas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Not weird... international politics... why would a 'thief', as you put it, shout to the world that they are stealing? The reason they don't shout to the world is because they didn't know we were there. Militarily it makes a lot more sense if you can be inside your enemies information and decisions process. Remember countries spy on one another to gain the upper hand. If they never know you are there then they can't stop you putting in false info or shutting down the network. The point is that they bumble through it to the point that our corporations even catch them; while we are fucking ninjas.
    All i can say is "the west or America" should stop preaching china about human rights out loud, it won't work.
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    … while we are fucking ninjas.
    Is that next to last word an adjective or a verb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    All i can say is "the west or America" should stop preaching china about human rights out loud, it won't work.
    If you softly telling them behind closed doors, it might work.
    Depends on CHina's goals... if human rights or their goal is the choice then human rights will be trampled, openly as necessary.

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Is that next to last word an adjective or a verb?
    lol ... depends on my mood.
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    I don't stand With Edward Snowden. He lost ALL credibility when he ran overseas and reached out to Hong Kong. Americans DON'T run. His innocent Parents and Loved ones are now being questioned by the FBI & Press. Snowden brought that Shit right to their Door-step and didn't give a Damn. He left the States and didn't bother to tell the people that Love him the Most that their LIVES were about to become a HOT mess..He's selfish & a Fucking TRAITOR.

    I'm Glad other Countries are denying him passage on their Soil. I STAND with them & I don't blame them one bit. You have a Fucking problem with your Country then you Stand your Ground and Speak your mind. Running to other Countries PRAYING they protect your LOSER ass ain't gonna work anymore...

    Snowden's ass got a Damn GED and was BLESSED someone gave him a Chance which allowed him to to make $200,000 a year. Yeah Edward Snowden is an Opportunist, a Loser & a Trader. I want The Department of Justice to hunt him down, charge his Ass then strangle him.
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...tion2:sublinks

    Even more evidence this guy is nothing but a traitor. For those people defending him saying he was fighting for the American people, how does exposing that the NSA tried to spy on Russia in the UK do anything to expose Americans' rights being violated? This guy is nothing but a treasonous opportunist and I hope they catch him and give him what all traitors deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...tion2:sublinks

    Even more evidence this guy is nothing but a traitor. For those people defending him saying he was fighting for the American people, how does exposing that the NSA tried to spy on Russia in the UK do anything to expose Americans' rights being violated? This guy is nothing but a treasonous opportunist and I hope they catch him and give him what all traitors deserve.
    And this is exactly what I was waiting for in reserving judgment on him. He's a traitor and this proves it.

    And by "deserve," do you mean death or a long-term sentence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    And this is exactly what I was waiting for in reserving judgment on him. He's a traitor and this proves it.

    And by "deserve," do you mean death or a long-term sentence?
    Let the jury decide. I'd be fine with either one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    And this is exactly what I was waiting for in reserving judgment on him.
    Wait, that was you RESERVING judgement????? Hahahahahahahahahah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    I don't stand With Edward Snowden. He lost ALL credibility when he ran overseas and reached out to Hong Kong. Americans DON'T run. His innocent Parents and Loved ones are now being questioned by the FBI & Press. Snowden brought that Shit right to their Door-step and didn't give a Damn. He left the States and didn't bother to tell the people that Love him the Most that their LIVES were about to become a HOT mess..He's selfish & a Fucking TRAITOR.

    I'm Glad other Countries are denying him passage on their Soil. I STAND with them & I don't blame them one bit. You have a Fucking problem with your Country then you Stand your Ground and Speak your mind. Running to other Countries PRAYING they protect your LOSER ass ain't gonna work anymore...

    Snowden's ass got a Damn GED and was BLESSED someone gave him a Chance which allowed him to to make $200,000 a year. Yeah Edward Snowden is an Opportunist, a Loser & a Trader. I want The Department of Justice to hunt him down, charge his Ass then strangle him.
    Snowden lied about his salary. He made about half that.

    The part I don't understand is the cowardice. The CBS journalist, Bob Schieffer said this morning that MLK, a hero of his, never ran to China when he protested.

    People are bitches these days. They want to protest, but protest under their terms. Assange said he'll answer the Swedish rape allegations from the embassy he's cowering in. Who dictates when and where they're going to be interrogated?
    Last edited by Lostlover; June 16th, 2013 at 11:03 PM.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy View Post
    Wait, that was you RESERVING judgement????? Hahahahahahahahahah!
    Now if I would have written this response, it would be have been deleted at the very least.

    I'll tell you this: if the US government wanted to collect donations to prosecute and extradite Snowden to the US, I'd happily pay. That puts me miles ahead of the talkers here who say they support Snowden, but just can't give up using Google.

    Lastly, we gay men have to do better than this. We'll never be respected if we continue to act like women, holding grudges and all. I haven't said one negative word to you in a year and a half and you rehash this nonsense.
    Last edited by Lostlover; June 16th, 2013 at 11:10 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    Now if I would have written this response, it would be have been deleted at the very least.

    I'll tell you this: if the US government wanted to collect donations to prosecute and extradite Snowden to the US, I'd happily pay. That puts me miles ahead of the talkers here who say they support Snowden, but just can't give up using Google.

    Lastly, we gay men have to do better than this. We'll never be respected if we continue to act like women, holding grudges and all. I haven't said one negative word to you in a year and a half and you rehash this nonsense.
    Easy to talk.

    Let's see some action furthering your earlier aim to locate and cuff Snowden...returning him to the United States.

    When are you flying to Hong Kong?

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    We need not fly, I am thinking China will gladly hand him to us. If he is in hiding in their country then he is a fugitive evading their system as well. I doubt that, I think he is helping them hand over foot. Did you notice that silly extradition treaty we have... som-bitch... that sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    We need not fly, I am thinking China will gladly hand him to us. If he is in hiding in their country then he is a fugitive evading their system as well. I doubt that, I think he is helping them hand over foot. Did you notice that silly extradition treaty we have... som-bitch... that sucks.
    It's only a matter of time before we no longer have pictures of him, but, instead, sketchings from a courtroom artists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    You have a Fucking problem with your Country then you Stand your Ground and Speak your mind. Running to other Countries PRAYING they protect your LOSER ass ain't gonna work anymore...
    Right. In most of the world, for most of history, that was a good way to an early grave, a kangaroo court, or just getting disappeared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...tion2:sublinks

    Even more evidence this guy is nothing but a traitor. For those people defending him saying he was fighting for the American people, how does exposing that the NSA tried to spy on Russia in the UK do anything to expose Americans' rights being violated? This guy is nothing but a treasonous opportunist and I hope they catch him and give him what all traitors deserve.
    Like the Russians didn't already know we knew what they were saying. This is just one of those things that they knew we knew, but now that someone has let everyone know that we knew, they can pretend they didn't know and get all indignant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    Snowden lied about his salary. He made about half that.

    The part I don't understand is the cowardice. The CBS journalist, Bob Schieffer said this morning that MLK, a hero of his, never ran to China when he protested.

    People are bitches these days. They want to protest, but protest under their terms. Assange said he'll answer the Swedish rape allegations from the embassy he's cowering in. Who dictates when and where they're going to be interrogated?
    "Cowardice"???

    Bob Schieffer is an idiot. Anyone knowing they face the response of a police state will go out of reach at least temporarily if they want to be heard. Otherwise they'll just be visited by the sort of people Romney befriended, and be disappeared or face rendition.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    It's pretty bad the US government let private company own all your private communications ?
    How could the government trust private company ?



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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    GCHQ has joined NSA in the intercept surveillance operations.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ju...unications-nsa

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    GCHQ has joined NSA in the intercept surveillance operations.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ju...unications-nsa
    OK? I bet you could insert any intelligence agency from any country into that news story and be accurate. If you believe otherwise you're too naive to be reading the news.

    Uh oh. Looks like I've just exposed the Guardians news story lineup for the next 120+ days.

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    I said most of those countries were using the same techniques when this broke.

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