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    Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    The Guardian publishes an article on and Q&A with Edward Snowden, the whistleblower of the telephone metadata and PRISM leaks.

    Edward Snowden went public on his own volition.

    I do not expect to see home again.
    I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...r-surveillance (article)

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...rd-snowden-why (Q&A)

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    Re: Edward Snowden: Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    Much respect to this man. Like Manning, it's another young guy - but there are many difference between them. It's somewhat encouraging, that even after the digital revolution, there are still tech guys with a backbone and decency. The very ethical hackers and their moral codex of yesterday managed to pass their values to the next generation.

    Just look what he did. He knew exactly what he is getting himself into. And he still did it. How many of us would pay that price?
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    Re: Edward Snowden: Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    I say more power to him. I may or may not agree with him but I respect his stepping forward to promote debate of one of the most covert activities of our time.

    The Guardian's source for the leaks from the National Security Agency has outed himself as 29-year-old Edward Snowden, a high school drop-out who later tried to join the U.S. Armed Forces and developed a knack for digital security systems, leading to his most recent position as a $200,000 a year NSA-contractor with Booz Allen Hamilton based in Hawaii. Snowden left the U.S. and stationed himself in Hong Kong in advance of his planned campaign of top secret document leaks, and is hoping to be granted asylum in Iceland, according to a Sunday bombshell report in The Guardian by Glenn Greenwald, Ewan MacAskill and Laura Poitrass.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    From the Q&A
    (very recommended to read: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...rd-snowden-why)

    Q: Does your family know you are planning this?
    A: "No. My family does not know what is happening … My primary fear is that they will come after my family, my friends, my partner. Anyone I have a relationship with …
    I will have to live with that for the rest of my life. I am not going to be able to communicate with them. They [the authorities] will act aggressively against anyone who has known me. That keeps me up at night."
    Q: Washington-based foreign affairs analyst Steve Clemons said he overheard at the capital's Dulles airport four men discussing an intelligence conference they had just attended. Speaking about the leaks, one of them said, according to Clemons, that both the reporter and leaker should be "disappeared". How do you feel about that?
    A: "Someone responded to the story said 'real spies do not speak like that'. Well, I am a spy and that is how they talk. Whenever we had a debate in the office on how to handle crimes, they do not defend due process – they defend decisive action. They say it is better to kick someone out of a plane than let these people have a day in court. It is an authoritarian mindset in general."
    Q: Do you have a plan in place?
    A: "The only thing I can do is sit here and hope the Hong Kong government does not deport me … My predisposition is to seek asylum in a country with shared values. The nation that most encompasses this is Iceland. They stood up for people over internet freedom. I have no idea what my future is going to be.
    "They could put out an Interpol note. But I don't think I have committed a crime outside the domain of the US. I think it will be clearly shown to be political in nature."
    Also he was earning $200k+/year - I guess nobody can tell us this guy did it out of spite.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    More power to the whistle blowers.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    The 'War on Terror' provided governments around the globe with the perfect opportunity to intrude more and more into the lives of citizens under the guise of keeping us all safe. The cost is too high.

    Good for the whistleblowers.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    He will now be a prime target for the United States to get hold of, however they can, behind the scenes, making a deal with Hong Kong to hand him over, where he will then be put under 'special' U.S. military tribunal for automatic life imprisonment, assuming he avoids the death penalty. Plus, as usual, the U.S. will try to justify their actions by pushing the fear factor and peddle it as 'saving lives' - while ramping up the police-state mentality.

    Here's a thought for EVERYONE at CE&P - what I see with each passing decade is a United States getting slowly, further and further, ever more and more right-wing - REGARDLESS of the President in power. All this pro-Obama vs. anti-Obama talk is a smokescreen - his and successive administrations just re-endorse this view.

    This and the revisionist pro-capitalist proganda that's handing power in your country over to corporations, the dumbing down of your people so they fall for any presentation of fear no matter how stupid, and the systematic stigmatisation of low-paid workers and the poor for not having money.

    I frankly get sick of the United States sometimes. Put that in your oh-so-closed-minded and blandly irrelevant CE&P Rep vs. Dem 'arguments' and smoke it.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    ^ The government here certainly knows hot to spell "G-U-A-N-T-A-M-..."

    CF, you are probably fortunate to live where you do. Here, I live almost in the center of the country that you're observing, and I see a LOT of the same aspects that you're noticing.

    As for the irreverent Democrat versus Republican argument, you're generally right - the trajectories of both Parties are heading toward the same ultimate goal. The only difference is that the Republican highway is the motorway, and the Democrat highway is the old two-lane which hugs the coastline.

    The Supreme Court is now on the verge of possibly taking away the people's right to vote.
    "All legal U. S. residents who are 18 years or older, shall have an unconditional right to vote." - 28th Amendment, US Constitution?
    "But, hey, who cares about women and their rights when the religious liberty of a nationwide chain of arts and crafts stores is at stake?" - Daily Kos, 30 June 2014
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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    We see it as an inexorable move toward the left. Remember, in Communist Romania, all telephone calls went through a central station where the government could listen to any call. And, everyone was limited to about 1400 calories of food per day. Communist regimes always work to reduce religion in people's lives. Of course, corporations and private profits are hated there as here. Schools teach the equivalent of political correctness. Health care is controlled by the government. Progressive income taxes were specified in the Communist Manifesto. Sounds great,huh?
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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    We see it as an inexorable move toward the left.
    Or, perhaps in that three-dimensional part of the continuum, where far left meets far right.

    Generally, far left and far right totalitarian regimes behave *PRECISELY* the same way.
    "All legal U. S. residents who are 18 years or older, shall have an unconditional right to vote." - 28th Amendment, US Constitution?
    "But, hey, who cares about women and their rights when the religious liberty of a nationwide chain of arts and crafts stores is at stake?" - Daily Kos, 30 June 2014
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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    I used to support Obama's administration but
    now i have changed my mind because of recent events.

    Obama should be sacked or impeached .
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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Corny View Post
    From the Q&A
    (very recommended to read: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...rd-snowden-why)



    Also he was earning $200k+/year - I guess nobody can tell us this guy did it out of spite.
    I watched the whole video.
    Edward-snowden seems like a very good guy.
    His fear is that the American people's mind are numb and just accept spying is ok.


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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    Is CNN now similar to fox news?
    Instead of talking about the morality of spying, they talk about how to capture Edward Snowden.



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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    Or, perhaps in that three-dimensional part of the continuum, where far left meets far right.

    Generally, far left and far right totalitarian regimes behave *PRECISELY* the same way.
    Perhaps you should join us in attempting to stem the tide. What you call far right was the large center several decades ago, probably within your life time.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    This guy, different from Manning, sorted that which he released and did so for a reasonable cause of national discourse on the subject of data mining by our government. He revealed nothing that wasn't available years ago but re-ignited the debate that can hopefully result in a national consensus on HOW we go about working through the current information overloaded world.

    Again, he is entirely different than Manning.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    I applaud FrankFrank for knowing politics. Extreme political poles have the same goals but use different mechanisms to achieve them.

    If Manning wasn't in a military capacity, there would be a much different opinion towards him.

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    If Obama stopped this (and he was against it as a Senator) and there was just a MINOR attack--- the butt fuck gop would impeach his ass---PERIOD---big time libertarian Sen Paul included----the problem with Bush administration's total incompetence is--- because they didn't stop 9/11 the genie is now out of the bottle forever---and spying is going to be with us for some time--because we can't afford these assholes releasing some radioactive shit in a major city--it's not like in the global digital age you aren't being watched all the time---liberals and libertarians are against this---but as much as I hate the idea I see no way around it.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Corny View Post
    Much respect to this man. Like Manning, it's another young guy - but there are many difference between them. It's somewhat encouraging, that even after the digital revolution, there are still tech guys with a backbone and decency. The very ethical hackers and their moral codex of yesterday managed to pass their values to the next generation.

    Just look what he did. He knew exactly what he is getting himself into. And he still did it. How many of us would pay that price?
    And, what if it comes out that Americans don't give a shit about what Snowden tried to expose? What, if most Americans, want him arrested?

    You say he has a "backbone and decency." I'm pretty sure Americans don't give a shit about what he thought he was exposing. If Americans don't give a shit (and I could be wrong), what did his "backbone and decency" do, then?

    And what consequence is this to you? How do these revelations affect you in Germany? Please elaborate. (I'm going to guess that you won't respond to these questions.)
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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    The hypocrisy will be shown on Faux news for the next week when they laud him as a hero. If this was under BUsh,they would demand he go to jail.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    And, what if it comes out that Americans don't give a shit about what Snowden tried to expose? What, if most Americans, want him arrested?

    You say he has a "backbone and decency." I'm pretty sure Americans don't give a shit about what he thought he was exposing. If Americans don't give a shit (and I could be wrong), what did his "backbone and decency" do, then?

    And what consequence is this to you? How do these revelations affect you in Germany? Please elaborate. (I'm going to guess that you won't respond to these questions.)

    Wow, you would rather a spineless corrupt world to live in? You'd love to report your neighbour for wearing socks with sandals to the fashion police I'd bet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    The hypocrisy will be shown on Faux news for the next week when they laud him as a hero. If this was under BUsh,they would demand he go to jail.
    Well...when conservatives AND liberals become intellectually consistent, it will demand news coverage because all too often it's yay for my team...your side has boogers! One may well be right pointing out the opposing's side's hypocrisy. Yet unless they hold their people to the same standards of accountability, it isn't worth a crap. Obama is Bush with a social conscience, at least the pretense of it. But ultimately morally no superior. And YES( I'm not talking about the Yankees network here... Ninja will get this,lol) when Bush was President I often posted my strong disagreements with his national security policy, including the Orwelllian tinged "Patriot" Act.
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    the world needs more people like him, to say the government is not more important than its people or more powerful. terror is an excuse to revoke liberty as deficits are an excuse to revoke social contracts.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    Snowden is quoted as taking temporary refuge in Hong Kong with the ultimate goal of going to Iceland.

    I imagine that the US will bring outrageous pressure to bear to secure his extradition from Hong Kong. It is not helpful to Snowden that Obama just held a cyber security summit with China.

    Do any JUBBERS know Hong Kong's stance on extradition? How likely will it be to bend to Chinese pressure to accommodate the US? Do the Brits, who shared this data, have any residual influence? With the cat out of the bag what chance is there that China will seemingly cooperate with the US but actually let him stay in Hong Kong to mine him for information?

    Unless Hong Kong is a lock against extradition were I Snowden I would have been already in Iceland when the story broke.

    I assume his US passport has been or will be revoked. Can he go anywhere?

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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    From Iceland, Monday, June 10:

    Iceland’s Ambassador in China Kristín Árnadóttir explained in an email statement to the South China Morning Post that according to Icelandic law, a person can only submit such an application once he/she is in Iceland.

    Icelandic MP for the Pirate Party Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who also chairs the International Modern Media Institute (IMMI), told national broadcaster RÚV that many things concerning Snowden’s case remain unclear.

    The IMMI intends to assist Snowden, Birgitta added, however, they must first speak with him. They are currently looking into Snowden’s legal position, including what extradition treaty is in effect between Hong Kong and the U.S.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by star-warrior View Post
    Wow, you would rather a spineless corrupt world to live in? You'd love to report your neighbour for wearing socks with sandals to the fashion police I'd bet.
    Oh don't pay him any mind. He's just being jingoistic as usual. The quintessential angry, overly defensive xenophobe. Maybe he's missing the point that the nation that considers itself to be the standard for open and honest democracy apparently is not immune to using the same secretive domestic surveillance practises as second world dictatorships. The whistleblowers do affect us all, all around the world. They demonstrate that it is necessary and possible to sometimes let sunshine in...and they embolden others in countries all around the world to do the same. Even if it is in Germany. Or Canada.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    No new info here from what has already been posted...

    However I would like to say that what the lady said is bullshit. Bobby Fischer was not just granted asylum, he was granted a citizenship before entering the country. This was in 2005 and we actually had the same parties in power back then (who just returned last month with a new government).

    There is no excuse... there is a way as long as there is will.

    I'm hoping people will put pressure on this and that something will be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    And, what if it comes out that Americans don't give a shit about what Snowden tried to expose? What, if most Americans, want him arrested?

    You say he has a "backbone and decency." I'm pretty sure Americans don't give a shit about what he thought he was exposing. If Americans don't give a shit (and I could be wrong), what did his "backbone and decency" do, then?

    And what consequence is this to you? How do these revelations affect you in Germany? Please elaborate. (I'm going to guess that you won't respond to these questions.)
    You sounds like you support the government spying on innocent people.


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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    Hopefully this will lead to something.

    Icelandic Legislator: I'm Ready To Help NSA
    Whistleblower Edward Snowden Seek Asylum


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    Quote Originally Posted by star-warrior View Post
    Wow, you would rather a spineless corrupt world to live in? You'd love to report your neighbour for wearing socks with sandals to the fashion police I'd bet.
    All I was saying is that if Americans don't have any issues with what was uncovered, how heroic was Snowden's betrayal to his country and employer?
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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    Ehhhmmm he was letting the public know something which was being kept away from them.

    How the hell is that betrayal?

    The US government is betraying it's people and it's important to speak out about it.

    It's sad that the nation which the whole world looked up to in the past has sunk so low.

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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    To what extent, if any, is US law being circumvented by resorting to foreign 'third parties' to analyze information on US citizens?
    Hopefully, The Guardian is on the case.

    On a related note, Daniel Ellsberg makes an important point:

    The government claims it has a court warrant under Fisa – but that unconstitutionally sweeping warrant is from a secret court, shielded from effective oversight, almost totally deferential to executive requests. As Russell Tice, a former National Security Agency analyst, put it: "It is a kangaroo court with a rubber stamp."

    For the president then to say that there is judicial oversight is nonsense – as is the alleged oversight function of the intelligence committees in Congress. Not for the first time – as with issues of torture, kidnapping, detention, assassination by drones and death squads –they have shown themselves to be thoroughly co-opted by the agencies they supposedly monitor. They are also black holes for information that the public needs to know.
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    Re: Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

    Change.org petition seeking Iceland's accommodation of asylum for Snowden:

    https://www.change.org/petitions/ice...edward-snowden

    An email for your friends:

    Hi!

    I just signed the petition "Iceland : Grant asylum to NSA whistle blower Edward Snowden." on Change.org.

    It's important. Will you sign it too? Here's the link:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    All I was saying is that if Americans don't have any issues with what was uncovered, how heroic was Snowden's betrayal to his country and employer?
    Many Americans do take issue with their government spying on them with, Snowden a United States citizen evidencing his displeasure by exposing the depth and breadth of surveillance of United States citizens by the NSA.

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    Change.org petition seeking Iceland's accommodation of asylum for Snowden:

    https://www.change.org/petitions/ice...edward-snowden

    An email for your friends:
    It looks like I'm unsubscribing from Change.org mailings, right after blocking MoveOn.org (spamming to the Nth degree).

    Are there any good liberal, online petition e-mailing lists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    Many Americans do take issue with their government spying on them with, Snowden a United States citizen evidencing his displeasure by exposing the depth and breadth of surveillance of United States citizens by the NSA.
    And what are you basing this in bold on, besides feelings?
    "Rarely do we find men who willingly engage in hard solid thinking. There is an almost universal quest for easy answers and half-baked solutions. Nothing pains some people more than having to think.'' - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laufey View Post
    Ehhhmmm he was letting the public know something which was being kept away from them.

    How the hell is that betrayal?

    The US government is betraying it's people and it's important to speak out about it.

    It's sad that the nation which the whole world looked up to in the past has sunk so low.
    How have I been betrayed by my government? Please tell me.

    I don't give a shit if they track who I'm calling. I'm not doing anything illegal.

    Please tell me how my government has betrayed me.

    And one word of advice to you: tell your politicians that if you accept Snowden, the US government will try to step on Iceland like a cockroach to get him here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    It looks like I'm unsubscribing from Change.org mailings, right after blocking MoveOn.org (spamming to the Nth degree).

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    And what are you basing this in bold on, besides feelings?

    Exactly the same data that you failed to provide when stating that Americans don't have any issues with what was uncovered (by Snowden)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    How have I been betrayed by my government? Please tell me.

    I don't give a shit if they track who I'm calling. I'm not doing anything illegal.

    Please tell me how my government has betrayed me.

    And one word of advice to you: tell your politicians that if you accept Snowden, the US government will try o step on Iceland like a cockroach to get him here.
    You've just been telling us that Americans have no issues with what Snowden has exposed thus, why would the US Government want
    " to step on Iceland like a cockroach to get him here"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    You've just been telling us that Americans have no issues with what Snowden has exposed thus, why would the US Government want
    " to step on Iceland like a cockroach to get him here"?
    Are you friggin' serious?

    I've never worked for the NSA, but I'm sure they have safeguards in place to prevent these kinds of leaks. What do you think would happen to our intelligence agencies if they don't go after people that leak information?

    The responses...my goodness. I'm trying to think of good things about the gay community, but people are making it hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    Exactly the same data that you failed to provide when stating that Americans don't have any issues with what was uncovered (by Snowden)
    You're making claims about the heroism of this guy and I'm saying back it up. I, as an American, don't have to cite shit to say how Americans feel because I am an American. The onus is on you, buddy.

    You guys keep saying that these criminals (Assange, Manning and Snowden) are doing us favors. We didn't ask for any favors, dammit. So damn condescending.
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    @ Lostlover

    I support what Snowden has done. If Great Britain's Parliament can debate this type of intelligence gathering so can our Congress. I hold Congress in lesser regard for "palming the ace."

    I see no need to resort to jingoisms. They do not advance the discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Change.org petition seeking Iceland's accommodation of asylum for Snowden:

    https://www.change.org/petitions/ice...edward-snowden

    An email for your friends:
    Nah, i think Snowden prefer Hong Kong.
    Many more things to do there ..... and Shanghai would be amazing for him when the dust settles down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    Are you friggin' serious?

    I've never worked for the NSA, but I'm sure they have safeguards in place to prevent these kinds of leaks. What do you think would happen to our intelligence agencies if they don't go after people that leak information?

    The responses...my goodness. I'm trying to think of good things about the gay community, but people are making it hard.
    I'm serious when confronting those who say one thing and then contradict themselves in a follow on post.

    Your reply avoided addressing my question. I understand why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    You're making claims about the heroism of this guy and I'm saying back it up. I, as an American, don't have to cite shit to say how Americans feel because I am an American. The onus is on you, buddy.

    You guys keep saying that these criminals (Assange, Manning and Snowden) are doing us favors. We didn't ask for any favors, dammit. So damn condescending.
    You made the original statement that Americans don't have issues with Snowden's actions - I merely reminded you that Snowden is a citizen of the United States and cares that his government is monitoring the activities of its own citizens when they use the telephone or the Internet. I'm sure that there are other United States citizens who feel the same way as Snowden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    You made the original statement that Americans don't have issues with Snowden's actions - I merely reminded you that Snowden is a citizen of the United States and cares that his government is monitoring the activities of its own citizens when they use the telephone or the Internet. I'm sure that there are other United States citizens who feel the same way as Snowden.
    LMAO.

    How do you say Straw Man in Greek?

    315 million people and you're sure there are Americans that agree with Snowden. Ya think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    You're making claims about the heroism of this guy and I'm saying back it up. I, as an American, don't have to cite shit to say how Americans feel because I am an American. The onus is on you, buddy.

    You guys keep saying that these criminals (Assange, Manning and Snowden) are doing us favors. We didn't ask for any favors, dammit. So damn condescending.
    ...and of course, as we know, LL has apparently been anointed to speak for all Americans.

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    I bet LostLover also opposed the leaking of the Pentagon Papers

    Anyway, here is the map on why anybody outside of the US could just DARE to have an opinion on this.



    And LL, apparently a lot of Americans care. Just because you're not one of them, it doesn't mean that they don't exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    LMAO.

    How do you say Straw Man in Greek?

    315 million people and you're sure there are Americans that agree with Snowden. Ya think?
    As others have also noted your easy choice to speak for all the people of the United States is commendable and lamentably far fetched from reality. Keep trying for I am hungry for a little comedy to lighten my mood after a hard day's work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    This guy, different from Manning, sorted that which he released and did so for a reasonable cause of national discourse on the subject of data mining by our government. He revealed nothing that wasn't available years ago but re-ignited the debate that can hopefully result in a national consensus on HOW we go about working through the current information overloaded world.

    Again, he is entirely different than Manning.
    Agree, Manning and this guy are completely different.

    Manning stole classified information, this guy did not.

    I'm still not sure where I stand on what Snowden did. I want the country to be safe -- but at what cost. I think the Obama Administration has gone too far - beyond what they need to do.

    I'm also upset that the Administration keeps lying about things. Mr. Clapper should be charged with perjury because he lied so openly before Congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    ...and of course, as we know, LL has apparently been anointed to speak for all Americans.
    You can't speak for one American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corny View Post
    I bet LostLover also opposed the leaking of the Pentagon Papers

    Anyway, here is the map on why anybody outside of the US could just DARE to have an opinion on this.



    And LL, apparently a lot of Americans care. Just because you're not one of them, it doesn't mean that they don't exist.
    Why doesn't Germany finally releases papers on who and what companies totally supported Hitler and are still in power today.

    We have our problems here in the USA -- but don't appreciate others from outside telling us what to do.

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    Boundless Informant:

    Known as Boundless Informant, the software provides its operator a graphical insight on how many records were collected for a specific “organizational unit” or country, what type of data was collected and what type of collection was used. The program also allows determining trends in data collection for both strategic and tactical decision making, according to the slides.

    One of the slides contains a part of the Informant’s user interface showing a world map with countries color-coded ranging from green to red depending on the amount of records collected there. While Iran, Pakistan and other some other states are predictably “hottest” according to the map, the agency collected almost 3 billion intelligence pieces in the US in March 2013 alone. [e.s.]
    http://rt.com/news/boundless-informant-nsa-prism-423/

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...bal-datamining

    Three billion in the US in 2013 alone? A little more than tracking foreign communications.

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