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    Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    Supporters of the Affordable Care Act are being outspent by 5 to 1,
    as Arizona Governor (wicked witch of the west) Jan Brewer now supports Obamacare.

    24 States are now implementing Obamacare, 20 states don't have plans to expand healthcare access to anyone, the rest of the states have thumbs up their asses.

    This brake down roughly translates into the exact same states that have the most uninsured vs the least uninsured. The 20 states saying no are the poorest states that would benefit most from Obamacare, but their state leaders are opposing implementing expanding healthcare access and leaving their citizens to die.

    Its no surpise those death panels the republicans kept fear-mongering about was merely a projection of their own desire to kill off their own citizens.

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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    A sad reflection on the vested interests of the very few over the very real needs of the many.

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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    Yes. The republicans constantly preach on a platform of fiscal responsibility but they spend tax dollars...other people's money.... like a drunken sailor.

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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    Freedom isn't free.

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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    How many insurance policies and for how long would that US$ 1/2 bn have bought?

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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    How many insurance policies and for how long would that US$ 1/2 bn have bought?
    Good point.

    Not to mention how all that money could have been used repairing infrastructure, building schools and clinics and creating jobs.

    And also Chris Christie is wasting $12 million if New Jersey's tax dollars with a special election so he wouldn't have to share an election with Cory Booker. Coward.

    Republicans waste so much!

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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    How much have the Democrats spent trying to get total control of our health care? It costs money to fight off those who want to control our lives.

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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    ^It costs more money to use private insurance than it does to nationalize it. This is Democrats embracing a Republican alternative. If you don't want money to be wasted, you should've joined the Democrats in support of universal healthcare when they were still selling it.

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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    Quote Originally Posted by mightbe View Post
    ^It costs more money to use private insurance than it does to nationalize it. This is Democrats embracing a Republican alternative. If you don't want money to be wasted, you should've joined the Democrats in support of universal healthcare when they were still selling it.
    everyone supports universal healthcare, even a majority of republicans. the GOP just wanted to do anything they could to stop a black man from achieving anything.
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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    Quote Originally Posted by evanrick View Post
    everyone supports universal healthcare, even a majority of republicans. the GOP just wanted to do anything they could to stop a black man from achieving anything.
    Nonsense. Republicans have fought against socialized medicine since the idea first came up. Remember that Hillary put together an elaborate scheme early in Clintons first term. The Republicans beat it down and won control of Congress the next election. Most Americans do not want universal health care. Tax payers don't want it but the welfare class and immigrants do.
    People who now have good health care do not want to lose it and have to pay for everyone else's at the same time.

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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    If the law is odious, and because it is set up for private insurance to be pushed to the max and fail it most certainly is.... then it makes no difference who's behind the effort to stop it dead in its tracks.
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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Nonsense. Republicans have fought against socialized medicine since the idea first came up. Remember that Hillary put together an elaborate scheme early in Clintons first term. The Republicans beat it down and won control of Congress the next election. Most Americans do not want universal health care. Tax payers don't want it but the welfare class and immigrants do.
    People who now have good health care do not want to lose it and have to pay for everyone else's at the same time.
    People who now have good health care are a negligibly small percentage of the population of the country. And they pay through their nose for it. And perhaps immigrants want it cause they've been outside of the US in their lives and have a clue as to how much better socialized health care can be.

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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    People who now have good health care are a negligibly small percentage of the population of the country. And they pay through their nose for it.
    More likely the employer pays most of the premium and the employee receives the benefit as a tax-free part of his/her total compensation. However, the percentage of jobs offering employer-sponsored healthcare has been on the decline for the past decade.

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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    Okay, so I watched the video, and it is not an objective presentation at all. It's a bunch of leftist wringing their hands over how Republicans aren't on their knees sucking off the President like the staff at NBC is, so there you go. I know most you think it is objective, so I am not going to argue that.

    The bottom line is that A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS are opposed to this law that was shoved down their throats. A majority of Americans have always opposed it...it has never had a plurality of support. Never.

    And contrary to what has been posted here, most Americans have health insurance. And Opinterph is correct, for most people it is a part of their employment compensation.

    And of those who didn't have health insurance prior to the law being passed, many:
    1. could afford it, but decided that they would rather spend their money elsewhere (alcohol, tobacco, eating-out, entertainment, a bass boat or a snowmobile, etc.)
    2. know that in America, if people are sick, they can go to at least one hospital in their area and be treated...it is the law.
    3. qualified for Medicaid or other programs, but just hadn't signed up

    And guess what, there will be many people under this law who will lose their insurance because of the way the law was written. I am going to lose my current plan because the new law will greatly increase the premiums.

    But this was part of the plan by Democrats, as the law was always just a stop on the way to TOTALLY government-controlled health care. And I know a lot of you want that, but I don't.

    Leftists say that health care is a right. I agree. I have a right to health care unencumbered by government bureaucrats. If I want to spend my money on regular medical exams, or a endoscopy, while other people spend it on cigarettes, pot, alcohol, fixing up their kitchen, etc., why can't I do that?

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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    Any links to back up the claim that "A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS, CAPS LOCK" are opposed to this law?
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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    Quote Originally Posted by kev View Post
    The law was always just a stop on the way to TOTALLY government-controlled health care.
    I'm only going to respond to this part of your post--It in no way is a step in the direction of universal healthcare. Point of fact. It is a minimal expansion of private insurance, and positively affects a very small portion of the population. I'm sure you can agree with that much.

    It negatively affects a minority of people (not an insignificant one, though) who will either lose their current plan or have to downsize it. Little of that is a direct consequence--most of the rising premiums business is an unnecessary (and preemptive) negative reaction to the law. As businesses, they have good reason to avoid risks, but they have equally good reason to take them. At this point, the number of people this law caters to is miniscule. The insurance providers are jacking up premiums for fear of going to Z after just making the progression from A to B.

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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    Nobody has talked about the fact that the majority of the opposition to Obamacare has taken the form of callous republican disregard for the lives of people living in those states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mightbe View Post
    I'm only going to respond to this part of your post--It in no way is a step in the direction of universal healthcare. Point of fact. It is a minimal expansion of private insurance, and positively affects a very small portion of the population. I'm sure you can agree with that much.

    It negatively affects a minority of people (not an insignificant one, though) who will either lose their current plan or have to downsize it. Little of that is a direct consequence--most of the rising premiums business is an unnecessary (and preemptive) negative reaction to the law. As businesses, they have good reason to avoid risks, but they have equally good reason to take them. At this point, the number of people this law caters to is miniscule. The insurance providers are jacking up premiums for fear of going to Z after just making the progression from A to B.
    NO, the central purpose of the law is to give health care to those with preexisting illnesses. Since the expense for those people clearly exceeds any premium they can pay, the insurance companies will lose big money by the gift. The rest of the plan is an attempt to recoup those losses by forcing everyone to buy insurance at excessive premiums. If healthy people paid a premium proportionate to the risk, the premiums would be low and would not generate the additional revenues which the plan needs. So everyone's premiums MUST go up.
    Notice also that the government will subsidize the premiums for low income people. This gives the Democrats the ability for future elections to promise more and more subsidy to more and more people. So low income people will be on government health care, while others will have to pay their own plus premiums and taxes for the others.

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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    Quote Originally Posted by evanrick View Post
    Nobody has talked about the fact that the majority of the opposition to Obamacare has taken the form of callous republican disregard for the lives of people living in those states.
    How about if we stop flooding the country with more Democrats needing charity?

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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Freedom isn't free.
    Did you take this off a bumper sticker or did you "think" of it yourself?

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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    Quote Originally Posted by evanrick View Post
    everyone supports universal healthcare, even a majority of republicans. the GOP just wanted to do anything they could to stop a black man from achieving anything.
    Quoted for truth.

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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    Quoted for truth.
    Nonsense. They also opposed Hillary's plan, remember? Is she black?

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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Nonsense. They also opposed Hillary's plan, remember? Is she black?
    Her soul is.

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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Nonsense. Republicans have fought against socialized medicine since the idea first came up. Remember that Hillary put together an elaborate scheme early in Clintons first term. The Republicans beat it down and won control of Congress the next election. Most Americans do not want universal health care. Tax payers don't want it but the welfare class and immigrants do.
    People who now have good health care do not want to lose it and have to pay for everyone else's at the same time.
    Socialized medicine hasn't been on the table in the US for a long time. What Republicans are fighting right now is Republican medicine.

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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    Quote Originally Posted by kev View Post
    And of those who didn't have health insurance prior to the law being passed, many:
    ....
    2. know that in America, if people are sick, they can go to at least one hospital in their area and be treated...it is the law.
    3. qualified for Medicaid or other programs, but just hadn't signed up
    There's the socialized medicine: freeloaders can make everyone else pay for their care.

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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    NO, the central purpose of the law is to give health care to those with preexisting illnesses. Since the expense for those people clearly exceeds any premium they can pay, the insurance companies will lose big money by the gift. The rest of the plan is an attempt to recoup those losses by forcing everyone to buy insurance at excessive premiums. If healthy people paid a premium proportionate to the risk, the premiums would be low and would not generate the additional revenues which the plan needs. So everyone's premiums MUST go up.
    Notice also that the government will subsidize the premiums for low income people. This gives the Democrats the ability for future elections to promise more and more subsidy to more and more people. So low income people will be on government health care, while others will have to pay their own plus premiums and taxes for the others.
    In other words, your objection is that the government is trying to rectify a situation that the government has caused by shifting wealth from the many to the few through law in a system where corporations are more equal than actual people.

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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    Nonsense. But I was responding to might be #16 who does not seem to understand that dramatically rising premiums are central to the plan.
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    Re: Critics of Health Insurance Reform Spent half a billion attacking law

    Oh my word! So much vocal opposition and so much money spent. It truly is putting their money where their mouths are.


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